Tesla is able to produce and install higher quality and more reliable chargers quicker (and cheaper) than anyone else. That alone is the reason why we should be switching to NACS
NACS is different than super chargers. Tesla’s chargers are sill locked to Tesla cars. However there’s a new partnership agreement and Ford, VW, and GM have all signed on to it so their cars will gain access to the network. More car makers will or already have joined as well. It’s basically guaranteed all cars sold in NA will eventually gain access to Tesla’s chargers.
The NACS charger is the new spec for the physical connector and the protocols it supports. So every charger in NA will be switching to that physical charger.
It wasn't because of any superior tech, it was a management that actively cared about delivering a quality charging experence.
Didn't hurt they only had to test and certify their own cars as well.
They have only proven reliable when charging Tesla-manufactured vehicles. It remains to be seen how well they will work when interfacing with vehicles from other manufacturers.
The problems with CCS chargers seem to revolve around cable temperature sensors, payment terminals, software... From what I've experienced and seen in videos, the cars and chargers can all chat with one another just fine. It's everything else that keeps breaking.
Not that there aren't some car-charger comms issues, I know there's some problem with Rivians not getting along with EA stations, and Signet ones not liking 800V cars. Those issues don't take down stations though.
That's only true for AC charging though where it goes to the battery via the onboard charger. DC fast charging uses the external equipment to handle the charging and bypassed the onboard charger completely.
Technology Connections has videos on this too!
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AC (lv1/lv2) "chargers": [https://youtu.be/RMxB7zA-e4Y](https://youtu.be/RMxB7zA-e4Y)
DC fast chargers (lv3): https://youtu.be/sZOuz\_laH9I
The reality is this means that the charging infrastructure will roll out faster and that alone is incredibly big news.
People hate hearing the basic fact that most people use vehicles simply as commuter appliances.
When people have plenty of cheap charging options and those charging options exist outside of home ownership the uptake of electric vehicles will speed up even more than it has in the last few years.
> People hate hearing the basic fact that most people use vehicles simply as commuter appliances.
On this sub, that kind of statement is usually used for gate keeping- all EVs are appliances, you must not be a car enthusiast if you like EVs. Or, the car you think is a hot hatch is just a commuter appliance.
The last section where Alec talks about making charging stations more like gas stations (from payments to amenities) is what really needs to happen to make widespread EV adoption possible. You shouldn't have to search for a brand where your membership works to charge your car. With gas, although I usually fill up at Costco, when on a road trip I can stop anywhere and tap with my credit card and start fueling.
I think the resistance comes from the charging networks wanting deep data on their customers; if that is the case they should do like a lot of gas stations do and offer a (slightly) lower price for members of their program, but still work normally for the general public.
There's no way charging will be done in 5 minutes. It's simple physics. A vehicle spends an amount of energy, in kWh, to move, let's say about 50kWh every 200 miles or so. For you to put 50kWh worth in 6 minutes you'd need to cram 500 kW constantly into a battery. The fastest chargers nowadays do 350kW *peak* charging, and NO EV supports 350kW constant charging. And 50kW per 200 miles is a pretty optimistic consumption.
Now, if you double that to 10 minutes, we start to approach more realistic numbers, and even those aren't still reality.
And be honest with yourself, you spend at least 3 minutes just interacting with the pump before you actually start refueling.
Where we can reduce the time spent is with the interaction part, and this is where Tesla shines: it takes about 30s between parking, plugging and leaving, as opposed to fiddling with apps/cards/screens/connectors that take a while to "talk" to the car.
Rumor has it that Tesla is developing a megawatt charger... if that's true, for a 75kWh pack, you'd basically be done in 4.5 minutes (probably a little longer assuming a nonlinear charge rate).
The problem with a megawatt charger is that it wouldn't be practical for anything smaller than 200kWh. You'd need a ridiculously high C value to recharge a battery as small as 78kWh in as fast as 1MW. The limitation is still the battery.
Buc-ee’s signed a deal with Tesla to install chargers at all their stores. They’ve already completed quite a few of them, and it is one of my preferred places to charge.
I absolutely hate downloading multiple apps, signing up, having to deposit a MINIMUM AMOUNT like $20 just to charge for $4, and then finding out the fucking charger doesn't even work!
Tesla's stuff? Just roll up, plug in, play Polytopia for fifteen minutes, unplug, leave. App handles all the payments automatically. And sure, like one stall might be out of order, but fortunately there's usually a half dozen at each installation.
The thing is you can't run a business with 4 chargers. Even at highest speeds were only talking a dozen people an hour passing through. That's not enough revenue to do much.
If you look at Europe charging stations with full service have a dozen or more stalls.
Seems like a few are being proposed across north America, but none open yet.
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