I’ve put 70k brutal miles on an X Plaid without a single issue. Most reliable car I’ve ever had. There is a reason dealers don’t recommend EV cars - their service depts would go broke (which really hurts given their 40% margins vs very little on car sales).
The suspension and half-shafts on the Model X are a known problem that's plagued the cars since day 1. Those components are identical to the Model S, but the extra weight and height of the Model X wasn't accounted for in the design and Tesla isn't known for their exhaustive development process.
Do you know that there are Tesla owners that aren’t cultist?
And many of this issues are in the older Tesla which most likely hate Elon more than anyone else.
lol. I don’t like Elon, drive my WRX for the past 10 years and still do on the weekend. But no car in the market is comparable to Model Y. I bought the car due to budget and practical reason.
If you bought your Tesla new, then you voted with your wallet, that's this dude's point.
No bumper sticker or complaining about elon online can detract from you giving him your direct financial support by purchasing a new Tesla.
I bought a Tesla because it met my needs and offered the best value, not because I support Elon Musk. When I purchase something, I am choosing a product, not endorsing the beliefs or actions of the people behind it. If two options are equal, I will pick the more ethical one, but buying a product does not mean I align with a company’s ideology.
If someone insists that “buying equals supporting,” that standard should apply to their own purchases as well, since nearly every product involves people with differing views. A transaction reflects intent, not moral endorsement.
It is fine to take an absolutist stance, but it should be applied consistently, not selectively to judge others.
I have a laundry list of businesses I don't support even if they make the ideal product I need, I stand on my own principles.
I don't think you or anyone who buys a tesla is a bad person, or even that you align with musk's morals. I'm saying you financially support him, and that's not up to personal interpretation of your intent. You can denounce him, his product, and his company; they still got your money.
I personally don’t believe that buying a product makes me morally responsible for the actions or financial gains of the people behind it. If that were the case, then every taxpayer would also be morally accountable for government decisions, such as funding wars abroad and the resulting destruction and gcide.
His wealth does not depend on my individual purchase. That’s my moral stance. Others are free to disagree, but judging people with prejudice or resorting to harassment or vandalism because of their beliefs or purchasing decisions is unacceptable and, frankly, despicable.
>Well, congratulations! I might be the first person you’ve a conversation with.
The irony is this entire conversation reads like talking to a religious apologist.
Yours is a rationalization a lot of people make. I disagree though, taxes are mandatory, going out and buying a product is not. You chose this. And their financial gains are the direct effect of your purchase, not claiming responsibility for that is delusional.
You're going to make whatever justification you need to and that's fine, but the only real driver in the world we live in is money. Of course you aren't the sole reason musk is rich, that's ridiculous, but paying money is the primary way to support any cause.
I don't want anyone to vandalize your car, and truthfully I'm not judging you; but you're kidding yourself if you think you're any different or "better" than any other tesla buyer. You want to not be associated or "harassed" in the future, don't buy a car from the company run by the sociopath, even if standing on principle requires you buy an inferior product. Simple as that.
Hope you have a good evening.
It’s not justification or rationale. It’s moral standard that I apply to ALL of my spending. Im consistent. You’re not.
You are the hypocrite, If you held that standard consistently, you’d avoid taxes, banks, utilities, food supply chains, basically modern life.
Even this very platform we’re talking on is tied to morally questionable practices. Do you want me to list them? Would you stop using it entirely? Probably not, because like everyone else, you make trade-offs.
We clearly disagree. That’s fine. Have a good evening.
I personally don’t believe that buying a product makes me morally responsible for the actions or financial gains of the people behind it. If that were the case, then every taxpayer would also be morally accountable for government decisions, such as funding wars abroad and the resulting destruction and gcide.
His wealth does not depend on my individual purchase. That’s my moral stance. Others are free to disagree, but judging people with prejudice or resorting to harassment or vandalism because of their beliefs or purchasing decisions is unacceptable and, frankly, despicable.
Last I heard of that, it was after the Chinese regulators forced Tesla to recall the Model S and X. Events of 2020-21 allowed that to fall off the radar, Model S&X sales have dwindled to almost nothing and I haven't heard of any other country forcing a recall since.
China imposing stricter regulations and consumer protections and cleaning up their environment, USA gimping regulations and pollution controls. The world really is flipping.
This reminds me of how during the '90s, some minivans had transmission issues because they used units originally intended for lighter cars, but couldn't cope with the extra weight of a minivan platform. An infamous example is the Ford Windstar with the AX4S transmission, which was originally designed for the Taurus.
Here in germany usually the more expensive cars are better because they get taken to the dealers more often. Just because the car rarely fails TÜV inspection doesnt mean its reliable.
True, but the opposite definitely holds, if you already see this many issues in the inspections on such a young car ita going to be an issue for reliability as well.
Well I’m reminded of the story of BMW’s president going to Land Rover’s development center in England and literally ripped apart a prototype P38 Range Rover in front of the engineers. And then he went “we need a new model”, thus the L322 began its development early.
The same thing must’ve happened at mini and rolls Royce, the two British brands still owned by BMW
Having worked on many a P38, I can confirm that car is made so terribly, you can break parts without trying very hard. I broke the rear seat center armrest cup holders and the center console ashtray in one repair.
On a Mercedes from that same timeframe, you can put hundreds of pounds of compressive weight on the handbrake handle and it wouldn’t even deform. You can slam the doors shut with the force of multiple people and the doors will still open
These tüv reports also reflect the average ownership demographic. Minis have pretty high residual value here, are mainly bought by the upper middle and upper class as second or third cars and see more maintenance compared to other cars in that segment.
This effect is also very noticeable when comparing the Audi A1, Polo, Seat Ibiza and Skoda Fabia. Mechanically they are all the same car but usually show up in vastly different positions in these tüv rankings.
Very misleading. The TÜV Report doesn’t say anything about reliability. TÜV only does federally mandated safety inspection. While TÜV is a private company, politicians in Germany are intensively lobbied by TÜV to mandate an ever increasing list of meaningless requirements to maximize the income for inspection companies with 0 evidence of improved safety.
These inspection have very little to do with reliability.
I just had TÜV with my 2022 Model 3 Performance since I‘m selling it (or by now: sold it) and passed with no issues. They just noted to keep an eye on the brakes since they are barely being used. The issue with Tesla in particular is that they don‘t have a annual service interval or such which means it won‘t see the dealer unless you feel like it. For comparison: a german EV still wants you to visit the dealer every 1 or 2 years.
Still, rationally speaking Model 3 was a great car that other than wipers and filters didn‘t require anything to be taken care of.
To be fair, this list represents more how their owner treat their cars. Usually, Tesla drivers are the most non-car people and expect their Tesla to run maintenance free like some kind of MacBook or so. Lots of Tesla drivers are even completely new to owning a car.
Unless it is a lemon 🍋. But I generally won’t trust VW after all the crap they’ve done in the past with the emissions and stuff. Tesla didn’t knew how to build cars well but they have gotten much better nowadays.
I came here wondering if they were just nitpicking all the little minor software issues that don't matter, or all the software glitches that _do_ matter, or FSD not being anything of the sort of blatantly false advertising, but this sounds kind of like parts just falling off the bottom of the car. Whoops.
The TÜV inspection doesn’t care about overall functions of the car, but very specific safety aspects (structural integrity, corrosion, lighting etc.). What you’re thinking of is the likes of JDPower.
Seem like a cap research. VW /Mercedes and Audi are first while I have known tons of people that their cars had problems. While there are many with teslas whith half a million miles without any issue .
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