I am extremely excited for this next generation of range-extended EVs, series hybrids, etc.
On paper you get some of the refinement, efficiency, power, & packaging benefits of an EV powertrain but get to leverage the energy density of traditional fuels
& it took a good while for the tech to be commercially viable, but at the low end we have the somewhat series hybrid Hondas, at the high end we are getting the Scout, other VAG products, Stellantis still has that platform in the works, it seems promising
very interested in the scout but they seem to keep changing specs and tightly lipped on the gas gennie except where it sits
first they said 150 on electric range now they said 100 mi
is it a n/a 4cyl or one with turbo like ea888?
imagine having to pull out the battery just to access spark plugs/dead turbo....
>On paper you get some of the refinement, efficiency, power, & packaging benefits of an EV powertrain but get to leverage the energy density of traditional fuels
Series hybrids aren't as efficient as traditional hybrids, and generally aren't any better on fuel than a pure ICE car.
Depends on how much you drive them as EV only vs. with the generator. If you use the battery for something like 80% of the time it will be way, way more efficient than any traditional hybrid. If you plan to ignore that it has a battery, never charge it and just drive it on fuel than not so much.
I think you get the downsides of higher costs, and having to deal with oil changes and other ICE maintenance/repair stuff though. It'll be interesting to see if people are willing to pay a premium for long range PHEV vehicles in the US, especially in cases like Stellantis' when they can just get the ICE only version for less money. Are people gonna go to the dealer and pick the Ramcharger over the cheaper regular RAM trucks there right next to it?
In terms of burning less stuff for power with few compromises long range PHEV powertrains are a great solution and I'm interested to see how they do in the real world both in sales and performance, especially towing. Ideally a PHEV truck should be really, really good at doing actual truck things but that's going to depend on the implementation.
Personally, I just do BEV road trips, don't distance tow, and don't really miss having an engine - but there are those pesky charge deserts in Wyoming/Montana/the Dakotas full of places I might want to visit like Yellowstone...
> I think you get the downsides of higher costs, and having to deal with oil changes and other ICE maintenance/repair stuff though
I don't think it'll be as bad as if you use it as an EV you won't actually run the engine all that much, on e.g. a volt its just check every 7.5k but do it as needed
But yes, higher costs for sure. I think that segment of the market (scout) will be willing to stomach it though. The R1S inside isn't what you'd expect for the $ but it sells well enough & owners are willing to forgive
Whether stellantis will sell any is another story, they already killed off the EV
Would you choose a bigger additional battery pack in the truck bed (like the cybertruck had proposed) or a generator like in the Scout? I'd choose the scout tbh.
Much rather have the scout, I assume there is good reason the cybertruck proposal never went into production on top of Tesla's usual timelines
One day we will have batteries that match or exceed the density of gas, availability of a pump, & convenience/portability of a gas can, that day is not coming anytime soon
Of course you have to design your platform around it, so it's not really a fair comparison, the 'right' comparison would be e.x. a 50kwh REV vs. 200kwh EV
& neither will make it into mercedes' flagship G platform, they went to pretty great lengths to accommodate the current battery
My biggest qualms by far are the previous gen assistance suite, previous gen cheap switchgear for turn stalks, & ground clearance / angles
I personally don't need much range. It would be nice, but I don't \*need\* it
But it is quite annoying that they updated the steering wheel & didn't bother to spend the extra $ bringing over the new turn stalks from the GLE etc.
The sound system isn't fantastic but that is moreso due to the nature of the cabin, materials, proportions rather than the quality of the system itself
Never. They already killed the A1 and Q2, despite good sales, because the profit margins were low. Even if the VW iD.1 ends up as a success it will probably top out at as Cupra.
The ID.1 is too low margin for Audi and it's also not that popular of a segment. These sorts of cars are often bought by companies like mobile nursing services, why would they pay extra for a premium brand?
But they should definitely have done an Audi version of the ID.2/Polo, so basically an electric A1. All car makers thought they could just go upmarket and ignore their entry versions, not understanding that this can't work out if they all do it and that they need cheaper cars to bring in new customers. The student that buys a used A1 and likes it might buy a big, high-margin Audi SUV 15 years later when he can afford it because of his previous positive experience.
But no manager cares about that, all they think about is the next quarter.
The first gen Q7 TDI w/ the BorgWarner Torsen T3 setup was a solid performer, likewise the Toureg & Cayenne it shared a platform with
They have some assistance from Rivian this time as well, I think Audi (& Scout) can launch a proper machine, the Rivians aren't the most reliable either but its a different type of unreliable, e.x. the key
O shit yeah. They quoted 30k lbs towing. I have personally seen it do 2x that on a very different frame.
I also sold more of them new than any other individual in the US and had own a group of them.
Because it is a prototype w/ little to no care given towards cost & packaging, there is nowhere to store your luggage front or rear
But the principle is the same, driven by electric motors, gas engine to charge the battery as needed
Tanking the sales of their sCoUt brand... How utterly predictable from VW.
I said there'd be an off road Audi cobbled from their parts bin since the outset of the SM clusterfuck.
I own both an Audi and an IHC Scout. The last thing I want is their bastard child.
The Scout seem to be USDM-exclusive, so the Audi model can perhaps be better focused on the European market. They can also occupy different price ranges with the Audi aiming at the G-Class and the Scout at the Bronco
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Very cool to see so much interest in the offroad segment from all these manufacturers. Scout looks fantastic. Can't wait to see what they make of this.
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