YaST‘s sudden disappearance in SLES 16 is kind of crazy
Posted by StatementOwn4896@reddit | linux | View on Reddit | 25 comments
Before, you could do any server side configuration from the TUI and it was actually insane. You wanna join an AD domain? No worries, there a module for that. Wanna spin up a VSFTP server? There’s a module for that. Wanna configure global proxy settings? You bet your sweet ass there’s module for that. Now I feel like they took away everything that felt unique about SUSE Linux. Wicked‘s gone, YaST is gone, now we have Agama I guess. At least SELinux being included by default is pretty nice. Just a rant.
TxTechnician@reddit
Cockpit, it does suck that some of the tools don't have a repla ement. Like the NFS client setup tool from Yast, I mean it's just a config file. But still it was cool to have a GUI.
Ps11889@reddit
You could always write a cockpit module or pay someone to do it if it’s important to you.
Some-Studio3266@reddit
I mean sure, they also could pay someone to maintain Yast again or even to build a new OS to their liking. Don't think that's reasonable to expect of an end user though
ponderingpixi17@reddit
YaST's gradual replacement by Agama has been in the works for years, so its removal in SLES 16 isn't really a surprise. It will be interesting to see how the new web-based management tools evolve for system administration tasks.
icehuck@reddit
They'll be shit just like every web based tool.
rbrownsuse@reddit
To be frank, I think the vast vast VAST majority of the world, especially in the areas where SUSE sells SLE, have moved on from needing much human-interactive administration
It's also worth noting, one of SUSE's best selling products after it's Linux distro is "Multi-Linux Manager" (formerly known as SUSE Manager), which gives folk the ability to admin a whole fleet of servers. all of different distros, all at the same time.
That said, it's also clear that there's a bit of a gap between what YaST used to offer, what MLM offers today, and what non-MLM customers want.
But this gap is being filled more by mostly Ansible and similar tooling rather. The web-based tooling like cockpit will just be a frontend for those playbooks, and I expect most SUSE users will be interacting with the playbooks directly rather than via a web interface
prueba_hola@reddit
yast is the reason I loved SUSE... is terrible that they kill it
RepulsiveRaisin7@reddit
It's the reason why I hated SUSE, the yast UI was so bad. Couldn't even remove it from the system. I think Cockpit's design is much better, being completely optional and all.
dumpaccount882212@reddit
I've only used Opensuse but, YAST was my least favourite part. It was like someone had designed an app to do complex tasks but for folks who didn't feel comfortable hammering in random commands in a terminal - BUT they did it just as opaque. You had to find a wiki and random click/unclick things told to you by a stranger just like pasting a command in a terminal.
I'm not saying its a BAD thing, just that for my needs it was a copy of worst case scenario.
MelioraXI@reddit
My understanding is it wasn't killed per se but no one is maintaining it and no one wants to do it.
Big_Trash7976@reddit
Insane take. Yast is dog water awful.
carl2187@reddit
Suse got in bed with Microsoft all those years ago, they've never recovered from the community outrage.
Opensuse was one of my first distros and was one of the first to have out of box support for wacom drawing tablets (digitizer) of the windows xp tablet edition era. Fond memories of ol suse, but no reason to ever go back now.
Seeing yast go, the one thing that made them unique, is really odd. Are they just becoming a supported "fork" of RHEL now like Oracle linux is?
rbrownsuse@reddit
Fun fact - openSUSEs community contributions never declined, and actually INCREASED after SUSEs Microsoft deal
There was talk by some annoying British kid about forking openSUSE over the deal back in 2010..wonder what happened to him?
(spoiler: he’s me)
Ezmiller_2@reddit
So did you fork it? Wait, I just saw your Suse DA&A Dev title thing.
Business_Reindeer910@reddit
now, they have their own packages still, so they can't be a fork at all.
bullshitwascalled@reddit
Sorry indont use SUSE. I thought it uses zypper not yast? Does this mean no CLI installed packages and it all goes through the web interface?
Vladimir_Chrootin@reddit
Zypper is a package manager, YaST is a configuration tool.
LowOwl4312@reddit
Why pay programmers to maintain your USP when you can just use Red Hat's crap for free?
rbrownsuse@reddit
What if you couldn’t even pay developers to maintain your old relic?
MelioraXI@reddit
Sudden? It's been discussed for years in OpenSuse communities. IIRC its not been maintained in a long time as well.
rbrownsuse@reddit
Sudden?
Discussions about replacing YaST started in the summer of 2021
The first builds of what is now known as Agama came out Jan 2022
It’s a big change, sure, but not a sudden one by any stretch of any imagination
globulous9@reddit
yeah and SLES 15 came out in 2018, so all of this change happened in the tail end of one (1) major version
rbrownsuse@reddit
When do you expect changes of this scale to happen if it’s not in a new major release?
Major releases exist FOR major changes - no way we could do something like this in a minor one
Comedor_de_Golpistas@reddit
One the biggest mistakes SUSE has ever commited.
perogychef@reddit
YaST was nice but now with web based tools to manage your clusters it's not really required. And for desktop usage Linux supports pretty much everything out of the box nowadays anyway. So YaST is overkill.