need an alternative heat source
Posted by MissPatBrown@reddit | preppers | View on Reddit | 54 comments
I have an old house built in 1940, it is hotter inside than outside and colder inside than outside. So I have a gas Dyno Glo gas Wall heater that has worked fine, but there is a small issue, too long to get into here. So I am looking for a portable NON ELECTRIC or something with a rechargeable battery heating unit, something that would be affordable to run INSIDE, does anyone know of anything? TYIA
mrfixdit@reddit
Wood or pellet stove
DannyWarlegs@reddit
Like others have said, insulating your house will be the best bang for your buck. My old house was an 1880s built wooden box. We insulated every exterior wall and the attic, and it kept it perfect inside all year, with minimal heaters/air cons.
SonsOfValhallaGaming@reddit
Your best bet is addressing insulation issues. Most of the homes I've worked on as a contractor that were built prior to 1970 all seem to have insulation problems. And it makes sense, who wants to cut into their wall to replace stuff that causes cancer? Makes sense. But with the advances we've made in insulation materials, and the ease of locating where we are losing heat in the winter and cold in the summer via thermal imaging cameras, some of which are literally available to plug into your smart phone and uses your phones camera, allowing even regular homeowners to do this themselves, replacing the seals on doors, placing insulating covers on windows, adding an additional microlayer outside via spray insulants are all viable options.
In an SHTF scenario, or just because, non electric heating will be both efficient and easier to manage with less effort on the devices part.
Due-Explanation-8559@reddit
Kerosene heaters don't need power. We used them in florida growing up around the orange groves. Some were multi fuel. Used oil, bad or old gas. Anything worked. Consider a heat powered fan circulation unit that clamps on the side of the heater. Might help the heat flow increase some. Or just get another of the gas ones you have. Seems to work good for you so far.
EarlyElk9@reddit
My house was built in 1890, and even though the walls are 3ft thick I had the same problem. It had an open fire but that didn’t generate too much heat. I installed a wood stove and it’s been so warm ever since - I can even cook food/boil kettle on it. Sure it helps that I’ve got a source of sustainable firewood nearby, but if you have that option I would recommend it
Historical_Course587@reddit
Firewood is not crazy expensive to buy by the cord, especially if you can haul it yourself, and it remains usable for a couple years regardless of how poorly you manage to store it. It's still totally worth it for a non-electric, non-fossil-fuel heat source that not only heats a room but can also boil water.
And for people who can sustainably collect their own wood, we're talking about saving thousands of dollars per year on heating costs AND exercise.
OldSchoolPrepper@reddit
to piggy back on your post, we are seeing a glut of free firewood in my area (South of Portland, Oregon) We are picking up 2 yards of kiln dried pine for kindling (free). Other folks are doing fall clean up and giving way rounds of other wood for free (you haul). Oregon also still has the permits you can buy (I think they are $10) to go into the National Forest and cut your own wood.
Junebug35@reddit
Wood stoves are so nice, especially if you have a wood source nearby.
Army_31B@reddit
This 👆
EarlyElk9@reddit
I do have central heating too, but since the stove went in I hardly ever need it
thousand_cranes@reddit
rocket heater
Loganthered@reddit
Not inside
thousand_cranes@reddit
Mine is inside. Why not inside?
fungump@reddit
I use a Coleman square shaped heater that sits on a bbq sized gas bottle I use I just set it to low and I’m good
RedSquirrelFtw@reddit
If you can find a spot for one, look at installing a wood stove. I put one in recently due to rising natural gas costs but it's also nice to know I have backup heat.
Another option is electric and get a generator to power it in the event of an outage. The nice thing with electric is no venting or anything needed, so less heat loss, and the generator could power other loads too like fridge etc so it's a good prep to have either way.
The #1 thing though is to fix the insulation/seal of the home as no heat source is going to work well if the house is losing heat like crazy.
agmccall@reddit
Diesel truck heater, you can run off car battery. Just search Amazon or eBay
TacTurtle@reddit
You will be money ahead improving insulation (ie add attic insulation, use those clear plastic window film kits so they insulate more like double pane than single pane), finding and addressing drafts, etc.
After that, you would probably want to look into a diesel or kerosene heater (they use a heat exchanger and fan so all exhaust is vented outside), as electric heating is inefficient (versus a heat pump) and will very quickly drain even very large batteries.
rozzco@reddit
Thanks for this. That looks far superior to the propane Buddy heaters.
ERTHLNG@reddit
The buddy heaters are lame. They have big propane shop heaters that clamp onto the top of a 20lb tank. Its not a great system, definitely crack a window. But it can be similar to the kerosene heater with the slightly different advantages and disadvantages that co.e with propane vs kerosene fuel.
I chose propane. I actually put it to the test one winter when the electric heater failed and it was alright. Get some carbon monoxide alarms and leave vents. I think I gassed myself a little too much once or twice.
SimpleVegetable5715@reddit
I have a DuraHeat kerosene heater if Texas ever experiences another winter storm like 2021. We’re used to power outages in the summer, not so much during an ice storm. It doesn’t need an exhaust, but a CO detector and cracking a window is highly recommended.
Femveratu@reddit
Agree w this approach
reddit1651@reddit
If you have a local habitat for humanity store, you can often find brand new batts or blown insulation for ~50% off of the big hardware store prices!
Until December 31st, you also get a 30% federal tax credit. Plus, your utility may offer rebates too
Through stacking the credits and reduced bills, when I made the upgrade, it basically paid for itself in two or three months and is “free money” on every reduced heating/cooling bill going forward
Mala_Suerte1@reddit
Propane is your answer. You can get a radiant heater that attaches to 1 Lbs propane bottles. If you don't mind the look, you can get larger dual radiant heaters that fit on a 20 Lbs propane bottle.
Jranqz@reddit
Invite your mother in law over. She will have so much to say that your home will be warm in no time.
Creative-Ad8310@reddit
definitely indulate and fix all drafts (gaps around windows doors etc) tyvek and polyiso do alot. ive had a hard time heating my small shop other than small woodstove. dont have time to cut wood etc most times. just installed diesel heater. works amazing low draw once running. literally turn on and warm under 30 minutes from 30ish f
Electronic_Umpire445@reddit
I camped at a friend’s unheated, uninsulated one room cabin by myself. It got cold in the evenings. I had 2 white gas dual mantle lanterns to light the inside. These two lanterns provided light and heat while I was scurrying around inside the cabin. I also used a white gas cook stove. I turned them off when I went to sleep in a sleeping bag. I was surprised how much heat the lanterns generated. These two problem with the white gas appliances is proper maintenance and some expected flame ups. Get some experience with them while outside, in the open.
Army_31B@reddit
Maybe look into a pellet or wood stove, wood stoves are really good long term and serve more purpose than heating, I had mine added and it was pretty easy to vent out the side, I had a professional install mine but I’m sure it can be diy.
No_Piccolo6337@reddit
Don’t pellet stoves require electricity for the auger to function?
TheSensiblePrepper@reddit
Yes but they are low enough power that you can run them off of a solar generator for some time.
Specialist-Dare-3848@reddit
Yes I have that problem in Yosemite when the powers out
Ok_Application_5402@reddit
How is rhe ventilation to/from the kitchen area? In our house in the village we always end up using the oven or stove as a heater.
Ryan_e3p@reddit
This is a horrible idea, and should never be recommended.
Specialist-Dare-3848@reddit
😱💀
Justme15222@reddit
In an emergency and only when someone's watching it, boil a couple of large pots of water on the stove. Make sure they're always topped off. Keep a fan going to circulate the warm air and moisture. I've done this when the furnace went out. Then kept the ceiling fans going slow to circulate the heat throughout the first floor. Kept it comfortable until the furnace was fixed.
Longer term, I agree, the diesel or kerosene heater would be it if you can't get something permanently installed
spookalip@reddit
Cheap vevor 8kw heater amazing for the cost.
sabotthehawk@reddit
Properly vented diesel heater (can mix used oil if filtered well buy it carbons up the burn chamber fast)
Kerosene heater
Catalytic propane heater (indoor safe type) but they put out a lot of water vapor and can be $$ to run.
Cute-Consequence-184@reddit
Before you do anything, invest in a CO2 monitor. If you plan to use propane, kerosene or butane indoors, invest in an explosive gas detector with a CO monitor.
If you already have a propane tank from a BBQ then a tank top heater is the cheapest and easiest route to go. They are very small to store, most are smaller than a basketball.
A full 20lb tank can heat a fairly large room, 150 sq feet. It will last anywhere from 32 hours at full blast to a week being rationed as the room gets warm.
The same tank can be used with a camp stove to prepare food. They even have dual purpose heater/stove units for emergencies
That being said, you can move everyone into a single room, cover the windows in bubble wrap and heavy curtains or blankets and create a single room where body heat is conserved. Even cardboard and bath towels will help as insulation on thin windows and walls. Having rugs or comforters in the floor helps with keeping warm also.
Each person should have either a three season sleeping bag and a fleece sleeping bag liner or a wool blanket bedroll. Each person should have a pad of Reflexix to sit or lay upon or some other way to insulate themselves from the ground. This is assuming there isn't enough sleeping space for everyone that is elevated.
Sleeping in tents, blanket forts and such lower the ceiling and make a smaller space to heat. Smaller spaces make it easier to maintain an even temperature with just body heat. NEVER put a heat source inside a tent or blanket fort. Heat sources should be kept at least 24 inches away from tents and blankets.
Each person should have a set of heavy winter clothing. Heavy socks or wool socks. At minimum, a decent head covering you can sleep in will help maintain warmth as well as having a pair of mittens you can sleep with.
Each person should have a set of warm underwear, long johns or at minimum a set of sweats to sleep in. Ideally, when camping, I have a set of large sweats I pull on over my clothing, so I'm never stripping down. Looks don't matter when you might freeze.
Having a dual burner propane camp stove or a small single burner butane stove will allow you to cook. There are other ways to cook off grid but both of these are easy to use and familiar enough there isn't a learning curve. Fixing food and eating will warm to body and raise moral. You won't want to skimp on food. Be sure you have enough to drink AND be sure to have enough water to use in cooking as well.
If you have kids especially, have entertainment that isn't dependent on power. Coloring books, ebook readers, knitting/crochet, puzzles, cards and an emergency radio can go a long way to keeping kids occupied.
Have plenty of extra batteries if needed and think about investing in a folding solar panel and battery bank. Save your phone for phone things and emergencies, not useless games that drain the batteries.
And most people think about staying warm during power outage in the winter. Everyone forgets about sanitation. Baby wipes are a short term solution for power outage but it won't help if the water stops running, you will still need a toilet. A 5 gallon bucket works great when paired with a urinal for the guys. Don't use kitty litter. It is heavy and doesn't help the smell. Use compressed pine pellets or light pine shavings. Pine absorbs well and doesn't promote smells. They sell actual toilet seats for buckets but you can check online on how to DIY one.
And something VERY important. Do not wait until the power goes out to test all of your stuff. Make sure you know how to set up the toilet, how to turn on and off the heater, what food is good to cook on a camp stove. Have the kids practice setting up a blanket fort so they know what to do ahead of an emergency and it isn't stress it is fun!
But didn't forget the CO monitor or the combo explosive gas detector/CO monitor
fenuxjde@reddit
Anything with a battery is going to die super fast. Electric heaters are typically 1500w and even a massive 4500w solar backup battery would be dead after just 3 hours.
Are you able to use an indoor kerosene heater? They typically work super effective.
CCWaterBug@reddit
Exactly, Electric heat is a huge energy sucker
Even_Routine1981@reddit
This is the way
No_Character_5315@reddit
Electric heat pump would be the best if he's looking long term grid up scenario will provide cooling in summer also. Grid down buddy heater and focus on one room preferably a room with interior walls co2 detector would be a must as well as leaving a door cracked for ventilation.
Astrolander97@reddit
Second this, I have a cadet style plug in heater and even the basic small single room version i use can eat through a 1800 watt ecoflow in less than an hour. This is a tested range with my delta2.
IGnuGnat@reddit
Given that you said PORTABLE, I think your best bet is kerosene heater. You'll want to open a window just a crack
Diesel heaters are super efficient but they must be exhausted outside, so, not portable.
A catalytic propane heater would get an honourable mention. The problem with propane is that it puts out moisture into the air as a byproduct of the combustion process. So it's good for emergency use, semi outdoor or outdoor use like a patio or porch or tent, but it's not good for prolonged indoor use because over time you will develop a problem with moisture, mold or mildew
Battery powered heat source is simply not a feasible option
Smooth_Cat8219@reddit
Look up Chinese diesel heater. It's a beast and easy on electricity.
Danjeerhaus@reddit
If you are crafty and willing to experiment, you could look at solar heating.
There are several videos on YouTube that might be helpful.
Some use auto as the heated medium and some use water. The water ones are more for testing, but.....glycol can be used to move heat in areas where freezing happens to water.
Yes, fans and pumps might be needed or helpful. Solar panels to run pumps and maybe batteries when solar production is low should not be hard to establish.
Here is an air heater link.
https://youtu.be/VhhJt-ZzRwI?si=g27ssvf9QKwJpgFz
Here is a water heater link.
https://youtu.be/cSbETRn7gnM?si=ljU6YsfEt-bq1pMB
Just be thinking out loud. I recognize that these are limited to daylight time, but it may help greatly.
cuminmyshitsock@reddit
A lot of people swear by pellet stoves.
But they definitely have their pros and cons
SkeltalSig@reddit
I second the diesel heaters.
They are called parking heaters.
https://www.heatso.com/all-you-need-to-know-about-truck-parking-heaters
Revolutionary-Half-3@reddit
Diesel heaters are pretty good. They're often run on a battery with a charger, both to allow proper shutdown if the power fails and so it can run during an outage.
Exhaust is vented outside for safety, and there are plenty of upgrades to controllers, fuel storage, and ducting for the hot air.
They'll run happily on heating oil too. Note that the exhaust needs to slope downhill for condensation, and the intake should be outside as well. On startup the intake will often fart out diesel fumes, not dangerously but enough to smell. Some people add a radiator to the exhaust to recover more of the heat.
Many-Health-1673@reddit
I would add a large wood stove. Firewood is cheap and renewable
jgrant0553@reddit
kerosine heater is the way to go.
himbobflash@reddit
I swear by the Kerosene heaters as a backup. Lots of BTU’s, kerosene is easy to store and relatively cheap. As long as you run them smart and realize you’re burning fuel, have a CO alarm, crack a window, they can be great additions to a kit.
davidm2232@reddit
Get another DynaGlo gas heater. They are going to be by far the best bang for your buck. Otherwise, I would be looking for a gas or oil fired trailer furnace from FB marketplace
dqrules11@reddit
diesel heaters
karebear66@reddit
I have a butane heater/cook top for emergencies. You might want to check out what works for RVs and camping. There is a lot of cross-over between prepping and camping.