How long does store-bought per-mix oil and gas last on the shelf?
Posted by gwhh@reddit | preppers | View on Reddit | 15 comments
I have several 1-gallon cans of per-mix for my 2-cycle chainsaws and such. Without putting any fuel stabilizer in it. How long do you think it will last on the shelf??
More_Dependent742@reddit
I'd love to see some nuance on the "fuel gone bad" issue. Fuel goes bad, everyone agrees. Fine. But what does this mean in practical terms?
Does it suddenly go from 0% chance of ruining the machine to 100% overnight? Also clearly not. I'm sure we're all in agreement there too. There must be a spectrum and points along it.
There is also going to be a point where "bad fuel" will ruin some machines and not others. What is that window? Which machines are which?
So has anyone ever seen any long-term studies on this where they come up with actual numbers for specific cases? I've never seen something along the lines of "90% octane stored at between 16-18 Celsius in 10L plastic cans was found to be ineffective at starting a 2009 Toyota minivan after 4 years, and a lawnmower after 11" - yet this is exactly the data we need.
The US government did a fantastic study in the shelf-life of pharmaceuticals, and I feel we need the same for liquid hydrocarbons.
Federal_Refrigerator@reddit
People always say “fuel goes bad,” but that phrase is almost useless without explaining what “bad” actually means or how fast it happens. It’s not a light-switch event where fuel is fine one day and engine-killing the next; it’s a spectrum of chemical changes that different machines tolerate differently. There are basically two major failure modes:
1.loss of volatility / octane and formation of gums and varnish, and
Those don’t happen on identical timelines. Volatility loss and gum formation start first: you can see effects in a few months depending on conditions. Ethanol blends (E10 etc.) absorb water, oxidize faster, and are a lot more sensitive. Diesel has its own slow-burning issues like microbial sludge and filter-clogging.
The timeline is gradual, not a cliff. For regular gasoline with no ethanol and kept sealed in a cool place, you generally get something like 6–12 months before it’s “seriously degraded.” With ethanol blends, you can start seeing problems in as little as 1–3 months, especially in small carbureted engines. Diesel can go 6–12 months untreated, sometimes a year or two with proper additives and biocide. But again, these are broad windows: storage temperature, oxygen exposure, sunlight, and container material matter a ton.
And that brings up the second important point: not all machines respond the same way. Small carbureted engines (lawnmowers, chainsaws, generators, motorcycles) are by far the most vulnerable. They have tiny jets and bowls that gum up easily, sit unused for long periods, and don’t have sealed fuel systems. They can fail on fuel that a modern car would burn without much complaint. Modern fuel-injected cars and trucks are way more tolerant because their tanks are sealed and their injectors can deal with slight volatility loss better. Diesel engines fail in a different way entirely: usually through clogged filters and microbial deposits rather than straight “won’t start” behavior.
People ask why we don’t have extremely specific controlled data like “90-octane fuel stored at 16–18 °C in a 10L plastic can failed to start a 2009 Toyota after 4 years but a lawnmower after 11.” And the short answer is: the studies do exist, but they’re fragmented and focused on particular niches. Government and industry labs do accelerated stability tests (ASTM methods), the military has reports on how long diesel and jet fuel can be stored, NREL/DOE has done real-world testing on ethanol blends in small engines, etc. But nobody has produced one big consumer-friendly chart crossing every fuel type, temperature, storage method, and machine model.
So the real picture is: fuel degradation is gradual, multi-factor, and highly dependent on both the fuel formulation and the engine design. Cars tolerate stale fuel for a surprisingly long time, small engines don’t, diesel has its own microbial clock, and ethanol blends shorten the safe window dramatically. It’d be great to have a big pharmaceutical-style government shelf-life study for hydrocarbons, but right now all we have are scattered but consistent findings: fuel absolutely degrades, but the speed and consequences vary a lot depending on what it’s stored in and what you’re trying to run it in.
Kementarii@reddit
Well, TIL that premix existed. Not that anywhere within an hour from me sells it.
616c@reddit
Check if Amazon will deliver to your address. They ship TruFuel and Stabil stuff to my area. It's packaged tight enough for shipping/delivery.
Kementarii@reddit
I'm in the bush, in Australia.
Shipping on absolutely ANYTHING is expensive - websites advertise "free shipping", and the moment I enter my postcode, it's "oops, sorry, that'll be $30 for a small box".
Nice idea though, but nevermind. I will continue my little 5 litre fuel tin, and container of oil from the local shop, and "borrowing" the fuel as needed from my husband's stash.
PrisonerV@reddit
It doesn't say on the packaging?
Cradetato@reddit
Agree, In most common cases, you can see the details on the packaging, and no offensive but maybe asking the specialist you purchased is better than posting this question here.
Dangerous-Kick8941@reddit
I mix my own to 32:1. Trufuel gave me nothing but issues.
milkshakeconspiracy@reddit
That seems like a recipe to gunk things up with all that heavier oil running through the system but I don't know for certain.
NecessaryAgent6718@reddit
Stihl motomix has a 5 year unopened and 2 year opened shelf life. Vp is approximately the same .
JRHLowdown3@reddit
The MIX or the prepackaged fuel with mix in the metal cans?
I just started using the metal can pre-mixed fuel a few years ago in our 4 chainsaws. They are all Stihl 290 Farm Boss models and they seem to do better with it versus the mix your own.
Oldest rotation so far has been about 2 years and no issues.
mediocre_remnants@reddit
If it's engineered fuel, it'll last for years. The local shop near me that does chainsaw and mower and other small engine repairs say they use regular ethanol-free gas from the pump during the season but put engineered fuel in the engines over winter and they fire right up in the spring when they need them. I've done this for years and it works great. Doesn't gum up the carb like regular gas will.
GravySeal45@reddit
I use Stihl Motomix and as long as it's air tight it will last a long time. Easily a full calendar year.
smsff2@reddit
Personally, I treat the mix like any other gasoline: about three months. Gasoline can last longer in a hermetically sealed container.
At the store, I see cans covered in a thick layer of dust. There’s no expiration date on them, and they look like they’ve been sitting there for years. I don’t understand how that aligns with gasoline supposedly having only a 3 - 6 month shelf life.
Personally, I burn stale gasoline - mixed with other flammable waste liquids - in my diesel heater. Cleaning the engine takes too much time. I can’t risk it.
616c@reddit
Check the package, or the manufacturer web site.
As an example 50:1 pre-mix from TruFuel is 2 years after opening. 5 year unopened. They use gas that doesn't have ethanol.
https://trufuel50.com/about/