Death toll in Israel’s war on Gaza surpasses 69,000 as attacks continue
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Posted by seeebiscuit@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 291 comments
party_core_@reddit
making a top-level comment so that outright genocide apologia / ragebait won't be the only one
sometimes I wonder what fascist shitposters would've sounded like if boards where around back in the day
it's nice to know I guess
ModerateCommenter@reddit
It’s amazing that we heard so much about the “peace deal” and how great it was. And now Israel is back to business as usual bombing children and its complete radio silence in western media.
BlackJesus1001@reddit
It never stopped lmao, hell I don't think Lebanon got more than a day or so without being bombed for the entire duration of their "ceasefire"
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Sorry man, but quite literally all activity on this post is on my stuff. Can’t beat it, I guess.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
You don’t have to be pro-genocide. Unless you are paid to be, I guess…
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
I’m pro-truth. Not something I have to be either, but I choose to be.
bouguerean@reddit
All the activity on your post is just people arguing with you about your inane defenses for Israel sniping civilians during a supposed ceasefire, and pointing out your obvious misinformation.
I wouldn't exactly be proud of that lol.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
None of my activity is hidden. You can see for yourself. Besides that, it’s 100% mission accomplished that I caused a fire storm. That’s where the fun is, arguing. You guys are so easy to goad, and all your arguments are just insane and ill informed. It’s fun to engage.
GianfrancoZoey@reddit
Gonna be honest I don’t think being pro-genocide should fall within the realm of acceptable opinions allowed to be posted here.
If someone wants to make a measured argument for Israel then I’ll obviously disagree but they don’t even do that. Their comments are straight up gleefully celebrating it, and mocking people who care about the victims.
azure_beauty@reddit
This sort of thinking only works if you assume you're correct and everybody else is wrong.
GianfrancoZoey@reddit
I’m pretty confident in saying that people who are mocking the deaths of innocents are wrong.
bouguerean@reddit
Nope, they're simply right. You're a repeat offender in genocide denial btw, I actually recognize your username after months of seeing your awful apologia.
kiiwithebird@reddit
I think the majority of reasonable people would agree that being pro genocide is wrong
NoHandBananaNo@reddit
I agree, I wish they would just stay in worldnews where they belong. I switched to this sub to get AWAY from the genocidaire troll army.
Virtual-Pension-991@reddit
I went out of worldnews because it was once pro-palestine too much though.
NoHandBananaNo@reddit
I think they have definitely started blocking in a certain way.
During the ~~Ghislaine~~ Maxwellhill era you got banned over there if you called someone a shill, so there were shills and bots of all kinds active in there, but one particular kind of agendaposter wasnt completely dominant like it is now.
Virtual-Pension-991@reddit
Interesting history of reddit pages.
Thank you.
mkbilli@reddit
They know this, that's why they are here. That's how trolls and bots work unfortunately.
voidox@reddit
yup, the hasbara bot farm is out in full force going into other subs as they desperately try and salvage any defense/reputation for their genocidal country.
Stippings@reddit
I wonder if we can suggest the mods to program automod to remove comments and submissions by accounts who hide their profile (if that's possible in the first place).
Since the fast majority of accounts that do this are astroturfers, bots and trolls.
bouguerean@reddit
I go back and forth between wanting their outright lying and harassment banned, as per the rules of the sub, but then I honestly think it might be good to let them. They're all so unstable and ridiculous, they're basically an argument against themselves.
Let any normie who might trip into the sub witness them and take one more step back from pro-Israel propaganda.
Dry-Season-522@reddit
I want you to consider that telling someone of your views that you hope they get a chance to meet the people they're arguing for face to face will get your reddit account banned for "threatening violence." That says everything you need to know about who you're supporting.
cmonnomorework@reddit
Same, its funny hearing the cries and whining of hamas supporters as they refuse to give up arms and execute other gazans publicly. But hey it's great popcorn as the world laughs at them
NotActuallyIraqi@reddit
Just as Israelis claim everyone wants them to be defenseless and therefore they won’t stop fighting, you can’t ask Palestinians to disarm and let Israel wipe them out. They’re already ethnically cleansing West Bank, why should Gaza want the same fate?
SymphoDeProggy@reddit
Braindead take. israel voted to pull out of the WB in 2006 elections. Hamas attacking israel from Gaza after israel pulled out of it killed motivation for a WB disengagement.
Hamas defends nothing
NotActuallyIraqi@reddit
No they didn’t. They continued the settlements and moved the wall even further beyond the Green Line to steal more land at that time.
gut536@reddit
"The violent ethnic cleansing will have to continue if you insist on fighting back against the passive ethnic cleansing."
FerdinandTheGiant@reddit
There was never motion for the WB disengagement. It was always deeply unpopular, both within Israel and internationally, and Hezbollah had more to do with its “failure” than Hamas did.
CricketJamSession@reddit
What is the actual massage of your comment?
Im making a top comment saying actually nothing so other comments i dont like wont be on top?
Mstinos@reddit
Yep, it is highly regarded.
CricketJamSession@reddit
Wasted comment that achieve nothing
If not only make people more curious about what he claim to try to hide in his comment
kiiwithebird@reddit
Imagine still using the r word as an insult in 2025, but then being too much of a coward to say the actual word lol
AdVivid8910@reddit
You would’ve made a great Nazi, only they were perhaps a tad more honest than yourself.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
People recently have been getting killed when they approach the yellow line, which Israel has said repeatedly not to do and they’ll shoot you if you do. Glad that the recent deaths seem to be only 1 or 2 at a time, so Palestinians are getting the message, but it just goes to show that you should follow the rules or you’ll get shot.
Zellgun@reddit
I thought there’s a ceasefire? Why are Israelis shooting the indigenous moving in their own territory? Are they so hellbent on murdering more people?
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
They’re not allowed to approach the yellow line. If they do, they get shot. That’s a stipulation in the ceasefire.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
No, it is not a 'stipulation of the ceasefire'. What makes you think that's the case?
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Why exactly would a line be stipulated if it was never meant to be enforced?
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Who cares? What does it matter? The actual ceasefire does not stipulate that anyone who 'approaches the yellow line' gets shot immediately. That may be what the IDF or people like yourself imagine the response might or ought to be, but it's certainly not anywhere in the agreement.
Perhaps you should read the agreement, that way you won't be going around making heinous claims
Successful-Bobcat701@reddit
Do you have a link to the full agreement?
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Sure
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
It matters a lot. The line is in the ceasefire agreement. It was always meant to be enforced. If it wasn’t, it wouldn’t exist.
How is the line supposed to be enforced if not this way?
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Again, the answer to that question won't change that the agreement does not stipulate that anyone who approaches the line gets shot immediately. You can agree with them doing it, but stop saying that the agreement stipulates such when it literally does the opposite: it doesn't stipulate what should happen to people who approach (not even cross!) 'the line' and leaves it up to the IDF.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
“Leaves it up to the IDF” what exactly are the IDFs options?
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Do you know anything about contracts?
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
You didn’t answer my question. What are the IDF’s options to enforce the line?
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Because even if I were to say there's no other option that still doesn't change that the agreement does not stipulate it. Words have meaning. Stipulate has a meaning and you're using it for literally the opposite.
Kinda like how people regularly misuse the word literally
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
So you’re hung up on a word? Fine. I’ll correct myself. The agreement implies this kind of enforcement since there wouldn’t be an agreed on line if there was no expectation of enforcement and there’s only one way to enforce it.
GothicGolem29@reddit
People are not allowed to steal mars bars doesn't mean we should shoot everyone that does... Approaching that line does not mean Israel can just gun them down
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Stealing mars bars is not the same as approaching soldiers and becoming an imminent threat to them in a war zone.
bouguerean@reddit
Yeah, small children and the elderly must be a massive threat to these heavily armed IDF soldiers.
Seems like cowardice is a prerequisite for the army.
GothicGolem29@reddit
A there is a ceasefire at the moment there should not be any fighting and B The principle remains for both that the response to doing something has to be proportionate shooting them for approaching is not
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
There isn’t any active fighting. Though of course Hamas has still killed a few Israeli soldiers since the ceasefire has been signed and that’s resulted in Israeli responses. But of course Israeli soldiers would rather take active steps to not get killed as opposed to hope to be avenged, hence why they’re defending themselves against threat.
Shooting them when they can present an active threat to their lives is a proportional response. How exactly are IDF soldiers supposed to know is is and isn’t a threat? Hamas doesn’t fight in uniforms and soldiers can’t read minds.
GothicGolem29@reddit
Do you have a source for Hamas killin an Israeli soldier before a strike during the ceasefire? I genuinely have not seen it there was one incident where Israel said Hamas did but iirc there was no proof and some reporters were saying it was an old IED not an attack.
Israel cannot know but their job is to find out or push them back some other way not start shooting at civilians.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
First time Hamas attacked and Israel responded.
Second time Hamas attacked and Israel responded.
That’s not their job. Their job is to protect their soldiers. Demarking the line is meant to protect civilians. It’s now clear where it is. Those that ignore the prohibition are inherently a threat to IDF soldiers.
Zellgun@reddit
The ceasefire is between Israel and Hamas. Majority of Gazans had no part in ceasefire discussions and did not have any opportunity to agree to some contract made in a foreign country.
There is no reason to kill the indigenous on their own land over some imaginary line.
Best_Change4155@reddit
Lmao what in the retardation is this?
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
It’s not an imaginary line. It’s a very real line. Also, Hamas is the government of Gaza and therefore the representation of the Palestinian people in Gaza. The Palestinians were represented in the ceasefire discussions because their representatives were involved in them.
cmonnomorework@reddit
Because your hamas refuses to relinquish power and is executing gazans on the street? Sad you can't murder and rape jews anymore?
hollow114@reddit
That's... Really disgusting.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Being in favor of rules? I’m sorry you feel that way.
PreviousCurrentThing@reddit
You would have been okay with the Nazi's treatment of Jews in the early/mid 30s? They were just enforcing the rules, right?
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Not at all the same. Try the allied occupation of Germany after world war 2.
PreviousCurrentThing@reddit
I know it's not the same, but the criterion you're using for acceptability is being in favor of rules.
The Nazis were in favor of rules. They passed many discriminatory laws and enforced them.
If a German citizen just wanted his government to enforce the rules by confiscating the property of Jews, how could that be disgusting? He's just in favor of rules.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Ok, but at the same time murder being illegal is a rule. Kidnapping being illegal is a rule. Embezzlement being illegal is a rule. Enacting rules to be enforced doesn’t make one a Nazi.
PreviousCurrentThing@reddit
Correct, that's not the argument I'm making. Nor am I saying Israelis are Nazis.
You are defending a policy which results in the death of innocent persons, and you don't find that disgusting on the basis that it's just "the rules."
German citizens defended policies which resulted in the deaths of innocent persons. I would hope you find that disgusting, but given your logic I'm not sure how you can. The German could respond as you did, that he's just "in favor of rules," and that he's sorry you feel otherwise.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
I’m in favor of the line being enforced this way because there are no other alternatives in enforcing the line. What alternatives are there to enforce it, do you think? Your comparison is still inaccurate since the enforcement of the rule is not like anything the Nazis did. Were the rules the Nazis set up to protect the lives of soldiers? No. Is the enforcement of the line to protect the lives of soldiers? Yes.
stonkmarxist@reddit
Warning shots. Not shoot to kill when you cross this imaginary line
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
How do you know that’s not being done already?
stonkmarxist@reddit
Because people don't tend to purposely walk towards the people shooting in their direction.
Stop being an apologist for murder
kiiwithebird@reddit
Curiously, Israel has broken this rule thousands of times in this conflict so far Source [Source 2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2025_Gaza_war_ceasefire#Violations_and_deviations_by_Israel)
party_core_@reddit
rules != morality
that's something you should noodle on
your way of thinking is how evil is excused
inbox replies are off
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
I don’t care about morality. The world doesn’t run on morality.
Culture-Careful@reddit
...welp, at least you agree that you're immoral.
I can applaud the transparency.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
No one is moral. Why would I or you be any different?
stonkmarxist@reddit
This is an absolutely insane thing to say.
Imagine thinking that and believing it's totally normal. It doesn't make you seem cool, detached or coldly logical. It makes you seem like a genuine psychopath to normal people.
Especially when you're using that weird ass belief to justify slaughtering people.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
I’m sorry you’re fooling yourself.
Gubbinso@reddit
Is that how you rationalise it? "No one is moral so it's okay that I am immoral."
DefDefTotheIOF@reddit
Of course it is, these are the same people whose motto is 'If I don't steal it, someone else will'
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Your morals don’t matter so I don’t care that you’re judging me by them. That’s what I’m saying.
Gubbinso@reddit
You're inconsistent, you having some cognitive dissonance there? Need a cup of tea?
Culture-Careful@reddit
dont bother. you're dealing with either a socio/psychopath or a bot. maybe just an attention seeker if you want to remain hopeful.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
I’m sorry you’re having a hard time understanding this. These kinds of things aren’t for everyone.
Metworld@reddit
You're a zionist piece of shit, of course you don't have morals. Doesn't apply to everybody though.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
It does, in fact.
Sad-Broccoli@reddit
We can tell
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
You can tell the world doesn’t run on morality? You’re not giving off that impression.
Sad-Broccoli@reddit
We can tell that you have no morals
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Neither do you. Do you suppose that’s not obvious?
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Your morals don’t matter so I don’t care that you’re judging me by them. That’s what I’m saying.
Proper_Razzmatazz_36@reddit
But reality does not tend to mesh with morals
The purpose of rules is to have a set of conditions for people to agree to that is good enough, and as both sides of the war agreed to the rules, then both sides should be held to the rules
hollow114@reddit
I see you're a fellow American. We've never really been ones for following the rules against tyrant's. But since I'm of the ilk that doesn't think Israel should be there anyway. They don't have any right to make any rules.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Did the allies not have a right to make any rules in occupied Germany after WW2?
borat_is_good_movie@reddit
Did the allies before ww2 germany bomb them randomly
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
There were allied responses to previous German aggressions. WW1, anyone?
borat_is_good_movie@reddit
Did the entant make and support a state and start settling land and harassing the locals
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Did Germany refuse to recognize the right of France to exist and regularly attack it with suicide bombs and rocket attacks?
stonkmarxist@reddit
Did France start colonising and carving up German land?
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
You could argue that with Alsace Lorraine.
hollow114@reddit
I'm not sure that analogy means what you want it to mean. Think more. Germany didn't have a right to make any rules in France. 😊
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
France didn’t attack Germany.
hollow114@reddit
Exactly.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Not sure your analogy is proving the point you think it is. France had the right to make rules in Germany during the occupation because Germany was the aggressor. Israel has the right to make rules in Gaza during the occupation because Gaza(Hamas) attacked Israel. Israel is France here.
hollow114@reddit
No. It is. Israel isn't a country. It's a government that exists in Palestine. Yeah, October 6th was an awful thing that happened, so was everything back and forth since 1947 or whatever it was. The original aggression.
BehemothDeTerre@reddit
So you're a full fascist, then?
And an hypocritical one, at that, given your flair. If you want to cleanse Israeli from the only country they ever lived in, you might want to lead by example, colonist.
hollow114@reddit
I think most of them lived in Europe, actually. Isn't Bibi from Poland?
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
*Oct 7th
Israel earned its right to exist when it won the war it didn’t start in 1948. Israel won the right to dictate rules in Gaza for the time being when it won the war it didn’t start on Oct 7th.
hollow114@reddit
Might makes right then? So Ukraine should surrender all of its land to Russia then?
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Why should the aggressor be rewarded? It didn’t happen in 1948, it shouldn’t happen now.
hollow114@reddit
Israel seems pretty rewarded.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Israel isn’t the aggressor. Ukraine shouldn’t surrender. Russia should. Israel shouldn’t surrender. Hamas should.
hollow114@reddit
What's the name of the place Israel is in? Palestine. Simply existing in Palestine is the aggression.
CobberCat@reddit
That's like saying Mexico is an aggressor because it's located in America 🤦🏼♂️
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
No, the name is Israel. Or do you arbitrarily choose a date to where it’s called Palestine to say that’s its true name?
muttonwow@reddit
Just to confirm, are we continuing on the basis of "Might Makes Right", or would you like to re-word this?
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
There’s no other solid basis to determine Israel’s right to exist or who gets the land. For historical claims, people always choose arbitrary dates. For genetic, Jews also have plenty of ancient Canaanite DNA. Therefore, who gets the land? Whoever one the last war over it, which was Israel. They didn’t start it either, so that’s a bonus.
hollow114@reddit
Religion decides where you live? Damn. Can't wait to move into the Vatican.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
You do realize Jews are a distinct ethnic group, right?
hollow114@reddit
So is Roman Catholic. So like... Do I just take someone's house or how does that work exactly?
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Roman Catholics aren’t a distinct genetic group. Something tells me you might not know where you are.
hollow114@reddit
Mhm. Romans. Ie. Italians. Very much a distinct ethnic group. We actually have our own county! It's called Vatican City. Except... Vatican City doesn't bomb Rome every day. So maybe not the best analogy on my part. But I do think you can work out the point I'm making.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Roman Catholics, ie Catholics, aren’t all Italians.
Your point really is myopic because of either your ignorance or your intentional deception. Regardless, Jews won the right to the land when they won the war they didn’t start.
hollow114@reddit
Your argument is that all Jews are from Palestine? Buddy. Lol. But yeah. If might is right is the argument you're making. I'm really glad to know you also support China taking Taiwan. Russia taking Ukraine. So on so forth. I guess we can invade Canada?
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Putting words in my mouth doesn’t help your argument, you know. I’m sorry you can’t understand this. For starters, all of those wars would be wars of aggression. Aggressors don’t have a right to the land they conquer. If the defenders win land, they have a right to it since its payment for the aggression against them. Also of course it has to be said there’s no good basis to determine who has a right to the land.
Fullyswirled@reddit
You’re wild. Israel is the invader in the region. They took the land. By your definition, they are the aggressors. You need to look inward and evaluate why you think the way you do.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Israel didn’t invade anywhere. The Jews didn’t invade Palestine. You do remember the Arabs invaded Israel in 1948, right? Not the other way around.
xtralongchilicheese@reddit
Who bombed the King David Hotel in 1946, when it all started two years later? Who founded Hamas in 1987 and why did that person grow up in a refugee camp? Who assassinated Ghasan Kanafani in Egypt? Who shot down the palestinians during the peaceful march of return in 2019? Who massbombed Gaza in 2008/09/14/18? Who killed the journalist Shireen Abu Aklee and stormed the Al-Aqsa mosque in 2022/23? Funny how you frame it that it started in October. The world sees through your lies no matter how hard you try to control the narrative.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Palestinians have also massacred Jews on numerous occasions, such as here: https://engelsbergideas.com/notebook/hamas-genocidal-massacre-on-october-7-has-deep-historical-roots/
Is it accurate to say that all of these actions are in response to the massacres Palestinians perpetrated against Jews?
ZilDim@reddit
It's pointless to prove anything to the people who cannot even accept that Israel is just as a legitimate, as every other state bordering it. Regardless of the truth, the narrative they have inside their head unfortunately prevails.
GothicGolem29@reddit
I don't agree with the person above but Israel is a country. They are a member of the UN, are recognised by many countries and their people want Israel to exist. Heck even the PA iirc has supported a two state solution. There is no doubt whatsoever imo that Israel is a country.
Past-Ad5731@reddit
What a deflection lmao
wednesdayminerva@reddit
where the hell do you get off comparing Palestine and Israel to Germany and the Allies in the 1940s? are you an idiot?
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
It’s pretty simple. The Nazis started world war 2. Hamas started this last war between them and Israel. The allies won world war 2. Israel won this last war. The allies got to dictate rules in occupied Germany. Israel gets to dictate rules in occupied Gaza. It’s 1:1.
wednesdayminerva@reddit
Israel winning does not make them the god guys. You're a fascist. go back to /r/worldnews.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
No, Israel not being the aggressors helps make the case they’re the good guys.
Sad-Broccoli@reddit
The good guys don't celebrate raping people to death and sniping toddlers.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
So the Palestinians aren’t the good guys. Glad we settled that.
Sad-Broccoli@reddit
When have Palestinians done either of those things? Israelis do it on camera and laugh and brag about it.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
You don’t remember all the videos of Palestinians celebrating in the streets when Hamas fighters came back from Israel on Oct 7th?
wednesdayminerva@reddit
i don't think it matters who the aggressors are. Under your analogy, I could easily say that Germany were the victims because they did what they had to do to rebuild their economy post WW1, right? you should really stop replying and go back into the cave you sloughed your husk of a brain out of.
Best_Change4155@reddit
??? It's the terms they agreed to.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Minimum-Enthusiasm14:
How do you feel about rules like international law and things like the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force? How about the prohibitions on starving people, mass murdering protected persons and genocide? You don’t like those rules at all, it’s just the pretend rules that Israel sets intending to break that you like...
860v2@reddit
Ironic coming from the dude who downplays and minimizes Hamas' actions.
MexicanPizzaGod@reddit
Your country is lead by wanted criminals by the ICJ, you must be soo proud 😂
azure_beauty@reddit
Dude your leaders literally helped an ICC wanted warlord escape justice, the whole organization is a joke. No one cares.
FerdinandTheGiant@reddit
ICC. The ICJ doesn’t prosecute individuals.
muntaser13@reddit
Ironic coming from the dude who downplays and minimizes Israel's actions.
cmonnomorework@reddit
Yeah hamas and their genocidal invasions and murdering of gazans is disgusting though they're supporters crying is hilarious
FerdinandTheGiant@reddit
By “they’re supporters” (shit grammar by the way), you mean people complaining about the execution of civilians for crossing an invisible and arbitrary line?
Disappointing to see an Irishman making dumbass comments like this.
Small-Policy-3859@reddit
You actually believe he's an irishman?
FerdinandTheGiant@reddit
Fair point.
anticomet@reddit
Yes the Israelis are being quite reasonable shooting people who go near the do not cross line. Very normal non genocidal behaviour. Maybe they'll even start letting some food trucks in soon too
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Food trucks are getting let in.
NotActuallyIraqi@reddit
A trickle, not enough to stop famine. Israel broke the deal.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
What famine? Usually people die in a famine. Where are the deaths?
jdorm111@reddit
Is this famine in the room with us now?
NotActuallyIraqi@reddit
I’m sure your ancestors said the same thing about the concentration camps in the 1940s.
jdorm111@reddit
My ancestors? Who are my ancestors according you? What are you assuming?
Thormeaxozarliplon@reddit
Are you suggesting trying to delineate battlefields and then warning civilians not to go into battlefields is a bad thing?
hollow114@reddit
Shouldn't be there anyway. It's like Germany shooting French people in occupied France and being like "well the French should just show Hubert where the Jews are hiding"
Thormeaxozarliplon@reddit
You can't be foolish enough to believe that there should be zero response to Oct 7
hollow114@reddit
69,000 people. Tons of children. Is an appropriate response? Was Hiroshima and Nagasaki an appropriate response? Was the 500k killed in the middle east after 9/11?
No. None of them were.
Thormeaxozarliplon@reddit
The IDF has taken extreme measures to reduce civilian harm. They issue evacuation orders. As OPs post shows they attempt to delineate battlefields and warn civilians not to enter them. The IDF attempted to designate safe zone, even if hamas refused to honor them and fired rockets from them
Hamas refused to wear uniforms, digs tunnels under hospitals, and hides behind its civilians.
The IDF has taken every action to reduce civilian harm while Hamas has taken every measure possible to increase harm to its own civilians.
You have been manipulated to believe the ONLY option in this conflict is that Israel not allowed to anything to defend itself while Hamas commits multiple crimes against humanity
Sad-Broccoli@reddit
They followed evacuation orders. An Israeli airstrike killed them the next day.
"Visual Evidence Shows Israel Dropped 2,000-Pound Bombs Where It Ordered Gaza's Civilians to Move for Safety"
Israeli forces attack ‘safe zones’ in Rafah
Israel has struck at least three locations in Gaza to which it had ordered civilians to evacuate
'Israel kills babies as a hobby': Former IDF general Golan under fire
"Every baby, every child in Gaza is an enemy. The enemy is not Hamas." "We must occupy Gaza and not a single child should remain " -former Israeli Knesset member
"Every accusation a confession: Israel and the double lie of 'human shields'"
Thormeaxozarliplon@reddit
https://youtu.be/bYq-Zm5gjoE?si=dnE8aU5WpDFRlcc4
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
These propaganda videos are pathetic. A guy representing the Jewish People Policy Institute, a far right Israeli think thank, repeats an IDF propaganda point without any evidence. You of course believe them, or pretend to, because it lets the mass murders carry on.
An unsourced video is all it takes to convince you that Israel mass murdering children is justified.
The sad fact is that all the evidence presented showing that the IDF is deliberately mass murdering children is evidence you ignore, in favour of unsubstantiated BS by the IDF so that you can justify ever more mass murder of Palestinians.
Thormeaxozarliplon@reddit
The video literally shows terrorists DRESSED AS CIVILIANS firing rockets at Israeli civilians from a designated humanitarian zone. They are using their own civilians as meat shields.
Are you so blinded by your emotions that you don't see how evil that is? All you can say is "what about the children?!" Don't you see that in this case, Hamas's actions have brought the most harm to its own civilians and their goal is just to murder and rape Israeli civilians?
voidox@reddit
yup, classic hasbara BS, they legit think they can just say shit without a shred of evidence at all and everyone else must take it as truth, all their posts defending Israel are always just this, same for whatever Israel says constantly just spewing shit without evidence as if anything they say is truth.
kiiwithebird@reddit
If you're currently invading another countr, it's pretty hard to claim you're "just defending yourself"...
hollow114@reddit
Uh. Yeah. They're not. Remember how Britain left South Africa? Do that.
Thormeaxozarliplon@reddit
They did leave Gaza in 2005
gut536@reddit
And blocked borders, restricted trade and utilities, began a passive campaign of "mowing the lawn" (murdering gazan men), destroyed their airport, and pressured the international community not to trade with them all while secretly giving funds to hamas with the goal of destabilizing the goal of Palestinian statehood.
But yes! They pulled out in '05!!!!!!!!
Sad-Broccoli@reddit
They still had complete control over Gaza. It was still under occupation.
Ropetrick6@reddit
Ah yes, kidnapping innocent paramedics, handcuffing them, summarily executing them, and hiding the bodies. That's toooooooootally "measures to reduce civilian harm"
DiscountShoeOutlet@reddit
Lol
860v2@reddit
Go whine to Hamas about it. They started this war on October 7th while using their own population as human shields.
gut536@reddit
Why does Israel use human shields to ethnically cleanse the west bank? Send the settlers in first and then back them up with the army when the Palestinians fight for their own homes?
Sad-Broccoli@reddit
"Every accusation a confession: Israel and the double lie of 'human shields'"
celloh234@reddit
if your suggested response is shooting random civilians then you should be in jail
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Shooting people who don’t cross a “do not cross” line is evil unless you are a Zionist and doing the shooting…
Zellgun@reddit
What battlefield? There’s a ceasefire, there’s not supposed be any battles going on.
Proper_Razzmatazz_36@reddit
But a ceasefire doesn't mean the war is over, it means to cease fire. And when the conditions to the ceasefire are not kept, then the cease part stops, cause that's the entire point of a ceasefire deal, to have a set of rules that should be kept and so long as the rules are kept, there is no fighting.
So for example, crossing where the border is supposed to be for the ceasefire is an example of a reason you would be shot
MexicanPizzaGod@reddit
There never was a ceasefire cause israel never stopped killing and bombing Palestinians. You can't be the one to brake the ceasefire and then start killing people because they violated some arbitrary rules you just fucking made up
860v2@reddit
They're just mad that they can't use dead Palestinians to earn upvotes on Reddit anymore.
cmonnomorework@reddit
Homeboy doesn't understand the definition of genocide, oh well a few more years of war should teach you
randompersononearth9@reddit
Yeah lets just start executing people for not following some imagenary line because we destroyed 90% of their land a d killed thousands of innocent children. But please dont call us nazi's because we are the most moral society ever created and touched by god himself right?
The israeli propaganda military like yourself should be named and shamed so everyone knows that you supported this insane government.
That netanyahu dick up your ass must be nice if you are willing to defend them after all this.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
The line was agreed to in the ceasefire deal. There’s no other way to enforce the line. That’s the reality of the situation, doesn’t have anything to do with morality.
jdorm111@reddit
How would you enforce a ceasefire?
randompersononearth9@reddit
Exclude trump and netanyahu first of all. They do not have the best intentions for either side and netanyahu is a war criminal. He has no place in any peace solution. He should be in the hague before any talks of peace start
They should not have any say in this and neither should any of their representatives.
But of course that will never happen because the world is too corrupt for real peace and justice.
jdorm111@reddit
Hiw would you exclude the leader of one of the warring parties that has also won the war?
Are you even seriously thinking about this?
randompersononearth9@reddit
Like i said the world is to corrupt and unjust for this to happen. All we can do is watch along as a war criminal forces his terms of a ceasefire to go and break it because of some bullshit stipulations loke yellow lines or whatever.
How many ceasefires has he broken already that he himself negotiated during his reign? He assassinated the few who actually came close to something and took power after that.
But lets try again. Maybe this time it works.
Theamazingquinn@reddit
Its such a shame that the zionist state will have to be dismantled for the middle east to be safe. Everyone told the Israelis not to commit genocide, but they couldn't help it and now a Jewish state cannot exist. Its just really too bad. Just shows you have to follow international law. Glad the rest of the world is waking up to the violence the zionist state and we can see the beginning of the end now.
jdorm111@reddit
"Follow international law, dismantle a state of 10 million people because of a war that state didn't start. I am a moral person."
BehemothDeTerre@reddit
He means international sharia.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Beginning of the end? I assume that the end is the end of the Jewish state. How is that starting to happen?
Theamazingquinn@reddit
I assume you want to keep asking questions in bad faith? How is that going?
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
No, I’m genuinely interested in finding out how you think Israel is going to be destroyed. Not to debate, of course, but I love seeing where people like you have their heads at if they believe Israel being destroyed is at all realistic.
Zellgun@reddit
What do you mean Israel has to be destroyed? Was the Soviet Union destroyed when it was dismantled? Was South Africa destroyed when they dismantled apartheid?
Why do Israel sympathisers ALWAYS look at violence as the answer. It reveals a lot about their mentality.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Well, for starters, Palestinians see violence as the answer. Second, Israel isn’t really big enough to be broken up into smaller states. Third, Palestinians have made it clear they’d “cleanse the land of Jews” if they retook the land. Fourth, Israel is strong enough that it’s not just going to dismantle on its own. Therefore, violence would be the most likely and realistic way Israel is ever dismantled, though of course even that is horribly unrealistic.
Zellgun@reddit
And there you go ladies and gentlemen. Here’s the views of this commenter that sheds light to why they support massacring Palestinians over a fake line.
The Nazis also held bigoted views that generalized the global Jewish population as well. Nice to see your true views exposed.
BehemothDeTerre@reddit
The true views of Hamas_titties. You don't even have to leave this thread to see generalisations about Israeli. Hell, you don't even have to leave this comment chain!
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
I’m guessing you haven’t seen recent Palestinian polls. They’re in favor of a single state solution but also believe Israel doesn’t have a right to exist, are in favor of more armed groups, support for Hamas is increasing, don’t believe Israel will be around in the next 50 years or so, don’t think atrocities were committed on Oct 7th, think Oct 7th was a positive thing, and a myriad of other things. You’re the ignorant one here, I’m afraid. Not me.
celloh234@reddit
people who suffered almost 70k casualties in just two years having extremist thoughts about their opressing genocidal apartheid invaders? No way.... Now lets hear the israeli polls and how the majority of them wants to outright genocide
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Palestinians thought that way before Oct 7th.
celloh234@reddit
palestinians have been under apartheid rule for 80 years
GothicGolem29@reddit
Yes the Soviet Union was destroyed in that it ceased to exist the country collapsed and different countries split off like Russia Ukraine etc etc.
redditing_away@reddit
You won't get any answers aside from "you're asking in bad faith", "you're a zionist", etc.
I have yet to hear a credible plan on how to dismantle a country with a massive conventional and nuclear arsenal that has fought and won wars decades before they got the support of the world's superpower.
Is that support waning? Sure, but that alone won't bring Israel down. Neither are other influential parties interested in its downfall (China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, India, etc.). So there's got to be something more but somehow no one can say what it is.
cmonnomorework@reddit
lol, hamas fanboy can cry all day lone, meanwhile every day the idf reduces more and more hamas hahaha. The world laughs at you and the news cycles have moved on. Keep crying its very fun to read
meister2983@reddit
I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not
GothicGolem29@reddit
Israel is not going to be dismantled they have allies a powerful military and nukes.
Tsofuable@reddit
Sort of like North Korea.
DanDan1993@reddit
"it's such a shame"
Yeah I truly believe you believe in these words.
The__Machinist@reddit
I could never understand one thing about you Yankees. What's up with all that love and sucking for Israel. Blows my mind. I could maybe understand for politicians, they get paid...But ordinary simple human mortals, like wtf is going on there.
Virtual-Pension-991@reddit
The biggest contributor I can think of is the fact that Israel remains the only strong opposition towards Iran.
Other's within the middle-east either hug foreign militaries and private militaries to do the dirty work for them.
TeethBreak@reddit
Wrong on all accounts except Iran.
It's all about the money. The US doesn't give a flying fuck about it being a Jewish state. They need Israel to be able to have a stronghold for their military in the middle east. That's why they are besties with the Saudis and the Qataris
Gentle reminder that Ben Laden and his gang were Saudis... Who's mortal and historical enemy is Iran. So in order to keep the money flowing the US has to be against Iran and has been doing their dirt work for decades without a single second thought about the people and the citizens. That's why the US toppled Iran democracy and tried to install a puppet government in the and why Iran's government is in direct opposition to the US nowadays.
Everything else is a fucking lie.
Ask any veteran of the area and they'll tell you that they have orders to obey Israel as they are the client. They cannot defend people or react when they see Tsahal doing bat shit insane stuff.
Virtual-Pension-991@reddit
That's a modern idea friend, so Israel does blend well with modern rules.
And Israel is undeniably a large contribution of technology that even the US has used.
But I will not disagree with your point, to a degree, it does all come down to money as a reason to continue the war.
meister2983@reddit
I didn't get why so many Europeans suck up for Palestine.
Like I get not liking Israel, but waving the flag of a society primarily known for intransigence, terrorism and self destructiveness? Really don't get it
860v2@reddit
It blows your mind because you hate the West and are under the impression that everyone else does too.
The__Machinist@reddit
Whether I like or hate West will remain a mystery, but I genuinely can't understand why they adore Israel so much? I understand some of them are paid bots but still. Crazy times we live in.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
What about the quoted statement don’t you understand? The allies dictated rules in occupied Germany. Israel is dictating rules in occupied Gaza.
gut536@reddit
Israel actually stated the conflict by ethnically cleansing Palestinians from their land in the 60s, but keep pretending that history began on Oct 7! Ot sure doesn't make you sound like a genocide apologist or anything!
GothicGolem29@reddit
Israel can only dictate rules that are inline with international law. Shooting civilians approaching the yellow line seems highly illegal let alone morally aeful
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
It was agreed in the ceasefire agreement.
GothicGolem29@reddit
I have seen nothing in the ceasefire agreement that says Israel can shoot people who approach the yellow line so please provide a source for that
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Israel and Hamas both agreed on the yellow line. Do you somehow think Israel can cross that line without consequence or Hamas can cross it without consequence?
pjjmd@reddit
Wait, so if Israel approaches the yellow line, Hamas can shoot them?
GothicGolem29@reddit
We are not talking about those two crossing it we are talking about civs
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Hamas doesn’t wear uniforms when it attacks Israel. How is Israel supposed to know who’s a civilian and who’s a Hamas fighter when they’re approaching the line?
Sad-Broccoli@reddit
Exactly, that's why Israel just HAS to shoot every single living being existing in Gaza
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
No, just the ones approaching the yellow line when they’re expressly told not to.
Tsofuable@reddit
The IDF also use civilian cars and clothing, so it goes both ways.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Hamas already killed civilians regardless of their actions. Do you support Israel doing the same?
jdorm111@reddit
How do you know they were civilians?
Best_Change4155@reddit
Palestinians agreed to the yellow line of the ceasefire. It is international law.
GothicGolem29@reddit
One Hamas agreed not Palestinians Two agreeing to something does not mean you can legally shoot them for it....
Best_Change4155@reddit
Hamas is the government of Gaza. It is an international agreement, enforced by international actors.
What they agreed to are the battle lines for the ceasefire. Israel withdrew to the yellow line and those are the new battle lines.
GothicGolem29@reddit
Defacto sure Dejure no and they have ruled by armed force without any election for years. Their choices are not something all Gazans will follow. The agreement can be enforced but enforcement need to be appropriate killing civs is not.
Those are not battle lines they are withdrawal lines to be battle lines there needs to be a battle the fighting is supposed to cease now.
Best_Change4155@reddit
De Jure literally doesn't matter.
So has Fatah.
Killing whoever crosses the yellow line is appropriate during the war. It is part of the agreement they signed. If the Palestinians have an issue with it, they should petition their government.
Incorrect. The war is still going on. Ceasefire means a pause in active military engagements. The line isn't moving.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
“Approach” not “cross.” Israelis and their defenders are scum. They set up a line that they you shouldn’t cross, then they use that line as an excuse to murder people who haven’t crossed the line. Combine that with the fact that it’s hard to see an invisible line and there are some areas with few markers it’s really obvious this is just an excuse Israel uses to murder people.
PuertoricanMofongo@reddit
Your comment HAS to be psyop to get more people to hate Israel. Who reads this and says "yep, these are the guys I'm going to support" lol.
cmonnomorework@reddit
Hey the hamas fanboys have already gotten everyone including reddits biggest subs to hate you guys :) keep it up~
UndesirableOldMan@reddit
Unfortanely zionists do think like that, palestinians are no more than savage animals to these guys
PuertoricanMofongo@reddit
It's insane. Thank god he's glad only 1 or 3 are dying daily (according to him, it's most likely more). Unreal to see how they value other's lives.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
People who actually know what’s going on?
muntaser13@reddit
u/bot-sleuth-bot
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Yikes. I got bad news for you.
blown-transmission@reddit
Hamas should've just said stop having a music festival in our occupied land just outside border
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Hamas should have surrendered, or not attacked at all.
Accomplished-Fly4678@reddit
Beyond disingenuous to say “civilians should be kept safe” and defend the occupying force
860v2@reddit
How many bomb shelters has Hamas built for its civilians?
Sad-Broccoli@reddit
How exactly are they supposed to build bomb shelters when Israel doesn't allow in the materials to build them?
Also do you think a bomb shelter is going to protect anyone from all those bunker buster bombs?
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Hamas was able to build tunnels extensively in Gaza. The materials they used for that could have been used to make bomb shelters instead.
meister2983@reddit
Israel doesn't allow rockets and guns to be imported. Somehow they figured that one out
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Germans would have been safer if Nazi Germany never started WW2. Same goes for Palestinians and Hamas.
WiredUpBrainJuice@reddit
it’s almost like it didn’t matter if they’re Arabic.
GothicGolem29@reddit
The festival was in recognised Israel
ThanksToDenial@reddit
No they do not.
According to international law, displaced people have a right to return to their homes after hostilities cease. And there is supposed to be a ceasefire, is there not?
In other words, Israel has no right to impede any displaced people returning to their homes. Doing so, especially by firing on civilians, is a blatant and disgusting violation of International Humanitarian Law.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
The ceasefire line was agreed on in the ceasefire agreements. The only way to enforce the line and protect IDF soldiers is to shoot anyone who comes close. Those that approach the line have no decide since it’s cleared demarked and they’ve been expressly prohibited from approaching it.
xccehlsiorz@reddit
Bati used to be believable 😔
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Truth is bati? How far down the rabbit hole are you?
waiver@reddit
You are too deep in the rabbi hole
CiaphasCain8849@reddit
"don't go past this point in your own country. we might just shoot you anyway."
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
East Berliners weren’t allowed to go into West Berlin, despite it still being the same country.
pickllerickk@reddit
What about the international rules of engagemtn? Y'all can't makeup and follow rules whenever it pleases you.
I guess can't expect more from a racist state
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
The line is something that both Hamas and Israel agreed on in the ceasefire agreement.
DonnyDimello@reddit
As an "American", why are you carrying water for the Israeli government, justifying civilian deaths as reasonable when it's clear the Israeli's are nothing less than barbaric during this ethnic cleansing operation. Isreal has done starvation, rape, torture, targeted assasination of press, sniping children in the head that pose no threat... its a genocide and we should not be funding it or carting watter for it.
Brave-Battle-2615@reddit
You are a gross person
Gubbinso@reddit
Ah yes, the only democracy in the Middle East engaging in peaceful cooperation with the locals by educating them on the agreed yellow line, the IDF fires at them and the Gazans cease to be. I'm sure the average civilian has faith in Israel's commitment to long term peace.
Meanwhile, the peaceful and highly moral "visits" by settlers into the West Bank have reached historic levels. While supported by the "most moral army on earth", the settlers attended wonderful events involuntarily hosted by Palestinians such as lamb tossing, clubbing at their local olive garden and lovingly emptying their drinking reservoirs into the ground.
cmonnomorework@reddit
So why hasn't your hamas relinquished power per the agreement and are executing gazans on the street? Oh well, guess ppl are sad their hamas can't murder and rape everyone they see as their leaders have vowed to do so again and again
Call_Me_Clark@reddit
“Your Hamas”
Outing yourself in a single comment.
bouguerean@reddit
I think the IDF has the murdering and raping well covered, and we actually have evidence on that front.
You can quit your whining about Hamas, that tactic is long played out.
Virtual-Pension-991@reddit
Saying there's no evidence of Hamas violence or shutting down anti-war or anti-Hamas sentiment is a bit counter intuitive to peace though.
Hamas isn't the perfect organization whatsoever, just the armed wing the Gazans needed.
But we also need to call out Hamas if we want to maintain a balance or else Israel will also start whining and excusing themselves like it has done.
bouguerean@reddit
That isn't what I said at all though, and I don't think the person above is anti-war, either.
They're attacking anyone criticizing Israel by saying we must be sad that "Hamas can't murder and rape" anymore. That was what I ridiculed.
There's no need for you to sanewash their statement.
Virtual-Pension-991@reddit
I'm speaking to you, not that guy.
randompersononearth9@reddit
Its nobody's hamas, that song is getting old. Ask for some new propaganda material next time you have netanyahu's dick down your throat.
MexicanPizzaGod@reddit
There is only shame for you left.
DTFpanda@reddit
Remember when the bombings continued for 6 months and the death toll remained at 60k? That was a year ago, and only 9k more people are dead?
The reality is - 69k people is the number that people can justify in their heads as "reasonable" so the slaughtering can continue without much resistance.
anonymosoctopus@reddit
Huh? A year ago the death toll was about 43k.
https://data.techforpalestine.org/docs/casualties-daily/
DTFpanda@reddit
Okay, "around" a year ago then. The number was frozen at 60k for many many months.
anonymosoctopus@reddit
Again, no. It reached 60k at the end of July. That’s not really frozen.
DTFpanda@reddit
Whatever the number was, it was frozen. Not sure why you are trying to convince me otherwise when 43k --> 69k in one year is also bullshit.
anonymosoctopus@reddit
I don’t know why you’re trying to convince yourself that it was frozen when you can just look at the figures I’ve given. I think you’re just making stuff up.
layland_lyle@reddit
And Hamas confirmed that 58,000 were combatants, making the civilian death count the lowest ratio in the history of the world ever by more than a long way.
Small-Policy-3859@reddit
Source?
Stippings@reddit
Their ass, genocidecountry already accounts 80% of the casualties are civilians
bouguerean@reddit
Lol I can't tell if this is satire
Khers@reddit
So they can just execute Palestinians and claim they were in the wrong place? And people are defending this?
We've all seen the videos of IDF sniping people on soccer fields and laughing back in 2018. Who's to say this isn't just the continuation of that depravity?
Until international journalists are allowed not a single IDF or Israeli claim should be believed.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
It’s Israel. No atrocity is too evil for Zionists. They will defend anything and everything Israel does because they have no red lines and they never will...
SajCrypto@reddit
As of June 2025, 82% of Jewish Israelis support the forcible expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza and 56% support expelling Palestinian citizens of Israel.
https://archive.ph/4ioWh
As of August 2025, 78% of Jewish Israelis said Israel is making substantial efforts to avoid unnecessary suffering, 15% said Israel could reduce suffering but chooses not to and 7 said they didn’t know. 79% said they were not so troubled or not at all troubled personally by events in Gaza. https://en.idi.org.il/articles/60357
As of October 2025, 39% of Jewish Americans said Israel is committing genocide, 51% said they are not committing genocide and 10% had no opinion. 61% said they had committed war crimes, 29% said they hadn’t and 10% offered no opinion.
https://archive.ph/4Sj9B
The Jewish population of Israel is 6.839 million and the Jewish population of the US is 5.7 million out of a world Jewish population of 15.7 million.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country
If 80% of Jewish Israelis support the genocide that’s 5.471 million and if 50% of Jewish Americans support the genocide that’s 2.85 million totalling 8.321 million. Therefore based on these figures at least 53% of Jewish people worldwide support or at least deny the genocide. Higher if we assume that some chunk of the 10% who had no opinion just didn’t want to share their opinion. I've not seen data for other countries but we can assume that figure would increase some at least based on videos of Jewish counterprotesters doing insane things like shouting ‘you’re not a real Jew’ at Hasidic Jews protesting against Israel’s genocide.
knign@reddit
Absolutely amusing reporting from AJ.
Can someone please translate it for me, who allegedly “attacked” the man in the Bureij refugee camp?
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