If nobody has said, likely to be for stoats or weasels (illegal if for the former), they're called fen traps. Used by the grouse shooting brigade to keep the moors devoid of anything other game birds
Found many of these on the Peak District moors near Windscar Reservoir years ago, and destroyed all of them as we walked past. I figured if it was the national parks folks they shouldâve labelled them to explain what they were trying to do. And now I know itâs grouse hunters Iâll be sure to destroy them all next time too.Â
âAnything devoid of game birdsâ the yorkshire dales have sizeable populations of waders like curlew, golden plover, and lapwing, raptors like merlin and hen harriers and other species like black grouse, ring ouzel, and meadow pipit, and they are there precisely because of work done by gamekeepers
Absolute waffle lad, youâre just saying there are SOME other birds, if you look at what the ecosystem should look like gamekeepers are doing more harm than good, theyâre completely unnecessary
No, itâs a DOC150 trap. Legal for stoats and weasels in the UK. Also mink, grey squirrels and rats. Very specific regulations about how and where to set it up though.
As long as it has talons, claws, teeth or isnât a red grouse, theyâll kill it. And if itâs in season, theyâll kill the grouse too. Driven grouse shooting is the scourge of the countryside, no matter how much the lie about being âcustodians of wildlifeâ.
Grouse shooting is also horrible in terms of environmental destruction. Heather burning for wankers to basically shoot birds in a barrel is not only awful, itâs a fucking travesty how much damage this âsportâ causes. Upper class twattism at its finest
They donât release grouse in large numbers, but grouse populations are still artificially boosted by predator removal (and raptor persecution), âcontrolledâ burning of heather (which delicates reptile populations, feeding stations (which spread disease) and removal of any plant that isnât heather (which destroys biodiversity and leaves room for grouse and grouse alone). Most grouse moors are ecologically dead apart from grouse, and occasionally curlews which the shooting fraternity hails as their âwin for conservationâ
Glad it's not just me thinking that. Had to shut my poor chickens in for months a few years ago, got my tinfoil hat twitching a bit thinking that it's mad that we all (self sufficient types) have to shut in chooks when they're usually out eating slugs and snails just so that the mega chicken farms don't suffer any losses (but still pollute the Wye)
Yeah, it's pretty wild how they continue to release birds with all those risks. The whole driven grouse shooting scene really feels more about profit than conservation at this point.
That doesn't mean (and I know this for a fact) that it isn't used for illegal purposes. I defer to the comment above yours - living in a rural area means you often know the people breaking the law.
I used to work on an estate where the game keeper bragged about shooting " brown crows" which confused me then i found out he meant buzzards and red kites, he didnt keep his job and lost his grace and favour house after the complaint.
I just googled out of curiosity because it looks like a larger version of the "humane mouse trap" we used to have for when the cat brought in a live mouse or when a hamster escaped. You can release the animal without harm. It is called a humane trap in the search results, does it work roughly the same?
No. Humane in this context means very quick death. Based on the requirements for entry into the cage (essentially size) it is designed to make sure nothing leaves alive.
No No No, you have got this all wrong!
These are called "Lanc Traps".
And we're originally used to catch infiltrating Lancashire men, before they could get to close to the native population.
These are the recently introduced humane traps, btw
The ecological mass slaughter committed on the dales with the use of sheep and sports hunters is truly astounding. The famous purple bush like plant that the dales are known for? Yeah thatâs literally the one plant that sheep hate the taste of. Literally anything else that grows is immediately ate by sheep and anything else that lives is shot by sport hunters. The dales should be a nature hot spot of international renown and instead theyâre essentially deserts. Thereâs a reason why the UK has one of the lowest bio diversity rankings on the planet and itâs almost entirely caused by farmers and hobby hunters.
Reading ' The Book of Trespass" at the moment and a chapter covers a lot of this. Fascinating look into our history and how we got to the situation we are in today.Â
If you care about animals and feel physically unwell thinking of all the suffering humans project onto animals then it is in fact hell because I feel every fucking pain for animals and it is hard.
We are the only ones that are capable of feeling empathy though. And we deserve to use that to prevent suffering wherever we can. Or what is the point in feeling empathy?
I believe elephants, chimps, dolphins (and a fair few other animals experience empathy aswell) ...does yours extend to other humans? Bit of a difficult feat stretching empathy as far and wide as you/we would ideally like
As for the statement 'we should use that to prevent suffering wherever we can' my brain agrees.. buuuut.. one read of 'Do you think what you think you think' - Julian Baggiani would probably show the conflict in that line of thought
Being eaten by a stoat is pretty painful for a rabbit. And if that sort of thing bothers you, definitely don't look up parasitoids, enough to make Darwin think twice about the existance of a loving, omniscient creator.
Pain happens contantly and ubiquitously, being distracted by the pain in front of us stops us examining the broader cultural structures we participate in that create worse pain, but beyond our immediate view. We need a rational undertanding alongside empathy, and also an ability to accept that pain is often unavoidable.
Actually a DOC trap as someone else has replied, which is a replacement for the Fenns which lost approval for stoats a few years ago, the cut off point was around the time covid hit. Fenns were the overwhelming industry standard for grouse moors up to that point but the DOC traps (and another called Tully) have replaced them.
It looks to me like it's a haggis trap.
Some haggis have been seen leaving their native Scotland, are becoming an invasive species. As is well known, haggis' only predator is man, and there is a sorry lack of kilted hairy men in Yorkshire.
This is specifically designed to catch clockwise haggis, which helps reduce the chances of accidentally trapping other species: clockwise haggis are well known to be the more cunning of the wild haggis. So far there have been no confirmed sightings of anticlockwise haggis south of the border.
I love how that lot somehow manage to frame it like they are protecting these vulnerable bird species out of the kindness of their own hearts. It's just a means of creating monodiversity to ensure the maximum number of self-same birds to murder next shooting season.
Ban all forms of shooting.
Grouse moors for all their faults are where a hell of a lot of our remaining wading birds still breed successfully, including Curlew which are internationally threatened. Be very careful what you wish for.
I don't like how intensively managed most grouse estates are but I am not convinced there is any realistic better use of the land if you were to remove shooting entirely. All the realistic replacements for it would do more damage to wildlife (massive increase in tourism, commercial forestry monoculture, or higher levels of sheep grazing).
And ban *all* forms of shooting? Enjoy the extinction of species that require invasive species to be culled to protect them. And enjoy having all our woodlands be wrecked by deer overpopulation, whether that's red deer wrecking the Scottish pine forests or Muntjac deer wrecking the shrub layer of broadleaved woodlands which is a major problem for a lot of woodland bird species.
Shooting is what controls the rabbit, pigeon, and deer (particularly deer) populations in the UK. Industrialised gamebird shooting sure, but wanting to ban all forms of shooting, no.Â
deer yes. But foxes, badgers, buzzards, hawks, weasels and stoats all natural predators for rabbits (in areas where they are not wiped out by shooting estates).
Grey squirrels have only one natural predator in the UK - the Pine Marten, and that was only discovered by accident when a team from CPRE and Natural England were monitoring Pine Martens which had been reintroduced to the New Forest and their camera traps caught one with a grey squirrel in its mouth. Pine Martens will also take Red Squirrels, but greys are easier to catch because they're more terrestrial.
What controls the deer population is apex predators like wolves. Canât ever never ever have those though because livestock are more important than anything else.
The deer population is now so massive, and the land so divided by fencing, that reintroducing wolves at their natural density wouldnt even put a dent in deer populations. Not that this is an argument **against** introducing wolves, just against the idea that they would affect the deer populatikn.
Motorways etc too. They have the effect of dividing up the countryside into lots of islands which some species struggle to move between, each island individually too small to sustain a viable population.
Wolves for example would almost certainly end up restricted to the Highlands, and the Scottish central belt would be a barrier preventing them spreading any further.
So what's the over-under on 'accidentally' settings these things off to fuck with those bastards messing up the biodiversity?
Any potential charges there?
Someone pointed out this one, in particular, isn't for Mink, as it's nowhere near the water.
Hence, my biodiversity line; the trap itself has also been identified as a DOC150 - which, in its 'run-through' configuration, is only authorised in the UK for use on rats, stoats and weasels.
Nah, what are they gonna do? If you see a trap you destroy it, them's the country rules. If you walk past a pheasant feeding trough and happen to accidentally knock it over/leave the lid off so it spoils, also unfortunate.
I was a bit confused when I started reading the article. It was like they were trying to "protect" the birds from other animals. Then I realised why.
I used to do outdoor adventure-type classes with a guy up in Yorkshire who used to set off these traps with his walking poles whenever we found one. Make them do some extra work and save some animals in the process.
That trap looks very precarious where it has been set...could roll off and be crushed by the weight of that enourmously heavy bit of wood its attatched to!
That's not what this particular trap does. It has bars that come down an "humanely kill", though I have my doubts about how humane and quick it actually is.
A trapping device so the landed gentry and their rich pals in tweed can continue their untold slaughter and domination of our uplands at the expense of any sort of rich ecology or diverse local economy. And I say this as someone who's family has come from an upland region of the UK for hundreds of years - it wasn't always like this, and hopefully it won't be forever.
Spoken by someone that doesn't actually live in the country. If you did you wouldn't be talking such drivel. 95% of the people involved in shooting, deer stalking, fishing etc are working class folk and since we no longer have wolves, deer need to be culled to avoid habitat damage for other animals. Game birds are obviously fed & bred to be shot, without trapping predators and moving them elsewhere hundreds of people would be out of jobs. We invite the toffs in too shoot and they pay a fortune for it. Pheasants & grouse are never shot prematurely. This is our way of life, We're not asking you to be part of it but I would encourage you to go and actually meet the people involved and discover the process as you clearly have a very twisted view of things.
I live in the country and IMHO you're full of shit. There are plenty of people here, if not a majority, who oppose shooting even if they are too scared of upsetting their loud and obnoxious neighbours to voice that out loud. At least round here most of the people working the shoots and estates travel in from the towns - they aren't rural workers and they aren't local.Â
You and I both now that illegal predator control happens all the time, we see it constantly. We've all seen the raptors being shot from the sky, stumbled across the poisoned carcasses, found snares etc. It's not a "traditional family business" but a criminal enterprise that often uses intimidation against anyone locally who speaks out.Â
Totally agree with you on the Birds of Prey being shot. A local guy did that near us and fellow shooters reported him. Lost his gun license and got a jail sentence as they found more near where he tried to bury it. Badgers being killed and dumped in the road as 'roadkill' makes sense to me. I have a friend who's family farm was shut down due to bovine TB and cost them a fortune, they had to cull all their livestock and obviously can't sell any meat despite all the money dumped into those cattle. Must be a regional thing, we're in Rural Scotland and there aren't any big towns. It's a rural business, multi generational farms and estates and most of the people working there also had their dads working there. I imagine it will be the way you describe in the Cotswolds but it certainly isn't our experience.
I'm on the Scottish border ...
FYI Badger TB vaccinations are a thing, they work and even DEFRA finally recognised that which is why badger culling is no longer legal. Attacking badgers in fact only makes the problem of bovine TB worse - it causes badgers to disperse from the area they are persecuted into neighbouring territories spreading TB to other badger populations and to cattle/dairy herds along the way.
Fishing and deer stalking are a complete different thing to game bird shooting and, if you are such an expert as you claim, would know that. The rearing of game bird shooting is incredibly ecologically destructive - equating that with deer control is an immense false equivalence. I live in the countryside and my family have for probably more generations than you can even imagine. It doesn't mean I should have to agree with the merciless of treatment of wildlife for a limited few to enjoy it. I would prefer a moorland not exclusively at the reserve of shooting, where mixed use could expand employment and ecosystem diversity beyond this singular industry, as well as its potential as a wildlife habitat and carbon sink (something your ilk couldn't care less about with your controlled burns).
I know plenty of people involved including extended family but I still do not agree with it in the slightest and its total dominance of our upland landscapes. If anything, the narrow minded reaction by landowners and gamekeepers that this is the only way of life possible for rural upland Britain only spurs people like me further into fighting against it. Ironically, you should try and talk to locals who don't agree and why, and consider alternative viewpoints, and discover the 'process' of being from rural England but not wanting to participate in yearly mass slaughter of birds, all to be tossed in a stink pit and left to rot.
To trap those pesky Londoners that come up for a hiking holiday either completely under or over prepared. It's your standard trap and release situation.
They can be lured in with some small batch hand ground coffee beans and some oat milk.
Just careful and don't stick your fingers through the mesh. They look innocent with their folded up Skandi hats or scullcaps and oversized glasses, jackets, well, other sized everything really.
But they are known to bite if they don't get their matcha lattes.
See them everywhere on grouse moors found them with lizards in also, might have to make a point of smashing them up but I would only be called a vandal
I very much doubt that you ever saw one with a lizard in it, the plates that trigger them would not get set off by something as light as a lizard, (what would even be the point of something so sensitive that it got set off all time?) Iâm willing to be proven wrong if you post a photo of a lizard in one of these traps, but if not then this comment is a definite candidate for r/thathappened
Itâs for ground predators like Stoat, Weasel and Rat, essential if you want to keep ground-nesting birds, predator control is one of the reasons the Yorkshire Dales still have a sizeable population of Curlew, with some moors having populations greater than that of the entire area of England south of Birmingham.
Mink trap, they sued to be farmed but then a bunch of stupid animal rights idiots used their combined IQ of 60 to set a bunch of them free. The free minks then went on to breed and decimate certain native wildlife. Same sort of people went on promote Open Borders movement.
Yep, just don't like invasive species killing off native animals which can have knock on effects with much wider consequences for the local environment, you should look in to it you know how to use google.
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What's you actual issue here? You like minks in the uk and think it's bad to kill them? Or you think open borders are fine? If it's either of those things you are thick.
I think youâre an angry person that believes everything the right wing press pushes.
Open borders would probably solve a few problems, yeah. Iâm not a liberal so I wonât be mocking your intelligence, Iâll leave that to you.
Oh yeah, open borders would be fine you think? Africa alone can send a million uneducated, jobless men to the UK every year, India the same, Russia the same. Every country could empty their prisons and send every single criminal to the UK. Lets say 5mill a year.. You clearly have a child like outlook on life, politics and economy. Very stupid dangerous person.
You are being exceptionally dramatic with no evidence or proof to substantiate your claims.
I have a few Arab friends, worked with some poles and a good friend who is African, to generally they are kind and hinest, hard working people.
Once you take your racist glasses off you will be amazed at how deluded you sound.
100%. Iâve got some great memories and worked with some really cool people whoâve taught me some stuff that has massively helped me out. Couldnât give a shit that they were foreign.
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As stupid as those animal rights people were, they weren't the cause of mink issues in the UK. Mink had been escaping from farms since the 1920s. Mink were first confirmed breeding in the UK in the 50s, and by the 1960s were found in over half the counties in England and large parts of Scotland and Wales.
Activists didn't release mink until the 1990s when they were already fully established in the wild and wrecking havoc. The vast majority of mink released by activists were either recaptured or killed. It's thought very few contributed to the existing wild population as these mink were a lot tamer and less wild than the original escapees. Mink should never have been brought here in the first place.
Ok, good to know, and yes they should never have been brought here, was a catastrophe waiting to happen. Same think with all 'exotic' animals including non-native ants as pets. Until recently you could argue "well even if they do escape the winter will kill them off". But with climate change going the way it is there could be occasions where non-native ants become massive problem for the local environment. Like literally we are past mid November and today is the 1st day it's been actually cold.
Yeah, if things like raccoons ever became established in the UK it would be a nightmare. Thankfully they're now illegal to keep as pets.
This has actually become a big issue with foxes. Like mink, farmed foxes had been escaping since the 1920s. The ones from farms are a different species from our native foxes but still able to breed with them. Now they're becoming popular pets but so many escape or get dumped in the wild and continue crossbreeding. These farm foxes have longer coats, bigger size, different fur colours and are much tamer than wild ones. Hybridisation has become so common in areas that it's changing the look and behaviour of some fox populations in the UK. In my area a pet silver (black) fox escaped a a decade ago, and now a lot of foxes in the area have become much bigger and darker in colour than normal.
Foxes have massive, and I mean massive, natural size variation so it's unlikely a single fur farm fox would be responsible for a general upward trend of fox size within a region.
Fur foxes are also the same species as the red fox, Vulpes Vulpes they are simply melanistic
I'm not taking a whole region, I'm taking about a few streets in an urban area where this fox was known to be breeding with wild ones. A lot of inbreeding occurs in urban fox populations which solidifies new traits quicker than you'd see in the wider countryside. There are people who have been studying the rise in hybrid foxes in the UK for years. In some areas farm traits, like distinct colours, longer fur and tamer behaviour, are becoming dominant. These areas often correspond with places where there were known fur farms keeping foxes before the 2000 ban.
The foxes on fur farms are American red foxes (Vulpes fulva) that were originally captured in Canada, while the ones in the UK are European red foxes (Vulpes vulpes). [Genetic analysis has shown they are two distinct species](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25212210/).
I knew a farmer who did a stint as a mink farmer in the 70s. He was in the wrong job. He said 'they were cute little things, I used to let them go occasionally'.
Those AR activists weren't thinking. But, mink have been escaping mink farms for 100+ years. They were already well established in the wild before the AR activists came along. So I doubt releasing a few more is the reason for the infestation.
It's for stoats, weasels, rats etc. A mink is unlikely to fit into this trap (because they're purposely set up up to exclude larger mammals), and mink tend to hang out near water sources. Mink traps are usually set in floating tunnels along water channels.
Yes.. exactly that. Minks are ferocious and kill everything they can even if theyâre not gonna eat it. Theyâre also enough of a threat to bigger animals that almost nothing we have would bother to try preying on them
Those traps are likely DOC150 traps, designed for controlling stoats, weasels, and other small invasive species. They must meet specific legal requirements to protect non-target animals.
iâm having a really hard time figuring out if this is a zoomed in picture of a massive structure on a cliff and that âtrapâ is for people to stop and rest at, maybe indefinitely. other shots look like a drone took the picture
Watched [this](https://youtu.be/N_kBoF5RKSg?si=yDYtzQDiD_LTSK9N) video on one being set up and used. Be warned it does include a animal being found in one. I have my doubts about the instant death... the stoats skull doesn't look crushed in this video. It may have been but I wouldn't be suprised if it was alive and trapped for a long time in those bars. Can't seem to find a video showing how much force they come down with but it doesn't look particularly difficult to cock.
I only have a smattering of Tâyorkshire gleaned from watching The last of the summer wine. Tâpub tâwork and Yorkshire T. I have met a few of them when they had escaped across the border and they didnât know that a cob is called a cob. I was disappointed because they had no ferrets in their trousers.
Fun part, pretty much every town and city has a slightly different accent and the 4 different Yorkshire's are easy to spot accent wise.
They absolutely did have ferrets in their trousers they just didn't show you themÂ
This method is barbaric and should never be encouraged. Studies have shown that Londoners get distressed because the trap is more spacious than their ÂŁ1500-a-month 1 room apartment.
This method is barbaric and should never be encouraged. Studies have shown that Londoners get distressed because the trap is more spacious than their ÂŁ1500-a-month 1 room ~~apartment~~ shoebox.
I saw a 'homes under the hammer' where mr Singh, a father of 3 bought 7 of these traps to rent out to northerners to help his daughters go to uni in York.
Aye, two quid'll see thee reyt. Tha's ennow fo't'week's rent, an summat extra fer an Eccles cake, a pint'er 'eavy an a good thresh on the whippets, tha moanin southern bastid.Â
I wish you bloody did gladly leave, I work with at least three of you bleeders..told my gaffa he feeds one of you more will show up, but oh nooo he knew best.
We will stop coming up when you stop making dammed good beer and selling it for less than the price of a house! Until then me, my flip flops and fear of strangers saying good morning in the street are on rout :-)
Oh no! I didn't know the Northern line went that far north! What if you arrive, friendly and with news of the world beyond, seducing our pigeons and using slightly different vowel sounds!
I must make for my panic ~~room~~ pie and seal myself in with gravy!
Those are fen traps, probably being used to illegally persecute mustelids. The dales are in huge part grouse moors and an absolute wildlife desert because of this shit.
Smash them on sight
DOC trap, widely used by gamekeepers on grouse moors for killing stoats and weasels, also approved for rat and grey squirrel. The idea is to reduce predation of grouse to maintain high numbers for the shooting season. This trap looks compliant, they're supposed to have entrance restrictions and not be set in the open, to reduce the risk to non target species. There is also a different trap design called Tully which is similar and will be in a similar cage or tunnel.
Usually this rail trap setup will be over ditches and streams, to trap stoats and weasels which try to cross. You often see them along the bottom of stone walls too, as the animals don't like to cross open ground for very long. Even see them along the top of stone walls sometimes.
At last, someone who actually speaks proper. No bugger in Yorkshire says âThe Yorkshireâ. Only people who do that are southern comedians, or just dickheads.
Itâs a DOC150 trap. Legal for stoats and weasels in the UK. Also mink, grey squirrels and rats. Very specific regulations about how and where to set it up to avoid killing non target species. To be legal, they need to meet certain criteria in terms of the size and height of entry holes as well as the type of enclosure. Any trap that is set must also be checked every 24 hours.
Traps, most likely for predators of game animals. It's your civic duty as a normal, non psychopath/hunter to trigger them/stamp on them/destroy them in any way you can.
Before reading the OP title statement and question, I had to zoom in to the first picture as initially it looked like some house built on a bridge of concrete or something on a mountain side, taken from the other side of the valley, and those brown moss and ferns looked like old dense fir trees, then I realised itâs just a plank of wood with some small metal cages!!! lol đ
Thank you everyone for your help on this it was very interesting, me and the mrs have been debating about this for a while. Neither of us expected it to be rats. Also, thanks to the guy for the link.
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