Diesel dilemma
Posted by Aleutian_Solution@reddit | projectcar | View on Reddit | 8 comments
So I’ve been talking about diesel swapping my C20 Suburban for a while, both here and the r/Diesel page, but I have not actually decided on which diesel I want. Right now it has a 6.2 Detroit in it, which I love, but isn’t great for the work I have planned for it (tow rig). So I’ve been throwing around the idea of doing a CAT3126 swap as it would be unique and be more than capable of doing the job I need it to do, but as I started looking into them more and more I saw how finicky and temperamental they can be, especially with the HUEI pump and oil change intervals, plus the cost of rebuilding one isn’t something I am a fan of. So I settled on two options, a DT360 or an L5P Duramax. Now me being a logical person I look at the DT360 and see a mechanical engine that can take ungodly amounts of power and shrug it off, basically zero wiring (less wires = better in my opinion), lower rebuild costs, unmatched reliability, and several other things I don’t remember, all in a package roughly the same size as a 12 valve Cummins, which has been swapped into a square body truck multiple times before so I know it fits. However, the engine has been out of production for more than 40 years and parts are not as easy to find as the Duramax. Then I look at the Duramax and see a pretty reliable engine that is more than capable of doing what I need in a lighter package that is more commonly available and still in production so if something breaks getting a replacement part isn’t as big of a hassle as it is with the DT engine. Also I LOVE the sounds that come out of a straight piped duramax makes (the truck is emissions exempt, it wont have emissions with either engine), however, I do not understand electricity in the slightest and rewiring my entire truck just for the sound is not something I want to do. My dad thinks Duramax for the availability, coworkers are split with most thinking I’ll never actually get around to it. What are your thoughts?
1320Fastback@reddit
As a 12V owner I would go that direction. Plenty of power, stupid reliable, zero computer or sensors necessary, parts are easily sources when needed.
Aleutian_Solution@reddit (OP)
I already have a 12v swapped vehicle (technically it hasn’t been swapped yet, but the car is getting a 12v swap) and I really don’t like the idea of more than one of my vehicles having the same engine. Otherwise I would and it wouldn’t even be a question.
Radius8887@reddit
I'm in a similar spot considering swapping my 77 K20. I'd choose the DT360 hands down, electrically controlled engines wouldn't even be in my consideration, fuck that shit.
Aleutian_Solution@reddit (OP)
That’s the biggest concern I have with the Duramax. I know they are good engines and they are capable, but I would basically have to buy an entire new truck and swap the wiring to make it work.
FocusedADD@reddit
DT360. Intended to be in frame rebuilt, and that alone is worth it over the Dmax imo. Any diesel shop worth their tools will be able to source the parts for it. Dead rock simple, but at the cost of fuel consumption and probably less power.
Aleutian_Solution@reddit (OP)
Power is easily addressable if all the internet techs are right so that’s not a problem. I’ve heard various reports on the fuel economy, one guy said he was getting 18–20 unloaded doing 65 on the freeway, another dude said he couldn’t get above 13 downhill in neutral. Not really worried about that. The truck has a 60 gallon tank which is enough at either economy to get me to most tracks around where I live on a single tank.
FocusedADD@reddit
Sure you can boost the tits off it to make an impressive dyno sheet, but how long is it going to live at that power level? Pulling a big grade keeping up with traffic is one terrible time to learn EGTs aren't just numbers that go up. That's what gave the big cam Cummins a bad rep. They'll make huge power but get hot quick and guys burn them down trying to keep up pulling big loads up big grades.
Fuel economy has more to do with the gearing, aero, and overall combination (well matched and suited turbo, good injector spray pattern, ect ect ect all the way down to the wheel and tire combo) than just "it's a 360". It's a mechanical diesel, you're always going to be at a disadvantage tuning your shot timing compared to electronic control, and you're always going to be at a displacement disadvantage compared to the 6.6.
If you're not going to be satisfied without being able to quote and back up a serious power number with an acceptable failure rate then skip the 360. Keep the power modest and keep the combination happy and it'll live forever. Then it can be resleeved (the maintenance procedure not the machine shop one) reringed, and a new set of bearings to live forever again. Which I'm a bigger fan of, but that's just me.
Aleutian_Solution@reddit (OP)
I’m not looking to make huge numbers, maybe 350-400 but that is more so I can get up to highway speeds without it taking thirty years to do.