Jesus’s teammate is named Liam. So then why does his bowling shirt say “Seamus”?
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RobbyWausau@reddit
Liam O'Brien. What a guy, one of the more stable bowlers in this league. What we do know about him isn't much, as he has no scripted lines, thus his name isn't even revealed in the credits. He is Jesus Quintana's bowling partner, like the Dude's team it could be just a random bowling shirt, bearing the name "Seamus". Why they couldn't find any of Charlie Harper's bowling shirts, idk, that's a rabbit hole I'm not going down atm..
The theory that his association with the Brother Seamus organization (if it is indeed a secret order of private detectives) may be plausible. If Liam is a dick, is he Quintana's bowling mate as a cover, or to keep Jesus away from the 8yo? Maybe Jesus doesn't want any further trouble, so an ever present witness at places where children may congregate for birthday parties and video games might be a good idea for an ex so. Liam while being at the lanes, may also be working a case.. Perhaps Dalfino should compare notes with him.
We only know his name because of the statements in the movie.. "Liam and me, are going to £∆¢© you up!" also Walter mentioned how easy it would be in a match against Quintana and O'Brien ".. should be easy"
BoomDonk@reddit
I think Donnie’s says Gary in one scene.
sillygoose0420@reddit
Gary's the bartender
RobbyWausau@reddit
He can't watch, or has to pay $100
Radicle_Cotyledon@reddit
That's right, dude.
RobbMeeX@reddit
Baaahh's over there...
Radicle_Cotyledon@reddit
Who the fuck is this guy?
TowerOfSisyphus@reddit
Shirts like these, huh Gary?
Morgus_Magnificent@reddit
Right, Dude.
WhatIsTheAmplitude@reddit
Friends like these, huh?
Ralph--Hinkley@reddit
Opening scene, Donnie's shirt says E.C.
Dog scene- Ray
Eight-Year-Olds scene- Mike's (?)
Unpostit scene- Austin
Let's go get a lane scene- Jug or Juz
TowerOfSisyphus@reddit
It was absolutely a fashion trend a few years later to wear customized shirts like that with somebody else's name on it. Maybe Donny was just ahead of his time. Sometimes, there's a shirt...
PowerResponsibility@reddit
You didn't think they were rollin out there naked, did ya?
81jmfk@reddit
I’d assumed they just got them used considering how little money they had when the nihilists tried to rob them.
TowerOfSisyphus@reddit
Thrift stores were absolutely stuffed with these in the early 90s.
SeaBag8211@reddit
About the time of our little situation with the Iraqis.
j3pl@reddit
The eye-rackies
TowerOfSisyphus@reddit
What are you, a fucking speech therapist now?!?
TomatilloAccurate475@reddit
Jesus-😳
ifthedudeabidesman@reddit
You said it man
kawiz03@reddit
What are you, a fucking film historian now?
Soulless--Plague@reddit
What are you a fucking movie critic now?
MechaChester@reddit
It's Liam's brother's shirt. Brother Seamus.
Recent-Raspberry-691@reddit
Like an Irish monk?
CriticalSuit1336@reddit
Stay away from my ladyfriend
ShoHeyTime@reddit
Wtf u talkin bout
markeross@reddit
A dick, man!
D00T_BOI@reddit
No physical harm intended!
DesperateMechanic305@reddit
Delfino?
gorilla-ointment@reddit
Johnson?
mckinney4string@reddit
Tchonson???
gunsdrugsreddit@reddit
What do you need that for, Dude?
theheadofkhartoum627@reddit
We're you listening to the Dudes story Donny??
FalseDmitriy@reddit
I was bowling
NotQuiteSober98@reddit
Well then you have no frame of reference, Donny
kapn_morgan@reddit
No just a bowling frame 👀
HarpersGeekly@reddit
That's your name Dude
vhmike@reddit
shut the fuck up, Donny
FinalHippo5838@reddit
Don't be fatuous Jeffrey
MarcoMarti1981@reddit
You know, there’s lots of ins and outs and whathaveyous…got to keep to a strict drug regimen.
TheBoromancer@reddit
That some sort of Eastern thing?
I5I75I96I40I70Me696@reddit
Far from it
audiate@reddit
New shit has come to light!
Confident-Yard4730@reddit
New shirt has come to light!
TeaTimeTelevision@reddit
a lotta ins, a lotta outs, a lotta what have you
say_it_aint_slow@reddit
Do you have any kaluha?
Jedi_Lazlo@reddit
Mind if I do a j?
andthisisthewell@reddit
What day is this?
theartslave@reddit
he fixes the cable?
InfiniteDjest@reddit
Don’t be fatuous, Jeffrey
FlapjackActual@reddit
What in god's holy name are you blathering about?!?!
Character-Head301@reddit
🤌
Charliet545@reddit
WOW ! My brain can’t comprehend how many levels of new shit has come to light right now
OnkelDetlef@reddit
So Liams Brother Seamus IS the third teammember...i mean look at it...
strongsilenttypos@reddit
The old shirt was a compromised 1st draft….
california_greyfox@reddit
Fuck me. I got a rash after reading this.
PPLavagna@reddit
I heard he was a dick, like you
MechaChester@reddit
Well, thanks for the award, then!
dohboy420@reddit
Liam and Jesus met while Brother Seamus was investigating a possible pederass
housebottle@reddit
This sub cracks me the fuck up, man. Well done
livefastdie22@reddit
zestfullybe@reddit
Brother Seamus, promise me you’ll do everything in your power to never do anything that’s a rule again!
Slow-Push-8005@reddit
I think there might just be no rules.
MechaChester@reddit
Promise me you'll never do another rule!
marbotty@reddit
This song ‘nam
James-Morrisson@reddit
Sure, but who the fuck are the Knudsen’s?
MechaChester@reddit
Me when two of my favorite things collide on Reddit:
BlueMageNeedsFood@reddit
Fuckin A
nmc9279@reddit
That’s fcking interesting man, that’s fcking interesting.
Garfunkel_Oates@reddit
IttyBittyBigBoii@reddit
🤯
seanieuk@reddit
Oh Bravo Dude, Bravo!
xxes4eyes@reddit
901Soccer@reddit
Far out
SufficientMorale@reddit
Jesus' brother was 'James'. Séamus is the irish James.
ChinaCatProphet@reddit
Seamus and me are gonna fuck you up!
iambarrelrider@reddit
Do you have to use so many cuss words?
digidave1@reddit
Were you not listening to the Dudes story?
iambarrelrider@reddit
I'm sorry, I wasn't listening
choopie-chup-chup@reddit
The Big Lebowski is full of shirt riddles.
Why do Woo and the unnamed blonde thug swap shirts from scene to scene? Is it because they owe money to known pornographers- and that's cool- and don't even own their own clothes?
Is Liam borrowing his brother Seamus' bowling shirt? BROTHER SEAMUS? Or is he - as a wiser man than me once said- actually Jesus' parole officer, undercover and keeping tabs on a known pederast
And what about the Dude? Why does he have a shirt with the moniker Art? I humbly submit that Dude-despite being in the running for laziest world-wide- is inspired by art at every turn. From Creedence to Marty's what-have-you to evocative splatter-art by a lady friend...right down to the magnificent craftsmanship of his cherished rug!!
Its the art that keeps the whole durn thing turning, westward the wagons across the sands of time, aw shucks
iambarrelrider@reddit
I'm sorry, I wasn't listening
Eastern-Surprise-830@reddit
The fact that the shirt says Medina Sod, a local company out of Medina, Ohio, is also baffling. Dudes a renter, he would have no need for sod, let alone import it from Ohio.
82Fang325@reddit
What in Gods name are you blathering about?
dromeciomimus@reddit
and where would the Dude go when he needed said inspiration? ARThur digby SELLERS of course
choopie-chup-chup@reddit
Not exactly a lightweight, and yet his son's a dunce
DialecticalDeathDryv@reddit
I always just took it as a very thrifty (most people named Artemis go by Art). But what a great take about the symbolism of the name.
LeroyBadBrown@reddit
Liam treats bowling balls like testicles.
every1gets1more-egg@reddit
I am the walrus? I am the walrus.
torch9t9@reddit
For the same reason the Dude's shirt says "Art," and Medina Sod.
showtimebabies@reddit
I think maybe Jesus doesn't care enough to tell Liam and Seamus apart
pkslot@reddit
Liam and Jesus fucked Seamus up! He's not gonna wear that shirt again, I'll tell you that!
AstronomerTrick1744@reddit
Prob the fux at the league office fault
withoccassionalmusic@reddit
It’s a running theme in the movie that things are misnamed. The Dude doesn’t like to be called Lebowski. Liam’s name isn’t Seamus. It’s not a marmot. And it’s not a Pomeranian either. Lotta ins, lotta outs.
X57471C@reddit
I think Donny can be seen wearing several misnamed bowling shirts throughout, as well!
Eastern-Surprise-830@reddit
And the Dudevwears a shirt with Art as the name.
jdovejr@reddit
Yep
DanteHicks79@reddit
Fun fact, Donny’s bowling shirt is a different name from scene to scene, and none of them are his actual.
ForgiveMyFlatulence@reddit
So they actually weren’t nihilists at all?
withoccassionalmusic@reddit
No. Those men were cowards.
BeaEffigy@reddit
And "Chinaman" is not the preferred nomenclature.
The_Doogle_Abides@reddit
Asian-American, please
dcbluestar@reddit
Then goes on to use the term “camel fucker” and “kraut” later in the movie, lol.
n8ertheh8er@reddit
That’s not bunny, it’s fawn knudson
fluhatinrapper09@reddit
Down on the farm it's Fawn.
JamesTheLockGuy@reddit
They’re never going to get her back on the farm once they’ve seen Karl Hungus…
The_Doogle_Abides@reddit
Can you blame her for staying? I mean he is an expert at fixing the cable.
n8ertheh8er@reddit
Don’t be fatuous Jeffrey
solidus0079@reddit
Who the FUCK are the Knudsons?!
zestotron@reddit
The Knudsons draw a lotta water in this town
RockerPortwell@reddit
Ironically not a fawn either
n8ertheh8er@reddit
What are you a park ranger?
WhatIsTheAmplitude@reddit
Let me tell you something. I’m the Dude, so that’s what you call me.
Worlds8thBestTinMan@reddit
It is a marmot. It’s played by a ferret.
Defiant-Mix-500@reddit
Lotta what have yous
slipperyjoel@reddit
No it's not a Pomeranian, it's a fucking show dog with fucking papers
Relevant-Highway5372@reddit
Which one’s logjammin’?
RedPhule@reddit
Maybe Liam is the third person on their team......
Yardsale420@reddit
It is. You can see him in the background when Seamus points at Jesus.
My running theory is that Liam is the ringer like Donny is for The Dude and Walters team, and Seamus is there to keep Quintana from doing something that would get them eliminated. That’s why he’s holding Jesus back, but Jesus says “Me and Liam gonna fuck you up”.
DontPanic1985@reddit
Donnies shirt also has a different name on it. So it's a bit of a running gag in the film. Some kind of eastern thing.
Eastern-Surprise-830@reddit
In the scattering of ashes scene Dude is wearing a shirt that has Art as the name, from Medina Sod, a company that was based out of Ohio.
CallidoraBlack@reddit
I've always imagined it's because the league is so full of drama that people quit a lot. If the shirt from the last guy fits, you wear it rather than paying for a new one.
nah_champa_967@reddit
I like the theory. Seamus and Liam look like twins.
CallidoraBlack@reddit
Irish twins?
2wheelsThx@reddit
Yeah, in the end credits he's just referred to as "Quintana's Partner" so you may have a good lead there. "Leads!" Let's just check with the boys down at the film lab - they'll have 4 more editors assigned to the case - they'll be working in shifts!
Yardsale420@reddit
Would hold out much hope for the upvotes, though, or an award.
CursorTN@reddit
awards they’ve got us paying in gold coins!
PoliceChiefOfMalibu@reddit
That’s fucking interesting, man. That’s fucking interesting.
kawiz03@reddit
Dios mio, man. We're you listening to The Jesus' story?
RedPhule@reddit
I was bowling...
3720-to-1@reddit
You were...
Youre like a pedophile who walks up to the door in the middle of a neighborhood...
Maris-Otter@reddit
Pederast, Dude. 8 year olds.
3720-to-1@reddit
What's a pedarasr, Maris?
kawiz03@reddit
Shut the fuck up u/3720-to-1.
3720-to-1@reddit
I was bowling
CursorTN@reddit
I’m a Seamus, you’re a Seamus. You told Brandt on the phone. Yes, yes? Parla usted Ingles?
joecuv@reddit
That's fucking interesting, man!
Steiney1@reddit
Donny has a collection of other people's bowling shirts. They were easy to find at thrift shops in the early nineties, about the time of our conflict with the Eye-Rackies.
RedWolfMO@reddit
but did he ever wear black pajamas?
The_Doogle_Abides@reddit
Donny? Are you referring to Theodore Donald Karabotsos?
Styleyriley@reddit
Doogle, you're out of your element!
YourHooliganFriend@reddit
Medina Sod...in the parlance of our time.
solidus0079@reddit
Yeah I had a bowling shirt that said Yorgie.
Steiney1@reddit
I had a ball with the name "Jim" engraved.
TowerOfSisyphus@reddit
I didn't blame anyone for the mismatch of my personalized memorabilia, some guy named Hank customized them for me, but I went out and achieved anyway.
THWIZZIT@reddit
Seamus was his name in the original script
Reasonable-Bus-2187@reddit
Not the compromised second draft.
DrongoMaster@reddit
Who the fuck is Arthur Digby Sellers?
RedWolfMO@reddit
Ever hear of a little show called Branded? All but one man died there at Bitter Creek?
nonstopflux@reddit
Bulk of the series.
TheSpaceman1975@reddit
Perfect answer
charlieromeo86@reddit
Seamus?!? Liam and me are gonna fuck you up!
Minute_University_98@reddit
Like an Irish monk?
kawiz03@reddit
What the fuck are you talking about?
j3pl@reddit
A dick, man!
Firm_Newspaper3370@reddit
Or a rod, or a Johnson
MHashshashin@reddit
Vagina
2wheelsThx@reddit
The Irish monk is not the issue here, Dude! We're talking about drawing a line in the sand!
And, Dude, Irish is not the preferred nomenclature. Norse-Gaels, please.
Irish755@reddit
We’re not talking about a guy who fled the potato famine…
NotQuiteSober98@reddit
What the fuuuuuuuck are you talking about!?!
Robby-Pants@reddit
The Irishman is not the issue!
czhalxuk@reddit
The_Great_Dadsby@reddit
No physical harm intended!
Glad_Bookkeeper_740@reddit
That’s the dog.
StellaBlueDevil@reddit
I think he’s working with Danny Devito, the detective, who says when he meets the Dude, that he’s a “brother Seamus” (meaning another detective)
Darth_Quaider@reddit
That ain't Devito
StellaBlueDevil@reddit
I know, but Devito says Seamus when he meets the Dude outside his apartment. He was hired huge Knudsens (Bunny’s family) to track her down.
kawiz03@reddit
Yeah, yeah, I get it, fuck off Da Fino.
kawiz03@reddit
So you have no frame of reference here, u/StellaBlueDevil. You're like a r/lostredditor who wanders into the middle of a thread.
StellaBlueDevil@reddit
Shomer Shabbos!
MechaChester@reddit
Well thanks for the award, then!
FartBarfunkel420@reddit
Didn't that ever occur to you, man? Sir?
AKchaos49@reddit
He's a dick, man!
No-Explanation5576@reddit
Were you listening to the dude's story?
pizmeyre@reddit
He's a dick
kawiz03@reddit
Whereas without batting an eye, a private eye will refer to himself as a dick, or gumshoe or decetive.
old_library3546@reddit
Liam is the father of the Wee Baby Seamus (Archer)
DicksuckingDemon@reddit
kawiz03@reddit
Subject-Relevant@reddit
Brother
glassclouds1894@reddit
He was named Seamus in the original script, and hilarious described in the non dialogue notes as "Jesus's partner, a fat Irishman."
WhatIsTheAmplitude@reddit
Arthur Digby Sellers, bulk of the series.
have1dog@reddit
Fat, but not exactly a light-weight
r3dout@reddit
I know it's been said many other times but this beautiful movie is full of things done/said in one scene being repeated or co-opted by another character in a different scene. I also understand the the Liam/Seamus was a re-write, but it plays very well with that theme, even if accidentally.
Day-Classic@reddit
Shame-us
sqrl_mnky@reddit
Seamus might be his surname?
MrBurnerHotDog@reddit
Liam and Jesus go waaaaay back and Liam's full name is Seamus Liam Beston but when he was young he was embarrassed by the name Seamus so he went by Liam, and that's when Jesus knew him. But now Liam's come to terms with his first name and the reasons his parents picked it, so in their honor after they passed he decided to go by Seamus but of course Jesus has always known him as Liam so he continues to call him that
MrAndyJay@reddit
Uhhhhh, I mean, uhhhhh, I gotta say it man. The Dude wears a shirt that says "Art" at the end of the movie man so, uhhhh, Y'know, uhhh.
SilverCyclist@reddit
Liam is the name of the Monster
BoogerSmoke@reddit
I am the walrus.
The_Doogle_Abides@reddit
V.I. Lenin! Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov!
RockerPortwell@reddit
Life does not stop and start at your convenience you miserable piece of shit
Regular-Flamingo9882@reddit
Jesus rolled for Seamus' sins.
Jemcc36@reddit
andytc1965@reddit
Seamus? Thats the dog
TRDOffRoadGuy@reddit
TRDOffRoadGuy@reddit
Liam is spelled with a long A.
New-Scientist5133@reddit
Why does Donny wear a shirt that says Johnson right before he has a heart attack after the Nihlists threaten to cut off the dude’s Johnson?
kl0@reddit
Why does radio shack ask for your name when you buy batteries? I don’t know.
Top-Psychology2507@reddit
Because he is ashamed of Jesus! ;-)
RoyalAristocrat@reddit
Jim Hoosier Good night sweet prince 🫡
JohnnyCakes814@reddit
Jackie Treehorn treats objects like women, man
GRW95@reddit
Also Dude, Seamus is not the preferred nomenclature.
Gebling65@reddit
It's a complicated case. Lotta ins. Lotta outs.
HeifTreez@reddit
I am here to fix. I am expert.
BirdmanHuginn@reddit
Brother Seamus goes by his middle name
phishphanart@reddit
Seamus prob told Jesus a fake name so people don't know he's bowling with a pederass
samplemax@reddit
No one ever said you don’t fuck with the Liam
TowerOfSisyphus@reddit
You said it, mang.
stanley-zbornak@reddit
Maybe Liam is also a brother Seamus, like Da Fino. He could be looking to pool resources—you know, trade information?
Vegetable-Put3884@reddit
DaFino is a brother shamus.
stanley-zbornak@reddit
Ok, sir. DaFino is a shamus; Liam is a Seamus. That’s terrific.
TowerOfSisyphus@reddit
Fuck off, Liam! And stay away from my lady friend!
YoureALebowski@reddit
I know what happened. Yes? Yes?
Vegetable-Put3884@reddit
Look I’m not trying to scam anybody here!
YoureALebowski@reddit
You’re just looking for a handout like every other- are you employed?
MaudieLebowski@reddit
They already had the bowling shirt made up for that scene so they used it. He became Liam in the Quintana in blue scene because the Coen Brothers changed it to Liam…because of the later reference to an Irish monk and the “brother Seamus” bit. My friend Jim was Liam in the film. He dyed his hair red for the part and got it after the first guy wouldn’t color his hair!!
cleomay5@reddit
Oh yeah...reconciliation.
TraditionalCompany25@reddit
It don't matter to Jesus
kingofthoughts@reddit
You said it, man!
notbossyboss@reddit
Far out
LRPenstein@reddit
Doesn’t matter. He fuck you in the ass next Wednesday instead.
901CountryBlumpkin69@reddit
What’s this guy’s name if it’s not “Art”?
BCdelivery@reddit
Does he have a cleft asshole…?
doctor--zaius@reddit
Brother Seamus?
happyjeep_beep_beep@reddit
New shit has come to light.
Daynebutter@reddit
Probably because they didn't think you'd see it in the VHS version.
Substantial-Stand604@reddit
Hi last name maybe?
Next-Independent-477@reddit
An Irish monk?
Budget_Secret4142@reddit
Why did Donnys shirt say Austin?
burntorangecycle@reddit
Why do the carpet pissers switch shirts?
D-Train0000@reddit
Everything’s a fucking travesty with you
MrPeepers1986@reddit
Liam and me, we're gonna fuck you up!
kawiz03@reddit
Also, Dude, Irishman is not the preferred nomenclature. Irish-American, please.
Is_This_Real_Life_82@reddit
You’re obviously not a golfer.
TowerOfSisyphus@reddit
Is it a slur referring to just any Irish-looking dude?
DickWoodReddit@reddit
not the preferred nomenclature.
TowerOfSisyphus@reddit
These aren't the guys who also built the railroads, here...
AbruptMango@reddit
Without batting an eye a bigot will refer to his "mick" or his "ginger" or his "paddy."
ineptplumberr@reddit
So racially , he's not so cool?
BourbonBelichick@reddit
Wandering bowler job.
Eatplaster@reddit
People come & go. The league remains.
Redgreen82@reddit
Apparently wardrobe didn't have that hard a look at the script.
jackasspenguin@reddit
Seamus was the name his ever-lovin’ parents gave him. Never had much use for it himself.
Solenya-C137@reddit
Nah, this Seamus, he called himself Liam. Now, Liam, that's a name no one would self-apply where I come from.
TMD-FUNK@reddit
Because that’s what you call him.
hahnsolobolo@reddit
That’s the dog, and it was outside.
3rdProfile@reddit
Nothing about the shirt, but a good read.
http://generalsnobbery.com/filmanalysis/liam-the-big-lebowski
AffectionateBass361@reddit (OP)
Someone mentions it in the comments!
downtune79@reddit
As in, hes a brother Seamus.....bowling is his hobby, private eye is his passion
drinkslinger1974@reddit
I always thought it was his last name
grimatonguewyrm@reddit
You told Brandt. Brandt told me. yes? yes?
BuckManscape@reddit
Fuck off, Da Fino.
TheSouthsideSlacker@reddit
8 year olds, dude.
slowerlearner1212@reddit
It’s a lot more complex…ahh..it’s not such a…a…simple…hasn’t that ever occurred to you…man?
cpr4life8@reddit
Liam is a Pink Floyd fan https://youtu.be/bhUW7A3qjY4?si=yx2TCYDbxlIYJP-1
TheSpaceman1975@reddit
Perhaps his last name!?!
I like that this new hidden gem is yet another recurring joke/turn of phrase/word pattern in a film full of them.
Jroach8686@reddit
Seamus? Like an Irish monk?
Altruistic_Glove_602@reddit
Nobody fucks with the Seamus
middlequeue@reddit
Maybe Liam is the 3rd teammate or and old one. I bet Quintana cycles through em cause they all tend to ditch when they learn that he’s a pederast. Guy doesn’t know doesn’t care who’s beside him. They won’t be there long.
I tell you what, though, that creep can roll.
Shoddy-Indication798@reddit
Why, we just dont know Dude
kawiz03@reddit
Separate incidents.
GhostIsAlwaysThere@reddit
Last name….
stoneman9284@reddit
That’s my guess
BikeChi1976@reddit
Liam shops at thrift stores
Soulless--Plague@reddit
Hey at least he’s house broken
Eric848448@reddit
He’s an Irish monk.
Professional-Ad9953@reddit
Because it really ties the shirt together man.
Crumby2222@reddit
Nobody fucks with the Jesus
DonnyOOE@reddit
8-year-olds, dude
obscureobject2574@reddit
What, in gods name, are you blathering about?
The_Last_Mouse@reddit
Because he's a dick.
mjmfg0058@reddit
Shut the fuck up, Donny..
Minute_University_98@reddit
Thats fucking interesting , ma`an
MilesAugust74@reddit
New shit has come to light!
TheDukeOfHyjinx@reddit
He's a dick!
SmoovyJ@reddit
Dios mio, man
Botosi5150@reddit
Like an Irish monk?
sunol1212@reddit
Well, dude, we just don't know.