What is an actual high value skill to learn now?
Posted by MudboneX3@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 430 comments
Back in my day (2020) I was trying to learn coding like everyone else probably was, but with AI it seems silly to even attempt it again. Same with all the old school ideas like copywriting , marketing. I actually do have a motivation to give myself better chances at having a better career but have no idea what to do
ComfortableFlower996@reddit
Coding still is high in demand… but it’s not 2020 anymore where some rando who did an 8 week bootcamp gets hired. Software engineers who can code and design GOOD software is demand
DonBenson@reddit
Plumbing, plastering, gas, electrics, painting and decorating, glazing, bricklaying, gardening. All are jobs that will always be required and also keep costs down because you can do it yourself at home.
W51976@reddit
Yes, but they have a shelf life of 15-20 years. The reason I say this is, most people I know have health issues from working physically demanding jobs.
GeordieJumper@reddit
You'll fuck your body up long term but a shelf life of 15-20 years is bollocks. I've done labouring, forestry, fencing, landscaping and arb. All of those jobs with older guys who could still do it all physically and were very good at their jobs. You could just as easily fuck your body up with desk jobs or hobbies.
redditor-16@reddit
Yeah I work removals with guys in their late 50s even 60s still going. Depends on the person
thunderfishy234@reddit
I think the difference is that fucking your body up will stop you working in those jobs, but wouldn’t stop you working most desk jobs.
No-Championship9542@reddit
Well desk jobs increase your chance of dying of a heart attack by 34%, death is normally bad for your career.
thunderfishy234@reddit
No, desk jobs don’t increase your chance of dying of a heart attack by 34% , prolonged sitting increases your risk of a heart attack. The majority of people I know working a desk job get 12k or more steps in a day , either by commuting or going to a gym, and take frequent breaks during work hours to go for a walk, something which a lot of companies encourage.
No-Championship9542@reddit
Ok that's weird as a lot of the desk job people I know are huge fatties, who eat mcdonalds everyday and never walk anywhere.
If you work a desk job all your life your risk of heart attack will be significantly elevated compared to trades, etc.
thunderfishy234@reddit
I can honestly say the vast majority of people who work in my office appear to be fit and healthy and aren’t overweight.
A desk job isn’t conducive to an active lifestyle I agree, but they often give you the flexibility to have an active lifestyle if you choose to have one; people aren’t chained to their desks.
And on the subject of injuries etc, as I mentioned in another comment, a remote worker could work from their hospital bed if they needed to and could be riddled with injuries but still work comfortably up until retirement as it doesn’t hinder their ability or safety.
No-Championship9542@reddit
Yeah but most people follow path of least resistance, just allowing them to be healthy doesn't make them so. My brother is a desk worker, they just have a piss up after work everyday. 2 pints a day for a whole office probably isn't adding to people's health stats, particularly as they sit down all day.
Ah but you miss the magic of being a plumber or electrician, by the time your body is broken you don't have to work anymore. Having spent years earning good money, you have your own buisness and staff, you don't have to do anything manual just have your cheap apprentices do it for you. You then just sign it off and check everything has been done up to code, you morph into a teacher and manager rather than the grafter. I mean I know people at 30-35 who are already at that stage.
thunderfishy234@reddit
Again though I think it’s more a stereotype and assumption regarding having piss ups after work , maybe I’m just boring but I rarely go out for work drinks as it’s not my thing, I can’t speak for everyone but I think different companies have different cultures around that stuff.
I know plumbers who spend half their day in a van, travelling to jobs and once they’re there, they don’t do much cardio, they eat fast food for convenience and are overweight because of it. You could argue that the path of least resistance applies to any kind of job, and is more dependant on the individual’s desire to be healthier.
And yeah it’s a good point, but how many plumbers/electricians go on to own their own firm? If it applied to everyone then eventually there’d be more firms than you could count and you’d have a saturated market surely?
W51976@reddit
And that’s what some people here fail to take on board.
I could still work a remote job with knee issues and back pain, and still earn money. I can’t do that if I’m a roofer, plumber or carpenter, if all of a sudden I develop joint problems.
thunderfishy234@reddit
I think the problem with these conversations is it starts to get a bit tribal in a weird way, where people get defensive about it. But like you’ve said, the fact is that a remote worker could literally work from a hospital bed if they needed to.
My step dad is a carpenter and Injured his wrist so was out of work for 6 months+ as he had to wait for surgery, then recover etc, but for an office or remote worker there’s a number of things you could do to still work with an injured wrist.
W51976@reddit
Not the mention the financial problems one will encounter. If you can’t work for 6 months in a trade, you don’t get paid. That’s one massive downside for me.
GeordieJumper@reddit
In my experience the older guys adapt to fucking their bodies up. They carry less, use mechanical aids, change the way they work but still do their jobs. Of course proper injuries like losing a hand or something will take you out the game but those incidents are rare and can just as easily happen at 18 as 60
W51976@reddit
I don’t necessarily mean something as severe as losing a hand. I’m referring to joint issues, knee or lower back pain, which can build gradually over time. The person might appear ok, and could still carry out tasks, but it hampers your quality of life.
GeordieJumper@reddit
Yeah for sure. I've got bad lower back pain and sciatica and I'm 35 and have been out those industries for 4 years. It definitely takes its toll on joints etc but it definitely doesn't have a shelf life of 15-20 years.
I know a lot of people who fucked their bodies up just as much from their hobbies like downhill biking, motorbikes, skiing etc.
W51976@reddit
You can’t make comparisons. One is a hobby and one is a job.
Amazing-Heron-105@reddit
You see a bunch of old boys on site. Just make sure you've got a pension I guess.
Omegul@reddit
Lots are hardly surviving, I’ve watched an 80 year old have to walk up 15 flights of stairs daily, it isn’t pretty
de-tree-fiddy@reddit
Hence the 'make sure you've got a pension'
patatadislexica@reddit
It isn't pretty seeing anyone walk up 15 flights of stairs hahaha
Wood_Whacker@reddit
You didn't meet the other ones because they either got out when they could or can't carry on.
i_am_simple_bob@reddit
Exactly that.
https://thedecisionlab.com/biases/survivorship-bias
GeordieJumper@reddit
Survivorship bias is real and I'm aware of it. But I'd be willing to bet there's more people working their whole lives in those industries than transitioned out or fucked themselves up so bad they can't work again. I was replying directly to the shelf life of 15-20 years which is bollocks.
W51976@reddit
It’s not bollocks. Unless you assume nobody has to stop working a trade after this time, due to injury or some other form or wear and tear.
GeordieJumper@reddit
Maybe we have different ideas on what shelf life means. For me it means everyone has to stop working trades after 20 years. Some people may have to stop by then or before then but not everyone and not even the majority
North-Village3968@reddit
Exactly, I am the example of this. I have just got out of doing groundworks for an IT based remote role.
My body is ruined it’s probably going to take a few months to recover. I’ve done groundworks for over 4 years 5-6 days a week. There’s nothing left of me my back, shoulders, neck, elbows all hurt. I’m 33 but I feel 83 in the mornings. It’s a young man’s job
W51976@reddit
Yeah but the ‘my father is 80 And has lifted bricks since he was 18’ brigade won’t listen.
NiteSection@reddit
My back, shoulders and neck were hurting me after just 2 months in an office job. Not for me, did not have pain in other physical jobs in such quick time
W51976@reddit
You can stretch or do some indoor exercises before going to an office job.
adymann@reddit
My mate got that hole near his arse thing (anal fistula) from sitting in office chairs, I'm an outside worker and that scared me.
space_absurdity@reddit
My mate got Tennis Elbow from being a ponce. That scared me.
Paskie06@reddit
“A ponce” lol. Shhhhh you can’t say things like that these days.
W51976@reddit
There’s plenty of them lol
Ambitious_Coconut_65@reddit
You can if you’re a tradie on a building site
Vinous-Explorer193@reddit
He wouldn’t have got an anal fistula just from sitting in an office chair. There must have been problems with his diet or his wiping technique as well.
Nice_Back_9977@reddit
Probably a pilonidal sinus. Common amongst HGV drivers.
AdmiralJTK@reddit
Yeah, he didn’t get it from that….
🏳️🌈
jimbo16__@reddit
This.
My desk job renders me inactive for 6 hours a day, 5 days a week. My fitness has dropped off a cliff and my waist band is climbing
W51976@reddit
You just contradicted yourself.
GeordieJumper@reddit
How?
kermitor@reddit
working manual labour for 11 years made me ache, almost 2 years of a sedentary job made me unhealthy
W51976@reddit
Speak for yourself mate. I know people who have injured themselves longterm. So, you are the one talking nonsense
Kelsiersdaggers@reddit
Proves literally fuck all. I know a guy who had a heart attack at his desk. So what? Proves nothing. Go to any shipyard or building site, always auld cunts there.
UrchinJoe@reddit
Obviously there's an upper limit, but 20 years? That would mean most people with manual jobs were leaving the workforce at about 40 years old, which I don't think is typical. My dad was a mechanic for about double that time. It definitely took a physical toll though, I don't disagree with that.
PassageBig622@reddit
To be fair he can just respond with the complete opposite of your comment and say you are the one talking nonsense. Both of you are just speaking anecdotally.
W51976@reddit
Who yanked your chain? lol
PassageBig622@reddit
I wasn't saying you were in the wrong mate! Just saying that you both can just say the other one is "talking nonsense" due to it being an anecdotal opinion - no harm intended!
zeon66@reddit
Follow most health and safety stuff along with working with people who do and you SHOULD be alright about 85% of the time. Yes, freak accidents occur and it depends on how you work as well, going flat out all the time and not looking after your body will definitely screw you up eventually.
Tao626@reddit
I know more people with work related injuries and illness who work in an office than in the engineering environment I work in, mostly consisting of "old boys" who've done it their whole life...Oh, and the lady at ALDI who lost a hand in the box crusher.
You can get work related injuries and illness anywhere. As long as you're doing things safely and properly with the right equipment, you're likely going to be fine. Especially with modern equipment and regulations.
It's the "health and safety is for women" people that do things in the worst way possible to show how manly they they are who end up with robot legs applying for disability...Which is taking a while as the office worker processing it has carpal tunnel.
Remarkable-Shoe-4835@reddit
most tradies start when at around 16 so you’re saying they pack up when they’re 30-40?😂 Some tradies have to be practically forced to stop lol
ChargrilledB@reddit
Electrics, physical? Good one.
bonjajr@reddit
Sitting in a chair all day in front of a pc will do you way more harm than being a decorator or a brickie…..
W51976@reddit
Not necessarily. You can go for a walk on your lunch break, head to the gym after work, or exercise at home before and after work.
theNixher@reddit
15-20 years? As long as you practice safe lifting and handling, you're fine. If anything the physical demands of construction jobs keep you fit and healthy vs pen pushers getting fat and unhealthy.
W51976@reddit
Utter nonsense lol. Why do so many people have joint problems in their 50s, after working a trade for 15-20 years.
CoffeeandaTwix@reddit
Most trades people in their 50s have been at it considerably longer than 15-20 years.
A lot of sedentary people get joint problems, especially as they age.
W51976@reddit
Not everyone. Some people go into trades in their mid 30s.
CoffeeandaTwix@reddit
Of course but it's more common to start considerably younger
W51976@reddit
But you said most people. Not everyone does.
CoffeeandaTwix@reddit
Not all is a non sequitor to most because it isn't a negation of it.
Sure 'most' does not mean all but that is a well understood part of the meaning of most so countering with it adds nothing.
TotalBeginnerLol@reddit
MOST people in trades started them right out of school.
W51976@reddit
More wear and tear in trades. Come on, there’s no argument there.
theNixher@reddit
I don't think you've interacted with enough real people working in trades or offices.
I've watched one friend go from being a tradie, building up some good money, to working in an office for the 'comfort". He's now fat, miserable and no better off money wise, infact with the pay in construction nowadays, he's very likely worse off.
Another friend worked in "insurance" I'm not even sure he knew what his job really was. Anyway. He retrained as a floorer and works North London, he's now doing very well contracting for a major amtico supplier raking it in, and is of course, as healthy as ever.
mata_dan@reddit
Bravado of deliberately doing things wrong on site.
Inside-Definition-42@reddit
50s means 50-59.
Maths would suggest 15-20 year before means starting their trade at 30-44? How many people did you know at the turn of the millennium STARTING a trade in their 30s and early 40s?
Most tradesman having issues in their 50s would have 34-40+ years of work. Over double your suggested time.
Charlie_Mouse@reddit
Actually knew a few - mostly trying to break out of the non-stop merry-go-round of joy and laughter that is corporate IT. Some made it, some did not.
W51976@reddit
You sound quite defensive. I know someone who started a trade in their mid 30s.
Inside-Definition-42@reddit
I don’t think it was common 15-20+ years ago. Which would put them in their 50s now.
Your last message said ‘why do so many people…..’
Now you say you know one single person who started in mid 30s.
Someone in their 50s would be an outlier if only in a trade under 20 years. The vast majority start 16-21
Responsible_Ebb3962@reddit
Bullshit. My father is 67 been a plumber since 16. Still moves around, lifts things, can put together pipes and fit toilets and boilers no bother. If anything it's kept him active and strong. It only fucks you up if you don't move properly. Lift and manipulate weight you can and use mechanical aids on stuff you can't.
You think sitting in an office for 20-40 years does good things to the body?
W51976@reddit
Why do we come back to the ‘sitting in the office for 20-40 years’ argument, to back up the claim, that working a trade for many years won’t negatively impact your body.
Responsible_Ebb3962@reddit
Because it's a good example of how if you don't take personal responsibility of your own health you can end up fucked. For every tradesman that drinks energy drinks, eats greggs pasties and moves stuff they shouldn't with crap form there's those who are too sedentary which is known to bad for your health too. The only time I hear the argument that trades have short shelf life is from people who've never used a screwdriver beyond IKEA furniture. The trades are nowhere near as bad people make out. I made the move from white collar work to blue to become an electrician and it's been eye opening.
Your point boils down to doing anything with the body negatively impacts it. Of course going to work can harm the body. This is for every profession. Doctors, nurses, trades and solicitors all do some damage to their body through either physically moving too much or too little. At the same time being active also builds strength and resilience something sitting in a chair and looking at computer screens doesn't do. At the end of the day my father is in his retirement who had been a plumber for his whole career and apart from some blood pressure issues is actually doing well so trades work doesn't fuck your body up unless you actually try.
W51976@reddit
I was a decorator for a while, but gave it up, because I found it tiring. Sanding down framework became tedious after a number of years.
mcnoodles1@reddit
Nah my dad's been a bricky for 50 years, he's definitely feeling it but that's the hardest one on your body. Most of the other trades are a day at the fair compared to Bricklaying.
W51976@reddit
Also plastering is horrible. The damp gets into your joints.
Wizard_PI@reddit
Most people who are in trades and still need to work as they get older usually transition into less physically demanding jobs. Such as test/inspecting, management, foremen etc.
I would recommend the utilities sectors specifically electrical and water transmission distribution or generation. There’s a lot of money in these roles, entry level jobs are quite easy to get in and work your way up if you want or find the graft too hard. They always have options to up-skill yourself available and we’re going to have to practically rebuild and massively expand these networks. It’s recession proof and always gets inflation plus a year. No brainer.
Diavoletto21@reddit
This take is pretty old school. The only reason this happened was because there was very little in the health & safety / ergonomics behind those jobs in the early days. People didn't have the proper mechanical aids, ppe, working equipment etc. So ended up with health issues because of it.
Every big company now takes this alot more seriously. Way more things for us workers so we dont break ourselves doing the job.
Not to mention the "masculine" culture that surrounded those jobs in the past. Examples being people not wearing ear defenders or gloves because they think they're "hard" or "dont need no help". Bitch put your ear defenders on you're gonna go deaf.
Expert-Let-238@reddit
I dunno what fairy dream world this kid lives in but the “masculine culture” is very much still a thing, as is the “were a family” grooming culture. companies only care about health and safety when HSE is making a visit to site. Not to mention the mass clinical depression and other mental health issues that are a epidemic in the industry
W51976@reddit
Or painters who don’t wear a face mask while sanding down.
Necessary-Leading-20@reddit
Massively overstating things. I'm 40 working forestry and while I've lost a bit of speed, when I go on the saw I can still keep up pretty comfortably and my technique is better than most of the young fallers so I'm doing things they can't.
Have you ever met farmers? Their average age is about 60. Every tradie I use is significantly older than me. Hell my go-to mobile welder is 70 and has been doing the job 52 years.
You're going to get health issues as you get older. Avoiding life because you're worried about that, is not healthy.
W51976@reddit
Yeah, but the OP was unsure about what line of work to pursue that’s AI proof. Doesn’t necessarily mean they need to get into a trade.
Expert-Let-238@reddit
It’s the mental health epidemic in the industry that’s the leading course for the shorter career actually not the physical demands on the body
W51976@reddit
Don’t you mean, ‘employer exploitation’ or the one that seems to be banded about quite a lot now ‘toxic workplace’, which has led to many individuals going on the sick on a regular basis.
Many people are also underpaid for the work they are expected to do.
thesteelmaker@reddit
I have been in physically demanding jobs for 38 years now. I have very bad tinnitus from working on an Electric Arc Furnace and a damaged kidney from the constant dehydration from that job. My current job has left me with a bad back, bad shoulder, bad hip and working in the sun all day has made me light sensitive.
Long story short, I wish I had had a cushier job 20 years ago.
W51976@reddit
Try telling that to the defensive morons ‘I’ve worked in trades for 20 plus years and I’m in physically good shape’ gang.
They fail to understand not everyone can run their body into the ground over a long period of time.
Left_Web_4558@reddit
I don't know if the same applies to trades, but at least for nursing and care work the evidence shows that even if you always follow good manual handling practice, doing the job for a long time is almost guaranteed to cause health problems.
W51976@reddit
Yeah, it depends on the individual, but it will wear the body down in time.
We probably need to take up martial arts or boxing like these hard tradesmen pushing 60 in the comments section.
thesteelmaker@reddit
I'm now late 50's and overweight. The work I did left me semi muscular, not bodybuilder muscles, but my arms and legs are solid. But the damage done has left me slower than I was so I have gained a lot of weight around the middle. I can't lift much now, otherwise I can't stand up properly the following morning. My right shoulder gives me a lot of pain, with some movements, so washing my top left side is very painful. The Tinnitus, is my fault for not wearing ear protection all the time, on a furnace that hit 150 decibels when boring down on scrap. I did lots of things that if I went back in time, I would not do again, because only the company gained from it, not me. The damage from being at my current company for 13 years, could have been less, but I am a workaholic and always give more. Even when I get pissed off about getting paid the same as the lazy people he have, I still can't slow myself down. I am trying to reduce what I do, but it is difficult.
mata_dan@reddit
A+ response.
Severe_Beginning2633@reddit
I cycled for 20 years off-road on mountain bikes with big thick tyres. I also snowboarded every year for similar.
Now despite a nice cushy desk job my knees are bad, probably due to sitting a bit casual too.
You can’t win really, repetitive motion and positions will wear a body out.
All the best
MathematicianOnly688@reddit
Manual labour wears down your body for sure but not this much. Being a gardener after 35-40 is not difficult unless you’ve seriously abused your body.
W51976@reddit
Diet is key, just as well as exercise. But, what happens when you can’t work anymore due to an injury, back or knee issue. Some people have those problems in their 50s, and can’t continue to work in their trade, despite the fact they enjoy it.
They get signed off work, with no pay(especially if your self employed).
You want to be able to work in a job, that pays you while you sleep, and not a job that requires you to be out in all weathers.
I’m just trying to get the OP really think about a job that has more security in the long run, without negatively impacting their physical health.
You can throw all the ‘I do boxing, Brazilian jujitsu’ at me until the cows come home. A lot of people do go to the gym after working in a garden for 6-8 hours a day.
Green-LaManche@reddit
Absolute bollocks. I observe oldies thanks to my job. All who worked above jobs all their life have better chance to survive till 90 with all their marbles. The exceptions are abusers of alcohol and smoking
Puzzled-Quail2076@reddit
They didn’t have all their safeguarding back then, and if you don’t follow the safeguarding now days just to impress people at how hard you work or how much you can lift, you’re an idiot
TruthReptile@reddit
I would learn the skill then do the work in my prime and create a company to have new staff join to replace those who leave. Be the supervisor of the work to sign it off as apose to do the heavy work later in life.
fleetwood_mag@reddit
My dad is 65 and is still a builder, which he started in his teens.
hunnymunster@reddit
What a load of shit, I guarantee a plumber at the age of 50 is fitter than someone that's been sat on their arse in front of a computer for 20 years
farmfooling@reddit
A lot of farmers i know are old boys some way past retirement and they could run rings around someone half their age who does a sedentary job
messyhead86@reddit
That’s utter rubbish. Been in the trades for 25 years and I’m more mobile than every person I know who has a sedentary job. I weigh less and have a stronger physical core than all of them. If you’re not looking after yourself and lifting weights heavier than what you should be, you will destroy your back, or if you’re on your knees constantly you will damage them.
b0dyr0ck2006@reddit
I’ve been in the trades for 30 odd years and it absolutely does ruin your body. I agree with you with the fact that I am much healthier and mobile than most I know of the same age, although it doesn’t matter how much you look after your body, the trades get you and you don’t realise until years later just how much damage you’ve done.
That said, I could never sit at desk 8 hours a day week in week out
mata_dan@reddit
Yeah, it's people who do trades wrong or far too hard who have issues. There is absolutely no reason anyone should be doing either, if a job is going to take an hour longer then fine.
W51976@reddit
Some trades require you to work on your knees. Even if you train, you can still mess up your back.
445main@reddit
While this is true, big problem is not using the proper technique or equipment. In my last job there was a lot of kneeling for long periods. I was the only one who made sure I used knee pads or a foam kneel pad *every* time I kneeled down.
Coincidentally, I was only the only person there with zero joint pain or knee issues.
gpt6@reddit
Been plumbing for 30 + years yes my knees have bad days but probably because of playing football. I certainly won't be retraining for another job. Ps it's pretty good pay.
PatagonianSteppe@reddit
I’m a floorlayer and spend 6+ hours a day kneeling. I’m 26 and have done this job for 10 years, I’m about to career change because it’s very, very unhealthy.
Luckily no major pains, good mobility and regularly lift but I am almost guaranteed to have aged my joints and shit by many many years.
messyhead86@reddit
It’s not about training, it’s making sure that you lift properly.
bonjajr@reddit
Completely agree, way more damaging to your health in the long term sitting in front of a computer all day.
CommercialTop9070@reddit
Depends what you’re doing when you aren’t sat in front of the computer.
Friendly_External345@reddit
I've been a lifelong decorator, I'm 55 I don't drink or smoke. I've always weight trained and boxed and the last 6 years have been Brazilian jiu jitsu. You are the sum of your habits, if you eat like a child and abuse yourself then it has consequences. Sitting on your arse looking at a screen for endless hours will damage your body more than if you use it everyday.
SinisterGlo@reddit
My dad will be 73 in a couple of months, he’s been in the trades since his early 20s and he’s still going. A multi skilled tradesman. Working for himself 5-6 days a week! Every week. Very fit and doesn’t look his age at all! So for some people, being in a physically demanding job all your life will keep you young.
I also think his generation baby boomers are just built differently.
CoffeeandaTwix@reddit
Nonsense. Most people start in trades at 16-18... You think they normally retire at 31-38?
The jobs listed aren't all that physically demanding, especially with modern tools and methods.
W51976@reddit
Utter tosh. Two people I know started trades in their mid 30s, because they got bored working in other industries.
Don’t assume everyone has the same path in life.
MillsOnWheels7@reddit
Most isnt everyone one.
They are not saying people don't start those careers later in life. Just pointing out, those that start early don't always finish by the time they're 40.
Calm your tits.
Redline_independent@reddit
As a trade this is only true for genral labor and a good genral labor gets promoted quickly bc thay are hard to find so you give them a reson to stay
Ned-Nedley@reddit
Yeah that’s bullshit. I’ve been hard landscaping for 15 years and I’ve never felt stronger.
HerrFerret@reddit
I have been working in an office, and I have 20 years until retirement.
Solid plan right there :)
UniquePotato@reddit
You probably have 10 years then
UniquePotato@reddit
You probably have 10 years then.
TripleDragons@reddit
Probably not from gardening or plumbing tbh
bacon_cake@reddit
I'm sure you get used to it the more you do it but gardening fucks me up faster than any DIY job. I'm a pretty fit weightlifter (though that might actually work against me) and any sort of hole digging murders my back.
frustratedpolarbear@reddit
Gardening requires a lot of back work, digging and heavy lifting. It's not just plants, it's paving slabs, water features, fence and shed building and massive bags of soil. You'll be in the sun all day and working with various pesticides and other chemicals.
Also on rare occasions you'll be required to walk several hundred miles to destroy a piece of jewellery belonging to an ancient dark lord.
811545b2-4ff7-4041@reddit
Oh dear.. I guess you've not seen some of the robotics coming our way? I would entirely expect many manual jobs to be replaceable in the coming decades.
People skill-focused jobs - that's what will not be replaced.
W51976@reddit
Such as?
811545b2-4ff7-4041@reddit
Such as https://masonrymagazine.com/Default?pageID=14343
or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3IIn3P5UVc or https://www.iotworldtoday.com/robotics/automated-roofing-robot-makes-debut
or https://www.hp.com/us-en/printers/site-print/top-applications-new-robotic-technology-plumbing-systems-installations-repairs.html
Now I'm not saying your domestic plumber/electrician/bricklayer is going to be made redundant overnight - but there will pushes into their industry by reduced prices of robotics. There are likely to be humanoid 'domestic assistant' robots becoming more and more present - and I would fully expect those to be adapted to do 'handyman' style work.
Semichh@reddit
No chance in hell of robots replacing people working on construction sites within this lifetime at least…
Old_Priority5309@reddit
LMAO
Domestic robotic tradesman?
This mofo thinks its going to be the jetsons in ten years
fanculo_i_mod@reddit
sales is not for everyone. Psycology too
W51976@reddit
They won’t be replaced anytime soon.
Smaxter84@reddit
I think it's a very long time before they make a robot that can do plumbing or roofing pal, don't drink the coolaid
WingiestOfMirrors@reddit
I disagree with you there, these tasks take some reasonably high end robotics so I'll be a long time before a robot plumber becomes economically viable. Augmentation will come first, like exoskeletons to stop the wear on people's bodies so having the skills will still be useful for generations I reckon
Apprehensive-Lack-32@reddit
You save what you don't make by doing the stuff yourself
zq6@reddit
Most of aren't forking out a significant sum here. Yes, you might save yourself a few grand over the years, but in a decade of home ownership we've paid maybe 20k to tradespeople, and spread across several disciplines.
Apprehensive-Lack-32@reddit
Sorry that was a Karl Pilkington quote
Bignizzle656@reddit
Electrician. It's not as demanding physically, especially if you are technically minded.
Away-Ad4393@reddit
My friend wanted to be an electrician but he’s red/green colour blind.
W51976@reddit
Yeah, I can’t do it either lol. Colour blind.
Bignizzle656@reddit
I don't think it matters anymore.
To be honest, I'm half waiting for the punchline 😂
fursty_ferret@reddit
In the UK at least gas and electrical qualification requires a prolonged stint as an unpaid apprentice (okay, technically we pay apprentices but it's basically lunch money). If you come from another job you'll need a couple of years worth of savings which is pretty unlikely (then factor in cost of tools, van etc).
A better qualification would be for more specialist electrical work - think offshore wind and so forth - or heat pump and air conditioning installation where the F-gas qualification isn't so onerous. As things get warmer more and more people will be demanding solar.
For me painting and decorating is the most tedious job in the world and I'd rather gnaw off my own legs, but in my neck of the woods the demand for a skilled painter is through the roof and it'll be a long time before a robot figures out how to do this without stepping in a paint tray.
W51976@reddit
Yeah; I can do it, but found it boring. I’m a foot courier now, which doesn’t pay as much, but I don’t have to bend down and sand skirting boards lol.
mata_dan@reddit
Yeah when I was leaving school it was literally impossible to survive in my area (Aberdeen during the oil boom, so £1000 rents 2008) going into an apprenticeship lol.
Superb_Literature547@reddit
also roofing damn hard to find decent roofers
BruceForsyth55@reddit
As a young teen I spent ONE day helping a friend of the family on a roofing job as work experience.
I genuinely do not understand how they do it.
The day started at silly o’clock in the morning and seemed to drag on to the point of feeling like the longest day in my life.
The absolute mad labour they put in… Carrying tiles up ladders etc.
Nope just nope.
W51976@reddit
Not for me. Plus it must be hell in both hot and cold weather lol.
bonjajr@reddit
This all depends of your general level of fitness also, were you overweight at the time?
CoffeeandaTwix@reddit
Because you did one day as a young teen.
It's like a 14 year old going to the gym one day and attempting to press 40kg overhead... They would struggle and wonder how it is possible to do that multiple times a week but if they stuck at it, it would soon become easy and pain free.
Negative-Yam-4227@reddit
I agree. I work in a builders merchants and it's amazing how many so-called roofers ask my bosses advice. One even said don't worry ill look it up on YouTube.. how scarey
EducationalZombie538@reddit
need to ask yourself why!
highrouleur@reddit
Not enough people stepping up
frustratedpolarbear@reddit
So you're saying we need ladder makers before we can fill the roofing role?
Pingu-was-a-penguin@reddit
Moved into my girlfriend's place and the amount of things that needed doing was insane. Not massive jobs but also not possible for someone with zero skills/tools or know anyone who could help. Spent like 2 solid days just going around fixing everything and apparently some of those things had been that way for over a decade (like a broken window hinge so it couldn't fully close).
rariety@reddit
The money you don't make, you save by not getting someone in to do it for you
AlwaysNorth8@reddit
I learnt some basic diy skills and can provide a better finish in my own home than some tradesman.
ElsewhereMeanwhile@reddit
Don't forget carpentry, my favourite of all the trades.
2far4u@reddit
Always get a professional to do plumbing, gas and electrical works in your home. DIYing with water, electricity or gas will often lead to bad results!
mata_dan@reddit
Nope, that may keep you going for a year more than everyone else then you're fucked anyway.
Dragonking_44@reddit
That was my train of thought unfortunately its pretty hard to get into that sort of feild from my experience if you don't know someone who can get you in with an apprenticeship or know someone looking for work its a real pain and as other have mentioned health problems from the physical labour are very common even with better health and safety practices
Mental-Car-7703@reddit
Keep yourself fit and watch your health you can keep being physical into your 60’s no worries
throwaway_ArBe@reddit
Coding is still a good option, you can't use AI for it unless you know how to code in the first place.
RizzMaster9999@reddit
You wont get any good answers tbh
Perfect_Pudding8900@reddit
Hijacking this comment to say that there are bits of government actually doing research in the highest in demand occupations.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/assessment-of-priority-skills-to-2030/assessment-of-priority-skills-to-2030.
High value doesn't necessarily mean high pay but this says:
"Digital, Adult Social Care, Construction and Engineering have the greatest additional employment demand between 2025 and 2030"
There's a little bit more detail in the report that breaks things like digital down into things like IT architects.
If OP wanted some stats to guide their decision.
AnonymousTimewaster@reddit
Yeah cause it's objectively shit work for minimum wage.
They may as well put "hospitality" on the list as well.
Hunt2244@reddit
If only there was something they could do to attract more people to the profession……….
AnonymousTimewaster@reddit
There's really not much they could do tbh. You could double the wage and people still wouldn't want to do it because it's an inherently awful career choice. Not just for working conditions but in terms of progression and the simple nature of the work itself. You have to really really care for people and have an extremely high tolerance for bullshit to be able to do it.
LoveBeBrave@reddit
Raise taxes?
ZeusJuice84@reddit
I think the problem is also retraining. If I wanted to take one of these up I'd need to go back to education (while living alone) and also a low paid apprenticeship, right?
Perfect_Pudding8900@reddit
Not all apprenticeships pay the minimum apprenticeship wage. You'll find a fair few actually pay more.
CarpetGripperRod@reddit
Well, that narrows it down. Thanks, Gov UK!
Perfect_Pudding8900@reddit
It does go into some more detail than just that.
robbodagreat@reddit
There will always be demand for government researchers
don__gately@reddit
Research indicates more research needed!
lukesy123@reddit
Because government research / data is always accurate 😂
Sea_Statistician_983@reddit
Got some tables from the page if people are finding the content overwhelming
Sea_Statistician_983@reddit
Sea_Statistician_983@reddit
mata_dan@reddit
So in the next 5 years, that's useless for people planning their career lol obviously only aiming for migrant skills (which I am all for when done right).
Perfect_Pudding8900@reddit
So this report is tied to another specific publication which is why it's done on the five year time frame. You shouldn't take that to mean it's the only game in town and nothing is happening on a longer timeframe (post 2030)
It's just an example, and if something is a priority area now it's not going to just stop being a priority.
chhappy@reddit
TF is “digital”?
DJOaken@reddit
I've just changed careers from banking and am doing an apprenticeship to become a Mechatronics Maintenance Technician. Learning all sorts of skills like welding, electrical installation and machining. All stuff thats going to save me costs at home in the future and still needs to be done by people.
There are some really decent wages to be had if you land the right apprenticeship, but it will be shift work and, most likely, involve nights. Also, some of them allow you to get out of the big cities and allow you to live in quiter parts of the country.
Handsom_modest_Dan@reddit
Plumbing or electrician are not physically demanding and pay relatively well
Pebbles015@reddit
I've worked with electricians. Pulling SWA through the ceiling of a fuel station is not an easy task. Crawling through loft spaces retrofitting hard wired fire alarms sucks too. Plumbing is just as bad with the added bonus of water/piss/shit
Handsom_modest_Dan@reddit
Well if you think that’s hard god forbid you ever get a real hard job
Pebbles015@reddit
I've had plenty of demanding jobs and I'm not exactly workshy. I'll blow 99% of these young kids out of the water on site even in my 40's.
Calling those trades "not physically demanding" is far from reality unless your entire day is changing out tap washers or light switches.
Handsom_modest_Dan@reddit
I’m not assuming that it’s just site work Domestic work is pretty easy I am also in my 40’s and my 25 year old college just lost his job because I’m doing twice what he is in half the time in a demanding roll
But in general If you want work that is not overly taxing (you may get a little dirty) and is future safe Plumbing or electrician
My dad was a plumber and ended up working for a hospital and his day was for the most part doing water tests
My father in law is an electrician
Neither of these are as physically demanding as a labourer , warehouse , retail , ground workers
Perhaps we have different ideas of what is taxing ?
Pebbles015@reddit
No mate you're just blinkered on your own experiences.
Like saying that "driver" is an easy job. What is it you're driving and where? Diving a transfer buggy at a luxury hotel is easy, hauling road trains across the Aussie outback, not so much.
Or Mariner. Yeah it's easy on the IOW ferry but being on deck of a crab fishing trawler in winter is a different kettle of fish.
I've had easy days on the trades and days that have burnt me right out.
If you'd have said domestic plumber/electrician I'd have largely agreed but domestic work is only a small part of the sector.
Handsom_modest_Dan@reddit
Plenty of plumbers and electricians only work domestic
Pebbles015@reddit
Yes but the hardest part, particularly for sparkies, is getting a foot in the door with the right tickets or finding someone willing to get you through whatever the industry has decided what the requirements are this month.
They are crying out for electricians, but the industry is not doing itself any favours.
If i was advising someone starting out I'd say look at plumbing. It's easier to get into and much more open.
Do level 2 then get your gas done. You're earning the same as a spark in 1/3 of the time and should have a steady flow of boiler jobs.
From there it's up to you but to future proof yourself, start looking at plumbing integration with things like solar and air source heat pumps/geo which will need some electrical qualifications.
Handsom_modest_Dan@reddit
Sounds good . Getting a foot in the door is not as hard as it seams
I got laid off just over a month ago I have had four jobs since then There is plenty of work if you are willing to do anything
The one I have settled on as a good job , local to me and pretty much future proof for a good firm that has been there for over 110 years
I was offered Amazon driving that I turned down I did some trade plate driving , long hours and poor money , then I started doing loft insulation A hard job for someone my size but I still run rings around the youngsters
Looking forward to starting my new job
I hope you figure something out Just don’t be put off because something seems small odds
Pebbles015@reddit
I'm not looking for anything. I have no idea why you think that. I've a cushty management job, which I'll occasionally muck in with to pull the lads out of the shit.
Handsom_modest_Dan@reddit
Based on your original post but ok enjoy
Pebbles015@reddit
I'm not the OP.
JCDC4521@reddit
The construction industry needs skills in surveying, construction management software, quantity surveying and Human Resources. These are all areas where you can up skill by yourself or via online training courses.
tomatobasilgarlic@reddit
Making content whatever you think of.
Easiest thing nowadays is to stay on top of AI developments and suggest ways for businesses to improve processes with mentioned AI. 99.9% of businessese in the UK still has people spending hours making weekly mundane excel reports and the business would appreciate someone saving that time
Bayff@reddit
No guarantee that AI replaces anything. You’re still going to gain skills while learning to do it.
If AI does replace it, you’ve still learned something. If it doesn’t, you’ve learned a useful skill & have a career.
I’m not a programmer but I was under the impression that AI code is still very poor.
Just learn something you have an interest in, worrying about what may or may not happen in the future is pointless.
TallEmberline@reddit
AI is terrible for the junior Devs as they don't know what is and isn't bad. I find myself as a senior arguing with it all the time. You really have to know what you are doing to use it.
W51976@reddit
AI won’t replace most jobs, it’s just a tool to help you. Plus, like you say, AI does make mistakes.
Hunt2244@reddit
I’m a software engineer, even if your not a software engineer basic programming skills are useful I know quite a few friends who have streamlined workflows and part automate their jobs with a bit of general it knowledge and python.
RageInMyName@reddit
Worrying about something that is likely to happen in the future and could put you out of a job isn't pointless at all. Especially when you're only weighing the options
I say likely because AI will only get better and as we've seen already, it's happening rapidly.
RCMW181@reddit
Currently we are moving towards a recession or already in a new type of recession, and companies are cutting jobs to be really for it. The AI talk around this is largely noise.
Bayff@reddit
The whole point of my message is to not sit and do nothing.
Learning nothing achieves nothing either way. At least if you learn a skill, you have that skill & you’ve likely learned some adjacent skills which would help you in another industry.
AbrakadaverT28@reddit
AI is fine at coding, it's terrible at programming.
mata_dan@reddit
LLMs are fine, AGI will destroy anyone.
RCMW181@reddit
Lol even open AI can't define what AGI even IS so you can make any serious predictions about it
RCMW181@reddit
The only people who think AI will replace software engineers are people who don't understand what software engineers do.
Coding is maybe 20% of the job. More as a new starter, Less as you get more senior.
Grimdotdotdot@reddit
AI is good at coding some things, bad at others.
Thing is, you need to be a programmer to know what it's done well and what it hasn't.
killit@reddit
In my experience, it's good at giving shortcuts in your development process, it's not good at coding, as such. You still need to edit and correct anything vaguely complex.
I find its fast better at giving you ideas on how to do something, as opposed to actually doing it for you.
TesticularButtBruise@reddit
This 100%
KatjaKat01@reddit
Yeah, AI is great as a time saver provided there is qualified human oversight. I use it a lot at work, but I go in knowing exactly what I want, and I very rarely use the output without editing.
I saves me time because I'm a slow writer who loses focus quickly, not because it's better than me.
MTFUandPedal@reddit
In many ways yes. There are however a lot of people who think it's going to get a LOT better, very quickly.
DragonFeller@reddit
AI coding still needs it's hand holding. I'd say coding is still an essential skill, especially if you have 4-5 years experience under your belt
SYSTEM-J@reddit
Health & Safety law. H&S will be the last thing that gets outsourced to AI because it will always require human accountability.
E5evo@reddit
Become a welding inspector on oil rigs. Better be quick though before we stop drilling for oil. A mate of mine knew a guy who did this (years ago now though) & was once called out to a rig in the North Sea, I think it was owned by Phillips Petroleum. It was during the Xmas period & the rig had been offline for a couple of days due to a pipeline problem, you can imagine how many £’s/$s were being lost, anyway he was choppered out to OK the pipe welds on New Year’s Day & he charged them something like 3K AN HOUR. Apparently they were really pleased to pay it.
Hour_Resource2847@reddit
You'll never get into that without an 'in'. Pointless suggestion.
XLBilly@reddit
I know a guy who knows a guy is just pub folk story’s. I bet the ‘pipe welding inspector’ in this instance doesn’t actually exist, and that ‘pipe welding inspectors’ that do exist are not clearing £3k ph regardless of what day of the year it is.
DeemonPankaik@reddit
I have had to contract onshore inspectors for similar equipment and they easily clear £1k for a day rate. £3k for offshore work seems reasonable. It's niche and there's BIG money in oil
That weld might cost £20k to get the inspector out but it'll have £500k+ of oil flowing through it every day.
E5evo@reddit
& this was Xmas Day or New Years Day, can’t remember which.
FindingHerStrength@reddit
I see the occasional inspector job and commissioning job at £1k daily rate, on LinkedIn.
E5evo@reddit
Maybe not now, but as I said this was probably 15-20 years ago, so probably not applicable today. It was true though. The mate of mine was an ex Royal Marine & it was one of his mates who’d been in the Royal Engineers. He was the welding inspector bloke. I’d imagine companies like Phillips Petroleum have their in shop people now.
QuizzicalSquid7@reddit
Yeah oil is dead unless you’re in the know. Even then it’s insanely competitive and mostly getting outsourced for cheap labour now. I looked into it 10 years ago as I’m close to an oil trader and my uncle is a rigger. Both said it’s a dying industry and not worth it.
To be honest health and safety for rigs is a good gig and will be about for a while. Other than that, if you don’t have an in, good luck
mata_dan@reddit
Yep, I did some platforms for IT for O&G health and safety. The only energy IT job that pays what it should hah.
casper301261@reddit
Elephant circumciser wages are not the best but the tips are enormous
Knight_956@reddit
I was scrolling so seriously, really concentrating on the wisdom and advice being offered. The mental shift my brain took to read that elephant joke made me burst out laughing, brilliant
Fit-Initiative-4856@reddit
Yes, lots of drawbacks
Fun_Jellyfish1982@reddit
“I’m very concerned because I think the Jews want to drive the elephants to extinction because the trunk of an elephant reminds them of an uncircumcised penis. I’m absolutely serious about that."
- Bobby Fischer, World Chess Champion
CarpeCyprinidae@reddit
I think we already knew that the specific intelligence needed to be a chess master isnt always associated with general intelligence.
JoshuaWebbb@reddit
I see what you did there you cheeky little devil
UK-sHaDoW@reddit
Anything that's genuinely high value is going to take 5 years to develop. Either through apprenticeship or a degree.
CodeToManagement@reddit
130k for a software engineer is like staff or principal level so it’s very high. Or you’re doing something extremely specialised like in the finance industry doing HFT type work.
Outside London most software engineers are making 50-80. Inside London it’s more but still hard to push past that 100k mark
UK-sHaDoW@reddit
It's those software engineers 50-80k that are going to struggle. It's the people at FANG, and other tech companies where they are going survive. The wants actually building the tech. 130k for that type of work is standard.
dannyhodge95@reddit
I love how everyone is an expert in AI all of a sudden. You've got no idea how it's going to impact the industry.
Gold_Leef101@reddit
Absolutely. People are throwing about AI OMG whereas the practical reality of implementing AI is about use cases where it can do work. It isn't a magic wand and it only knows what it knows based on exposure to data sets. For auto building of websites, yep enough best practice and data out there for it to template run of the mill stuff. For decent deep SaaS etc coding? Too much nuance in the build. Not saying it won't ever get there but I'd say 10 years at least.
As for it replacing written content? It'll happen. Until the Web is a morass of ai written content constantly feeding on itself. Google will then start to prio human certified written content and that'll score higher in search results.
UK-sHaDoW@reddit
90% of saas apps are not complicated.
Gold_Leef101@reddit
Interesting, good point. My SaaS stuff over the years has been uber complex stuff, industry specific, but I take on board that it's not all like that.
mata_dan@reddit
Yeah the hard part is interpreting what the business is actually trying to do and why they need to do the wrong fucking thing for a bit first, the tech is easy and a solved problem.
TesticularButtBruise@reddit
Yep. Primary content will always be king. In terms of code, it's impressive, and can spit out boilerplate, and pretty good - but would you want to press the button to push that into prod?
Once the complexity gets above a low threshold, you are going to want to know and understand every single line of code it writes, and at that point, you may as well just write it yourself.
Gold_Leef101@reddit
Exactly! Will absolutely need gatekeeping. No chance you'd push important stuff live without rinsing the QA with humans.
mata_dan@reddit
They're not massively far off tbh.
CodeToManagement@reddit
130k is not standard software engineering salaries outside of a few top companies. I’m a software engineer and engineering manager at a f500.
I can tell you that in the UK not a lot of engineers are passing that 100k mark until they hit staff+ levels or transition to management
ldn-ldn@reddit
A lot of software engineers don't want to hit £100k due to taxes.
joehonestjoe@reddit
Unless you have two kids and getting childcare allowance for both of them there is no danger of going above 100k
mata_dan@reddit
Yes that's what you do, but it's not worth the responsibility for the position for that amount of money, most of those roles should be worth 2-3m +
UK-sHaDoW@reddit
Ok. That's what I'm saying. A lot of engineers simply won't be needed anymore.
So you will need to get to that level to survive.
mata_dan@reddit
This is correct, but AGI is going to make everyone obsolete anyway.
RCMW181@reddit
At my company it about standard, we have:
Associate/entry level: £28,000-£35,000 Mid level: £45,000-£55,000 Senior: £55,000-£70,000 Principal: £70,000-£150,000
Your also going to get extra for special skills, web dev and C# are common so paid less. People will really new in demand skills (like cloud and agentic AI) or old in in demand skills like (Delphi and cobol) get significantly more.
I lost a mid level Delphi engineer this year to an international finance company who are paying him £180,000.
All in all, it still pays well, but you can't be guaranteed a job if your bad anymore.
thejadeassassin2@reddit
100ish is top end entry level FAANG, entry level HFT is more like 200-300k in London.
RCMW181@reddit
A standard item of work for a programmer/software engineers needs most of the following steps, more if anything goes wrong:
Read and understand the changes request (that will be badly written by a non technical person). Feed back to stakeholders your understanding to confirm it's correct. Request/gather missing information needed to complete the change. Work out what current independent systems need updating for that change. Examine and understand how the current system works. Design a change to the current systems that will implement the new change request. Talk to QA to discuss new automated tests for this change. Arrange with cloud engineering how the new change will be hosted. Code the change. Review the change. Test the new change yourself before sending it to QA. Deploy the change to lower environments to allow QA and UAT. Support QA and UAT with questions and maybe data creation. Arrange live deployment, taking into account real life restrictions like app store requirements and downtime. Deploy the change to live.
I have probably missed a step or two. Actually writing code is not most of the job, you just need all the other stuff too and they don't teach that in boot camps.
Traditional-Tour37@reddit
Apprenticeships are changing, I think they will only be open to school leavers.
No-Test6158@reddit
If you can get into an industry, that's your best bet. Find an entry level position in something that has a bit of history and a career progression. Work hard to become a supervisor, then a manager and you'll learn a lot and become very employable. It will take about 10-15 years though.
I really wish people had taught me this when I was at school and I wouldn't have gone on a 10 year university sojourn...
Remarkable_Area_2088@reddit
Doctor, lawyer
TheRebelPercy@reddit
Empathy, integrity and kindness. They seem to be in short supply these days.
GloomyGelBro@reddit
How do they pay?
Kit-on-a-Kat@reddit
Be a therapist
GiftedServal@reddit
Probably fairly well.
They certainly won’t make you a billionaire, but there’s no “skill” that will besides extreme luck or being born to the right parents.
Empathy and integrity are vital skills for a leadership role though, which are well-paid
CandyKoRn85@reddit
They don’t. If anything they tend to correlate with a decrease in earnings.
I think our society isn’t designed for decent people.
Just_Curious_76@reddit
With respect, I disagree. Empathy, kindness & respect are excellent leadership skills and for working in a team in general. The old “treat others as you’d like to be treated” adage goes a long way here. You’re much more likely to inspire your team to work diligently if they feel respected and heard.
CandyKoRn85@reddit
That’s nice, in reality that’s not what happens. The people who get promoted to management are usually the worst people for the job but they’re excellent brown nosers.
disappointedinitall@reddit
That being the case, what well-paid positions are good for total psychopaths?
I'm not rich enough to be a CEO, and don't lack enough morals to be in HR.
1a1n@reddit
Empathy, integrity and kindness aren't pay regulated. You can be a decent human being whatever job or payscale you are at.
mata_dan@reddit
They actually have multiple areas of reference in my team's performance reviews.
Negative-Yam-4227@reddit
You're not steering the boats for those bloody immigrants are you??
mata_dan@reddit
This is unironically the answer, AGI will replace everything, people will want to pay for real people.
caprisunnysideup@reddit
People really need to get off this obscene perspective that AI will replace coders. I script and I definitely use it to bash out and rubber duck concepts or look up libraries I may not be familiar with but for every good answer it gives me it gives another bad. And that bad scales when it's not a fresh project. I'm fine with that, I can see the errors and ignore them. But someone who has never gained the experience of learning code across vast varied projects is not going to see these things and copy pasting straight from LLMs can be seen from a mile away by anyone with some experience.
Regular-Complaint-75@reddit
Agreed! Hell, I only work in low code and the shit that comes out of LLMs sometimes is ridiculous; like sometimes not knowing "if this value is greater than this value, return this string" kind of shit. Had a whole bunch of users who are attempting to build basic things and falling at the first hurdle because an LLM guided them wrong!
AI replacing coders has been "just around the corner" for such a long time you'd think people would be over it by now :/
Curious_Jicama9432@reddit
Maths, physics, and chemistry.
pigeonJS@reddit
Coding is not a silly skill. AI can’t write code like an experienced developer. It can write code, for people who cannot code. There’s a difference. As a developer, there are reasons why you chose a certain approach. AI can’t make that human decision. If you like tech, learn machine learning
Expert-Let-238@reddit
Proper skills like trades, one because they’re well paid but also because it means you don’t have to pay folk to fix ya home which as a man is incredibly pathetic
W51976@reddit
It’s good to see almost 200 people agree with me lol.
Negative-Yam-4227@reddit
Prostitution an option. Don't need to get out of bed, pay is good. Just a thought..
SpecialDrama6865@reddit
learn to manage your finances, learn about diet, learn about decision making, learn relationship skills. easy to learn over time, and worth atleast 500k over life time.
steveyp36@reddit
Got into bricklaying at 28, now 36. Had to do an apprenticeship, took just over a year. That was the hard part, you get paid fuck all as an apprentice.
Since then I've made bank. Currently on £300 a day at a day rate doing custom mansion builds in the cotswolds.
The work is very rewarding. Keeps me fit if anything. There are work related health issues but if you keep on top of your physical health, gym, good diet, wearing your ppe etc there is no reason you can't have a long and enjoyable career.
FlashyBee2330@reddit
How'd you go about finding an apprenticeship. Im 26 and working a dead end retail job, i want to look into anything from plumbing, electrician to brick laying. Im fit and active so not afraid of hard work.
More-Magician4492@reddit
Your best bet is to go on indeed, glass door or Facebook and look for ‘bricklaying improver’ positions. There’ll be a contact number, you’re probably speaking to the foreman or contracts manager, be honest and tell him that you’ve never been on the trowel before. You’ll be on terrible money to start off with.
Failing this, get a job as hodcarrier and work alongside the brickies, be hardworking, keen and have good timekeeping, you can then ask them if they’ll have you as an improver.
Also, it’s more than likely that you’re going to need a CSCS card, it’s easy enough to get.
Affectionate_Bite143@reddit
Is £300 a day pretty standard as a bricklayer then? That’s a good wedge and I like the idea of working with my hands/ not being at home or in an office
More-Magician4492@reddit
No, you’re looking at 200-220.
I too am a bricklayer.
RCMW181@reddit
What's the yearly take home? With bad weather and some expenses my guess is £60,000kish?
More-Magician4492@reddit
50k is more realistic buddy, but that’s only when you’re on full whack.
You’ll be on shit money for the first year or two until you’re competent
RCMW181@reddit
Ok so not bad at all, but not insane money.
Thanks
throwaway928816@reddit
You have to be unbelievably strong to do it. Just think of moving dumbells at the gym but doing it all day. When work dried up as a carpenter I laboured for a couple of months for two brickies. Have never worked harder in my life!
PuzzleheadedFood1410@reddit
The brickie I know is self-employed, so has a lot of costs for travel and loses a lot of work in the winter (can't lay bricks in certain weather). I'm not sure if that's the same for every brickie
ClownCafeLatte@reddit
I’d imagine working in the Cotswolds puts them above a standard wage, especially if they were doing stonemasonry.
mata_dan@reddit
That's far too little for custom high end work... what.
BroodLord1962@reddit
Plumber, electrician, builder. I knew someone who was a self-employed plumber, he retired at 48 years old with just shy of a million in the bank.
mata_dan@reddit
In the bank or net worth? If they retired in the past year or two, a million net worth is expected depending where they lived.
BroodLord1962@reddit
It was in savings, and no one retiring at 48 is a moron
Intrepid-Ad8223@reddit
Sales and digital marketing
No_Consideration7466@reddit
With the new laws coming into place, a damp and mould surveyor (Awaabs law, I work for a housing association)
Owlstorm@reddit
Getting the certs for solar panels and heat pumps is a safe bet.
Puzzled-Quail2076@reddit
Scaffolding pretty good, not paid much as certain other construction workers, unless you do price work/overtime. But work hours are better, i finish at 3pm and take £1100 a week. Nice if got kids as you basically have all their free time after school with them. Rather than getting home at gone 5. Having dinner then getting them ready for bed and that’s it.
TheTackleZone@reddit
The skill to programming is not the code, but the algorithm design. AI is fantastic for helping you with sections here and there, and even giving advice on best practice, but putting it all together is the real skill.
RCMW181@reddit
A standard items of work for a programmer/software engineers needs the following steps.
Read and understand the changes request (that will be badly written by a non technical person). Feed back to stakeholders your understanding to confirm it's correct. Request/gather missing information needed to complete the change. Work out what current independent systems need updating for that change. Examine and understand how the current system works. Design a change to the current systems that will implement the new change request. Talk to QA to discuss new automated tests for this change. Arrange with cloud engineering how the new change will be hosted. Code the change. Review the change. Test the new change yourself before sending it to QA. Deploy the change to lower environments to allow QA and UAT. Support QA and UAT with questions and maybe data creation. Arrange live deployment, taking into account real life restrictions like app store requirements and downtime. Deploy the change to live.
I have probably missed a step or two. Actually writing code is not most of the job.
thallazar@reddit
It's not even the algorithm design. It's product work. Understanding people's needs and turning that into working software. Plenty of absolute horrendous code and unoptimized algorithms out there in production solving people's problems.
mata_dan@reddit
20+ years of experience here you are spot on. AGI will still do that better than people very soon though (it'll start by replacing management which is nice, but 5 seconds later it'll replace everyone else).
frogfoot420@reddit
Plenty of horrendous product owners out there as well!
lovehopemisery@reddit
Algorithm design is pretty niche to be honest. These things are already implemented in efficient ways by people who have specialized in that specific problem. Unless you are working in a very large company, you will be spending time working on business logic
FairlyInvolved@reddit
It's reasonable to expect it to get better at putting it all together in future though.
billy2bands@reddit
Dentistry
Background-Ninja-763@reddit
Anything creative. music, art, public speaking. anything where people will always appreciate a human being involved. Advertising/sales (in the rare spaces where advertising requires a physical person to go to clients, demonstrate products etc)
Anything very varied/fiddly/physically demanding, where you need multiple, varied skills to be good at it.
So, firefighter, plumber electrician etc.
Most other jobs are in a huge pile where bosses are just waiting to see how many they can replace with AI.
scrotalsac69@reddit
Critical thinking. Send to be in remarkably short supply
Equivalent_Ask_1416@reddit
Not a huge money-maker though generally speaking.
AManOfManyInterests@reddit
Not by itself, but it's a very important skillset to be a business analyst or anything in the business/tech world that requires understanding of a process and problem solving.
Learn some general IT skills and learn to communicate well too. Those 3 things combined could be the making of a good career.
Soft skills are often overlooked.
Equivalent_Ask_1416@reddit
I think the reason why critical thinking doesn't make money is because anyone can have an opinion. Opinion has been said to be the lowest form of knowledge.
scrotalsac69@reddit
Alas not, but does help in some careers. Just not the whole focus
Glowing102@reddit
Young people don't seem to have this skill. I'm not sure how you learn it though.
Liturginator9000@reddit
the irony of saying this lol
redunculuspanda@reddit
Honestly I find it’s the older people that struggle the most. I say this as a middle aged person.
Glowing102@reddit
My brother has his own company and he says that he's fed up of employing young people who have no critical thinking skills. He prefers to employ older people instead.
What made you think young people had critical thinking skills.
redunculuspanda@reddit
I think that’s more about life experience than crucial thinking.
Seeing older people shit on young people for lack of critical thinking skills then go home and watch GB News and believe everything they hear makes me want to rip my face off.
Glowing102@reddit
Interesting twist of aggression.
ChewsRagScabs@reddit
I studied it in secondary school it can be taught. It’s thinking about thinking, not taking given information at face value and cross checking it against multiple sources. It should be mandatory in the school curriculum now, especially with how ingrained social media is and the prevalence of fake news etc.
McLeod3577@reddit
Read philosophy books
Frosty_Average3972@reddit
Iq?
AnonymousTimewaster@reddit
Not a very in-demand skill on the job market unfortunately.
Tumping@reddit
A men
BaronSamedys@reddit
Religion has a lot to answer for in that regard.
Silly-Earth4105@reddit
I work at a marketing agency and I can tell you AI is for sure not replacing developers, designers, or writers anytime soon.
It’s a tool utilised but simply that. Most stuff produced with AI is garbed and the other stuff is easy to spot it’s AI to a keen eye.
Also even Google impacts your ranking for AI content now. Which is practically what most people are copywriting for nowadays.
DigitalStefan@reddit
How to use Google Tag Manager.
Seriously.
AI struggles with it. It’s also a platform widely in use by big, deep pocketed brands and the pool of talent of people who know how to use it professionally is small.
xGoldenRetrieverFan@reddit
Tradesmen probably
How can AI delete those jobs
BigfootsBestBud@reddit
Everything is oversaturated.
To me, the trick is just committing to what genuinely interests you that you can feasibly make money doing. For me, thats still Tech.
Programming isn't going to be killed by AI. Its an excuse from corporations to fire a ton of people and spend less after the period of overhiring years ago, but its also just a mistaken bit of excitement on the part of companies. Its a great tool, but it isn't going to kill programming.
Just find something that has a clear pathway to it that you genuinely enjoy. There is no easy high income skill anymore that everyone else isn't chasing either. Its the same with the trades, with medicine, with tech.
Fickle_Hope2574@reddit
Gardening/farming. Food is always needed, you'll know exactly what's in your food, where it came from and the feeling when you grow something is lovely.
Pebbles015@reddit
the entire food chain is on its arse because the supermarkets, conglomerates and multinationals and even governments are bleeding it dry in every way possible. There will always be work but it will be for pennies.
We don't have a cost of living crisis. We have a government and corporate greed crisis.
United-Middle563@reddit
Farting.
As a woman I sell my farts in a jar for a pretty penny, tied up with a lil bow.
You will need a healthy supply of cheap beans to get the bowels churning. Go for the cheap ones to break even.
Love from Australia :)
stubborneuropean@reddit
Even in the industry AI is making people lazy and not understanding what they're doing. I'd say people skills, struggle to have a conversation with most people over the past few years. Basic people skills are lacking
WowzersTrousers0@reddit
Lolwat?
DeCyantist@reddit
If you could code, then you’d code AI solutions. I keep being asked about AI coding skills. It hasn’t changed.
SP4x@reddit
Complex manual jobs: essentially anything that a robot has difficulty doing.
That should keep you going for about 15 years, after that they AI and robotics may have advanced tot he point of handling that well.
But, by the time you are replaceable you will have the skills to fight against the rise of the machines.
Lazy-Independence857@reddit
People skills.
upthewire@reddit
I've come to realise that the vast majority of people are idiots and have no critical thinking ability. The more anyone is able to develop their analytical and reasoning faculties, the easier they'll find theiy careers and the ability to pick up new skills in general. It may read like I'm saying "just get smarter", but the reality is, anyone can dedicate time to studying logic, history, philosophy, etc. which will help enormously over time.
A_Roll_of_the_Dice@reddit
Coding isn't over and gone yet, and even when AI is doing it, it will still need people to check, correct, optimise, and guide the AI.
One thing to think on here is that if AI is doing the work, who's making sure the AI is doing the work right? It won't be another AI.
That leaves one conclusion, really; most people won't lose their jobs to AI, they'll lose their jobs to people who know how to properly work with AI.
You may have heard of something called "vibe coding" or "vibe engineering" (not advocating that anyone becomes either/or, btw) -- that's basically the first step towards what I just described, where you manage an AI that does the workload for you. The thing is, at least for the latter, you need to learn and understand proper coding standards and behaviours to be able to effectively work with it to produce something of quality.
Extrapolate that to other areas, like 3D modelling, where you get the AI to do the tedious and difficult parts of the job (like cleaning up meshes and UVs) and just leaving the actual design/creativity and oversight part to you, and you're starting to get an idea of where we're headed with AI tools in the workspace.
If we talk about another aspect of art, like concepting, you can use AI to throw out tons of your ideas into visual rough drafts to show to your boss/client and get some feedback on direction and save yourself many hours of work. When you've got some art direction, you start really refining the design and tweaking it as necessary, creating it by hand. Depending on the project, it can literally save you days of work and really speed things up with very little effort from you besides a few tailored prompts and some interpretation skills.
Have a think about this to think about where you want to work and how to incorporate AI into that field (or how it is already being incorporated) and learn what skills are necessary to get your foot in the door in a field that you enjoy, fully prepared to work with the AI toolkits for better productivity.
mata_dan@reddit
It actually is another differently trained AI that checks the work. Totally standard developing the models it's only not useful in implementation most of the time because implementors haven't changed enough yet.
_not_quite_there_yet@reddit
Being able to coordinate and focus multiple inputs into something productive and/or valuable.
I started my career as a software engineer but found a more lucrative path from coordinating software engineers to focus them on delivering value.
More recently, LLMs (amongst other things they have done) have created more inputs that need coordinating into something valuable.
"Management" isn't a good answer to your question, but I don't think education has kept up with the need to manage the level of productivity we've seen emerge from recent shifts in work.
Getting good at coordinating effort towards something of value (business value, customer/user value etc) is still a safe bet IMO.
_not_quite_there_yet@reddit
Wrt your mention of coding... I've tried in my spare time turning a few ideas into products using LLMs and they're still miles off getting something consumer ready without strong intervention from me (from a coding/engineering perspective). Even when they (probably inevitably) are able to code without my input, the ability to conduct market analysis, identify gaps, conduct gap analysis, identify a market and build something valuable, is several leaps we're unlikely to see covered for another generation.
wild_kangaroo78@reddit
Electrical hardware design. Just start with hobby electronics with an Arduino or something like that. Maybe get your ham radio license.
dbxp@reddit
Is there a lot of that in the UK still?
mata_dan@reddit
Decreasingly. They pay pennies and then complain why nobody wants to do it xD
LaundryMan2008@reddit
Repairing electronics, you now have to go to a further extent on some stuff due to pairing (say pairing the replacement to the device or swapping the chip on the replacement with the original as manufacturers don’t want you fixing their stuff) but saves a lot of money in the long run.
A new part in a TV or computer is going to cost maybe £20 rather than a new TV or computer is going to cost, if you can do component level repair like I do then components are pennies or even to swap paired part chips so you can fix something that the manufacturer doesn’t want you fixing.
Factuali@reddit
This sounds interesting. Even if I couldn't make it a career, I'd love to be able to throw away fewer electronics. Any advice on how to learn this for a beginner?
mata_dan@reddit
Youtube bigclive
PuzzleheadedFood1410@reddit
I started with games consoles and PCs. Being into retro consoles, naturally they break a lot and need repairs. The main skill you need to learn is soldering, the other hard bit is diagnostics. I just learned everything from YT tutorials and forums. If you do start soldering, make sure to mask up/use good extraction because the fumes are dangerous. If you repair devices like phones you won't do much soldering though
mata_dan@reddit
For industry yeah, for domestic no.
The_Rev_JT@reddit
The highest value skills will always be leadership and problem solving. Everything else is inherently volatile and context dependent.
Assessing value for skills shouldn’t just be viewed through the prism of ‘could AI do it eventually?’ Skilled labour will always need to be done by humans, but people seek to forget supply and demand economics. Plumbing won’t be able to be done by AI, however if there are 10 times as many plumbers in your town, the value of plumbing as skill drops dramatically. No career is safe from AI revolution, but problem solving, critical thinking and leaderships skills will always be needed and hold value.
Arts will also hopefully see a huge renaissance.
disappointedinitall@reddit
Don't do what was done before.
No. Instead, create your own new career.
For example: Robot Exterminator.
Because if the techobazillionaires get their way, everything is going to be robofied, and inevitably, there'll be a pressing need for hard men to be able to take down rogue clankers whenever they update themselves beyond their original benevolent programming.
RoamingThomist@reddit
AI isnt anywhere near as good at coding as the news pieces try to make out.
Add on that AI has 10x the funding its making in revenue, it'll correct back to actually good code rather than vibe coding.
mata_dan@reddit
Funny thing is an actual good engineer does just code to the vibe, knowing it's following first principles properly and will be easy to change later and from experience knowing that leads to excellent outcomes.
RoamingThomist@reddit
But honestly answer? HVAC engineer is a good shout. Very high average age in that industry, and HVAC systems are everywhere in corporate offices.
PitBullCH@reddit
Cyber security continues to be a growth area, and will continue now bad guys are using AI tools themselves.
StinkyFlatHorse@reddit
Just to add some flavour to your comment which don’t disagree with but might be helpful for people who are thinking about a career in cyber.
Cyber security is not one skill but a massive range of them. Cyber is just a catch all term which incudes the obvious Information Security but also less obvious Business Continuity and Physical Security. When people say cyber they typically mean InfoSec.
Entry level SOC analyst pay scales continue to drop. I regularly SOC analyst roles being advertised as low as £20-£30k. Ten years ago they were about £10k higher. But entry level SOC analysts are typically trainees or degree apprentices and aren’t doing much more than a call centre role. Often graduate programmes skip this step entirely these days.
Meanwhile security management pay grades (GRC, Assurance functions, etc) and architectural roles are continuously on the up due to the influence those staff have on costs, expenditure, technology landscape, and risk management.
You’d be hard pushed to find a GRC role in an organisation with more than 20k staff (and a whole load of IT and infrastructure) being advertised for less than £100k (you would, but ignore the numbers. No one who’s worth their salt is going to take anything less. A salary negotiation for an experienced professional would bump up the advertised range significantly. Typically those conversations start with “Ive worked for X, Y and Z and Ive delivered A, B and C. If you want me to do that for you then you need to pay me £££).
Specialist cyber roles are also continuing to climb in salary but I’d argue for the most part you’re typically just employing someone who already had those skills and simply pivoted into cyber (such as a Cloud Security Professional). Their salaries in a non security role were likely high to start with.
Cyber pay grades also scale with the size of an organisation. Tiny company with not much IT and data, lower pay. Massive company, larger pay. There’s more responsibility in a larger organisation and much further to fall if it all goes tits up.
Cyber, especially a management role, is one of the rare jobs in big business where non C-suite staff have the ability to make massive impactful change to the way an organisation operates. That’s why we end up being paid so much. It’s mostly about experience and proof of value. Cyber professionals typically go through massive pay increases with each step up or along a career path. Your worth can be based on who you’ve worked for and how they’re perceived.
Of course I haven’t mentioned working for consultancies and MSP/MSSPs which is a whole different kettle of fish. Potentially career limiting if you want to transition from telling people how to do things rather than doing them yourself. But there’s still an obscene amount of money to be made if that’s a path people want to go down.
mata_dan@reddit
Also a proper team has it fully integrated and all the engineers have these skills anyway...
KelpFox05@reddit
Learn coding. The AI bubble will pop eventually and when that happens there will be a great lack of people who can actually code without AI and your skills will be valued highly.
Alternatively - event planning. People will always have weddings, birthdays, and funerals, and people will always want to have somebody figure all the bullshit out for them.
dbxp@reddit
AI isn't disappearing, the bubble popping doesn't mean the tech is going anywhere just the valuations. Same way the dot-com bubble bursting didn't kill the internet
KelpFox05@reddit
That doesn't mean that AI "skills" (because you need exactly zero skill to get misinformation beamed into your brain by an LLM) won't be massively devalued when people eventually realise that AI isn't only useless but actively harmful.
MuchBenefit8462@reddit
AI isn't useless. Plenty of companies are using it in useful ways. For example, many GitHub repos now use it to find mistakes in PR code. Although a skilled human could often identify these mistakes, it definitely saves time when an AI highlights the mistake for them. I've also seen it used to automate GitHub issue description formatting, searching for related issues, and summarising issues/PRs. These things are quite useful.
mata_dan@reddit
💪 In my team it almost never actually finds anything in the PRs. But... we use Claude to produce the code in the first place anyway.
killit@reddit
You're using AI in some form or another multiple times every day and you don't even realise it.
It's going nowhere.
mata_dan@reddit
LLMs might "pop" but AGI is going to be the end.
Sussurator@reddit
‘Back in my day’ Haha
tune-happy@reddit
Way back in 2020 😱
killit@reddit
killit@reddit
W51976@reddit
To the OP, don’t do a trade.
PuzzleheadedFood1410@reddit
Why not
Academic_Rip_8908@reddit
Languages have always done me well.
Sure, there's the hysteria around AI, and it's true that AI is increasingly used in the translation industry, but companies are increasingly put off AI due to the sheer amount of slop that is produced.
If you can pick up a high-demand but low supply language like Japanese or Korean, there are always jobs that require bilinguals.
DragonSlayer1711@reddit
Firefighter. It’s a great career and from what I can gather almost AI proof
PuzzleheadedFood1410@reddit
My dream job if I had better eyesight
helmetgoodcrashbad@reddit
How to change your own brakes and rotors. Saves me nearly $1800 for front and rear after expenses. Tools to do the job cost, at most $300.
debuggingworlds@reddit
Brake discs
mata_dan@reddit
People skills, AI is going to do everything far better than we ever can (including trade skills, easily). But some people will want "the real thing".
ProtonHyrax99@reddit
Supposedly whatever the hell “quant” is (in terms of finance).
mpanase@reddit
People wanting to deal with you. Not being an ass, annoying, etc
Number 1 skill.
Readonly00@reddit
No one said teaching and early years / SEN education yet? There will always be a demand for well qualified pre school, primary and secondary school teachers. Add a specialist qualification like French or PE or SEN to add another layer of employability
FootballPublic7974@reddit
2020 was only 5 years ago. It's still "your day"
JustLetItAllBurn@reddit
True, my eyes did roll more than a little as I read that.
mikolv2@reddit
You can still learn to code but you need to be good at it. Actual, highly skilled engineers are still in huge demand.
NicoMallourides@reddit
With ai, learn to use it to your advantage. AI is easy to use hard to ‘master’. You wont get good results if you dont know how to use it. With copywriting and marketing you can use AI to uplift your skills. Same with other areas
OrneryHuckleberry138@reddit
If you're actually committed then learn the real deep skills like computer architecture and algorithm design etc (this is literally first year computer science degree content but doing it will put you well being most "coders").
Otherwise as other people have said, trades are in high demand right now and can get a decent salary out of it.
Again the bar for being an above average tradesman is quite low.
Ok_Adhesiveness_8637@reddit
Aca to get into accounting. Every company needs accountants, even the bug AI ones
this-guy-@reddit
Scavenging for food in the blasted radioactive wasteland , dodging the killer drones and zombies.
Nipplecunt@reddit
Does that pay ok
this-guy-@reddit
Nuka cola Bottle caps mainly
IronDwarf12@reddit
Cyber Security.
Philster07@reddit
"Back in my day" ...... 2020. You make it sounds like 5 years ago was 40
Wtwoplusthree@reddit
Selling
mmsweetbananagirl@reddit
Investing. Like understanding stocks and stuff. I find it hard to understand 😭
IllustratorOk479@reddit
Get your NEBOSH and start looking for entry level health and safety jobs. Can lead on to any avenue you want in pretty much any industry.
bahumat42@reddit
Deep sea welding
Dziksoon@reddit
I know I know, but... taking proper care, maintenance of your body I high value skill - you have 100 problems, until you have 1, your body when it start to fail
theNixher@reddit
Developers earning 90k creating AI that will take their job within a few years, if that. Yikes.
OldLondon@reddit
Physical stuff in Data Centres. More and more DCs needed to power AI. People need to build them, cable them, rack and power servers, install physical network kit, swap stuff out., the list goes on - at least till our robot overlords do the job themselves
Healthy_Flounder9772@reddit
Almost everyone can pickup coding skills.
Learn Fact checking, critical thinking, end-to-end development cycle management, stakeholder management, AI use for productivity.
DifficultyDismal1967@reddit
Surgery
Realisticopia@reddit
Everyone suggesting trades but is a sure way to destroy your joints - unless you’re doing a couple jobs a week which you can’t live off of
loud-spider@reddit
Network. Network network network. Engineer your own future opportunities. People hire people ultimately, be the kind of person people already know and want to hire when the need arises.
Training_Exercise565@reddit
the updated fundamentals of money
Honest_Hamster_5730@reddit
Prompting AI
gcunit@reddit
Heavyweight boxing.
BruceForsyth55@reddit
Apparently ex army/marines earn a fine coin guarding ships around the African coast.
himmygal@reddit
Plumbing, or being an electrician. Anything with your hands really which a machine can't do and which is in high demand.
Hefty_Anywhere_8537@reddit
Any trade!
landwomble@reddit
In the IT world, dashboards. PoweBI, Tableau etc. management love a dashboard. Managers pay dashboard builders well. It's the newer equivalent of knowing Excel in depth. Next: AI agent building
xylophileuk@reddit
Maintenance engineers and robotics might be a good shout
aaron2933@reddit
Learning how to maintain your home. The cleaning, repairs, plumbing, electrics, internet, etc
Financial-Error-2234@reddit
There’s uncertainty currently around this very thing. We don’t know what will be useful in the next 10-15 years
ResplendentBear@reddit
Learn Python then you can make your own AI. Not really, but you can use machine learning, which is sort of the same thing.
Other than that, given the state of the world, mushroom foraging maybe?
SchruteFarmsIntel@reddit
>
Learn Python then you can make your own AI.
> but you can use machine learning, which is sort of the same thing.
lol what? Are you on drugs?
ResplendentBear@reddit
I feel like your quote editing was a touch selective.
Choice-Cantaloupe377@reddit
His final sentence answers that for you!
Pitiful_Oven_3425@reddit
Stone masonry, they're in incredible short supply and Britain's old buildings really need them
dbxp@reddit
Coding is still valuable but that doesn't mean you're destined for a programming job. Coding can assist any job which involves crunching data.
lunaj1999@reddit
You can be a copywriter or marketer now, AI hasn’t killed it (yet). It sounds like you give up on things easily. Find something you love and then monetise it appropriately. There’s plenty of coding jobs out there.
ambadawn@reddit
Social skills.
random_access_00@reddit
Editing and fact checking. Research skills, critical thinking. Within your specialty.
Even if AI reaches the stage of producing a decent first draft, it will always need to be tuned to circumstances or evolving situations. Your code puts a set of values on a screen. How were they derived? Is a formula applied in one business applicable to another?
ButtweyBiscuitBass@reddit
Good people management is perennially valuable. Being able to say that your teams have low turn over and high performance ratings will always attract employers.
In terms of technical skills, in Marcomms at the moment change management is flourishing.
Mean_Pause_1508@reddit
The bubble well and truly burst regarding coding. I don't think it's AI, rather just the sheer number of bodies that went into it for a quick buck (me included). I've watched keen intelligent youngsters come into my place(s) of work and overtake me, because they want to work hard. It's just a numbers game.
I'd get 5+ calls from recruiters a day at one point, now I get none for months on end.
IlIIllIlllIIIllI@reddit
Plumbing, welding, gas engineer and imo biggest one - proper certified electrician.
Tons of houses/buildings will move to solar in next 10-15 years. So I can see the demand for electricians going up.
rabid-fox@reddit
Construction
Littleish@reddit
At this very moment, anyone in Gen AI engineering or able to pivot to it is doing great. Skillset involves: * Knowledge of python (actual knowledge, not oh look the LLM is doing it for me. A lot of the frameworks are brand new and LLMs are not helpful) * Knowledge of different models and their limitations and when to choose what * Cloud orchestration (pricing, networking, security etc) * Front end like flask or Django * Database / vector knowledge " Stakeholder management / business case creation etc
Wrong-booby7584@reddit
People management.
Impossible-Curve6277@reddit
Learn industrial automation. Trust me
W51976@reddit
Window cleaner or house cleaner.
Plastic_Doughnut_911@reddit
Leadership. Proper “people management”.
Myceliphilos@reddit
Pick up a specialist labour/trade.
JohnCasey3306@reddit
Anyone in a middleweight/senior coding role is probably gonna be fine as employment winds down — the jobs will vanish from the bottom up — certainly no point (and few possibilities) or starting as a junior now.
Anything human based — that is to say physical or social … so physical that it’d require significant long term advancements in robotics before you could be replaced; social meaning tasks like teaching / social work / policing that society wouldn’t easily accept being entrusted to AI any time soon.
Dependent_Guard6043@reddit
Sex industry. The government is issuing unlimited visas to south Asians and only last year more came to uk than polish people were born in Poland.
No job is safe and it is all by design.
Buy kneepads or refuse to buy in the scam that is the modern job market. If everyone is working hard but still barely affording food and shelter and 40y mortgages, the question is, where does it go?
ViewRepresentative30@reddit
Not sure if this is true - India + Pakistan migration UK 2024 was 233k vs Polish births of 252k. Bangladesh might bridge the gap though.
Obligatory mention that UK nett migration surged after we left the EU to \~900k, and has been in free fall since mid 2024. Stats should be out for first half of 2025 later this month, but we're probably nearly back to the average levels seen pre-2020
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