Is hat etiquette a thing anymore?

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jetjebrooks@reddit

i think you are ridiculous for caring about a hat. genuinely what difference does it make? i can understand maybe having a go at sunglasses due to their impact on conversations at the table, but a hat? plus i know guys who self conscious about their receding hairlines and prefer to wear hats most of the time. i wouldn't dream of asking them to take it off!

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Pretty_Boat_8646@reddit

Honestly, can't believe this is still a thing that people take issue with, a hat is literally a fashion accessory for men now, even baseball caps. I'm so sick of the argument of "it's not hard to take it off. Just take it off". It doesn't hurt anything. It's a clothing item on one's head. I think it's more rude to take offense to somebody wearing a hat in a restaurant or in a building than it is to wear one.

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Della_A@reddit

Agreed about sunglasses. I hate these arbitrary etiquette rules, but anyone wearing sunglasses indoors is an a$$hole, unless they have a medical condition or something.

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FatBloke4@reddit

I view hats as items to be worn outdoors - you don't need to wear a hat indoors. I wouldn't expect people to wear raincoats and gloves or use an umbrella indoors either.

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spik0rwill@reddit

What about shoes? They don't need to be worn indoors, but people do. Is it rude not to take them off? In my house it is.

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Della_A@reddit

As an Eastern European, yes, it's very rude not to take your shoes off indoors. It's for a practical reason. Do you want to be tracking dirt all over yours or someone else's home? Also, doesn't anyone wear slippers in their own home anymore?

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FatBloke4@reddit

My wife is from eastern Europe, so we have a no shoes indoors policy too.

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Della_A@reddit

I know it's an old post, but I have to say: have you considered that these people might not know about the rule about hats? It's a completely arbitrary rule, it has no practical point.

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wiganlad123@reddit

Get away with a flat cap but baseball cap is abit of a no no

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timmyp210@reddit

It may be an old fashioned rule, but when you start to let standards slip then it's all downhill. Next it will be okay to wear 'Jesus' sandals / shorts/ vests !!

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Walesish@reddit

Yes I’d say that’s rude, who on earth goes for a meal like that wearing baseball caps?

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turtlehorse500@reddit

Americans.

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Clayton9523@reddit

Don’t lump us all together matey boy

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VernonPresident@reddit

Yeah, I wouldn't lump Amercians on chavs either ;) I have a wicked sense of humour, but I'm not evil.

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Clayton9523@reddit

Depending on the type of American it could be really entertaining though 😂

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LeadingCoast7267@reddit

Chavs

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Hypselospinus@reddit

I always wear a baseball cap. I have shit hair and, while not receeding, I have a high forehead. Not wearing a hat looks bad. And the other hats have been appropriated by neckbeards and hipsters--you can't wear a fedora or a trillby without looking like an utter chode. So I wear a baseball cap--- a dinosaur one.

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StraightMeat7958@reddit

Really? ALL hats have been appropriated by neckbeards and hipsters?? You have empirical proof??

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verisakeet62@reddit

Breton fisherman's cap is an ideal compromise!

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SwingChariotsHighly@reddit

Why not just shave it off then? Better to do that than live a lie.

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mebutnew@reddit

What makes it rude though? Doesn't the whole 'taking your hat off in doors' relate to religious hocus pocus? This is one of those times I think it's worth considering what actually makes something inappropriate. If the only response is 'i dunno, because tradition?' then it probably doesn't matter one iota.

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Walesish@reddit

A number of reasons. For one, if you’re dining at a good quality restaurant in the evening, people usually dress smart and want to be surrounded by others who have also made an effort. It’s an unconscious bias but true. Basketball caps look like the person couldn’t be bothered to make an effort. It’s disrespectful to the restaurant staff also.

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spik0rwill@reddit

What if they dressed up all nice, suit, tux - the works, but had a bowler or a top hat on?

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Walesish@reddit

If you are a type of person that wears a bowler hat, you’d know that it’s correct to remove your hat when dining.

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spik0rwill@reddit

Might I ask how old you are? No insults intended, I'm just curious if this point of view is a generational thing or not.

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CombinationMore4630@reddit

Take it easy gramps

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Global-Mix-1786@reddit

It's rude to wear a hat indoors. It's a great way of spotting the ill educated and lower classes.

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keepthebear@reddit

I know that it's meant to be rude, but I don't know why. It's a rule made up hundreds of years ago, but nobody is hurt by it, so I don't understand why we follow this still. Don't fart at the table, I understand that, the smell might ruin a meal and it's distracting. But hats? I don't really care.

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Btd030914@reddit

I think it’s probably a psychological thing. Years ago, were worn outdoors, so if you sat there wearing a hat indoors it gave the impression that you weren’t going to be staying long, which could be perceived as rude. My dad used to do his nut in when I sat on the sofa wearing my coat. I now understand why.

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mebutnew@reddit

>Three blokes walk in. They keep their baseball caps on for the duration of their meal. I remarked to my wife that I found this extremely rude. She wasn’t fussed either way. This is like a master class in 'nonsense British manners'. It makes no difference to anyone whether these gentlemen wear hats, not one bit. Yet you perceived it as _extremely_ rude even though you yourself admit that it has no impact on your meal. Sounds like you're unhappy that you overpaid for a dinner based on a layer of pomp and some of the other guests didn't cosplay hard enough for you.

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CrackersMcCheese@reddit (OP)

I never paid for the dinner, so that aspect isn’t a factor. I’m also not into pomp, just manners I guess. So with that in mind, yes, I agree with you *absolutely* about nonsense British manners. Somethings that I care not a jot about (elbows on tables) will be an issue for others. I’d never lick a knife at the table, I think that’s horrendous manners, but others don’t care. I think I just see a general downward spiral of politeness and manners in the world. And it links in with the state of the UK and the world. Meh. I had a nice evening so ‘who cares’ should be the attitude perhaps.

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Walesish@reddit

Absolutely, manners have eroded so much recently.

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spik0rwill@reddit

Getting offended by people wearing hats indoors doesn't sound like a manners thing to me. I'm the same age as you and was always told not to wear hats at the dinner table when I was a lad. Things change.. Now it's not really seen as rude by the general population, hell even my parents don't care anymore.

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Ok_Parking7650@reddit

You’re absolutely right: Hats off indoors. Baseball caps in the bin.

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mebutnew@reddit

And anyone wearing a t-shirt as outerwear should be hanged at the stake! 🧐

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HintOfMalice@reddit

Traditionally, yes, it's rude to wear a hat indoors and at mealtimes. But like... why? What is the reason for wearing a hat indoors being rude, other than because society decided it was hundreds of years ago? If the staff didn't object to them wearing a hat inside, then I'm not really seeing who is wronged in this situation.

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Bright-Assumption658@reddit

A great question I’ve never known why to be honest… I know that I wear a cap indoors in busy places because I feel more comfortable or ‘sheltered’ in them with my cap on I know one of my friends wears a cap 100% of the time because he started to lose his hair very young and the cap is now a part of his ‘look’ or ‘style’ and gives him confidence. Just a few examples but I’m sure there are more. Completely understand that and respect that some people might see it as rude and some people only wear it as a pure fashion statement

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Mossley@reddit

Originally I expect it was treated like any other outerwear. You take your coat off because you’re staying a while, you don’t need it indoors, you don’t drip water on the table etc. Same with a hat.

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Ethicsgradien7@reddit

No hats allowed in Miller and Carter steakhouse.

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mh1191@reddit

Not even a swimming cap?

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NobleRotter@reddit

It wouldn't particularly bother me, but I absolutely would assume they are bell ends.

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throwaway8283726@reddit

Sounds very presumptuous. They could be conscious about balding, they could be on chemo, or they could just have a cold head. Just because someone’s breaking social norms doesn’t mean they’re doing it to be intentionally cool and different.

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Hypselospinus@reddit

>They could be conscious about balding, This is my main reason for always wearing a hat. Ironically, I'm not balding--I've had the same hairline for over 20 years. But my family has high hairlines and high foreheads so it looks like I'm balding. Plus, I typically can't be arsed to faff around styling my hair now I'm in the 30s the way I did when I was younger. So I just pop a hat on.

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chunkypurplepizza@reddit

I guess it’s a little rude but.. hat hair 🤷🏻‍♀️

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antman700@reddit

I can’t speak for those 3 blokes, but personally I wear a baseball cap when I go out. The reason being is I’m very sensitive about my balding hair line. I’m very sorry if it offends people, but my personal comfort is more important than some random strangers annoyance of me wearing a simple item of clothing, which doesn’t affect their life in the slightest.

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FinalLifeguard8353@reddit

Sunglasses etiquette is the modern day hat etiquette - I hate talking to someone with sunglasses because I can't see them- personally if you're going to sit and talk with someone it's polite to take your bloody sunglasses off!

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yolo_snail@reddit

What if they're wearing transitions lenses and have just gone inside?

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Trantastic_69@reddit

That's a dick move; they might need them because their eyes are light sensitive, or because they're blind; even if you know they're not needed, honestly, it's so archaic, I have never once heard of this rule, even from my dad who was insistent about the hat thing

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Wide-Ad-7442@reddit

Thanks for understanding this might be the case. Interestingly I have light sensitivity so wear sunglasses and a hat all the time, not being rude but even indoors I struggle with lighting either artificial or real. Sunglasses and hats help and I would feel really awkward if asked to remove as I would have to explain why. Always try to have the right type of hat depending on where I am going but it’s essential for me rather than being rude

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Pendragon1948@reddit

I wouldn't see it as *rude* to anyone in particular, but I would find it very bizarre. I was always taught to remove my hat when I sit down.

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starsandbribes@reddit

I probably would have a cap on in a beer garden type place, or if its sunny on the beachside cafe kinda deal if I need to. Some days my hairs an absolute mess but I make sure to plan ahead and do my hair if im going to be at a sit in restaurant that day.

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the_badgerman@reddit

Pleeeease let them have been wearing them backwards. Or sideways.

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Cold_Table8497@reddit

Impossible to make a judgement. More information is required. Which way were the caps being worn?

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throwaway8283726@reddit

I probably wouldn’t even notice someone wearing a hat. Besides, there’s valid reasons for people to wear hats indoors, like they’re conscious about balding or chemo and stuff like that. Going over and asking them to take it off just sounds like people should mind their own business.

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