They Made a Linux Laptop for the Average User
Posted by Little-Season-3433@reddit | linux | View on Reddit | 37 comments
Posted by Little-Season-3433@reddit | linux | View on Reddit | 37 comments
Empty-Pin-7240@reddit
It is a bit disappointing that a measurement of someone’s success is how little they use the terminal. It’s such a powerful tool.
SechsComic73130@reddit
The Powershell in Windows is also a powerful tool.
95% of Windows users have never used it.
Krymnarok@reddit
Okay, I stopped watching about 2min in. The problem is that most people are too afraid to even look at a terminal, let alone take the time to poke around a bit and learn a few basic commands. The truth is that no matter what Linux distribution someone chooses, at some point there will have to be an interaction with the terminal and it's that interaction that steers people away from Linux.
Linux is not Windows. It's 100% user error every time they give up and go back to Windows. If you've been using hammers and nails your entire life, but want to switch to using screws, you're going to need to switch out your hammer for a screw driver to use the screws properly. Every time I see videos like this it boils my blood, using my analogy, it's like they take the hammer and try attaching a screw driver to the hammer that somehow makes sense to people that are still stuck on using a hammer. IDK, I'm ranting and need to leave.
recursive_knight@reddit
I'm gonna steal that analogy, don't mind me..
Krymnarok@reddit
LOL!!! Glad you liked it. It's an old analogy, definitely not 100% mine.
hjake123@reddit
This would only be an accurate analogy if a vast majority of people had been using hammers for their whole lives while never seeing a screwdriver, and screwdrivers required dozens to hundreds of hidden magic words to make use of them.
Like, I enjoy the terminal, but it's way less convenient if you're exploring an interface (and never read the man page) to figure out how anything works. Even with the man pages, it's far easier to see a button that says "add box" or whatever then to scroll through paragraphs of text and eventually discover that -Bc was the secret switch combo to add a box or whatever. Once you know it, the terminal is of course more ergonomic, but so many people would never want to try to take that leap.
This is as someone who grew up with Windows and graphical UIs, so they are natively more intuitive to me then text UIs, even if the same verbs can be accessed easier in a console. It's also true that a GUI will typically be designed to steer you toward common commands and away from dangerous or niche ones in a way that no man page I've read does.
I do think most of the popular system configuration tasks should be (and are being) wrapped by some kind of nice UI, just for ease of use. Of course, these tools should be talking to a tool that has a CLI as well. I think KDE Discover vs apt is a good example (though PackageKit could use some work). Discover works well as a storefront and update tool, while apt is good if you already know the name of the package and want to install or update more efficiently.
theramblingfool@reddit
There are ThinkPads that ship with Fedora now. I'm pretty sure that's the best "normie wants to move to Linux" move.
There are lots of user-friendly distros nowadays. The real barrier is that, quite simply, normies don't expect to have to run installers to get an OS on their machines.
Kaptep525@reddit
They already did this
It’s a t480 for $100 on eBay
FunkyRider@reddit
When this chick did Fedora videos I thought she was cool, exploring Linux world and stuff. Then more of her video pops up, "why this is the best thing since..." "why that is the best..." blah blah blah. Then I realized she's just paid by the manufacturers to sell stuff. To her every new shiny thing is worth spend your hard earned money since it is the "best thing since". So I stopped watching.
dimitrisc@reddit
I really don’t get why so many YouTubers bash the terminal. It’s an integral part of the OS. It’s meant to be used, and people should be encouraged to learn it. Nobody is born knowing how to use Windows or macOS. Every system has a learning curve, and Linux is no different.
Other than bugs (any OS has these) most other issues come down to users trying to run hardware or software that simply isn’t supported on Linux. Yet you never see a YouTuber make a video about a “new user" opening a brand new Macbook and trying to play Elden Ring or plugging in an old Canon LiDE scanner and expecting it to magically work.
But for some reason, these same reviewers expect Linux to run Windows games and Windows-only hardware with zero official drivers—perfectly, out of the box. It’s a double standard!
FattyDrake@reddit
Both Windows and macOS have a terminal. The latter being UNIX no less. But nobody needs to know how to use them to use either OS.
Linux can mostly be used without a terminal nowadays. It's an aspirational goal of desktop developers to minimize the necessity of the terminal and try to eliminate the reasons for using it. If a terminal needs to be used in any part of daily use, it's viewed a usability gap that ought to be patched.
Basically Linux is being compared to other OS's that have found ways to eliminate terminal use with nearly everything for normal use.
riklaunim@reddit
Older generation Intel CPU with not the best iGPU and power efficiency (Intel made a big catchup with Lunar and Arrow Lake), while the price is similar or higher to some current-gen devices.
ArrayBolt3@reddit
(Note that I work with KFocus as a software developer.)
OSes, even if free to download and use, aren't free to develop, nor are they free to support and write documentation for. KFocus and Kubuntu work together to develop both the "vanilla" version of Kubuntu, and KFocus works to make the OEM image work as smoothly as shown here, so that's where the extra cost comes from. It pays for KFocus to eat, it pays for Kubuntu developers (not just KFocus employees) to get new hardware, and in return you get a machine where things like Bluetooth and printing (and HDMI audio and VirtualBox and sleep/resume) work out of the box and don't randomly break when you get a software update.
(The Steam issue I'm willing to bet is because of the DisplayLink drivers. The drivers we verified worked alongside Steam were the .deb files from DisplayLink upstream, whereas Betty used the .run driver here. I'm sorely wishing we had had a one-click button for the DisplayLink drivers like we did for Discord, but hey, no time like the present to add one, right?)
xatrekak@reddit
Does the KFocus installer use the snap or deb version of steam? The deb version avoids so so many issues in my experience.
ArrayBolt3@reddit
I'm pretty sure (would need to check the code) it's the deb package.
riklaunim@reddit
They had TongFang AMD laptops before at a good value. Now TongFang GX4 with HX 370 is cheaper and at their price it still probably would be fair. For this hardware I don't see the value.
omniuni@reddit
The screen looks nice. I guessed $600-$800 before looking at the price, and then just laughed.
Vasant1234@reddit
Linux hardware makes Apple look cheap -:(.
xatrekak@reddit
I really like the look of the Focus IR16 but need a Gen3 to come out with one of the new Intel or AMD CPUs that are so much more efficient. No numpad and a haptic touchpad would absolutely seal the deal.
ArrayBolt3@reddit
We're actually working on an Ir14 GEN 3 right now, which is going to be a 14" machine with an Arrow Lake processor and no numpad. The touchpad isn't going to be haptic, but the touchpad on the Ir16 GEN 2 I have is much easier to click than the touchpads on a lot of laptops I've used, and has good clicky feedback, so I'd expect the Ir14 GEN 3's touchpad to be similar.
xatrekak@reddit
That is exciting to hear! I will keep an eye out.
No-Island-6126@reddit
The averager user of what.
teerre@reddit
There's a set of most used apps on average, which means there's an overall average user
trx131@reddit
browsers
miaRedDragon@reddit
This feels like an ad for a out of date laptop :/
SizeCatDick@reddit
Used Kubuntu? KDE is eat your RAM almost 2-3 GB in idle, same away with Gnome, Budgie
proexterminator@reddit
damn, good thing we haven't had PCs with 3 GB of ram since 2010
MelioraXI@reddit
True, but we see people moving over to Linux on their old ancient laptops all the time asking what distro to use for their 4gb systems.
biteSizedBytes@reddit
Free memory is wasted memory.
absolutecinemalol@reddit
bro wtf is your username
wheredidiput@reddit
this is not true its a few hundred mb
Mj-tinker@reddit
Paid video. Keep in mind.
clgoh@reddit
By the chair company.
qustar_@reddit
New Linux users don't need a fancy laptop to get started. Also, they should know basic things like installing an operating system in case anything ever goes wrong. And the average user in question would most likely not look for a Linux laptop in the first place.
flemtone@reddit
While Kubuntu is a great distro, the laptop is overprices for what it gives you and a cheaper AMD system would perform better.
Karl_Freeman_@reddit
Mac
DoubleOwl7777@reddit
i run normal kubuntu so here is my commentar to her experience:
issues with focus that are not present in normal kubuntu:
the account password thing is a problem of the preinstall.
the rename file being buggy
i just have the power settings as a slider which gets respected if i plug it in or not
problems with kubuntu (or rather ubuntu) in general:
install steam from the .deb downloaded from the steam website. the snap package for it is just hot garbage. runs trackmania etc. just fine.