Aircraft that should be entering mass production in 2026
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Boeing 737-MAX10
The longest if the MAX family, this aircraft has seen significant delays to its certification process, but despite this, it is actually one of the most successful variants with hundreds of orders from major airlines such as American Airlines and Ryanair.
I personally find this aircraft quite cool looking, it's weird to see a 737 almost larger than a Boeing 707. Never did I ever think that would happen.
Boeing 737-MAX7
Probably the worst 737 MAX variant die to its massive delays. Originally built in 2018 and still has yet to gain it's certificate. This aircraft is mainly going to be enrolled by southwest airlines.
I find the MAX7 quite a goofy looking aircraft, I just know it's power to weight is going to be absolutely ridiculous, especially because the MAX8 is already overpowered.
Ilyshian IL-96-400M
Essentially the Russian equivalent to an Airbus A340-300 despite actually being older. This aircraft actually traces its routes back to the IL-96-300 but has been stretched. And the IL-96 itself is actually a modernisation programme of the IL-86 which was quite popular. The -400M is essentially a standard -400 but with a few minor changes, it still has a 3 crew cockpit and suffers from its very outdated design.
I've always liked the look of the IL-96 but I can't help but think this aircraft is a lost cause. So it's essentially a stop gap if all the western made aircraft such as many Boeing 777's are too expensive to repair. Russia's answer to the sanctions which have been placed on them. This aircraft wouldn't be successful otherwise. So far there is an undisclosed amount of orders, but the airframe receives regular testing, although that might be for the -400PU variant which is planned.
Irkut MC-21-310
Russia's newest airliner, which on paper actually looks pretty good. But in reality it suffers from the same issues which all Russian aircraft have. They simply don't compete. This aircraft was designed to go ain't the A321 or 737-900, however it's delayed certification and recent sanctions have caused the programme to massively change. The original -300 variant will likely never be ordered, rather the -310 variant which is all Russian made will only enter production.
Another aircraft which I must admit, I do like the look of. But again it's another case of relying on sanctions to work. So far there are a few hundred orders but it's only by the state owned airlines and companies. So it's not exactly the most successful of it's bought by its own producer just under a different brand.
Tupolev TU-214
Essentially the exact same as a TU-204 however these are built at a separate plant by a separate firm. Although the whole aircraft is still controlled by the state owned cooperation known as UAC. This aircraft's entire purpose is built upon the sanctions. It is an outdated platform that originated from the late Soviet era, and was essentially developed as a direct alternative to a Boeing 757, with most of its development probably coming from intelligence gathering. This aircraft has over a hundred orders from Siberian Airlines which will use it to replace their A321neo's.
Always found this aircraft interesting, in fact these actually came with Rolls Royce engines at one point, which made them identical to a Boeing 757. Those are long gone though. But I can't help but think this is a third cry for sales from the state owned company. It just completely relies on the dependency of sanctions to gain sales. There isn't anything really wrong with this aircraft, it's just way too outdated, if it came out earlier, and from a better reputation then it would have been successful.
Airbus A330MRTT+
Built on the A330-800neo platform, this new build will be the spiritual successor to the current MRTT which is based on the -200 airframe. This is actually quite a significant achievement from Airbus because the -800N is actually their worst selling product ever. The Malaysian air force will be the launch customer.
Really happy for this, the A330neo programme has suffered some interesting history because of its late start, Boeing initially won the stage with their earlier 787 but Airbus is now gaining more and more orders as time progresses. I really look forward to seeing these ever service.
Airbus A350-1000ULR
Basically an A350-1000 but with extra ACT tanks, less cargo space, and the longer wingtips which are currently only found on the -900. This air9should also feature a walkaround space to stretch your legs on the 20+ hour flights. Qantas will be the launch and only customer, and they will fly them from Heathrow direct to Sydney.
Excited for this, my friend assembled the wings for these. They actually feature a slightly different wing structure due to the extra fuel weight, this same structure will be used on the A350F.
Boeing 777-200LRMF
A new converted freighter built on the 777-200LR platform is taking to the skies. It's essentially a 'BCF' but manufactured by Mamouth Aerospace hence the 'MF' prefix. The largest operated will be Qatar, with Emirates closely behind.
A single example is actually being converted in Manchester by STS Aerosystems.
Yakovlev SJ-100M 'SuperJet'
Basically an all russian SJ-100 with new PD-8 engines. This aircraft should also come with some new blended wings and a more spacious cabin. This aircraft is another sanction based development, but it is also just a generic refresh that was always planned. This upgrade gets rid of all the Airbus systems and french engines in replace for all Russian systems and a downscaled PD-14 from the MC-21.
I actually always loved the Superjet. It was originally developed by Sukhoi as the SU-95 but after the 2014 war the branding was changed to avoid controversyans to rebuilt the programme, Yakovlev took over the project and rebranded it as the SJ-100. I used to see these regularly as a kid and I even flew on one, they were surprisingly rather good but their unfortunate origins were their fate.
Airbus A350F
Not to enter service until 2027, but due to requiring a whole new certificate to operate, it is planned to built multiple airframes to speed this development cycle.
Super looking forward to this. I've been waiting a very long time for it to see the light of day. I really hope that this aircraft sees the best future. It is about time Airbus attempt to dominate the cargo market again.
AceCombat9519@reddit
Really impressive and I see the Max 7 fitting for WN/UA
mr_bots@reddit
United has ordered over 500 Max planes, the largest number behind Southwest, none of them are the -7 while Southwest has over 300 -7s ordered. Last I checked the orders of the -7s were around 330 so it’s mainly just Southwest and a few small orders here and there.
AceCombat9519@reddit
Ok then and what would Scott Kirby do replace his aging A319-131s B737-724s? Previous CFO Laderman had proposal in 2021 about the Max 7
Left-Cap-6046@reddit
Shouldn't the Il-96-400M be converted to a twin engine configuration and perhaps a new wing to be viable ? After all, it's pretty much Russia's version of the A330 and 777.
ketchup1345@reddit (OP)
No point in developing an entirely new engine for that. It's not a guaranteed success aircraft it's just a stop gap. This aircraft performs almost identical to the A340-300.
Left-Cap-6046@reddit
Russia is already developing the PD-35 engine, they could use that
Least_Design_7295@reddit
I hear that Russian -crafts gotta get in mass production four recent years. (Especially MC-21 since 2016). I'm already just having fun with how awkward it's getting every next year. If serious, it's sad.
ainsley-@reddit
I’d love to see a nationalist Russians incredibly biased view and explanation for why these aircraft keep getting delayed and what to expect from them. Would be a very interesting perspective to see….
tbdwr@reddit
Evil anglosaxes are doing their best to delay and sabotage the mass production. Otherwise, we would have already colonize Mars.
Here, it's that simple. Incredibly stupid but, hey, it works!
Dalnore@reddit
I believe Russia delivered exactly 1 (one) passenger jet after 2022 sanctions so far, a Tu-214 in the VIP configuration to be used by the Ministry of Industry and Trade (RA-64535). They also finished several SSJ-100 in 2022 using remaining foreign components.
Easy_Money_@reddit
Every time the 737 MAX 10 delivery date slips further, an Alaska executive gets its wings 🪽
Are there any advantages to the MAX 7 and MAX 8 being so overpowered? Just increased range?
akdanman11@reddit
I just flew with Alaska, 737-900 on the way out and a 737-890 on the way back. Great planes that really wanted to get in the air honestly. I know Boeing has had its issues (thanks MD executives), but the mid 2000s 737s are such a great experience to fly on
Easy_Money_@reddit
Flighty says my most flown plane is the Alaska 737-800, definitely never felt uncomfortable on all those transcons
akdanman11@reddit
Alaska honestly has some great planes and crew. I’ve been flying with them since the flight was a 737 air combi out of middle of nowhere Alaska when I was a kid (honestly still sad that plane was retired, it was unique to say the least
flightist@reddit
Takeoff performance and getting to a higher altitude earlier in the flight (which both beget range).
Because the 737 has to do everything runway related faster and faster as it gets longer and longer, this is a complicated problem drawing more in than just thrust ratings, but putting 28k engines on the -8 (and -7) means they’re able to depart heavier off more runways more of the time.
The max is also heavier than the NG, so it needed a bit more thrust to do the same job. Because it’s got an improved wing and gained a tad more thrust than required to offset the weight it gained, you can take a max up a couple flight levels higher for the same load. Which is good because it doesn’t lose weight as fast.
Easy_Money_@reddit
Thanks, super interesting. Does this make the shorter planes better suited to high-altitude takeoffs like DEN as well, or is that not a factor?
Is this just a characteristic of 737s no matter the generation 😅
mattrussell2319@reddit
I’d have thought DEN’s 16,000 ft 16R/34L is not limiting for any 737 variant …
flightist@reddit
A functionally unlimited runway length still doesn’t help because while that lets you go faster before flying and accordingly take more weight into the air, there’s a crossover point where going faster just doesn’t help because you can only dump so much energy into the brakes in a high speed reject. Brake energy limits are the constraint in that case.
That’ll be the limiting factor at any higher elevation airport at some temperature for any 737 variant. An -8 might only run into that on a pretty hot day in Denver, but a -9 is probably brake energy limited
Easy_Money_@reddit
this is really interesting, thank you. if you don’t mind sharing, what’s your relationship to the aviation industry? I’m just an enthusiast but always keen to learn more
flightist@reddit
I’m a 737 pilot who’s also spent a lot of time teaching runway performance concepts.
mattrussell2319@reddit
Oh interesting, thanks for the correction!
Somewhat unrelated; I remember that incident at DEN where they were riding the brakes all through the inevitability long taxi to warm them up or something, and massively overdid it. It basically destroyed and screwed up the takeoff performance
Easy_Money_@reddit
oh right
flightist@reddit
It does, and DEN would definitely be included in that.
airmantharp@reddit
Where's the SU-57?
:wink: :wink:
ketchup1345@reddit (OP)
SU-57M I think you mean. Technically the SU-57 programs are still under development with progress happening slowly.
airmantharp@reddit
Mayhaps? Is there an aircraft overall type that is new in service that isn't still under development (new blocks etc.)?
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Square-Ad-6721@reddit
You missed 777X, which seems to be slipping from delivery from 2026. But is way ahead of some aircraft listed above. And already has several examples built.
Is likely to start mass production before end of 2026, even if deliveries are soon after.
GTOdriver04@reddit
I just visited Boeing Everett and it looks like they have quite a few that they’re finishing up.
CreativeCoder0@reddit
They end up parking them for years. There are Max7s in full Southwest livery that have been parked for 7 years now
TheWorldIsAhead@reddit
What happened?
DullMind2023@reddit
I counted 20 in September
RAMBIGHORNY@reddit
Boeing has a JV with Rockstar to coincide the 777X with the GTA 6 release
Expo737@reddit
Haha, thanks, I needed a good laugh.
spin-city@reddit
The 777X is going to go into full production in 2026 and it will be certified very soon after!
SeeYouOn16@reddit
They literally just announced it's delayed until 2027 and at this rate wouldn't surprise me if even that slips.
Square-Ad-6721@reddit
They already went through a very rigorous certification process. And already changed the bits that needed changing.
Now it’s mostly paperwork.
They’re literally almost at the finish line.
bioskope@reddit
Uhh what are you basing it on?
It’s only just entering the largest TIA phase, with two more phases still ahead.
Here's a quote from the Pope herself
Hardly "mostly paperwork" .
TigerUSA20@reddit
I was wondering where this went from the list!
Mike__O@reddit
What should be entering mass production is a facelifted 757 and another run of 747-8s, but that's not going to happen
Uturndriving@reddit
I've see talk of the 797 being the replacement for the 757.
GodsWorth01@reddit
The way things are within Boeing rn, I wouldn’t expect anything regarding 797 from them.
Adjutant_Reflex_@reddit
You wouldn’t expect anything because there’s no urgency to push the project forward, same thing is happening at Airbus right now.
Reality is, the current economics of the NGSA and 797 are dubious, at best. You’re looking at massive investments into clean sheet designs that are only offering marginal improvements over current offerings.
Expo737@reddit
It's the engines, there needs to be a massive leap (pardon the pun) in engine design in order to make a cleansheet aircraft worth it, the NEO and MAX are pushing the limit on what can be done with the current engine tech.
Adjutant_Reflex_@reddit
Yup, anything you draw up today would still be using the same LEAP/GTFs that are hanging off the wings today.
Rolls has, wisely, pivoted the UltraFan to a lower thrust class that would be a perfect use case for the single aisle market. If the brochure numbers are to be believed it would be net 10% improvement over its current competitors. But the demonstrator is still a few years off.
a_squeaka@reddit
boeing is cooked until all 737max and 777X kinks are worked out
strangebrew3522@reddit
I've heard the same...about 15 years ago.
n2bforanospleb@reddit
Why should the 747 re-enter production? It’s more expensive to operate and with increasing focus on emissions it’s not exactly a good contender to achieve that
Mike__O@reddit
Because you can't match its ability to haul shit. Twins simply have nothing on the 747. It's part of the reason the MD11 hung around so long. That extra power means substantially better cargo capacity
n2bforanospleb@reddit
777F seem to be doing just fine though
Mike__O@reddit
There's a reason Atlas is buying every 747 they can get their hands on. The 777F is no slouch, but it's still no replacement for a 747.
n2bforanospleb@reddit
Maybe because they can get them cheap, there are still quite a few 777Fs on backorder so you’d have to wait to get one of those. Don’t forget the A350F that should be coming out in the near future.
ainsley-@reddit
Because it’s badass as fuck😎
n2bforanospleb@reddit
Use that as a sales pitch at the major airlines, I’m sure they’ll be convinced once they hear that.
ainsley-@reddit
You’ve clearly forgotten why most airlines had to operate 747s in the 80s and 90s and why many went against the accountants to operate A380s…
n2bforanospleb@reddit
The 80s were 40 years ago though, times change, and I say that as a huge 747 fan
Cheezeball25@reddit
Both of which are decades old and nowhere near efficient enough to compete with modern designs. There's a reason that despite how much people like them, the 757 still wasn't kept around. And anything with more than 2 engines just doesn't make sense anymore.
Mike__O@reddit
Ah yes, the 757 was outdated and needed to go away to clear the way for a more modern design like the 737
Cheezeball25@reddit
Well yeah the 737 is outdated, and should have been replaced already anyways. But during a lot of the downsizing in aviation after 9/11, the 737 was the smaller more efficient option between the two, so the 737 stayed
Independent-Mix-5796@reddit
There will only be two new 747-8s that will ever be "produced", both of which will become VC-25B presidential transport aircraft. I'm not sure when the expected delivery date for those will be, but I think it's anywhere between 2027-2029.
Ramenastern@reddit
Those two aren't even new. They were originally built for Russian Transaero (I'm not joking), who went bankrupt before taking delivery. So the two new VC-25B weren't purpose-built, they were taken from storage and then went into the conversion process.
Independent-Mix-5796@reddit
Which is why I put "produced" in quotation marks, and as you said yourself, they're undergoing a conversion process. After that conversion, I am pretty sure that the only things that will still have mileage on them are the airframe and the engines... everything else from avionics to the cabin systems to even the fuel system (I'm guessing the new one, like the VC-25A, will be capable of in-flight refueling) will be brand new. All this considered... sure the VC-25B won't be "new", but it doesn't feel entirely fair to call them "certified pre-owned" either.
Ramenastern@reddit
No, they're more like the car with 5 miles on the odometer that the dealer had registered once and then sold to you at a discount because it's nominally pre-owned.
Well, except the "discount" part obviously doesn't apply for the VC-25Bs.
generictroglodytic@reddit
The Russian ones lmao
grain_farmer@reddit
Yeah. Even as an underdog it’s just depressing. I wonder what they did to the MC-21 which was heavily outsourced to European and other global oems
Dalnore@reddit
It became much heavier and its claimed range already fell from 5,100 km to 3,800 km. They claim it's perfectly fine for Russian companies. For comparison, the range of A320neo is 6,300 km, and of 737 MAX 8 is 6,500 km.
Expo737@reddit
Of course they claim that, anything else and they might spontaneously fall out of a window...
timster@reddit
How many of the A350s is QANTAS planning to buy? Seems like it’d be a lot of R&D investment for a single airline to buy to run on two routes.
StandardbenutzerX@reddit
They already did the same with the 900ULR, Singapore Airlines has ordered 7, a further 3 went to the German Air Force (although they underwent even more modifications) and there’s a single ACJ of K5 Aviation which is not even flying yet, but it should also be based on the ULR.
TheDrunkenMatador@reddit
Singapore Airlines already flies to NYC with their current inventory, which begs the question: what routes are they planning to use this for? O’Hare, IAH? Given that they already fly to both coasts for what’ll likely be cheaper fares which will be bought by people going to other US destinations, is there enough of an origin/destination market for those routes?
Expo737@reddit
IAH is doubtful, they did operate SIN-MAN-IAH on an A350-900 until earlier this year and ended up dropping the Houston leg due to poor loads, it was a real shame too as my flights from Manchester to Houston & back were the best I've ever had by a wide margin :/
Less than half of the passengers were staying on to do the full journey, not great when the cabins were already half empty on the transatlantic leg :(
That said, SQ do like to try new things out so maybe they would have a go at doing it direct and seeing if they can get the numbers to make it work :)
StandardbenutzerX@reddit
Currently they are flying to JFK, Newark and San Francisco, oddly enough both of EWR and JFK are served simultaneously. All routes are 14+ hours one way, so it will be more than a day until it the aircraft is back in Singapore. I didn’t check whether the routes are operated daily but this way the calculation of 7 ULRs makes sense
TheDrunkenMatador@reddit
I misunderstood your comment and thought you said SA had ordered -1000ULRs
ballimi@reddit
They ordered 12
n2bforanospleb@reddit
It might be a future A321XLR type aircraft where airlines might tend to operate thinner routes far away
jikesar968@reddit
As cool as the IL-96 is, Russia really needs a wide body twin jet. Maybe they're just hoping to get C929s from China once they're available but idk.
Left-Cap-6046@reddit
Well, Russia is working on the WBLA, which is essentially a Russian 787 and A350. But until then they should convert the Il-96 to a twin engine configuration, so that it acts as an intermediate aircraft until WBLA is complete and perhaps as a competitor to the A330 and 777.
Dalnore@reddit
C929 is still only a project, and if sanctions remain as they are, they likely won't be able to supply it due to the threat of secondary sanctions on Western components which it will likely use. For example, China can't supply C919 to Russia.
mikasch29@reddit
Quality post. Thanks for writing an explanation for each aircraft, really interesting to read the background behind them!
Emperor-Penguino@reddit
The 777X is already in mass production. They are making 2-3 a month right now. The tarmac at Paine Field is covered in them.
ketchup1345@reddit (OP)
Are they actually making 2-3 a month or are they just finishing off the already made airframes that have sat in storage for multiple years. If so that's not massive production, that's pre production. Because right now Boeing is primarily building 777F airframes.
Emperor-Penguino@reddit
Yes they are actually making 2-3 brand new planes a month. I work closely with Boeing and we make production line machines for them. They were going to ramp up in January but with the delays some of that is pushed out.
ketchup1345@reddit (OP)
Do you have a source or any images that can prove this to be factually correct? Because I can't find anything online.
Emperor-Penguino@reddit
All I can say is to look at Google Maps around Paine field. All of the white tail unpainted airframes are 777X. There are dozens of them out on the tarmac. I am in the factory regularly working with different teams across the whole production line.
ketchup1345@reddit (OP)
So far zero Boeing 777-9X has been manufactured. The newest airframe (N2007L) which took flight not long ago was actually in storage for over 4 years as an incomplete airframe. You can see the production list here
All these aircraft have been stored for multiple years at the factory. You can actually see the vast majority of these aircraft highlighted in red which are parked in various unused areas of the airport. Every other 777 in this image is a 777F
These aircraft are all pre-production because they haven't been certified yet, and the unfortunate fate is that they might be waiting a few more years. All these aircraft are now suffering from environmental wear and structural damage due to the high humidity climate that they have been stored in. And they won't receive any GE9X engines anytime soon because of the design changes required.
Hummerdoodle@reddit
The Boeing factory in Everett WA, has been building a 737 line and will start cranking them out soon. Until then, it's just 767s and 777s there.
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TheDrunkenMatador@reddit
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caverunner17@reddit
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Puravida1904@reddit
Man I gotta get a ride on the IL-96
neovb@reddit
I flew one on a domestic flight in Russia back when Aeroflot was still operating them on long-haul flights within Russia. It wasn't anything particularly memorable aside from the fact that it was an IL-96, and I wouldn't have recommended it to anyone.
If you want to fly in one now, your only chance is Cubana.
Ramenastern@reddit
We went to Cuba ages and ages ago. I was actually looking at Cubana for the chance to fly an Il-96. Did some research, checked the prices they charge and decided against it. Ended up going on KLM - the only time I was on an MD-11, which was quite memorable because on the flight back, the A/C was acting up and we were freezing the whole 10+ hours to Amsterdam. Cool that I could tick the MD-11 box, but when I learned KLM was retiring them a few years later, my immediate reaction was "good riddance". Now, that Cuba holiday also gave me a chance to fly an An-24 and an An-26 (one of which was a converted military plane with a rear ramp and windows only for every second row of seats - a plane that crashed a few years later when it was back in military service), making that whole trip a case of "that was interesting, let's never do that again" from an aviation perspective.
LupineChemist@reddit
They're not flying it translatlantic now. I believe it just flies to PTY.
The "Cubana" flights to Spain are operated by Plus Ultra (and marketed by Euroairlines who seem to exist solely for this purpose)
Ramenastern@reddit
Makes sense with only one in operation and the others parked. I was there some 15 years ago, I'm not even sure they had their fourth Il-96 yet.
Ustakion@reddit
Why wouldn't you reccomend it when conparing to airbus and boeing?
neovb@reddit
Aeroflots western fleet was actually really nice in the 2000s. But on the IL-96, it was like flying on an airplane that had never been updated since it was produced with the creature comforts of ultra low-cost carrier.
There wasn't anything particularly horrible about it. It was just a very generic and not exciting experience.
sofixa11@reddit
Not OP, but considering the age and when it was designed, there's no way in hell passenger comfort is good.
qdp@reddit
TIL the Ilyushin IL-96 is still in production since 1992 despite only 34 ever being built.
Ramenastern@reddit
It's just an interesting definition of "in production". I mean... We're talking 1 per year on average, and that's including the various prototypes and so on. And it's still officially in production despite the fact even Aeroflot retired theirs years ago, the last new delivery from factory was three years ago, and there are currently a grand total of five in commercial service around the world (3 with Cubana and 2 with a cargo airline), plus a bunch for the Russian government.
Tu-204/214 is basically the same story, and it looks like the sanctions ensure the MC-21 and SSJ will follow a very similar trajectory. Which is curious and sad, really. They spent so much time and effort to get the latter two developed, and have a shot at becoming competitive... And then, February 24th, 2022.
soniczi@reddit
I don't care for any of these aircraft anymore really, except for the MC-21. It's quite a shame we'll more than likely never gonna get to see its full potential. The Russian commercial aircraft of recent are huge disappointments to me. I was fairly new to the topic of aviation when Sukhoi were testing the SSJ and got my hopes up Sukhoi could actually enter the game there, but the SSJ project ended up being what felt like an unfinished story, even though it had potential imo. I remember seeing one operated by Brussels, which I believe was the only European airline flying them. As a Pole it feels quite surreal to me - I'm too young to have seen it, but just about 35 years ago LOTs fleet was made of Soviet-produced aircraft exclusively, but since the Union's collapse the industry never even shone once really...
Ramenastern@reddit
CityJet (Ireland) also had a few.
vorko_76@reddit
To be honnest the SSJ was a failure before 2022… and a russified version may have more success that the original
sofixa11@reddit
Failure, but still had time to improve. The main issues were around parts availability, which could be ironed out with time.
vorko_76@reddit
That was one point but on top of that the performance was very poor and customer support, even to get flight deviations was horrible.
Its hard to tell what would have happened without the war, but the SSJ had been in operations since 2011, not exactly a young programme.
Ramenastern@reddit
Fair enough, but it still has a production run - some 230 to date - far in excess of anything Russia/USSR did since the late 70s.
It gave them their first actual export sales to Western countries besides a couple of Tu-204 in the 90s that were leased out.
Failure wasn't so much with the SSJ itself as I remember but with the fact they couldn't provide proper support, ie maintenance services and parts, which meant the time on the ground vs time in the air ratio made them untenable economically, despite the fact Interjet said they paid as much for 10 SSJs as the pre-payment of a single A320 would have cost them. I think a bunch of former Interjet SSJs are still parked in Mexico, five years after Interjet's demise.
vorko_76@reddit
Delivers were slowing down before 2022 honestly.
But as for why it failed, yes support was poor, Aeroflot Technical Director even said they needed to wait 1 month for a windshield… But apart from that, performance was poor and range was reported to be half of the initial plan.
Ramenastern@reddit
Fair enough, but it still has a production run - some 230 to date - far in excess of anything Russia/USSR did since the late 70s.
It gave them their first actual export sales to Western countries besides a couple of Tu-204 in the 90s that were leased out.
Failure wasn't so much with the SSJ itself as I remember but with the fact they couldn't provide proper support, ie maintenance services and parts, which meant the time on the ground vs time in the air ratio made them untenable economically, despite the fact Interjet said they paid as much for 10 SSJs as the pre-payment of a single A320 would have cost them. I think a bunch of former Interjet SSJs are still parked in Mexico, five years after Interjet's demise.
NaiveChoiceMaker@reddit
State companies have a hard time going bankrupt.
chriske22@reddit
Best post I’ve seen on this sub in a long time lol
DJ-dicknose@reddit
One that should but won't be?
L10-11
Nissan228@reddit
! RED WINGS MENTIONED !
Main-Professor-6574@reddit
This is getting ridiculous.
ALA02@reddit
That IL-96 looks like something from the 60s, hard to believe that Russia is going backwards THAT much
ketchup1345@reddit (OP)
It's a really good aircraft for a 1980's design. But the 3 crew cockpit and the fact that they are trying to sell it in 2025 just makes the whole idea pitiful.
Velquix@reddit
Finally, some good news from Boeing—fingers crossed for smooth skies!
Few-Newspaper-3960@reddit
737 MAX here. Component assembly is being ramped up. A new night shift is being requested with new trainess being the bottle neck. Doubling of robotics is forecast.
Gullible_Chocolate95@reddit
The hashtags on A350-1000ULR seem tacky and written by a middle schooler.
Artess@reddit
#cringe
tarmacjd@reddit
Isn’t it a play on Qantas‘ tagline? Spirit of Australia or something
AnyClownFish@reddit
Qantas have been using ‘Our spirit flies further’ for years, and yes it’s because their standard tagline is ‘Spirit of Australia’. That part is entirely Qantas and not Airbus.
The part the other poster is referencing is ‘#Ultimate #LongRangeLeader’, which is facile
Consistent-Welder458@reddit
That's just typical Airbus moment. Anytime I read their promotional and marketing material it gives me 2nd hand embarrassment.
TommiHPunkt@reddit
a.k.a. marketing people
therocketflyer@reddit
They used to be better
therocketflyer@reddit
Much better
Lyravus@reddit
Truly, the livery for aviation nerds
StatisticianHot6297@reddit
Hopefully all the quirks and little quality issues will be well sorted out by the time the max - 10 and -7 get certified and we see a seamless entry into service
EmergencyGarlic2476@reddit
if the mc-21 begins mass production in 2026, ill chop my left arm off. Because I'm 737% sure it won't.
latestagepersonhood@reddit
The Russian Federation might not even last very far into 2026. this winter is going to test them.
PineappleGuy7@reddit
Remindme! 1 year
Top-Helicopter-7346@reddit
It depends on what you mean by mass production. I expect them to make 2-3 planes in 2026 at best, but realistically none.
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ProfessionalRub3294@reddit
Fight is quite close in Airbus for the worst selling product ever between A330-800 and A319neo.
ketchup1345@reddit (OP)
Technically the ATR 42-600S is their worst selling aircraft. But that actually got cancelled before they completed their first orders.
sofixa11@reddit
ATR is a 50/50 joint venture, so not part of the Airbus family per se.
Immediate-Spite-5905@reddit
I severely doubt the mass production for the Russian ones
ketchup1345@reddit (OP)
I will be very impressed if they make 10 of each plane.
yawara25@reddit
I'll be impressed if they make 1.
ywingcore@reddit
Paragraphs my guy.
InnerBreath2884@reddit
A330 neo looks pretty good. Can't wait to fly on these birds
Blankok93@reddit
It’s good but cabin maintenance is harder than older variants, from personal experience
Usernamenotta@reddit
I am actually excited to see how MC-21 will handle if it gets into production. I doubt any exports are going to come before 2027-2028, since Russia needs to quickly replace its Airbuses and Boeing's due to limited availability of spare parts. I disagree with the idea that 'it cannot compete'. There are many markets outside of Europe and US which might have a need for it. China, India, Iran and Middle East, Africa, South America etc. The biggest problems I am thinking of are not certifications, but the same ones that plagued the SSJ. It will all be a question of whether Russia can bring up the spare parts production to keep those things flying. Which is unlikely, since a lot of the heavy industry is now invested into military production
FatherVANSH@reddit
For the SJ-100 haters India signs pact with sanctioned Russian firm to build civil aircraft: REUTERS
_you-are-not-alone_@reddit
We need a 757 NG
Ramenastern@reddit
It's funny how this notion won't die.
Its been around since before the MAX/Neo launch, i.e. for about 15 years. It was incredibly unlikely then - 6 years after production had ended - as Boeing had got rid of some essential tooling to actually assemble the plane. Also worth remembering they stopped making it because it simply didn't sell any more. Boeing was pondering a new MOM (middle of the market) plane for ages but never committed to it, and at some point, Boeing just stopped talking about it.
Airbus never really talked about a new MOM plane, but they started working on extending the A321's range.
Fast forward to 2025, and the newest 757 in existence is 21 years old, while the A321(X)LR has pretty much got the 757 replacement market when it comes to the 757's "long, thin routes" profile.
Cheezeball25@reddit
A lot of people struggle with accepting that the 757 wasn't an efficient aircraft, and got too big to really be a narrow body without the advantages of a wide body.
Zbojnicki@reddit
Not gonna happen. This is not a big market and A321XLR has already taken it. Boeing is not going to risk another several billions and 5 years just to sell a dozen of them.
apocalyptia21@reddit
So when will Boeing start on their 737 replacement (NMA?), cause they reeaaally need those.
Arizonaman5304@reddit
The Boeing T-7A Red Hawk should be finally entering mass production in 2026
It was hit with delays due to the USAF changing the ejection seat requirements after Boeing had already finalized the design.
Real1Doge@reddit
The launch customer for the A330 MRTT+ is the Royal Thai Air Force, not the Royal Malaysian Air Force.
JFliesthe350@reddit
Also just as an update for the A350F, the first prototype (MSN700) has now left the final assembly line! The wings and tail are now attached to the full fuselage. Presumably next steps will be painting and engine installation.
Suitable_Boss8411@reddit
Amuse tale of MC-21 will never done. 🙈
Boundish91@reddit
Imagine that cockpit window surround and nose shape on the 737 has been around since the 50s, 70 years.
cyberentomology@reddit
Boeing has already built about 2 dozen Max7 units… they’re all chilling out at Moses Lake until certification, then they’ll fly them back to Seattle to finish them.
navigationallyaided@reddit
And Southwest has dibs on a few of those.
cyberentomology@reddit
They’re ALL southwest planes. They’re already painted. 7201 is the one exception, being the primary test article and prototype.
No-Fig-8614@reddit
You're also missing Comac as china enters the market in a big step.
9999AWC@reddit
The C909 and C919 are already in service. There is no new COMAC aircraft entering service in 2026
No-Fig-8614@reddit
I thought the title was mass production, not in service or not.
9999AWC@reddit
They're already being mass produced...
Bestage1@reddit
The CRAIC CR929 probably would've entered production in 2026 if it weren't for the COVID pandemic and later the Russia-Ukraine war.
Kevin-747-400-2206@reddit
The Comac C919 has already entered into the market and is being mass produced, so it wasn't included in the list.
9999AWC@reddit
I must ask why you say the MC-21 will be uncompetitive? Also it was built to compete with the NEO and MAX (and C919), not the CEO and NG as you allude to.
S0ME0N_E-@reddit
The -310 has an awful range and is too heavy
Kevin-747-400-2206@reddit
The -300 was going to be competitive against the latest Boeing's and Airbus planes, but unfortunately the international sanctions have caused significant issues, the Russian parts only -310 variant is a lot more heavier and is stuck with less efficient engines. So the aircraft is no more longer as competitive as it once was.
Designer_Buy_1650@reddit
Some good stuff. A lot of opinions not worthy. But, I thank you for sharing. Takes a lot of time to post. Bravo.
Scrota1969@reddit
The IL-96 is the presidential plane right? If so, I really love the look of it. The huge tailfin is awesome. Thank you for posting this. I have a lot of cool new planes to Google now. I don’t fly much but my dad flies a ton for work so we’ve always loved chatting planes.