An ERJ-145 crashed on landing at Kolwezi Airport, in the Democratic Republic of Congo

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Icy_Huckleberry_8049@reddit

planes don't hold up well to fire, never have. They pretty much all look like this after a fire.

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Very interesting, the engines don’t seem to have been directly involved with the fire. When I watched the video I thought that because of the location of the fire it must have started with one of the engines. Usually after a crash fire starts at the fuel tanks in the wings. The APU seems to also not be the source of fire in the tail which appears to be mostly intact.

Possible that it was a cabin fire? How would that tie in with the runway departure and gear collapse? As someone noticed, the nose gear didn’t shear off which is also unusual.

It’s going to be interesting to see what the investigation finds

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canteloupy@reddit

Rear wheel snaps and ignites from speed?

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NotCook59@reddit

“Rear wheel” - yeah, that’s it. 🙄

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DarwinZDF42@reddit

That was my thought reading the above comment. Maybe a stuck brake or burst tire that led to both the fire and runway departure.

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sykoKanesh@reddit

Friction from sliding perhaps? (I'm only guessing, as it appears to not have the wheels down, or they were sheared off maybe?)

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loserkids1789@reddit

Nice of them to leave the bones behind

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Chaxterium@reddit

Nothing a little bondo and some speed tape can't fix.

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DaddieTang@reddit

Relax, all right? My old man is a television repairman, he's got this ultimate set of tools. I can fix it.

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plantsadnshit@reddit

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Random-Mutant@reddit

I met that fish ages ago! Long time no sea!

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ninjazee124@reddit

It’s just a scratch, can be fixed

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dildo_schwaginz@reddit

Like it's been picked over by buzzards

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opteryx5@reddit

That was my first thought. Like a fish whose meat was eaten by an eagle but they left the bony head and tail.

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xtremesaturn@reddit

Bro those tints on those windshield are legit.

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Great_Ganache_8698@reddit

Was anyone else on edge watching the flames get near that wing? The entire time I’m thinking holy shit this camera looks insanely close to the tank laying on the ground there. Yikes; run first!!!

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Texas_Kimchi@reddit

Flying in the Congo sounds diabolical.

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Zrkkr@reddit

Grabbing 2 bags while the engine is on fire is CRAZY work

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atbths@reddit

So many people commenting on the bag grabbing, but what about the filming? People should not be rushing to get their phones out either.

I imagine if you're standing still waiting for others to get off, the compulsion may be to do something, and that could just be grabbing your bags/getting out the phone. Dunno, haven't had to deal with that yet.

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HoleInWon929@reddit

I give a pass on filming, sometimes it can help crash investigations.

People who grab their luggage? Straight to hell!

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Wooden-Broccoli-7247@reddit

If I have my backpack in between my legs, I’m grabbing it on my way out. Probably better than knocking it into the aisle or having it bloc the people in my row from trying to get out. Anyone opening an overhead bin though is getting kidney punched if I’m standing there waiting for them. Most of these bags appear to be smaller bags that were likely immediately accessible. Also, people living in the Congo might feel different about how easy it might be to replace electronics and such than people in other countries.

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Raccoon_Ratatouille@reddit

And your thinking is the exact same logic why idiots grab their bags and get people killed.

So not only are you adding time to grab your bag, plus put it on, but you’re also making yourself bulkier, slower, clumsier, and more difficult to get out a pretty small exit door. And if you don’t put it on, now you’re using a hand that can be used to get out the plane faster.

Leave, Your. Fucking. Bag. Behind!!!

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seeking_hope@reddit

Or punch a hole in the emergency slide with something on the bag.

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KS_Gaming@reddit

I'm literally not sacrificing a molecule of any resource that's required for an evacuation by putting on my backpack that's sitting next to me and it just helps me focus on escape because as much as you'd like to hate on human nature and caring about stuff like this in a life or death situation leaving your stuff behind is very mentally distracting.

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unscholarly_source@reddit

Can I ask, what do you have in your bag that you absolutely need to have with you?

Your passport I assume? Any critical medications?

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KS_Gaming@reddit

Yes to both in fact. I'd quickly end up in a psych ward without my medications.

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unscholarly_source@reddit

I empathize with the struggles you have to go through, but do you feel that in a life or death situation, that prioritizing surviving first is a prerequisite for those medications? And that's embassies exist for the situation in which you no longer have your passport? Particularly when lives of those in your row depend on you exiting in a timely manner?

I'm in a similar situation as you, and as a result I have a chest pouch that I always wear. You just stand up and go. Have you considered that instead?

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KS_Gaming@reddit

I am well aware that putting others lives at any higher risk due to having to grab my personal belongings shouldn't be done, I am just imagining a typical situation with how I'm sitting in a plane with my backpack which I keep between my legs/on my legs and could easily grab without delaying my exit

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Raccoon_Ratatouille@reddit

I legitimately can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not

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KS_Gaming@reddit

if you want to leave your stuff when grabbing it would cost nothing to feel morally better about yourself that's your personal issue and I won't be getting sad about your emotions impairing your judgement in life.

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Raccoon_Ratatouille@reddit

I get it. You're one of those people that thinks you're so much better and smarter and faster than everyone, so that's why you think common sense and the laws of physics simply don't apply to you. That's cool. How do I get to be like that?

Explain yourself. How is it possible that bending down to grab a bag under the seat, putting it on, or carrying it to an exit doesn't take any more time? How does a bag not take up space in the aisle way and make people wait for you to get out of the way so they can get up? How does having more weight and more space on your back not impact your balance? I really want to hear how absolutely incredible you are.

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KS_Gaming@reddit

Under what seat? I keep it right between my legs and just grab it while standing up. You are the one yapping about me pretending I know better than anyone while you can't even imagine others might not run into same issues as you with your bags? The way redditors like you talk is so cringe lmfao I'd love to see how you talk like this irl.

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Raccoon_Ratatouille@reddit

Right, you’re bragging about superhuman abilities and reflexes and how adding weight and shifting your center of gravity doesn’t impact your movements at all, and that your backpack is more important than preventing people from burning alive, but saying you’re full of shit is “cringe”. Cool story “bro”

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Dino_Spaceman@reddit

You also take up the space of two people in the aisle.

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Full_heat@reddit

Agreed. I have a purse that I put across my chest. I have my ID in it. I. Throwing that on before I even stand up, and it's coming with me.

I used to be a flight attendant, and I understand about leaving luggage and bags behind. But, my purse is coming with me.

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atbths@reddit

Out of curiosity, in your opinion, at what point is bringing a bag unacceptable? Purse is good, obviously going into the overhead for a rollerbag is too much. What about a laptop bag that can be thrown over a shoulder?

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Dino_Spaceman@reddit

This has been debated to death, but folks don’t realize how much time it adds to grab your bag. Then compound that by every person on board. 120 people adds two minutes to the evacuation time if they all pause for a second to grab something.

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ZZ9ZA@reddit

Only if they did it ONE AT A TIME. That's not how things work.

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Wooden-Broccoli-7247@reddit

I’m talking about the backpack that between my feet when I fly. As an aisle seat guy, if I don’t grab it, the other people in my row are going to trip on it. Overhead bins are entirely different.

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SRM_Thornfoot@reddit

Your backpack is not supposed to be between your feet. It is supposed to be stowed under the seat in front of you precisely so that it does not get tripped over during an evacuation. Also, once you get out of the plane, as you stand there holding your backpack like a tool, the other passengers are not going to know or care where you got your backpack from. They may take your own advice and kidney punch you.

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Dino_Spaceman@reddit

The math doesn’t change with under the seat bags. Even a one second delay significantly adds up.

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Alaea@reddit

How does that not work with people coming down the aisle already? If you have to wait 3 seconds for a space in the line of people to be able to leave your aisle anyway, surely spending a second or two to grab a bag from the floor isn't going to have an appreciable effect?

Like even without overhead luggage, a normal deboarding leaves me stood in the aisle waiting for people seated behind to let me out anyway.

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IdaCraddock69@reddit

also your bag is taking up space that could be another person closer to the exits. that said, people criticizing is wild, what effects peoples' reactions in these type of situations is actual compulsory drills in meat space. by the people involved which is passengers. no way airlines are doing that or regulatory agencies are requiring it. but sure let's blame some regular person who almost died

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IdaCraddock69@reddit

get out of your seat and leave your pack on it. simple

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unscholarly_source@reddit

And that's why you are asked to make sure your bag is fully pushed below the seat so that, you know, your stuff doesn't block people in your row.

And if your bag is properly stored so that people don't trip on it, the time it takes for you to to reach for it would take longer.

Stop prioritizing your bags. You are compounding additional risk.

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sofixa11@reddit

If I have my backpack in between my legs, I’m grabbing it on my way out. Probably better than knocking it into the aisle or having it bloc the people in my row from trying to get out

You shouldn't have it between your legs for exactly that reason. The only valid placement is below the seat in front of you, out of the way to ensure nobody trips on it in case of an evacuation.

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JimTheJerseyGuy@reddit

People living in the Congo should also realize that they die from smoke, fire, and explosion just as easily as people from other countries.

Your life isn’t worth it. Just go!

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Poopy_sPaSmS@reddit

The point is that no one is thinking, let me get my phone out so I can help the investigators. They're doing it because they're completely morons.

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DietCherrySoda@reddit

That's not the point at all, their intention is irrelevant to the crash investigation.

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Poopy_sPaSmS@reddit

their intention is irrelevant to the crash investigation.

So we agree then.

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DietCherrySoda@reddit

I don't care if they are morons if their behaviour doesn't cause harm and it aids the investigation.

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Poopy_sPaSmS@reddit

The ONLY intention EVER should be to do the best job possible to enable every living soul to deplane. Not one single other action is ever excusable whatsoever.

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Nomadic_Yak@reddit

You think they were thinking about crash investigation? All they were thinking about was the sweet sweet karma

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ronhenry@reddit

Karma nothing - they are more likely hoping to get a news org to give them money for the tragedy footage.

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peteroh9@reddit

Or maybe they just were in an airplane crash and thought they should record a video?

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DrawingDowntown5858@reddit

I film starts and landings just for that, no sweet karma included. If shit goes sideways someone will maybe find that phone and scrap data from it that will help investigators.

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Sp1kes@reddit

But it can still help with crash investigations.

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imaginaryResources@reddit

“The investigation concludes that passengers filming while evacuating the burning plane delayed and interfered with other passengers easily evacuating.”

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Sp1kes@reddit

Where did I state filming does not hinder evacuation?

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Content_Valuable_428@reddit

If it can also slow the evacuation, helping the investigation is not a justification to do it.

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Hakker9@reddit

Why they have a black box for investigation (which is the only thing that actually matters at aircrash investigations)

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Galf2@reddit

filming is just as bad if they're still inside. They took time to start filming and they're focused on that instead of GTFO'ing, Could cost someone 1 minute which is the difference between collapsing due to fumes or making it out unscathed.

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aitorbk@reddit

There was an incident in Russia with quite a few dead due to this, and sadly no one charged as far as I know.

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RemoteWatcher7314@reddit

Thanks to our eagerness to video everything, We’ve become the Spectator Species

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unscholarly_source@reddit

Have we considered the fact that the recording may have started by people recording the landing (which happens often)? (Which by the way, is proven by another post, in which the recording did start while still in the air).

This goes to show that we can't make assumptions on just the clip that we see.

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atbths@reddit

Doesn't really matter. Is their attention and body movements 100% focused on evacuating? No, they are distracted by their phone.

Will that result in others dying? No idea, maybe not. But it sure seems unnecessary, and if someone DID die because some asshole had to get a good shot of their plane on fire, it would be absolutely inexcusable.

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unscholarly_source@reddit

How fascinating. In the other thread, the vast majority were praising his camera work. In this one, people are outraged.

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atbths@reddit

I mean, I appreciate the video as it allows me to see something pretty extraordinary. But would you want people in front of you evacuating a burning airplane devoting any of their focus on their camera work?

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unscholarly_source@reddit

I'll be honest with you, in that moment, I would probably be overwhelmed with pure fear than to care about what the guy next to me has in his hands. Fear would make me not care about whether he's recording or not.

I think that's what most people would realistically feel.

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atbths@reddit

That's fair and very realistic. I am just trying to distill the difference of opinion between bag carrying and filming that the folks in this thread seem to have. I feel like they both have a negative, and likely relatively equal, negative effect on timely evacuation.

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2wicky@reddit

For me it's the: I've successfully escaped from a crashed plane, buts lets hang around a bit it and admire burning fuselage from up close.

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bloatis123@reddit

Fvcking idiots don’t realise all those horrible chemical byproducts of the burning are there as well to be breathed in. GTFOH

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Zrkkr@reddit

Popping out your phone is disruptive, but you can be easily pushed and generally you are still moving. You have to actively stand still, fumble to unlock the overhead bins and fumble to make space in the aisle for your bag.

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Galf2@reddit

You are underestimating the amount of brain power required to focus on filming rather than getting out, it's much worse than grabbing a small bag between your legs.

Not really excusing either but the bag is off your mind the moment you grab it, the phone? You're only thinking about that.

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Broudster@reddit

The guy may have already been filming before the impact. The way he's holding the phone while still inside does not require any 'brain power', he was literally slinging it all over the place.

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NJrose20@reddit

Yes, like the poor guy in the plane that crashed in Nepal. Just happily filming their descent and it crashed.

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serpenta@reddit

To be fair, I heard about people suffocating, because those in front were not leaving they carry-ons. But I've never heard about anyone suffocating because someone in front was filming. Unless you're a boomer and have to get your reading glasses, and can only operate your phone while standing still, you pose much less risk than someone going through the bins, to find their baggage. Both are stupid, bit yeah, after hearing about those cases of suffocation I have no respect for people valuing their belonging over the lofe of others.

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Galf2@reddit

You still need to point the phone somewhere, unlock it, start recording and keep it pointed, so you basically have lost access to one hand, two hands for a while, and you can't keep it just squished on you so you effectively take up more space than a dude with a backpack

I think it's much worse because it takes your attention away, people filming lose spatial awareness entirely

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canteloupy@reddit

People do this on auto now. Something remarkable happens, they film or photograph.

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Single_Reaction9983@reddit

I feel like running out and recording isnt as bad as taking your stuff blocking the path for everyone else.

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doctorfortoys@reddit

I think in a traumatic event like this, all bets are off regarding using any kind of judgment. People just start doing things automatically and related to the group, having all kinds of reactions.

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DietCherrySoda@reddit

You say automatic, but I've seen crashes in Japan where people exit the plane quickly and orderly without grabbing bags etc. So there seems to be a way to influence the automatic behaviour.

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-Ernie@reddit

So there seems to be a way to influence the automatic behaviour.

Training.

Honestly it would probably help if people had to take a 1/2 day safety class to get approved to fly, but I’m sure the odds of needing it are so slim as to not be worth training millions of travelers.

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cupittycakes@reddit

Japan on a whole-nother-level than us. Leave your laptop in public and it doesn't get stolen typa' shit.

Or maybe I'm thinking Singapore?

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SoothedSnakePlant@reddit

Tbf, I've done this plenty of times in the US too.

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No-Term2329@reddit

Left 2 iPads at the airport in Singapore. Someone turned them in

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That-Makes-Sense@reddit

That's why it's essential that the crew gives explicit directions. "LEAVE YOUR BAGS! IF YOU BRING YOUR BAGS YOU WILL PAY A $10,000 FINE AND 1 YEAR IN PRISON, AND POSSIBLY ADDITIONAL MANSLAUGHTER CHARGES."

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canteloupy@reddit

The guy with suitcases appears to be the last one exiting. I hope he didn't block others.

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Galf2@reddit

recording WHILE STILL INSIDE is wild, that dude is unaware of his surroundings and slowing down people to get instagram likes

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PigSlam@reddit

If it happened, but it wasn't posted on facebook, did it "really" happen?

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Sherifftruman@reddit

I’m not going to live stream myself jumping out of the slide, but you Best damn believe that if I ever survive a plane crash and I’m standing away from the plane not in anyone’s way I’m going to be filming that and will have earned that right.

Grabbing a bag of any kind is stupid, and my phone is always in my pocket for takeoff and landing.

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atbths@reddit

Thats cool and the gang but we're talking egress here.

Just don't get run over by a firetruck.

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spankr@reddit

I don't think filming it slows down or blocks people like hauling an oversized bag or two.

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Nok1a_@reddit

first thing I thought, but then I was this mdfkr it´s clever, he knows camera man never dies, so kudos to him

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atbths@reddit

This is the only acceptable answer. Except that its proven wrong in a few of those incidents where recordings were started before the plane crashed :(

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PornoPaul@reddit

I have my phone out a lot on flights for various reasons, usually music. In that moment it would take me 3 seconds to hit camera and record,.and it was already on his hand.

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LayerSure6874@reddit

Who were you to tell how people do act in any situation Shut the fuck up

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nopuse@reddit

Who were you to tell how people do act in any situation Shut the fuck up

Based on this comment I can tell you're so unintelligent that you'd definitely be the person pulling their phone out to record in a situation like this.

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creativeplaceholder@reddit

Sometimes the best thing you can do is get out of the way. Going back to “help” can clog up exit paths and cause further delays and increase the chances of more injuries or death.

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faberkyx@reddit

Was expecting someone to go back and try to open the cargo door to get the rest of their bags

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new_name_needed@reddit

That’s actually not a bad system. Let everyone off first without any baggage, then anyone who wants can go back and try to pull their luggage from the burning wreckage…

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canteloupy@reddit

The filming guy is telling another "leave it! We'll get another one!" to what I presume is his friend hesitating to go back.

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LounBiker@reddit

Yeah, his buddy wants to go back for his stuff. Wise move not to.

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FSUnoles77@reddit

Maybe his buddy was referring to a third friend.

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LounBiker@reddit

I don't think so.

'Un autre' in French means 'another'. The literal translation is 'we'll get another'.

That would be a very odd way to refer to a person, he's talking about an inanimate object they will replace.

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ButlerKevind@reddit

Yea, used to load those things for US Airways back in the day. The cargo bin is directly underneath the pilot-side engine nacelle. Anything in that cargo bin is long gone at this point, judging by the flames in that area.

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Galf2@reddit

I mean to be fair it's the DPR, could be the entire life of someone in that suitcase lol. Not a happy place to be in.

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sexuallyactivepope@reddit

They had a big mine collapse yesterday too. Not a happy place at all

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poopio@reddit

He's not having a good week.

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Soft_Walrus_3605@reddit

The people flying in airplanes in the DRC aren't the destitute ones, lol

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Galf2@reddit

I don't have an idea. People come to migrate in Europe selling all their belongings...

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Glittering_Heart1128@reddit

So many freaking people just cannot understand that concept.

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InspectionSouthern11@reddit

Probably the case, even if not plenty of things we travel with are replaceable; however not easily.

This is why I default to what the RCAF taught me. Wear it; or forget it. Mind you that was more of a "never trust the airframe epirb or survival kit on its own" but still applies to anything you can't/won't leave behind in the civvie world.

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rayrevolveray@reddit

Dress to egress!

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andpaws@reddit

Or their real life in flames. Pick….

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Little-Mushroom-3961@reddit

Yea ngl if I was less fortunate and pretty much my entire life was in a suitcase. Fuck it I'm risking it at that point if I lose everything I'm dead anyways.

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IdaCraddock69@reddit

this is exactly it. horrible

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Lord_Cheesy_Beans@reddit

I would dick punch everyone who got between me and the door while grabbing their luggage

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LounBiker@reddit

And then you'd be slower getting out, having to climb over them.

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Lord_Cheesy_Beans@reddit

I guess the dick punching can wait till we get out. Maybe.

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andpaws@reddit

Boils my piss! Was on a jet some years ago when we had a minor landing overrun. Didn’t feel minor at the time and you are never sure how it is going to work out until after. During the evacuation, people were queuing to get their bags from the lockers. I went straight through them. Would happily have decked someone. No excuse ..

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snarfgobble@reddit

I'm not judging someone from a developing nation for grabbing their shit.

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Money4Nothing2000@reddit

These dumb motherfuckers tryin to get others killed.

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That-Makes-Sense@reddit

Filming your own exit is crazy too.

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jj3449@reddit

Considering some of the videos I’ve seen this one wasn’t that bad. These Africans get it done I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t get the bags out of the cargo hold also.

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SecBot24@reddit

If I'm inside a burning airplane and someone stops in front of me to gather their bags, I'm knocking them down and walking over them to get to the door.

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juana-golf@reddit

How to spot a drug mule;)

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SuperbResearcher3259@reddit

To be fair, he had his phone charger and spare vape cartridges in that bag. You can't put a price on some things, but if you did it would be about $35 US.

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Ziegler517@reddit

To be fair, it’s probably EVERYTHING they own. Still stupid though.

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Crazy__Donkey@reddit

Hilding others to escape the furnace by grabbing 2 bags is criminal.

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LeonBlacksruckus@reddit

I definitely understand grabbing your bags with your documents and any additional cash in it because you would be absolutely screwed without it in DRC

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extrasupercilious@reddit

Still not worth killing a fellow passenger over

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Capital-Plane7509@reddit

That's worth being beaten for

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donald_314@reddit

This absolutely Aeroflot Flight 1492 Superjet vibes.

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jazzydat@reddit

They could have their life savings in there?

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xynix_ie@reddit

Don't forget to tip your bellman!

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orphanpowered@reddit

How about the dude going back to film it with his phone.

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azcurlygurl@reddit

I was today years old when I learned they speak French in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

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DOOM_INTENSIFIES@reddit

11th hull loss, still zero fatalities. Bravo, Embraer.

(if you don't count that criminal thing those pilots did with that legacy)

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mikesauce@reddit

We fly on these pretty frequently when visiting the in-laws. The route we take is serviced by Embraers and Boeings, and after we lost some trust in Boeing I starting making a point to only book on the Embraers.

That statistic was especially nice to see after I started looking into it a bit more. Always a nice ride on these too. I hear they're a pleasure to fly as well.

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pzerr@reddit

I get the Boeing concerns. Certainly should not have been two crashes for the same issue. Unlucky in that the second happened before they had a full fix and a software update ready. There was a directive for the pilots to disconnect the problem system but unfortunately the pilots were not aware or were not sufficiently trained by the second accident.

That being said, the Boeing Max has flown some 8 million flights and statistically speaking, it is extremely safe. Safer than many older planes and about 10 times safer than Concord for example. Different metrics you can use for this. Flight time, flights, miles flown. But all metrics are very good compared to past aircraft and even new aircraft.

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tacoma_skit@reddit

Yeah im sure the people who died on the MAX were thinking “well its ok, its mostly safe, statistically speaking”.

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pzerr@reddit

All forms of travel have risk. Not sure what your point it?

Just it is inline with most modern jets fatality rates now which are incredibly safe. Far far better than vehicle for example but a few factors. 10 times better than 'Concorde' which was acceptable at one time.

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tacoma_skit@reddit

I dont disagree with anything you said, but i thought it was important to point out that by definition, statistics wont mean much once its your ass falling with a defective plane.

It irks me to think someone on that second MAX mightve looked for reassurance in statistics just to have the same fate.

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pzerr@reddit

Yes but you could apply that logic to any plane flying now. Some have worse rates than the 737 yet no one thinks twice about it. That particular plane just made huge news. Understandably as it was new and the failure was tragic and consecutive. But you could easily be flying on planes that have worse records than the 737 and many people are.

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tacoma_skit@reddit

So statistically safe the whole fleet was grounded more than once. I hope you catch the nuance of what im trying to say.

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JJAsond@reddit

and after we lost some trust in Boeing I starting making a point to only book on the Embraers.

To be clear, it's mostly the MAX that has issues. All other boeing airplanes are still fine to fly.

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UncleWainey@reddit

Also have to not count the Russian one that was… not the plane’s fault.

Still, particularly amazing record considering these are often flown by entry-level pilots on starvation wages.

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notjfd@reddit

It's very possible Tupolevs are actually very safe planes, we'll just never know because it's mostly Russians flying them.

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UncleWainey@reddit

I’m talking about this Embraer crash: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Wagner_Group_plane_crash

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notjfd@reddit

Notable for being the first crash in Russia that wasn't pilot error.

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smoores02@reddit

I had to pause and double and triple check this. Yeah, over 20 years in service, over 1,200 aircraft built, and every single flight has delivered people safely back to earth. Absolutely outstanding.

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Fiscal_de_IPTU@reddit

"yeah, but we'll still keep buying these expensive Boeings that fall like flies"

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smoores02@reddit

Yeah I guess I wouldn't call the Russian incident an accident, and it's quite an impressive feat to survive a collision with another aircraft at altitude.

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Mythrilfan@reddit

Damn, and it's not like it's a new, super expensive or super rare jet either. Nearly thirty years without fatalities, super neat. More than just luck?

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countjeremiah@reddit

Nope! Just luck!

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Josh72826@reddit

Is that the captain bolting out with a bag in his hand while exiting? Damn.

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Timely-Discipline427@reddit

How do we fix the issue of people grabbing their luggage before they evacuate in these situations?

I get they are under severe duress but the delays it creates and the risk of lives lost when every second counts is significant.

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Dino_Spaceman@reddit

Don’t let carryon luggage be a thing. While it’s still Very Bad and absolutely should still be left behind, a backpack is a lot easier to grab than luggage.

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PsychologicalGlass47@reddit

Carry-on is the shit you put at your feet.

To have anything more than that in the cabin is stupid.

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sykoKanesh@reddit

Yeah, I've only ever used a backpack when flying, it just sits in my lap or at my feet, I figure that would be ok since it's already "on my person," as it were.

I would never, EVER block the aisle trying to reach into a bin or something like that.

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msabre__7@reddit

You leave the back packs too. Don’t grab a single fucking thing if your plane is seconds away from exploding.

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Dino_Spaceman@reddit

Oh I fully agree. I think nothing should be grabbed that isn’t in your pockets or on your body as you get instructed to move. No bending down to grab one thing. That one second adds up very quickly.

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PsychologicalGlass47@reddit

You don't? People put their entire lives in a small bag to go to some other place, no wonder they're going to stop those bags from catching flame.

Especially if you're an African politician with bags of uh... Things.

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JJAsond@reddit

How do we fix the issue of people grabbing their luggage before they evacuate in these situations?

Genuinely? It's a culture thing.

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ArsErratia@reddit

Make it a criminal offense.

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BigBlueMountainStar@reddit

Automatic locks on the bins has been suggested before.
However, this may make the problem worse in case someone in panic mode spends more time trying to open the locked bin.

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Epiphany818@reddit

It's much easier to shove someone down the aisle if they don't have a bag in their hands / arms in a bin.

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Kitchen-Cabinet-5000@reddit

As bad as it sounds, it would legitimately be better for overall survivor numbers for people trying to get their luggage to get trampled, so actual survivors can just step over the body.

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mthchsnn@reddit

Maybe if they put that in the safety briefing...

In the event of an emergency and in the interest of a speedy evacuation, please trample anyone attempting to retrieve baggage from the overhead bins.

An engineering solution like locking the bins seems cost prohibitive and potentially counterproductive. I think a behavioral change would be cheaper and possibly much more effective.

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BigBlueMountainStar@reddit

Behavioural changes clearly haven’t worked yet!

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SkiingAway@reddit

Whatever solution or procedure might be implemented that would solve the problem in the developed world, it's not likely to trickle down to a difference here IMO.

It's an airline that's already non-compliant with the rest of international norms/practices (and banned from flying into most developed countries), flying into a country that's questionably functional.

If there was a procedure it will probably be skipped, ignored by passengers even if they are told, and if there's a physical/mechanical solution it will probably have been long since disabled/overridden/broken.

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Ok_Lime4124@reddit

I don’t know if there will ever be a real solution that airlines will agree to implement but I can say I try my best to do my own personal part. As a flight attendant this is the one things that maybe grinds my gears the absolute most. So when I’m reciting the safety demo, our company is pretty adamant about us being “by the book” when we recite these but I don’t. Because the language is too relaxed imo. It doesn’t convey the pertinence of this situation. So I reword that part of our announcement in a way that does and I say it loudly and sternly. Even other crew members will comment in jest how they were scared a lil bit after my announcement lol. I mean business, man. Leave your shit!!!! Nobody deserves to die cuz of your material things. Even if I get one persons attention who I otherwise wouldn’t have saying our boring normal spiel then I’m good with that.

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sykoKanesh@reddit

Out of curiosity, any time I've flown, I only ever have a single backpack I just put in my lap. I take it that, since it's already on my person and not very much in the way, it wouldn't be as much of an issue to stand up and deboard/evacuate the aircraft with it clutched to my chest?

I'm guessing this is more for the folks actively blocking the aisles trying to reach up into bins and such?

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Ok_Lime4124@reddit

So here’s the thing the way I tried to describe to people is think of our jobs as flight attendant, as we are basically there to get the cabin ready for an evacuation. We are basically trying to maximize as many people getting out of the cabin as possible in the smallest amount of time possible. We are actually trained to conduct an evacuation in. I believe it’s like 90 seconds or less. We actually get time on it in our trainings.

Saying all that to say the best case scenario for evacuating a cabin in the smallest amount of time saving the most amount of lives is to have every single item that can be tossed around as a projectile or someone could trip over, etc. etc. either stowed away in the overhead bin or stowed underneath the seat in front of you. And yes, sorry to say this includes your book bag because when you think about it it’s not attached to you. It’s just sitting there on your lap, so any scenario where we hit a crazy patch of turbulence or we land and we’re pumping all over the place. That bag is gonna go flying up and become a projectile and then on top of that, it’s gonna land somewhere where someone will trip over it when it could’ve just been underneath the seat and you can avoid that scenario altogether. If that makes sense, I hope it does.

Like you’re not supposed to have a backpack on your lab even a Crossbody bag across your torso because the Crossbody bags can easily get caught up on a seat handle or some other object on the plane as you’re trying to evacuate and now you’re stuck and people are tripping over you and stampeding over you.

I know this is a lot to think about and it sounds exaggerated and like the worst case scenario, but that’s exactly how we are taught to think we are trained to think because if you can make the cabin, prepare to be as evacuation ready as possible you can potentially save many many more lives as opposed to it, not being ready and people tripping over bags and laptops, flying in the air and hitting people in the heads, etc., etc.

Sorry, I tried to make that as concise as possible, but I really wish and hope for people to understand what I’m trying to convey.

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MichiganKarter@reddit

In this case? Nothing. That luggage was the cash needed to pay the widows and orphans of a mine collapse. If they had exited the airplane without it the public would have, justifiably, literally torn them limb from limb.

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BraidRuner@reddit

Having locks that deploy during a crash. Stopping the overhead bins from opening.

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CaptainSholtoUnwerth@reddit

Making sure 100% instead of only 95% of Reddit comments are about the bag grabbing should probably do it.

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Slight_Bed_2241@reddit

Let’m die. Darwinism. Fuck it

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tumtum@reddit

No more hand luggage - basta

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randomtask733@reddit

There should be a hefty fine

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sjcphl@reddit

Next time there's an evacuation, the authorities need to fine people seen on video doing this for disobeying crew instructions and make sure the media covers it a lot.

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Duct_TapeOrWD40@reddit

Probably with a redesign. Locked or very small overhead compartments and bigger cargo spaces.

-Telling any rule to a foreginger without a common language seems to be hopeless.

-Panic reactions are unpredictable, the "Pack you things and go" works as a routine in normal circumstances, so they aren't even realise what are they doing.

-Punishing someone for a rule never told or for a panic reaction seems cruel, but the bigger problem is it has no effective deterrent power.

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Spran02@reddit

Morons with their carry-on

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FLG_CFC@reddit

Government delegation. It's all cash.

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Spran02@reddit

But the money is insured though, it's not worth dying for

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PsychologicalGlass47@reddit

You'd be surprised what is worth dying for

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xtremesaturn@reddit

Insured? LOL

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discombobulated38x@reddit

The legal money is insured.

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Spran02@reddit

Yeah okay, I see lol

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FLG_CFC@reddit

Bro, this is Africa. That man was to deliver the money, or they'll send him a video of his family being butchered and eaten.

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NotCook59@reddit

Hope no one got trapped inside waiting for these people to pull down their carryon bags.

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luso_warrior@reddit

Embraer has made very resistant planes.

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TinyDemon000@reddit

Senõr....senõr....senõr....

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Drive-Expensive@reddit

That better not be the captain at 0:45 leaving before everyone was out of the aircraft

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kennedon@reddit

I will never understand the compulsion to film an evacuation. It certainly makes for interesting footage, but I just cannot relate to thinking “this is probably one of the most critical moments in my life to survive… better whip out my phone and open up the camera app.”

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notjfd@reddit

I mean, the bottleneck are the emergency exits, there's probably people up ahead of you shouting at someone to leave their bags behind, and you're stuck anyway. If I can't move ahead, I'm pulling out my phone to document things.

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zxcvbn113@reddit

R/killthecameraman was too close to reality this time.

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Icy-Worldliness5570@reddit

As an engineer, I’d say its a interesting data for the manufacturer to understand how people behave during a evacuation on their product. Useful data for future developments

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TestyBoy13@reddit

I’d record it mainly because I’m a plane autist and I could provide the NTSB more documentation of the incident

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zxcvbn113@reddit

R/killthecameraman was too close to reality this time.

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despwn@reddit

Cameraman never dies.

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NFG89@reddit

Except that one dude who took pictures of an erupting volcano, figured he couldn't outrun the event, and laid down on his backpack in an effort to protect the contents.

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Zwangsjacke@reddit

It's either that or grab your carry-on.

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rapzeh@reddit

Hey, you can do both!

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This-cant-be-wright@reddit

No injuries reported thankfully.

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Fiscal_de_IPTU@reddit

Another Embraer crashing due poor maintenance, but still no deaths.

Best company 10/10

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MorpheusKingOfNight@reddit

Thank god. I hate seeing so many planes crashing. Needless deaths.

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Bad_Ethics@reddit

Downvoted for expressing gratitude that nobody was harmed.

Never change, Reddit.

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Simple_Library_2700@reddit

People are downvoting because “seeing so many planes crashing” is a pretty wild statement to make in an aviation subreddit where you’d assume people are knowledgeable enough to know that flying in this day and age is as safe as it has ever been.

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sofixa11@reddit

you’d assume people are knowledgeable enough to know that flying in this day and age is as safe as it has ever been.

While that's true, there have been more crashes in the last couple of years than the years before Covid. (Covid has little to do with it, just establishing the timeline).

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whats_a_quasar@reddit

Do you have a source for this claim? Particularly one that is normalized by the number of flight-miles or similar.

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N205FR@reddit

For the US definitely true that 2025 has had more Part 121, scheduled air carrier accidents than in quite a while, Covid was not when the change started. From 2020 until 2025 there was not a single part 121 carrier hull loss. Then this year there has been 4 (JIA, BRG, EDV and UPS) 3 of which were fatal which is alarmingly high though not related to each other more of a luck thing. Previous fatal 121 accidents occurred all the way back in 2019 and 2018. However since we are talking about worldwide accidents here, no they have not increased overall.

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-paw-@reddit

I think it was because of "many planes crashing"

One could infer that he says that recently a lot of planes are crashing and from then on assume that safety stats are going down/getting worse

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That-Makes-Sense@reddit

That's amazing.

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on3day@reddit

If I ever stand behind people that find it necessary to get their belongings instead of rushing out, maybe some injuries might be reported.

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reddituserperson1122@reddit

There should be criminal penalties for taking your bags when evacuating.

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Anhedonia10@reddit

If I am ever involved in a Evac, and you are in front of me grabbing your bags, im throwing you back in the fire.

Simple /.

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Prod_Red@reddit

An Airjet Angola Embraer ERJ-145, registration D2-AJB performing flight MBC-100 from Kinshasa to Kolwezi (DR Congo), landed on Kolwezi's runway 29 but came to a stop off the runway on its belly, the tail area burst into flames. The occupants evacuated. There were no injuries, however, the aircraft is reported completely burned down.

The aircraft carried DR Congo's Minister of Mines and had been chartered to transport a delegation of the Ministry.

Kolwezi Airport features a runway 11/29 of 2410 meters/7900 feet length and mainly serves the local copper mine. Incident Facts

Date of incident Nov 17, 2025

Classification Accident

Airline Airjet Angola

Flight number MBC-100

Departure Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of Congo

Destination Kolwezi, Democratic Republic of Congo

Aircraft Registration D2-AJB

Aircraft Type Embraer ERJ-145

ICAO Type Designator E145

https://www.aeroinside.com/21297/airjet-angola-e145-at-kolwezi-on-nov-17th-2025-runway-excursion-aircraft-in-flames#

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deltaisaforce@reddit

From Avherald:

Kolwezi Airport features a runway 11/29 of 2410 meters/7900 feet length and mainly serves the local copper mine. However, the threshold of runway 29 was displaced by 1000 meters due to work in progress on the runway.

So they landed in a construction site ditch it seems like.

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testaburger1212@reddit

Passenger video of approach, landing and runway excursion

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DarwinZDF42@reddit

This should be higher up. So off the runway, rear gear collapse...back onto pavement? And the scraping caused the fire?

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brianwski@reddit

Passenger video of approach, landing and runway excursion

I really have to praise the cameraman for that. It's a little shaky video, but he keeps filming and pans around in the window. I'd be gripping the seat ahead of me and not a camera.

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gharveymn@reddit

Wow, the proximity of that radio tower at 1:26 is shocking.

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systemofaDON@reddit

Didn't they just have a major collapse at a cobalt mine yesterday? Now the minister of mines is involved in a crash landing! Not suggesting the incidents are related of course but what a terrible time to be a mining associate in DRC!

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Specialist-Many-8432@reddit

Bruhhhhhh I was thinking the same thing , 👀

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Darksirius@reddit

Minister of Mines sounds so Harry Potter lol.

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nicerob2011@reddit

Lol it does!

[Puts on nerd glasses] Of course that makes sense since both the Ministry of Magic and many governments are both based on the British government which divide responsibility up into ministries in the same way the US government uses departments/agencies

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CavalrySavagery@reddit

There’s no such coincidences in those countries…

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Disastrous-Power-699@reddit

Get this guy away from everything

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Prod_Red@reddit

On Saturday actually, I believe.

I wouldn't bother be surprised that the government officials were visiting the site of the nine accident. Kolwezi seems to be the nearest airport.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqx3n7nq1d9o

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/11/16/world/democratic-republic-of-congo-bridge-mine-collapse-intl-latam

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BroHungary@reddit

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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Partridge_Pear_Tree@reddit

I’m glad to hear everyone got off. That’s awful.

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ndksv22@reddit

Doesn't look like an Airjet anymore.

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amber_room@reddit

Thank you for the info.

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EngPilotNerd@reddit

Surprising to me that the rear landing gear appears collapsed, but front gear is fine.

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Gb_packers973@reddit

Despite this crash - its amazing that this plane has zero fatalities

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Lost-Actuary-2395@reddit

Honestly how do we stop people from getting their bags over others life?

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JimTheJerseyGuy@reddit

Fucking people. The plane is ON FUCKING FIRE!!! Leave your shit, and MOVE!!!

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randamm@reddit

There seems to be increasing evidence that people simply cannot do this. For many people their carryon is equivalent to their life.

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Cmdr_Shiara@reddit

Get rid of carry on, might be the only solution

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peteroh9@reddit

As far as I'm aware, there has only ever been one flight to actually have bags blamed as causing deaths (Aeroflot 1492). Yes, we should try to minimize the number of people who grab bags because it very conceivably could result in deaths. But how far should society be willing to go to prevent a miniscule number of deaths?

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fizzyanklet@reddit

Yeah I wouldn’t be standing that close filming a plane that could, I dunno, explode.

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Retro-scores@reddit

I’d be looking like forest gump

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Eeebs-HI@reddit

Maybe they could grab a quick departure beverage on the way out as well.

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Poopy_sPaSmS@reddit

If ever someone is grabbing their bags while a plane is on fire, they're getting a punch to the throat.

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Early_Sea_9457@reddit

Got into a spat with someone awhile ago about how pathologically selfish it is to grab luggage in an emergency and they called me classist because “what if they can’t afford another suitcase” ok well guess I’ll just die of smoke inhalation

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MCWoody1@reddit

Has anyone seen a video of a plane crash evacuation in which a preponderance of people are not getting their bags while they evacuate?

Given that, perhaps we should step back and ask ourselves why so many people are collecting their belongings despite the obvious and very present danger? Is it an actual choice or are we watching reflexive instinct? Has adrenaline and base reactions taken over these people or is every last one of them the greedy bastards this r/ makes them out to be?

Since there are so many experts here in the comments, maybe someone who was in a fiery plane crash and cooly left their bags behind can walk us through their personal experience and their decision making process?

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TeeDotHerder@reddit

I think it's pretty simple. Losing your bag, and therefore identifying documents, personal devices, etc is a giant pain in the butt.

In aviation, all emergencies are the biggest emergencies. But really they don't have to be, except there is a low, but non zero, chance of the plane going up in flames so everyone must evacuate immediately. Liability.

This means in emergency situations where everything is fine, you have people grabbing their stuff out of habit and out of fear of not ever getting it back. When you're in an emergency situation where the plane is on fire and you can make a 15 second choice to save all your stuff and yourself versus just yourself, many will choose the extra time.

15 seconds multiplied by 180 people on a standard A320/B737 or the 400 or 500 or 600 people on A380/B747 means everybody dies. So obviously it's a selfish act that will kill people.

My solution would be some sort of governmental act. If you're in a plane crash, you get FREE priority replacement of your IDs. Banks are forced to send you replacement cards overnight. Any institution you're a member of, must resend the card overnight as well. A cash stipend of $1k per person to replace cash in the wallet. All devices and bags claimed to have are immediately reimbursed at full replacement value, not depreciated value of only what you can prove with receipts.

I believe if people could let their life burn knowing they will get it all back tomorrow without months or years of paperwork, many fewer would grab their bag.

Go through what you have in your bag on a plane and try to imagine how long it would take you to replace. Probably at least a few months of extreme headache. Pretty much everything you need to get the other thing you need, burned to a crisp. How do you prove to the DMV who you are to get a new driver's license? Passport burned. How do you request a new birth certificate when your driver's license and passport have burned? It's these ridiculously stupid chains of dependencies that cause issues.

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MCWoody1@reddit

Completely missing the point.

We aren’t witnessing rational decision making. We aren’t witnessing people who are calculating the cost/benefit of replacing a phone charger.

This is fight or flight response in action; base human reaction in the most stressed of stressful responses. It’s the result of years of being ingrained with “stand up in a plane / get stuff” reactions.

At the :40 second mark of the video, by my count 10 or 11 of the 16 passengers visible are carrying bags. Are they all greedy rat bastards worthy of our scorn?

Or does 68% of people doing the exact same thing suggest that there’s a broader issue here? I don’t really think that nearly 3/4 of the world are arse holes so maybe - just maybe - it’s not about conscious human choices.

We should all check our judgement until we’ve been through a plane crash and can say with pride we didn’t grab our belongings.

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peteroh9@reddit

I think we just all need to sit back and admit that we're all better people than 98% of everyone who is on a plane that crashes, and therefore plane crashes must be divine retribution from God. Because if that's not true, then we have some much more significant truths to confront about our egos. Which we don't. That would be preposterous.

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sl4ssh@reddit

Safest aviation manufacturer on the planet. Period.

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President_Camacho@reddit

Looks like the captain was the first off that plane. No one stayed behind to ensure safe debarcation.

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EpiphyticOrchid8927@reddit

looked a little fast on the descent?

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EricBelov1@reddit

Is that the captain with a bag in front of the camera?

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Full_heat@reddit

I count 4 stripes!

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Swingdick69@reddit

“Evacuate!!!”

“Yes, but first let me get my luggage from the bins “…

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Slight_Bed_2241@reddit

This is in the DRC. Things arent as easily replaced on Amazon as most of us are used to. Many of them could’ve had most if not all their belongings.

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EpiphyticOrchid8927@reddit

could have been their entire life in those bags

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Single_Reaction9983@reddit

They should just start locking the overhead compartments after takeoff until the plane is at the gate.

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Cilia-Bubble@reddit

Doing that will severely increase the danger of lithium battery fires. Not to mention chances are people will just try to open the compartments anyway and waste even more time.

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themerinator12@reddit

“Lockable in an emergency” is, in theory, what would work best then in instances where the immediate need is to evacuate the plane. I don’t know enough aviation history to know if there’s a documented incident where some loss of life in an evacuation could potentially be attributed to time spent by prior evacuees gathering their belongings. But regardless of actual precedent, the plausibility of it occurring in the future ought to be enough to warrant a change to the locking of overhead compartments during an evacuation. Every single flyer, in the terms and conditions of buying a plane ticket, should be agreeing to the forfeiture of overhead storage belongings in the event of emergency evacuation, with return of those items (with or without guarantee), in the event that they can be recovered after the emergency.

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Cilia-Bubble@reddit

We can never know for certain why passengers failed to evacuate in time, but Aeroflot 1492 is almost certainly such an example.

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Single_Reaction9983@reddit

Oh, right, i wasn't thinking about the battery stuff. The "trying to open" thing did cross my mind but i figure if it's implemented you'd be briefed on how it works.

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Navydevildoc@reddit

People don't listen to the safety briefing now when they are told to leave all their crap behind. Why do you think they will listen in the future?

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sharkbait-oo-haha@reddit

Look it like the bathroom. Have a little slide flight attendants can open. Make it kinda tricky like a baby gate latch and I will stump most people.

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theshallowdrowned@reddit

Say all this again with the correct words.

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sharkbait-oo-haha@reddit

Fuck me you are right. In my defence, it's 2am here, but I really should proofread.

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happyherbivore@reddit

Have normally closed switches held open during normal ops that lose power and lock in emergency situations

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Cilia-Bubble@reddit

That would solve the battery fire problem, but I still think it's more than likely people will just stand there trying to break the locks open instead of evacuating.

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pwnedgiraffe@reddit

That should be illegal

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XSC@reddit

My favorite shirt!!

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kilobitch@reddit

It’s a genuine Dan Flashes with a VERY complicated pattern!

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trixis4kids@reddit

omg great to see this comment

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HoleInWon929@reddit

My iPad! I only have 15 more payments left on it!

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dsdvbguutres@reddit

Hold on, I'm recording.

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guesswho135@reddit

Did anyone else think the very beginning of the video was about to play For What It's Worth by Buffalo Springfield? That first note is dead on accurate.

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Full_heat@reddit

OMG 100%

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wikowiko33@reddit

Am I wrong to say they are still wayyyy too close to an AEROPLANE ON FIRE?

Dammit good band name

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Full_heat@reddit

As long as they're upwind, they're fine

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radarksu@reddit

Many people in the video are moving farther away still.

I mean, contrary to movies, jet fuel doesn't really "explode" unless it it under a lot of pressure, heat, or aerosolized.

In this case the fire will probably grow larger as is spreads throughout the aircraft, certainly when it gets to the fuel tanks in the wings. I'd be more concerned about being up wind as much as far away.

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wikowiko33@reddit

Absolutely agree and great facts. Unless I am standing infront of a burning plane.

Also all you need is some idiot with a few batteries in their suitcases

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ThatWasntChick3n@reddit

Overshot the runway by a large margin.

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Prod_Meteor@reddit

Sando.

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mduell@reddit

Why don’t the front and rear burn like the cabin does?

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jtsrgmc@reddit

It looks like one guy thinks about going back to the plane for whatever reason, maybe to help others or grab stuff, but than decides “nope” better not as the flames move quickly up fuselage towards the open door. Not sure that’s an incorrect action to take.

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canteloupy@reddit

The filming guy tells him "leave it, we will get another!" I think it's his friend and he is waiting for him.

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jtsrgmc@reddit

Oh, thanks for the additional detail, I was wondering what they were saying to each other. Makes sense. Thank you!

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Money4Nothing2000@reddit

What are all these dumb motherfuckers doing with their hand luggage?

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lhstrh@reddit

Holding on to their dear ~~lives~~ luggage

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Ok-Possible9136@reddit

Everyone seating in the back had enough time to get out that plane.

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DataGOGO@reddit

what is it with dumb people and grabbing their bags?

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RedditBurner_5225@reddit

Today?

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chuckop@reddit

Leave your bag, make sure you are safe, help others.

Then, and only then, dig out your phone and record.

Escaping a burning aircraft one handed is foolish.

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Upper_Cut_3337@reddit

Must have been a great job by the pilots to have managed this !!

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SFOOAK@reddit

Posting videos of this sort of thing is poor form. It encourages people filming in situations like this. This should get buried.

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misha_jinx@reddit

Well. 1. Good luck stopping that, and 2. A lot of times is good that there are several independent records of something happening.

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Technical_Anteater45@reddit

Just casually calling out in three languages…

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lordblum@reddit

Last place on earth I'll ever board a plane

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okaterina@reddit

Alarm

Vite vite => Fast, Fast

Ma mamamam

Donne donne => Either give, give or a surname

Laisse laisse => Leave it, leave it

Senio (3x)

Donne Donne Laisse => Give (or Surname), Leave it

On va trouver un autre => We are going to find another

Donne Allons y => Give (or Surname), Let's go

Dégagez de là s'il vous plaît Dégagez ! => Get out of here please, get out of here !

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Terrain_Push_Up@reddit

The last time we witnessed something eerily similar to this, Nicolas Cage was on the plane and Ethan Hawke rushed to meet him.

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HabANahDa@reddit

Why are there always people who have their luggage with them when evacuating??

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plantsadnshit@reddit

Good thing everyone got their bags and suitcases out, it important to take care of your belongings.

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ninjazee124@reddit

Did that mf think of going back to get this bags?

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NxPat@reddit

Might take into consideration that airlines in this region probably don’t have the same insurance/compensation policies as 1st world countries do. I’d imagine most are business travelers who knows how much of their livelihood they are carrying.

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MichiganKarter@reddit

They were a government delegation carrying the money to pension off survivors, widows, and orphans of a mining disaster. Leaving that plane empty handed would, very clearly, not have been preferable to dying in an inferno.

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Asleep_Case9091@reddit

None of the people with their bags should be allowed to fly again.

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MichiganKarter@reddit

Those bags had the cash payments for the widows and orphans of a mine collapse. If the government officials had gotten off the airplane without them, they would have, justifiably, literally, been dismembered by the public.

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assface421@reddit

Was watching the video with the sound off and all I heard was "Nothing beats a Jet2 holiday". I have had enough internet for a while.

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Unlikely_Cattle_6431@reddit

I'm climbing the F over anyone grabbing a dumbass bag on the way our if a burning plane

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ttystikk@reddit

It looks like there was enough time for everyone not injured in the crash to get out. We're there injuries? Fatalities? Does anyone know yet?

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Abject-Unit-5352@reddit

I have the impression that the only solution to prevent people from stopping the evacuation to retrieve their carry-on is to ban all types of luggage in the passenger compartment. I know it sucks, but I wouldn't be surprised if it comes to that someday.

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guidomescalito@reddit

thankfully there were no austrians blocking the exit yelling at the stewards that they had everything under control.

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EdwinMcQ@reddit

A partial solution to the bag problem is a locking mechanism on the overhead bins that is engaged during take off and landing. I'm not sure what to do about bags under the seat, but impeding people from a plane during an emergency should be a crime and lead to a lifetime air travel ban. It might help if a few passengers beat the crap out of some these folks with bags.

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NoobToobinStinkMitt@reddit

How they do in the DRC yo. I'm kidding. Glad there were no injuries or fatalities.

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BrilliantHyena@reddit

Not a great day in the DRC

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BrightCover9941@reddit

No bags where hurt during the making of this video 🙄

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FreeSeaSailor@reddit

Could you not record the accident from about 54395809489 steps back and not have an incredible video? Do you really need to stand 10 steps away from a potential explosion just to get a video?

Also people who grab luggage during plane accidents deserve to be left behind.

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Icy-Worldliness5570@reddit

Camera man never dies; also good data for the crash report

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draculasbitch@reddit

Make flying safer and more enjoyable: eliminate overhead bins and lock all seats in place. Require carry-on to fit under seat. You have to go to carousel - oh well.

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2CatDadinSF@reddit

These dumb jackasses that film while evacuating.

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slogive1@reddit

Let's all grab our bags and take a picture. Sheesh.

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bigbouncybelly@reddit

Glad to see there were survivors on this one.

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Placid_Observer@reddit

"Any landing you can walk away from..." and all that.

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Intelligent_Radish15@reddit

It sounded like the intro to “For what it’s worth” For a second there in the beginning.”

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fannyabdabs@reddit

LEAVE YOUR F-ING BAGS! Have we learned nothing from BOAC712?

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elderberrycapers@reddit

that siren at the beginning - though it was "Buffalo Springfield - Stop Children What's That Sound" about to play

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Admirable_Evening_76@reddit

Just another day in Africa

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Virtual_Plenty_6047@reddit

ERJ is such a strong aeroplane, others would be in 2 pieces.

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madman320@reddit (OP)

I remember an accident many years ago involving an ERJ-145 that made a ridiculously hard landing (-1,800 fpm!!!) due to pilot error in Brazil. Landing gear didn't collapse, the fuselage twisted at the rear but didn't completely break apart. I feel that other aircraft would have had their landing gear collapse and turned into a fireball, hitting the ground at that rate of descent.

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ddadopt@reddit

"In the event of a water landing, your seat cushion may be used as a floatation device. In the event of a belly landing where the aircraft is on fire, please make sure to remove your phone from your pocket, activate video camera mode, and begin recording before attempting to exit the aircraft. Please take a minimum of two bags while attempting to exit the aircraft to ensure obstruction of the aisles and hindered egress for the maximum number of passengers."

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nspy1011@reddit

The plane is on fire and might explode in a fireball!!!!!

Oh is that so….let me move a step back and continue to shoot a video! 😀

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PineStateWanderer@reddit

Looks like the pilot did an impressive job

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cstross@reddit

Per the Aviation Herald report this was not a regular flight -- the plane had been charted by the Ministry of Mines and was transporting the minister and a delegation of officials to a mine that was the site of a bridge collapse that had claimed 40 lives.

Per the report (linked) everybody evacuated safely without injuries, the plane burned down off the runway.

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kytheon@reddit

"This one's going on my insta"

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IuIulemonofficial@reddit

Ladies and gentlemen brace for impact! Then grab your bags and belongings!

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N00B_N00M@reddit

Unicef need to start adding below lines in Primary textbooks :

"If plane is on fire , dont go and grab your cabin baggagge, instead go and evacuate and follow directions of plane staff"

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Neptune7924@reddit

Hey bud, there’s a lot of stuff in there that can go boom, you prolly need to be running away rn, fr.

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kabayomi@reddit

All over the world people are the same. I wonder how they all reach that golden conclusion of grabbing a handful of luggages rather than escape impending doom.

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stick004@reddit

It’s a natural reaction… science has already proven that people don’t use logic in these situations. Logic says leave your stuff. Your brain in flight mode says save your stuff.

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dvcxfg@reddit

Forgot to put the landing gear down again dammit Samir you are breaking the plane!

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Eaton_snatch@reddit

i wonder if this was a targeted attack on the "minister of mines"??

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sportmonday@reddit

Phones make us soo stupid….

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savoytruffle@reddit

It is interesting to have video. But good god, y’all run for your fricking lives, this is a jet plane on fire!

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jinx_jinx@reddit

Do yall hear the arty sims in the background?

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ndksv22@reddit

Not an Airjet anymore.

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Grifini@reddit

Those mfs with their bags

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JayGerard@reddit

All these people worried about their carry-on bags more than their lives. Our society has become so damn stupid.

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maybethisiswrong@reddit

Don’t help just film…

Can’t believe someone took out their phone to start recording WHILE trying to get off the plane…

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LayerSure6874@reddit

No not really and based on your response I think you're full of shit and in person you wouldn't have nothing to say So get off your high horse behind the internet because of person you're a bitch 🖕

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Thomas71999@reddit

I wish more people would help rather than record. However, maybe flight staff instructed them to clear out once off the plane.

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m-in@reddit

Most people without training in emergency situations turn into right morons when shit goes south (that includes me sometimes too). I doubt there’s any useful help they could provide.

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M-Bernard-LLB@reddit

Flight attendants should scream: Landscape people, landscape.

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Dino_Spaceman@reddit

My sister takes all photos portrait and I have repeatedly reconsidered if she is secretly my most evil sister.

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Klutzy_Kutz@reddit

Can’t believe they removed this. Was hilarious.

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jonometal666@reddit

Leave your bags and get off the FUCKING BURNING PLANE 😡😡😡😤😤

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Mr_Madrass@reddit

We see this every time a plane crashes, people will bring their luggage no matter what. Please start locking the compartments.

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Exact_Risk_1300@reddit

People sometimes forget materials can be replaced but life can't, at the same time in cheaper and poorer parts of the world materials can't be replaced because what they have is all their lifes savings

Unfortunate but that's life, you may have the fortune of replacing things, some people don't

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GITS75@reddit

Evacuating by the rear which was engulfed by fire and smoke...

Taking your carry-on...

Filming while evacuating. Or not from a safe distance...

Yeah well they filled every box of the what you mustn't do during an evac form...

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SalsaForte@reddit

Let me film this up-close waiting for it to blow in my face!

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Young_Economist@reddit

We need colonel Erulin now to get them out again.

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EspiM777@reddit

So glad the bags made it out safely.

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Blumi511@reddit

This is the right footage you have to show your fellow passengers while boarding an aircraft.

Thank you!

I now have a free row all to myself

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m00f@reddit

A comment on instagram says everybody is OK, I have no confidence that it is a reliable source, but hope it is accurate:

Bonne nouvelle : tous les membres de la délégation ont réussi à évacuer l’avion avant que les flammes ne s’intensifient. [Good news: all the members of the delegation succeeded in evacuating the plane before the flames became too intense.]

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Aught_To@reddit

Wow, survived a crash and saved the bags.. go buy a lotto ticket

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Chaxterium@reddit

Well shit. That ain’t good.