TWA’s worldwide route map as of April 30, 1961
Posted by Twitter_2006@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 36 comments
Posted by Twitter_2006@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 36 comments
ManuelHS@reddit
No Latin America?
SpaceDetective@reddit
Marrakech goes to "Dakar and South America" at least so maybe there was another map too.
ManuelHS@reddit
Pretty sure TWA flew to Mexico as well.
usafmtl@reddit
What a time to fly!
woofyc_89@reddit
What does “jet” mean in this? That it’s a jet from two jet locations? Vs propeller?
Bizkitgto@reddit
This is fascinating. I wonder if you can get it as a poster?
kabekew@reddit
What were they flying on the LAX to Paris route in '61? The early 707's I didn't think had that range.
StephenHunterUK@reddit
They'd have fuelling stops.
https://stock.periscopefilm.com/xd95965-twa-superjet-to-europe-1960-trans-world-airlines-promo-film-boeing-707/
xXCrazyDaneXx@reddit
I like that they've used the English name for most cities in the world, except for... Gothenburg of all places.
pileex@reddit
Which city is in between Kuwait and Bombay on the map? Also written in red. Every version I read sound exotic to me…
SingularWords@reddit
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia.
desthc@reddit
Did they misspell Fukuoka as Fukuota?
nalc@reddit
The fuck New Jersey ever do to TWA to get disrespected like this?
tr00th@reddit
Interesting they hadn’t yet created the now popular New York to Miami route, but instead a Route going into Saint Louis?
kwazi07@reddit
St. Louis was one of TWAs main hubs
DutchBlob@reddit
Not at the time. It was Kansas City with the infamous circular shaped terminals. After the 747’s were introduced and the terminals provided wildly inadequate to deal with 400 passengers flooding the arrivals level at once, TWA demanded that Kansas City would rebuild their terminals. Kansas City, after paying for these circular terminals demanded by TWA, told the airline to get lost. TWA said “fine”, and moved their operations next door to St Louis.
Kanyiko@reddit
This was still the era of the Civil Aeronautics Board-assigned route networks - New York to Miami was firmly Eastern's domain. Delta, meanwhile, was allowed to operate from Atlanta to both New York and Miami, but not New York to Miami direct.
tr00th@reddit
Ah, I didn’t know that. Always learning new things from you guys here. Thanks!
jgmiller24094@reddit
It's interesting to see how the importance of some desitinations has changed in 64 years. Orlando isn't even on the map, Seattle isn't listed as a "jet" destination so it clearly wasn't as important then, same for Cleveland. Yet Albuquerque and Dayton are listed as "jet" and I would have thought back then they were much less populated than now.
aterpinncatwork@reddit
Asia via Europe? Planes of the day couldn’t fly that far safely I guess.
Icy_Huckleberry_8049@reddit
it was fuel and rest stops
Far_Breakfast_5808@reddit
Always wondered why Pan Am was not allowed to have a domestic network (until it was too late) but TWA was, despite both of them being the designated international carriers.
WeeklyHistorian7329@reddit
The government must have had a higher stake in ownership of the company
aye246@reddit
PanAm had domestic flights too, just less of a network. Basically the CAB started carving up the nation’s air service in the late 20s/30s based on air mail routes, and at the time PanAm just focused on int’l service (with flying boats and everything) whereas TWA at the time was flying some domestic air mail. As air service grew around the country before and during the war, airline sort of consolidated into three categories
So basically PanAm didn’t care about or want a domestic network because the nationwide networks already existed and they chose to ignore them for the prestige/expertise/brand value of being THE name for US int’l travel. And during regulation it was totally fine because the CAB controlled and regulated all routes and all airlines had interline agreements and a passenger could somewhat seamlessly (not like today but the airlines cooperated a lot more because they were regulated to do so) go from local to major to flag carrier for intl travel. This obviously changed with deregulation and PanAm’s lack of a domestic route network hurt them badly (among other things). Their acquisition of National Airlines in the early 80s was supposed to help but by then PanAm was not exactly a finely tuned watch and was not cut out for the cut throat 1980s airline competition deregulation heralded.
mdp300@reddit
Also, TWA started out as a domestic carrier (originally called Transcontinental and Western Airlines) and added international routes later, as they grew.
Madroc92@reddit
What I remember reading somewhere is that TWA was a domestic carrier, but it did a lot of transatlantic military charters during WW2 because it had the equipment and it kind of parlayed that into permission to operate internationally after the war.
lucathecontemplator@reddit
I don’t want to think about the economics of a 707 route from Phoenix to Tucson
Moose135A@reddit
It was probably a tag onto another route, say JFK to Phoenix then on to Tucson.
CAVU1331@reddit
This could’ve been the start of the Boeing 720 flying
Cardinal-guy-2023@reddit
Love this aviation nostalgia. Thx OP.
tenthousandlakes@reddit
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aye246@reddit
Check out/start posting on Classic airline things
Twitter_2006@reddit (OP)
You're welcome.
Mruniversee@reddit
On the map below I first thought that white was land and blue was water It made me spasm for a second
unclefire@reddit
I flew a few of those routes when I was a kid. Up until even the 70's there were some routes from US to Europe that had to stop in Gander, Cork or Shannon. I think the 747's could make it to Rome etc. from NYC though.
Silicon_Knight@reddit
No Canada also? I guess until 98? Did they partner with CP air or whatnot?