Kalar was a fantastic character and I think the series suffers for her death
Posted by Ir0n_Panda@reddit | TNG | View on Reddit | 53 comments
I know it brings about the whole worf/alexander dynamic, but it feels like it had legs to be a much more fulfilling romance for Worf than his further prospects, as well as a great, more humanized voice into the inner-workings of the empire.
Thoughts?
DazzlerAoA@reddit
Yep they killed her off to give Worf development, as Gail Simone would say they fridged her
DarwinGoneWild@reddit
I was racking my brain trying to figure out how you were even talking about until I realized you meant K’Ehleyr. 😂
furrykef@reddit
To be fair, the way they pronounce it in the show isn't too close to how K'Ehleyr should be pronounced.
factoid_@reddit
No but then again neither is Q’o’nos
NervousCobbler@reddit
Wow I have never seen the Klingon homeworld written down and always thought it was “Kronos”!
DenRay4@reddit
Ir0n_Panda@reddit (OP)
Hahaha my apologies, I don't frequent the TNG wiki 😅
Living-Dimension-859@reddit
I adore K'Ehleyr! I was so sad when they killer her. I loved her fire and her wit. I do like Jadzia and Worf but I liked K'Ehleyr and Worf even more...I would have loved to see more of her in the show...she was such a compelling actress!
Ir0n_Panda@reddit (OP)
Yeah Jadzia had enough going for her. She's one of my favourite characters in the series, but that pairing between her and Worf felt like unnecessary fan service to me
Living-Dimension-859@reddit
In some ways I feel like they really did complement each other...just not as much as K'Ehleyr and Worf did. I think that K'Ehleyr and Jadzia would have been great friends! I also love Jadzia (and Kira, Beverly, and I really like Troi but she never had the "fire" of the others...)
Silly-Elderberry-411@reddit
It wasn't dax but jadzia who decided to absolutely not even send an rsvp to Deanna hoping to decline. Had kehleyr been alive not even an rsvp
Living-Dimension-859@reddit
Tbh I don't agree with you...but that is okay. Jadiza was not insecure, at all. I think that she and K'Ehleyr would have gotten along quite well...tho if K'Ehleyr were still alive I think that she and Worf would have been married and so Jadiza would have only ever been friends with Worf and so there would have been no conflict from the beginning.
Both were absolute firestorms who were intelligent, outspoken, and cleaver. Worf had a type :).
Silly-Elderberry-411@reddit
She was only insecure to insult martoks wife. As a starfleet I liked jadzia a lot, as a person she was very flawed and not immune to jealousy
Living-Dimension-859@reddit
I don't think that she insulted Martok's wife out of any sense of jealousy...she did it bc she did not give a fuck and Martock's wife was giving her a hard time. It think that we read that whole episode very differently. I get her as confidently standing up to Martock's wife pretty much the whole time and I get the sense that you read something different into it. We may have to agree to disagree on this...but I also love Jadzia and so at least we agree on that point.
I also agree that she was def. flawed like anyone else...part of why the writing for the show was so well done. Perfect people are impossible to connect to. They all had their flaws and that is part of what made each character great.
Silly-Elderberry-411@reddit
You can be jealous of having the power to dictate terms. Jadzia felt as owning the memories and experiences of Kerzon she would be trusted and respected but martoks wife only saw a non klingon in her to whom she could condescend to
Living-Dimension-859@reddit
I see your point but I'm not sure if I would call what Jadzia was feeling "jealousy" so much as "pride". Jealousy is petty and I didn't get that read. Instead, she has a lot of pride and was offended that Martock's wife did not respect her past accomplishments...including the ones she did not as Jaszia but as Kerzon and other Daxs. To me it was an excess of pride - almost arrogance...but I wouldn't call it jealousy. It is a subtle difference but it is a difference and it's how I read their interaction.
Ir0n_Panda@reddit (OP)
A fellow woman appreciator I see 😂 cheers!
Living-Dimension-859@reddit
Indeed...cheers to you, as well :) 😄
Irishwol@reddit
They totally fridged her. It made for an excellent plot moment when the other Klingons give way to let Worf fight Duras(?) but that's it. I think they could have got more from her alive. She was gloriously cranky.
RedSunCinema@reddit
I agree. It was a shit thing to kill her off. They did it for shock value, much like they did with Dax in DS9. Kalar was a very popular character and they could have done a lot with her, but like most of the female characters in the series, she was shortchanged.
Schickie@reddit
I agree, but (and I may be overthinking it) it provided the opportunity to give Worf more emotional and plot friendly backstory beyond just "my father's disgrace, blah blah", and justification for the Alexander storyline moving forward.
I would have LOVED for her to have lived though. The though of a "Star Trek - Married With Children" edition is the stuff which dreams are made.
Silly-Elderberry-411@reddit
Keylehr was killed to demonstrate the house of duras was very adamant keeping the house of Mogh down
RedSunCinema@reddit
I look at it as a missed opportunity for Alexander to be raised by Klingons in the federation versus Word being raised by two humans. We would have wound up with a much better ending for Kalar and Alexander than the shit death she received and Alexander being who he was as an adult until he and Worf joined a Klingon house.
factoid_@reddit
Well Dax getting killed off was more about the actor wanting out of her contract. The way they did it perhaps was for shock value, but they had to do something
And even if I wasn’t a huge fan of Ezri she was at least a well written character with some memorable moments
RedSunCinema@reddit
Incorrect. She didn't want out of her contract. She was marginalized as a main character due to being sexually harassed by Rick Berman and when she asked for better writing or to be allowed the opportunity instead to do outside work, she was denied and her character was killed off in retaliation.
Ir0n_Panda@reddit (OP)
Rick Berman is such a little bitch man
Fa_Cough69@reddit
Would have like her to hang around a while longer. Her and also Dr Selar.
Selar... K'Ehleyr... Hmmmm
_Nacktmull_@reddit
In a parallel universe, K'Ehleyr wins the fight and kills Duras. She then keeps showing up in most Klingon centered epidodes until the end of the series. T_T
watanabe0@reddit
RDM has one tactic that he'll just keep hitting over and over.
DustBunnie702@reddit
As a half Klingon, K’eylehr was still much better at being a Klingon than Worf. He would pretend to be all menacing, but having been raised by humans, he always seemed too polite to be a warrior.
starkraver@reddit
I hated that they killed her too, but it wasn’t in the DNA of that show to think in terms of of long arch’s for guest stars.
DustBunnie702@reddit
Except with Chief O’Brien. They even gave him a wife and child.
Ir0n_Panda@reddit (OP)
That's fair.. even by season 4 it wasn't much of a consideration?
TomBirkenstock@reddit
You could still have Alexander stay with Word for periods of time, so it wouldn't change much if she lived. She was a great character who left a big impression with just a couple of appearances.
Malnurtured_Snay@reddit
"Why is Alexander so weird?"
"Well his father was raised by humans, but his own upbringing was left to Microsoft."
norathar@reddit
We let him be raised by Word...and Badgey.
Malnurtured_Snay@reddit
In that case he came out remarkably well!
TomBirkenstock@reddit
Autocorrect!!!!!
Malnurtured_Snay@reddit
Autocorrect is in league with Word.
Kiki1701@reddit
🤣🤣
SentryCake@reddit
I was just thinking this tonight. Still mad about this one.
She was independent, fiercely intelligent, and even though Worf was cancelled by the other Klingons, she absolutely insisted her son know his father.
j10359@reddit
I think it looks worse in comparison to the handling of the Worf/ Alexander relationship that we ultimately received. Alexander as 80s sitcom kid was just weak, imo. I'm not a big fan of where they wrapped it up in DS9, but it was better executed at least.
CHawk17@reddit
I fail to see how the death of a minor recurring character with 3 total episodes has that kind of impact on a series
GBman84@reddit
Great character.
MorningSquare5882@reddit
Omg yes, she was a really interesting character and one of the best acted too. I’d have loved to see more of her.
Hypnotician@reddit
I'm sorry for Jon Steuer, who played Alexander once, then got kicked to one side for Brian Bonsall.
Looking at Steuer's Wiki, things didn't quite go right for him afterwards. He ended his own life, January 1, 2018.
I strongly feel that more than just the series may have suffered for that decision, not to mention the decision to ace K'Ehleyr.
Ir0n_Panda@reddit (OP)
Wow that's tragic, I was blissfully unaware
Hypnotician@reddit
I run The Daily Klingon on tumblr. When an actor who portrayed a Klingon passes, I post the obit there.
Klingon fans do much howling on such days.
Ir0n_Panda@reddit (OP)
Your cause is most honourable. Qapla'
berthannity@reddit
Killed the wrong Klingon. I mean, Alexander was standing right there.
Malnurtured_Snay@reddit
Who is Kalar?
I believe you mean K'Ehleyr.
TheRollingPeepstones@reddit
Lol, I thought they meant that alien with a Cossack hat and bad teeth that attacked Captain Pike with a mace on Rigel VII.
Ir0n_Panda@reddit (OP)
Wel excuuuuuuuuuuuuse me... Excuse me