Off-duty US pilot who tried to crash plane midair will not serve prison time
Posted by feldsparticus@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 154 comments
Posted by feldsparticus@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 154 comments
Starfall9908@reddit
I hope this case addresses mental health issues for pilots in a way that doesn't cause more fear and harm. As someone that has battled mental health for almost all my life it's not easy and knowing you might be punished for struggling would make anyone want to hide their struggle making it worse.
I wish the man the best and hope it's only upwards from here.
Anhedonia10@reddit
Imagine if the FAA found out this guy was going to a psychologist, dealing with his issues in a healthy manner, then holy f**k it would have been life in jail......
cheetuzz@reddit
i’m not following. why life in jail?
john0201@reddit
The FAAs de-facto policy on mental health is to make sure anyone who reports it is a risk of losing their career through suspending your medical certificate, and an onerous and lengthy process to get it back. So many (or most) pilots that have issues just don’t report treatment (best case) or don’t get treated at all (worst case).
Mist_Rising@reddit
They legally can't force it since healthcare is private unless an act of Congress overrides. Which the FAA does not have.
sfan27@reddit
They can require whatever they want. You don’t have a right to fly a plane, if you don’t want to share info they require you’re free not to, you just you cannot fly a plane.
LandscapePenguin@reddit
Perhaps you misunderstood what they were saying. The FAA can require it but they depend on you to provide it. Because they can't access your private medical records directly they have no way of knowing that any such records exist unless you tell them, that's what's meant when they say they use the honor system.
This has nothing to do with whether or not flying a plane is a right, it's more about punishing those who are honest and sticking their head in the sand for those who aren't.
TapPublic7599@reddit
Can’t they have you sign something that would allow them to request the information directly? Honestly not sure if that’s a possibility under the current patchwork system.
LandscapePenguin@reddit
My understanding is that these records aren't typically stored in some central location. If you go to a therapist then they will have your patient records in that office but they wouldn't get uploaded to some central database of all medical records. Even if you go to a chain provider I believe the records would only be available within clinics within that chain.
So, even if the FAA requests you to sign something for them to request your records I believe they'd still depend on you to tell them which doctors they would need to send that request to.
TapPublic7599@reddit
Gotcha, that’s what I suspected. Shocking that there’s no central database system.
john0201@reddit
They can require you to send them, that’s what they do if you report anything.
shukesmabrouks@reddit
Its not just the FAA either, its also a problem in military aviation. I wasn't a pilot, but I was aircrew and I silently dealt with mental health issues the whole time I was flying. I knew several people who sought help with mental health after a tough time like a divorce and were grounded for extended periods of time.
psunavy03@reddit
Having also served in military aviation, the standing joke was that you can never win at medical, only lose or break even.
MoeSzyslakMonobrow@reddit
It's sarcasm, but the FAA does take a dim view on anyone who is anything but the picture of peak mental health, including taking steps to take care of it.
This_Elk_1460@reddit
And what this has resulted in is almost insurely a large portion of pilots hiding their mental problems and refusing to get actual help for them. Keep that in mind next time you fly.
HigherThanOnix@reddit
For an extra dose of fear, medical professions can be like this too.
namtok_muu@reddit
No thank you, I will not.
Ferrarisimo@reddit
Yeah, keep that in mind? So I can do, what? Enter the cockpit if I suspect the pilot isn’t being mindful of his mental health??
FlightSimmer99@reddit
the faa hates anyone who seeks any sort of mental help
Diogenes256@reddit
Don’t bother applying for disability insurance if you’ve sought professional help, either.
Shkkzikxkaj@reddit
Sorry this is an ignorant question, I have only heard how this system works secondhand. Don’t you need documentation from a doctor to apply for disability? How would you get it without seeking professional help? And I heard having a lawyer also makes it easier to get?
Worshipme988@reddit
The FAA has incredibly strict rules about mental health and pilots and disclosing medications and “problems”. The list is so strict that simple medications, or SSRI’s for mental help, *can disqualify you from getting licensed or at minimum ground you and permanent mark on your file.
There are like 60 meds listed that will defer your application or ground you until resolved. For example: diabetic meds, hypertensive meds, pain killers, seizure meds, SSRI, mood stabilizers, ADHD meds, anti-anxiety meds, muscle relaxants, any thing from a dentist office, and obviously sedatives.
Official statement from FAA about mental health. Bold highlights are mine.
The fact is that the initial deferral rate for all mental health diagnoses is around 20%. While the pilot/controller is without certification/clearance until the disqualification is resolved, the vast majority are cleared after an evaluation.
Only about 0.1 to 0.2% of all applicants who disclose any health issue and complete the process ultimately receive a Final Denial for a medical certificate (which means their only path to reconsideration is through the NTSB). And then only after an exhaustive attempt to “get to yes.” However, “getting to yes” can be very costly in time and money for the applicant. The widespread belief is that you are, in effect, penalized for following the disclosure requirements. A system that incentivizes people to remain silent will cause pilots/controllers to avoid seeking help, leading to unacceptable safety risks.”
Su-37_Terminator@reddit
Ah, see fellas? It was such a non-issue that they had to formally address it. Yay!
Shkkzikxkaj@reddit
Aware of this issue… I responded to the parent comment’s tangent on disability insurance.
Diogenes256@reddit
I am referring specifically to psychiatric help.
Valuable-Speaker-312@reddit
Let's say you get diagnosed with bipolar disorder and are properly medicated and never have any issues. The FAA will still pull your ticket because you have been diagnosed with BP. Same type of things with other mental illness - they make it hard to get your medical again.
slinger301@reddit
This_Elk_1460@reddit
The FAA hates pilots with mental health issues. Instead of wanting to help them they just tell them to kick rocks and die.
Tr33T0p@reddit
I wish I could upvote this more than once
Anhedonia10@reddit
I find it wild in an industry where training pilots can cost in the millions, you're only one medical away from being grounded for good.
Tr33T0p@reddit
It's a crazy industry. A flying career is worth so much, yet is so fragile and can end in an instant. I suppose not unlike professional sports risking injury.
wizean@reddit
Imagine if he was caught with mushrooms at home, not murdering people.
Life in Jail again.
gatoAlfa@reddit
This is changing relatively fast mostly because the efforts of a private pilot, Xyla Foxlin, that lost her license for reaching for mental health. Check and support her campaign. https://xylafoxlin.com/pages/pilot-mental-health-campaign-cft-fundraiser
GoopInThisBowlIsVile@reddit
Germanwings Flight 9525 is an example of one of the ways this particular situation can play out. The first officer, Andreas Lubitz, had suicidal tendencies. Lubitz hid that he was getting treatment because he knew he wouldn’t be allowed to fly anymore if he was honest about it. He locked the pilot out of the cockpit and then slammed the plane into a mountain.
This_Elk_1460@reddit
They would have kicked him out of the plane mid-air
BrilliantThought1728@reddit
What? Your comment doesn’t really make sense
Notyouraverageskunk@reddit
Here's one pilots story.
Alyeska23@reddit
Mentor Pilot covered this incident. The pilot was suffering from untreated mental health problems because he was afraid of losing his job. Reporting mental health problems usually leads to your pilots license being revoked, which creates an even worse problem of pilots not seeking out mental health and going untreated. He tried to self medicate with things like alcohol and eventually shrooms, leading to the incident. He really didn't mean to try and hurt anyone and during the incident when he was unsure of "this is real or not" asked a flight attendant to handcuff him to his seat so he can't cause any more harm. Really a sad story that thankfully wasn't tragic.
https://youtu.be/988j2-4CdgM
Dear-Sherbet-728@reddit
He chose to fly while self medicating out of self preservation. That isn’t an excuse and should be punishable with jail time for attempted manslaughter
sofixa11@reddit
Fly as a passenger in a jump seat.
LookoutBel0w@reddit
No, as a crew member. Jumpseaters are crew members. - airline pilot
meninblck9@reddit
Yeah, whatever the backstory, that guy should never have been anywhere near a cockpit in that condition
iceguy349@reddit
Could not agree more.
Being a pilot requires years of flying experience. You have to build thousands of hours of flight time to get enough experience to be in an airline. Imagine a medical diagnosis required you to rip up and permanently surrender your collage diploma due to no fault of your own. It’s functionally equivalent.
That being said, that’s exactly what you sign up for when you go into aviation. Whether you get to be a pilot or not isn’t up to you. When you fly with a dangerous medical condition knowingly and don’t report it, you endanger everyone in the air and on the ground beneath you. Pilots have to be willing to put down their wings when it isn’t safe for them to fly.
Mistakes in aviation don’t just affect one person, they affect hundreds to thousands of people and can be fatal. Self medicating with mushrooms and almost crashing a plane while running from your own mental health crisis is definitely willing and conscious reckless endangerment. I empathize but I can’t excuse that kind of behavior, especially with 83 lives at stake.
I’m glad he’s being given the benefit of the doubt but he deserved the time he spent in jail imo.
BrilliantThought1728@reddit
Everyone is afraid of losing their job. Most people dont let this fear potentially cause a mass casualty event.
Lock him up!
KS_Gaming@reddit
I'm so glad people who think like you are in the minority and most of them are in the older generations.
Salt-Salary-541@reddit
Username does not check out.
Alyeska23@reddit
Most people don't fear losing their job just because they went to their doctor. And whats worse is the law in FAA rule in question makes the situation more dangerous. Pilots would deliberately not get mental health support so they wouldn't have a diagnosis taking away their job, meaning you now have pilots with diagnosed mental health issues flying. This incident actually caused the FAA to make changes so that mental health issues no longer mean a loss of your pilots license.
Bleakwind@reddit
After a brief looked at the facts, Im sympathetic to his case. He clearly had unresolved mental issue. And the faa is so archaic in how to approach mental health the he had no option but to self medicated. He was in a doom loop. I see no malice intend. Just a man trying to get by however he could.
I wish him a speedy recovery and success in other professions
SharksAndFrogs@reddit
Um wtf
ttam23@reddit
He absolutely should serve jail time.
monsterZERO@reddit
He has, and he has paid $60,000 restitution. He is also clearly remorseful.
The article says he is now working part-time as a power washer. His life was essentially ruined by this event and he is now starting over as a 46 year old man. He has had punishment enough.
us1549@reddit
If I attempted to murder almost 80 people, would losing my job and paying the equivalent of a few months salary as restitution really inappropriate punishment for my actions?
monsterZERO@reddit
You don't know any of that, and I would certainly hope that they wouldn't have the book thrown at them if it was a mental health issue.
Ornery_Year_9870@reddit
He already has.
Bookworm10-42@reddit
Unless another plane was involved, he couldn't "...crash a plane mid-air." It would have to crash at ground level.
Ashamed_Warning2751@reddit
Wow you're so smart and brilliant. I bet mommy made extra mac+cheese for you tonight!
leavezukoalone@reddit
Well, you’re just a cunt, aren’t you?
FSFreakman21@reddit
I’m genuinely happy that this guy can be out in the world making a positive difference rather than rotting in jail . In my mind he has more than been punished and had his life destroyed. He lost his flying license and is basically having to start at square one making a living again. Know I will be downvoted but o well.
WorkingOnPPL@reddit
Would you be as sympathetic if his stunt killed everyone on board?
Most people view that Germanwings pilot as a monster based in the outcome in that case.
Could this slap on the wrist sentence lead to more pilots potentially issuing a “cry for help” by shutting off engines in flight?
MavenAloft@reddit
I think the difference between the two cases was intention. You had one that was on shrooms and staying up late and had some psychosis thing happen. Then the other is someone who planned, prepared and executed with full knowledge of what he was doing and what the outcome would be.
Su-37_Terminator@reddit
Well if the difference is aforethought then shit, you could let every drunk driver in the country off the hook. Cuz the guy that turned my aunt into a smear on the sidewalk sure as hell didnt plan that, NOR knew what the outcome could be. And it was only one woman, and not hundreds of people!
CyberaxIzh@reddit
He was not piloting, though. So it's more like a drunk passenger suddenly trying to take control over the car.
Su-37_Terminator@reddit
Well, I've shown my ass. I thought he was piloting. If he never held PiC responsibility then this guy is just a sad case of problems. I was totally wrong in my example.
MavenAloft@reddit
That’s a great example. In many cases without a death, those people don’t go to prison. If their conduct resulted in death, injury, or significant property damage, then they go to prison. I bet if he caused an accident and survived, he would be going to prison. Since he did not, like numerous other DWI/DUI arrests that did not result in death, injury, or property damage, prison is not being used.
mencival@reddit
Idk, I would argue that there are many people who might be on the verge of breakdown but resist in any way to harm others. Taking shrooms while he knew he had a flight the next day/and not call in some kind of emergency sickness was a choice.
SaltyWafflesPD@reddit
He wasn’t a pilot flying in the flight, he was just in the jump seat, IIRC.
mencival@reddit
You’re right, just realized he was in the jump seat. Important detail
KS_Gaming@reddit
I don't judge people solely from the outcome of their actions. Sometimes small things and sudden irrational, emotional actions which tend to happen for a very large amount of population over their lifetimes can lead to disproportionally huge negative outcomes. If that person isn't more likely to cause harm anymore than many of us then I don't want him spending life behind bars.
kaesura@reddit
This guy was having a mental breakdown not implementing a well thought plan to take down the plane
After he first pulled the handle , he asked the pilots whether he should leave the cockpit and then he did . He then asked the flight attendants to handcuff him .
This_Elk_1460@reddit
The man is a victim of an antiquated pilot mental health system. In this case they got lucky that no one got hurt. But if they continue to stigmatize pilots suffering from psychological problems then eventually someone is going to crash a plane because of this.
TacohTuesday@reddit
It wasn't a stunt. It was a mental breakdown.
NaiveRevolution9072@reddit
Hey if he was dead along with everyone then maybe the FAA would actually care to have looked into mental health
goro-n@reddit
Importantly he was stopped and came to his senses. If the Germanwings guy was stopped and restrained, we don't know what his reaction would have been. But from what we know the state of mind was completely different because one pilot was affected by shrooms and the other was not.
dang3rmoos3sux@reddit
Well he would be dead. So not really. Can't punish him any more than that.
TogaPower@reddit
You won’t be downvoted for this take because this is Reddit, where many live in a fantasy world when it comes to dangerous people.
This is the same subreddit that glorifies a man who stole an airliner, took it into the air despite having never flown the jet, and crashed it into the ground (aka “sky king”).
Likewise, this guy attempted to bring down an airliner full of people. But hey, he was on shrooms and went on a wellness tour afterwards so all is good, right?
I wonder if this subreddit would have the same compassion towards him if, instead of trying to kill everyone on the plane, attempted to murder his wife and then felt really sorry about it afterwards and taught people about how bad it is.
This_Elk_1460@reddit
I think he should start a new career as a pilot mental health advocate. He's kind of become the poster child of what's wrong with the industry.
Azurehue22@reddit
No, I agree with you. He’s clearly remorseful. He has been punished enough.
Lauren_DTT@reddit
Deeply remorseful. His vulnerability made all the difference with regard to public sentiment.
Particular_Wear_6960@reddit
Reddit moment
PocketSizedRS@reddit
We've learned in a fairly spectacular way that this man doesn't belong on the flight deck. That doesn't mean he can't live a happy life outside of it
Theloneous_Punk@reddit
White Privilege
goro-n@reddit
I am happy to hear this. Sending this guy to jail would have sent the wrong message, he's already turned his life around somewhat and advocating for better mental health for pilots. Down the line one would hope he can find some work perhaps as an on-the-ground trainer or instructor.
IctrlPlanes@reddit
So the trauma he created for everyone on board means nothing? I imagine there are people on that flight that will never fly again because of his actions and just because they didn't die he shouldn't be in jail?
KS_Gaming@reddit
Justice system is designed to prevent harm to society, not to satisfy your ill cravings for payback.
IctrlPlanes@reddit
The justice system is the exact opposite as you proposed. It punishes after actual or attempted criminal acts, not before. It is not a preventative system, it is a punishment system. Mental health therapy and/or treatment would be for prevention. I have no ill desires. If someone at my safety critical position showed up on drugs and intentionally tried to cause harm to them I think they should be punished. The same applies to this situation.
KS_Gaming@reddit
Lmfao and what do you think those punishments are meant to achieve besides preventing further harm by isolating/'defusing' the criminal so he's no longer a treat to society and preventing others from commiting crimes by making them know that doing so will have consequences?
ThePrussianGrippe@reddit
There’s a subset of people that seem to believe the proper punishment for any crime is life in prison or worse.
This is why we have a justice/legal system and not a vengeance system.
IctrlPlanes@reddit
Let's talk about the second part of your point. What consequences are future pilots having a metal breakdown supposed to take away from this situation? If they try to crash a plane and fail there are no consequences? You said that is what the justice system should prevent others from committing crimes by letting them know what the consequence is. There are no consequences here.
poser765@reddit
“Hmm. You know that last guy got away with it. I think I’ll have a mental break down too!”
You realize how stupid that is, right?
IctrlPlanes@reddit
The person I responded to said judgements are supposed to show what can happen in the future if someone commits the same act. I responded with yeah this shows no consequences if this happens again and you call my response stupid? Look in the mirror. haha
poser765@reddit
You also implied that people will weigh consequences of having a mental break.
chaosattractor@reddit
I feel like you might not actually understand what a mental breakdown is
tesconundrum@reddit
He already didn't seek mental help because he would've had the same exact outcome. People are fragile. They make mistakes. Punishing humans for this sends the exact wrong message. Whether or not justice was found isn't the point here. If you punish him further even LESS pilots will seek help ending up with the exact outcomes we DON'T want, i.e. THIS except people dying.
You really want a pilot who has been shamed and forced into NOT seeking mental help when they DEFINITELY need it flying your plane? Or do you want pilots to be able to get the help they need to BE mentally stable enough to be entrusted with your life and the lives of thousands more ?
IctrlPlanes@reddit
To me the opposite is true. This scenario says it acceptable for safety critical positions to self medicate for mental health issues without consequences. I think we can all agree there is still a long way to go in the aviation industry for how mental health is looked at. On one side everyone should have access to mental health therapy and treatment without fear of job/career consequences. On the flip side it is difficult to accept the risk if someone unstable is in control. The best solution would be to allow workers to self identify and to be allowed to take an extended break without consequences but that costs money.
nkawtgpilot@reddit
Did you even read the article? He faced major consequences. He spent 50 days in prison, lost his career and is working as a “part time pressure washer.” Dude literally lost millions of dollars in career earnings. That doesn’t seem like no consequences to me
IctrlPlanes@reddit
To me the opposite is true. This scenario says it acceptable for safety critical positions to self medicate for mental health issues without consequences. I think we can all agree there is still a long way to go in the aviation industry for how mental health is looked at. On one side everyone should have access to mental health therapy and treatment without fear of job/career consequences. On the flip side it is difficult to accept the risk if someone unstable is in control. The best solution would be to allow workers to self identify and to be allowed to take an extended break without consequences but that costs money.
chaosattractor@reddit
Yes, in fact. Your imagination is not the basis for criminal law.
bananas47@reddit
This guy was sleep deprived from grief as he had just loss a close friend. His friends and family knew he was not sleeping and dealing with the loss well and encouraged him to use mushrooms to cope. pilots have very limited options to mental health professionals without the faa hearing about it. That sucks. but this guy should have been responsible enough to know he wasn't in shape to fly and taken LOA. Being sleep deprived alone, is reason enough to not operate a plane. Plus this guy was commuting in the flight deck jump seat. he could have requested a regular seat in the main cabin or bought one. I feel bad for pilots due to limited mental health resources but I just don't feel very sympathetic for this case.
AggravatingPermit910@reddit
Good. Spent some time in jail already and paid a lot of money. Hopefully this brings some attention to the need for reform in pilot mental health care.
us1549@reddit
It's absolutely bonkers that he is allowed to escape this without any accountability in the criminal justice system
He is no different than a DUI driver that drove his truck into a parade and only didn't hurt anybody because he lost control and crashed it before it could do any damage.
That driver would likely face multiple attempted murder charges and DUI and be facing many years in prison.
What this pilot did is ostensibly egregiously worse.
I get we hold pilots to high regards in society but letting him off the hook like this doesn't deter another pilot from smoking shrooms and riding up front.
And no, losing your medical and never being able to fly again is not punishment. Nobody has a human right to be a pilot
sofixa11@reddit
You know he wasn't flying the plane, right?.
us1549@reddit
Some of the requirements for writing the flight deck jump seat is, you know, not being high on drugs and trying to crash the airplane?
AggravatingPermit910@reddit
You might have reading comprehension problems
Ornery_Year_9870@reddit
You didn't read the article, did you.
FiberApproach2783@reddit
He had taken the mushrooms over 48 hours earlier and said he felt fine (although very tired) up to that point. There's no reason it should've hit him the way it did and so late. There's not really a way to predict that.
SlyTinyPyramid@reddit
Mushrooms don’t make you want to crash a plane. This dude was not in good headspace and needed mental healthcare.
night81@reddit
There is a new interview with the pilot published today: https://www.ecstaticintegration.org/p/joseph-emerson-i-had-no-idea-psychedelics
Ornery_Year_9870@reddit
Thanks for posting this.
248-083A@reddit
Fuck this pilot and fuck the system that does not allow pilots to seek out mental health help.
I still think this fuckwit pilot should be in prison. He attempted to murder all the people flying that day in that jet. I have zero sympathy for him. He should have called in sick that day.
I'm happy he no longer has a commercial pilot licence.
Ornery_Year_9870@reddit
It's as if you didn't even bother to read the BBC article.
sofixa11@reddit
He was deadheading as a jump seat passenger.
ywgflyer@reddit
Commuting, I believe. Most contracts forbid flight deck jumpseat use while on POS deadheads on duty, I know ours does (not the same carrier as this incident, nor the same country). The gate staff try to get us to sit up front on some actual pos-space deadheads so they don't have to bump somebody but that is a no-no.
Over-Chemical2809@reddit
How did he get into the cockpit if he was off duty?
president_of_burundi@reddit
He was deadheading I think. His seat was one of the jump seats in the cockpit.
bald2718281828@reddit
Actual grateful deadheads would never do this btw. (Jumpseat i mean.)
president_of_burundi@reddit
Hah, well just to clarify, deadheading in aviation has little to do with Jerry Garcia and is the term for an airline employee flying for free as a passenger, usually in order to reposition back to their base airport.
bald2718281828@reddit
Thank you…. aware, while trying to sneak into first class.
poser765@reddit
A bit of clarification for semantics sake. Deadheading is specifically used for company business like repositioning for a different flight. It’s on duty and paid as such. And most CBA ensure a normal passenger seat. In fact it’s very poor form to occupy a jumpseat on a deadhead.
Commuting to get home or two work is not a deadhead. It’s non rev travel or simply “jumpseating”.
Azurehue22@reddit
I wonder if he was in the jumpseat, but still. How?!
deltajvliet@reddit
When the seats in back are full, certified airline pilots can ride the jumpseat with Captain permission to get where they're going (usually to or from work - a lot of pilots commute into their airline's hubs a few times a month from like Des Moines or wherever).
-Depressed_Potato-@reddit
think he was in the jump seat. He tried to pull the fire extinguisher bottles that would've cut power to both engines.
lordtema@reddit
Jump seating.
Express-Way9295@reddit
Would punishment be more severe for a DWI/DUI?
7w4773r@reddit
He wasn’t operating the plane, so why does your comparison make sense?
Mist_Rising@reddit
He was definitely trying to operate the plane, or rather ensure nobody could.
7w4773r@reddit
If you’re drunk in the passenger seat of your friends car and try to reach over and turn the ignition off, don’t get charged with DUI? No, you don’t.
poser765@reddit
To be fair here occupying a flight deck jump seat is not the same as sitting in the passenger seat of your friends car. Nor is it the same as sitting in the back of an airplane.
bookshopdemon@reddit
Better analogy would be bringing a live bomb into a building and having a bystander wrestle it away from you.
ATX_native@reddit
Maybe not.
Most first time DUI/DWI offenders that don’t cause a crash normally get probation, some type of classes, community service and a temporary suspension of their license.
Discon777@reddit
Probably not, first time DUI has a range of jail time from 48 hours to 6 months depending on circumstances and a fine of $1000 or so. He served 50 days in jail, lost his entire career (millions in earnings), paid $60,000 in restitution, and is on probation for 3 years. Plus likely can never travel via an airplane ever again. Far worse consequences than a single DUI without causing deaths. Obviously if someone dies it’s different…
Ornery_Year_9870@reddit
Fair.
TheCaniac30@reddit
Nathan Fielder was right once again
meninblck9@reddit
This is the mushroom guy. Jesus he should be in jail for a few years at the very least for this offense. He could have killed people. My god.
TacohTuesday@reddit
Court documents state he took the mushrooms 48 hours before the flight. I (unfortunately) tried mushrooms in my early 20s. The effects wear off after 3-5 hours. There is no conceivable reason why he'd expect to still be high two days later.
meninblck9@reddit
Yeah, whatever the backstory, that guy should never have been anywhere near a cockpit in that condition
TacohTuesday@reddit
My point is, maybe he didn't realize he was in any "condition" when he entered the cockpit, other than sad and tired. It hit later.
sofixa11@reddit
He was a passenger in the jump seat, not actually flying the plane.
leipzer@reddit
https://www.ecstaticintegration.org/p/joseph-emerson-i-had-no-idea-psychedelics?triedRedirect=true
NeedleGunMonkey@reddit
His team managed a great PR campaign
waddlek@reddit
“Tell me about a time you made a mistake and what you learned from it?”
“Well there was that time I took ‘Shrooms and tried to kill a bunch of people”
swoodshadow@reddit
Where’s that meme about the two pilots interviewing for a job when you need it.
Who you going to hire? The pilot that’s never taken drugs and never had to learn an important lesson. Or the pilot that’s done shrooms and now knows it’s not a good idea.
Obviously the latter. Skills don’t matter, attitude and learning matter!
SpitefulSeagull@reddit
Trust me. I've done every drug there is.
cheetuzz@reddit
although to be fair, I wasn’t trying to kill people, I was just trying to exit my hallucination!
Groundbreaking-Ice12@reddit
That made me LOL 😆
ParticularBeing6686@reddit
Attempted murder of 100+ people and no jail time. Bet if he wasn’t white and wealthy it’d be a different story.
vexillographer7717@reddit
Where’s the evidence that he’s wealthy?
ParticularBeing6686@reddit
He was a commercial pilot… go look up their salary.
T33-L@reddit
Nah, the judge in this case is deffo the type of judge to let anyone and everyone off lightly. Nothing to do with his skin colour or social status, and if it was, she’d have gone harder on him because he’s white and wealthy.
mobileJay77@reddit
This guy fucked up, but he has the decency to own his failure.
We will never see a politician do that.
politicalpug007@reddit
I’m not saying it’s the “wrong” sentence, but just a few more seconds and this would have been one of the worst commercial domestic airline tragedies in American history. Something tells me people would not be so forgiving if this went slightly different.
Acrobatic-Towel-6488@reddit
Let’s all just do whatever
MdeGrasseBison@reddit
MentourPilot did an episode on this. Truely heart-breaking in my opinion.
CouchPotatoFamine@reddit
I used to fly for United Airlines,
then I got fired for reading High Times.
AbbreviationsOld2507@reddit
Good. Let's all learn lessons from this just how it should be