ULPT How do I get unleashed dogs off of a school playground?

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Pristine-Ad-469@reddit

The whole point is that school is considered private property. No city tells you your dog has to be on a leash on private property lol that would mean that you can’t have a dog off leash in your own yard The school board typically owns the school. It’s up to the owner of the property to make the rules about what’s allowed on it unless the city / state has specific laws about what is allowed on school property or in a school zone

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Pristine-Ad-469@reddit

Schools are actually treated differently than typical public property. In many places the actual buildings are owned by the school board. It allows them to put more restrictions in place than is typical with public property Also why do you think you have more of a right to use it than they do? If the dogs are chasing your kid call the police for aggressive dogs. If there’s no rule against it they are just as valid to have their dogs there as you are your kid. School property is not subject to all city ordinances. They should put up signs saying dogs off leash are not allowed Until then you’re just making up rules and being a Karen

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pwniator@reddit (OP)

My kids aren't inherently dangerous. They're being Karen's losing their shit when I ask them to use a leash.

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Pristine-Ad-469@reddit

lol so you’re not being a Karen when you try and control their actions but they are when they don’t let you control them? Idk if you know what a Karen is. It’s not just someone that gets upset it’s someone that complains to try and control others And dogs aren’t inherently dangerous😂😂😂 that’s such a goofy thing to say lol clearly the issue here is you don’t understand dogs if you think they are “inherently dangerous” that’s hilarious

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pwniator@reddit (OP)

I'm not trying to control them. I'm asking them to be courteous. Not everyone wants a dog fucking with them. And yes, dogs are inherently dangerous. Especially to kids whos faces are right at muzzle level. I see dog bites almost daily in the ED.

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Pristine-Ad-469@reddit

You are attempting to dictate their actions. You can call it being courteous but that’s exactly the words Karen’s in videos use “I just wanted to be treated with respect” “I just wanted them to be courteous” ie excusing trying to control their actions Ah ok that makes sense you treat dog bites a lot i thought you had a super biased perspective so that makes sense Do you know what doesn’t come to the ED? Kids that don’t get bit by a dog. My dog has never bit anyone. Been around kids. Played with kids. Had kids mess with him. How is that possible if he is INHERENTLY dangerous? Either you don’t know what inherently means or you are wrong. It means it’s a key integral part of them. So that means kids would get injured being around dogs. Not might. Will. If they are INHERENTLY dangerous. My dog and all my friends and families dogs must just be absolute freaks of nature then You give me big time HOA vibes

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Killin-some-thyme@reddit

Ummmm….unleashed dogs in almost all cities are not allowed unless they are specifically designated places for that. This guy isn’t complaining about something stupid. It’s a serious thing- I know people who have suffered very significant injuries from dog bites. I’m a dog lover myself and own several, but this is negligent pet ownership. It absolutely is a lawsuit waiting to happen. I don’t know how this is being a Karen. This is being a properly concerned parent who is upset about people putting kids in harm’s way unnecessarily because they don’t want to follow rules. If a kid got bitten it would never hold up in court that a dog owner was on school grounds with an unleashed, violent dog but the school had no specific “no unleashed dogs” rule in place, and you know it.

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pwniator@reddit (OP)

Look, you've made a lot of good points and have honestly changed my perspective about this situation. You're right, "inherently" is the wrong word to use, however, the off leash dogs certainly come with increased risk. I don't have any great arguments for enforcement of leashes. I guess I just have a problem that the space no longer feels shared and it's just been taken over. Now, can you please explain the HOA thing? 😅

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Argh_Me_Maties@reddit

No you were right initially. The guy you wasted your time responding to is a fuckwit. Any animal is inherently dangerous and their actions can’t be predicted 100% of the time. He is one of those “my dog never hurt anyone” fucking asswipes. He probably lets his dog off leash in public places. Can’t really offer you advice since you don’t want to hurt the animals. There’s not much recourse for this situation that you haven’t tried already, like going through the proper channels and getting jerked around by different agencies where no one is willing to grow a pair and take responsibility for anything. If it were me, I’d carry a stick and whap any dog that came near me or my kids. If somebody gets uppitty you say that leash laws exist for a reason and (at least in my state) you can defend yourself against an unleashed dog. Because according to the law and not that dumbass motherfuckers hot take, an unleashed dog is a danger.

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pwniator@reddit (OP)

I don't live in a neighborhood with an HOA.

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Pristine-Ad-469@reddit

Lol the funniest possible response - you didn’t get it

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pwniator@reddit (OP)

Do you see you're also coming from an extremely biased perspective??? You're just the typical "my dog would never hurt anyone" dumbass.

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Pristine-Ad-469@reddit

No I didn’t say my dog would never hurt someone. I said my dog HAS never hurt someone. That is not biased. It is fact. He has had the opportunity to hurt people and kids but he hasnt. Which should be physically impossibly if he was inherently dangerous

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pwniator@reddit (OP)

Also by your interpretation I can just ignore all city ordinances as long as I'm on school property after hours? I guess I'll start smoking, burning trash and walking around nude since it's "treated differently than typical public property". I'm sure the school doesn't have specific rules about those things either. It's just bullshit to selectively enforce unpopular rules.

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Pristine-Ad-469@reddit

Aw nice try but all of your examples are either illegal in private property or have separate laws that specify they are illegal in a school

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pwniator@reddit (OP)

Touche. I'll just "feed" the dogs. I should be within my rights to do that.

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Pristine-Ad-469@reddit

Dude how are you this dumb that’s also illegal on private property to murder someone’s dog that’s animal abuse bro all over a hypothetical situation that hasn’t even happened to your kid

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breakfastbarf@reddit

Get a tennis ball launcher

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jepper65@reddit

High pitched noise to make the dogs hate the area. I know it's a boring solution, but contact the school and imply you'll sue if your kid gets hurt from the dog poo.

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TerrorChuahuas@reddit

…..hurt from the off leash dogs or the dog poo.

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jepper65@reddit

Username checks out. Either is fine.

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Icy_Huckleberry_8049@reddit

go around and spray BEAR spray everywhere

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x_lincoln_x@reddit

Get the city to make a fenced dog park.

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zomanda@reddit

I highly doubt there's much truth to this. School doesn't get out and the whole place shuts down. There's janitorial, maintenance, etc... they're not just going to let people leave their dog mess everywhere and not say anything. And people don't just let their dogs off leash at places where they're not supposed to if they think someone is going to call them out.

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pwniator@reddit (OP)

This is 100% a true story. I think some of the confusion comes from signage. The school has a sign that says "no dogs allowed during school hours or events". It doesn't specify about leashes. So the owners see this as a justification to be there after hours and assume off leash is ok. This is also the explanation I received from the worthless animal control, "it's confusing so I can't enforce it".

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AnneKakes@reddit

I would start off by explicitly asking the school to verify their policy. The local school to me has a big fenced in field, and also has a no dog policy during school hours, but off leash dogs are allowed outside of that.

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pwniator@reddit (OP)

I'll follow up but I'm sure there's just no policy. Also, how can the school make a policy this less strict than the local ordinance requiring dogs to be on leashes on public property? Also, there is no indication this is permitted. There's no mention of it being a pseudo dog park on the city's information about dog parks.

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AnneKakes@reddit

While yes, they are “public” schools, that doesn’t mean they can’t designate how the property is used. It’s not like a park that is completely open to the public. We have another public school close to us that closes the gates to the field and padlocks it outside of school hours. Both are run by the same district, but have different policies for out of school use.

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pwniator@reddit (OP)

Yes we have a similar situation. The inconsistency is annoying.

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shewee@reddit

When you talk to the school make sure you reiterate how dangerous and what a LIABILITY this is for them if they continue to allow it. I don’t really have any unethical tips, just make sure that’s your selling point. Danger.

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tongsy@reddit

I like this, OP could take it a step further to make it unethical and ask for the schools liability insurance information because a dog bit their child and the owner said that they had explicit permission from the school to be there.

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shewee@reddit

Now we're talkin'.

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Complex_Variation_@reddit

Wear thick shin guards underneath your cloths and let the dog bite you. Call the cops and ambulance and sue.

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AdRegular1647@reddit

I don't know why the downvotes. Perfectly unethical and this is ulpt. You'd score higher points, though, if you could incorporate piss disks and fart spray into your answer.

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Complex_Variation_@reddit

Thank you for your encouragement. Maybe carry piss spray and throw it at the dogs.

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Possible_Original_96@reddit

Go to school board, state board og health, etc

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jooooooooooooose@reddit

If the school allows it then the school allows it. You gotta work through them. Find another park in the mean time. If you just want to kvetch i sympathize but if youre hoping people are going to give you tips on how to poison a dog or whatever you gotta realize this isnt worth it

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pwniator@reddit (OP)

The school doesn't necessarily allow it, they just don't not allow it. I don't want to hurt the animals. It's not their fault. I just want some fucking courtesy from the owners. I work in healthcare and see dog bites almost daily in our ED. I feel like it IS worth it to protect the kids playing.

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Nemo2BThrownAway@reddit

To be clear, OP, which problem are you trying to solve? The dogs being present in the school yard? Dogs being unleashed in the school yard? The school yard being a minefield of dog excrement? Aggressive dogs attacking children? Dogs and children sharing recreational spaces? Improperly trained dogs? Lack of courtesy toward you from dog owners? Different problems require different solutions.

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AdRegular1647@reddit

Dried cat food sprinkled liberally about. Won't hurt the dogs but the ensuing scents that they produce will punish their negligent owners! Covertly place bacon flavored mashed potato flakes around the perimeter so that the dogs dig and disrupt the lawn to get to them. This will further demonize the negligent dog owners in the public eye and get some action started to put an end to the reign of the dogs. Take hard treat sticks and shove them down into the soil so that the dogs dig for them. Grab a squeaky toy and get the dogs all to chase you while someone takes video of the aggressive animals chasing you. Videotape all of the resulting mayhem and chaos and start lobbying fellow parents, the city council and school administration to put an end to it all and start enforcing leash laws.

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CleanProfessional678@reddit

I didn’t follow you until the second sentence, but that is 100% the kind of tip this sub is for. I have a large dog who loves cat food, but it doesn’t love him back 🤢

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Powerful_Bee_1845@reddit

Pepper spray. For the dogs AND owners

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Ok_Childhood_9774@reddit

Courtesy from dog owners can be as hard to find as a mall parking spot on Christmas Eve. But unless you can petition the school to put up signage *and* somehow get tgem to enforce it, I'm afraid you're out of luck.

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unsubstalker@reddit

wireless hole punches

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phatdragon451@reddit

Bring the soccer ball, baseball glove, 3 baseballs, and a bat. Any dog that chases your kid gets a warning, and then it's time for pitching practice.

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tongsy@reddit

Unpopular option, but get a can of dog repellent and give the owners one warning before spraying their out of control dog with it. Where I live (Ontario, Canada) if a large dog is chasing your child you are 100% justified if you end up spraying that dog with dog repellent. There's a greenspace I walk through with my dogs where several people in the neighbourhood let their dog run off leash (even though there's an off-leash park a few blocks away) and they'll inevitably end up harassing my on-leash dogs. I tried being polite and would get told off, tried being rude about it, but I sprayed one dog and now they leash their dog when they see me walking down the street. They know they're in the wrong and they get away with it because nobody stands up to their behaviour.

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4kitall@reddit

Get one of those air horn cans and start blasting the dogs

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Pristine-Ad-469@reddit

No dude that can duck up their ears. Thats straight up animal abuse

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stattenfield@reddit

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Character_Middle_667@reddit

There's too many damn ethical answers here so here's an unethical one. Rat poison.

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ATLien_3000@reddit

>I've called animal control twice now and they refuse to enforce the leash ordinance claiming the PUBLIC school is PRIVATE property They're perhaps being pedantic, but I'd expect school governance is a separate silo from city/county/municipal - so from your animal control guy's perspective, it IS private property. >they can only ticket people if the school has a specific rule prohibiting off leash dogs (which they don't). Seems you need to get the schools to have such a rule. If this were ELPT, I'd say start a petition, get matching t-shirts, go to a school board meeting. Since this is ULPT, I'd say slather your kid's leg with peanut butter. Wait for one of those off leash dogs to come up and start slobbering over his leg. Scream that he's getting bitten; get lots of pictures; take the kid off to "go to the doctor" before anyone can see he wasn't bit. Wrap his leg in gauze. Take him to the next school board meeting. In a wheelchair. Tell them they have to ban off leash dogs. For the children.

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JEWCEY@reddit

Call animal control

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Armadillo_of_doom@reddit

That's so disgusting. Roundworms can cause ocular larval migrans and blindness in kids and they live i the soil FOREVER. The school is setting themselves up for a lot of liability.

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AlternativeLie9486@reddit

Chili spray.

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Tonkatte@reddit

I’d recommend getting a copy of the city’s leash law as a starting place. Read it carefully, or have a local lawyer read it, find out what the real facts are. Then you can make a plan to move forward. And since the dogs are aggressive and uncontrolled, I’d carry a cane or a Byrna and defend yourself and your child. A ULPT solution might be a dog whistle. They make electronic ones, and you might be able to drive them away from you. Make sure it’s a high enough pitch (frequency) that your child can’t hear it, and loud enough to bother the dogs.

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Mundane-Sea7@reddit

Carry bear or dog spray. Byrna is a bad idea for many reasons, one of which potential retaliation. If it looks like a gun and functions like a gun, what will the dog's owner think it is? A gun. And if they're carrying they might retaliate. Congrats, you have no lethal option and are now about to assume room temperature.

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Tonkatte@reddit

Always trade-offs. Bear spray *cannot* legally be carried and used as a defensive item. Pepper spray can, of course, but it has a bad tendency to blow all over the place and not just hit the intended target. And it isn’t always effective. There are Byrna models that have been successfully used in animal defense, and are pink or yellow, or some other non-threatening color intended to convey non-firearm status. Of course any person could be armed, and anyone might react violently at the apparent assault of their beloved pet, regardless of the tool used. OPs situation is unique. He alone has to weigh the benefits and risks.

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footinmouthwithease@reddit

Get some meat, and pack it full of Benadryl and feed it to the dogs, should knock them out. If you want the dogs removed permanently you could theoretically fill the meat with something else.......

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FordMaleEscort@reddit

When I asked for dog tips my post got removed for violating the Geneva Conventions

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Far_Eye_3703@reddit

Who does animal control answer to? The city? The county? Find out, then call the in-house legal department for that agency. Ask them to please educate animal control and supply them with the statute number that allows them to protect people on the school grounds. In the meantime, ask the police what you are allowed to do to protect your son from an aggressive, unleashed dog on public property.

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Snowteam@reddit

Find another park. It’s not worth it

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pwniator@reddit (OP)

It's the only one within walking distance. I would have no problem if they just leashed their dogs.

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apachelives@reddit

Laxatives rolled in cheese. Not your fault if some dogs chase you and you loose your things along the way.

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pwniator@reddit (OP)

I've thought about this but again, I don't want to hurt the dogs. I was thinking about just bringing some regular dog food and bowls and start creepily feeding the dogs, acting WAY too excited. Given my history with these assholes, I'm sure they would assume I tampered with it and leave or put their dog on a leash so they can't eat it.

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mabus42@reddit

Put on a fireworks show for the dogs. Dogs LOVE fireworks.

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tecampanero@reddit

Bear spray. But you are better off finding another park

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bonniesue1948@reddit

Bear spray is a little too strong for dogs. Mailcarriers use a spray called Halt! You can also get a citronella spray that is less irritating , but can get dogs that aren’t aggressive to leave you alone.

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_Pin_6938@reddit

Just shoot there asses bro there lifes not worth shit

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Subject_Turn3941@reddit

Isnt there some wolf piss or something you can buy, to deter dogs? Make the park unpleasant for them.

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