Good idea to keep copper and aluminum bullion?
Posted by PurpleCableNetworker@reddit | preppers | View on Reddit | 99 comments
I’m looking to get into scrapping metal as a hobby along with melting it down into bullion and wanted to know if it’s reasonable to keep copper and aluminum bullion on hand rather than simply scrapping the metal.
For reference - aluminum would be from cans that we drink and copper would be from damaged extension cords that my work throws out (sometimes by the trashcan full).
Was thinking of keeping aluminum and copper on hand in addition to some gold and silver (those would be bought, not scrapped).
TexFarmer@reddit
I prefer Lead & brass bullion.
Aluminum power is highly useful.
TrainXing@reddit
Aluminum power?
TexFarmer@reddit
Properly mixed can produce highly entertaining reactions.
TrainXing@reddit
Ahhhh... HS chemistry is coming back to me. Or is that zinc and Magnesium? 😂 too long ago.
Cavemanjoe47@reddit
It's aluminum powder and iron oxide, but the easiest way to light it off is magnesium ribbon.
TrainXing@reddit
Thank you! My memory is growing vague of those days!
TexFarmer@reddit
Now you're cooking! LOL
Mynplus1throwaway@reddit
You put power instead of powder
TexFarmer@reddit
intended
warl0cks@reddit
Metal trading (other than dental metals, which might be more common if barber style dentistry ends up the norm in a collapse) are only part of my SHTF/collapse for use at the being/onset of said event. First couple weeks/months people will trade metals, then simple supply demand kicks in and ammo,medication, food and water end up ruling the day.
Don’t get me wrong metals are great for “prepping for Tuesday” or FIAT collapse/political unrest. But for long term survival, not really as valuable as you would suspect.
A under appreciated topic on this sub is trading for services. If you have skills that can be traded for what have you, that’s something you don’t have to physically pack around. So read and learn skills that would be helpful.
TrainXing@reddit
I'd have to have some awfully concrete reasons to think it would be needed to start stacking lead and tin, but here you go OP, if that is where you are thinking it is going.
Maybe don't start stacking Uranium. 😂
Common Bullet Materials Lead and Lead Alloys: Lead is the most common core material due to its high density (which helps with stability and kinetic energy transfer), low cost, and low melting point, making it easy to cast into shape. Alloying it with metals like antimony increases its hardness, reducing lead residue (fouling) in the gun barrel, especially at higher velocities.
Copper and Gilding Metal: These are the most common materials for bullet jackets. The jacket prevents the softer lead core from melting or deforming at high speeds, engages the barrel's rifling for stability, and controls the bullet's expansion upon impact. Some modern bullets, especially those used for hunting or in areas with lead restrictions, are made entirely of solid copper or gilding metal (mono-metal bullets). Steel: Steel is used in some bullet cores, especially for armor-piercing (AP) rounds, because of its hardness and density. Steel-core bullets are often plated with copper for corrosion resistance and to reduce barrel wear.
Plastics and Polymers: These materials are used in several ways: As tips in hollow-point bullets to improve aerodynamics and ensure reliable expansion on impact. As a coating over lead bullets (synthetic jacket or polymer coating) to reduce lead exposure and barrel fouling, particularly for indoor ranges. For non-lethal training or riot control rounds.
Other Materials:
Tungsten or Depleted Uranium: Used for specialized, high-penetration AP ammunition due to their extreme density and hardness.
Bismuth, Tin, Zinc: Used in lead-free alternatives for environmental reasons.
Rubber, Wax, Paper: Used for non-lethal, blank, or practice ammunition.
Good_Roll@reddit
it's very unlikely that in early-mid collapse people are going to be swaging their own copper jacketed bullets. They might be casting lead with copper gas checks but the process to make FMJs is more complicated and tedious than most people will bother with.
Cavemanjoe47@reddit
You don't need fmj's, with something like 9mm you can use cast lead and then powder coat them before seating/loading and the powdercoat acts like a jacket enough to hold it together. You won't get Gold Dot performance out of them, but they'll work.
Good_Roll@reddit
Yeah that's primarily what I load for my 9s (except 9 major), but you dont need copper to powdercoat castings.
TrainXing@reddit
Plus, 'Murica has garages full of it, trunks in closets, etc.
Mynplus1throwaway@reddit
I learned to weld and machine as a prep. I now also sadly collect metal. I have probably a ton of scrap steel
PurpleCableNetworker@reddit (OP)
I’m looking at it as a hedge against fiat collapse and inflation - nothing really beyond that. In a real SHTF it’s largely useless in bar form to 98% of people.
No_Character_5315@reddit
I'm in the commodity business copper and aluminum prices will collapse because it's a manufacturing metal and in economic collapse all but essential manufacturing will be shut down creating a bigger supply than demand for metals like copper and aluminum.
Ancient-one511@reddit
Where would you sell your bars of unknown quality from an unknown source?
Chance_Cheetah_7678@reddit
Jmo but if your work routinely throws out large amounts of copper would damn sure get it, learn to strip it for top price and add that as an income source dude. Even build it up and sit on it as it's unlikely prices for anything are coming down. So save it up and cash it in at a good time in bulk.
The people buying scrap are obviously selling it at a profit to someone else. Research what they're doing ? Has to be just like precious metals, people buying it (scrap gold or whatever) for lower and selling it to someone higher up the chain for a profit.
Use that revenue for whatever obviously but since you're on a preppers sub you clearly know some things have a greater inherent value. Food, medicine, ammo and weapons stocks etc etc. Those things that are going to have a much higher value if things go sideways than hunks of metal. Whether that's keeping you and your family well or for barter or mutual aid.
More jmo in terms of bullion, I'm not really qualified to have an opinion. Personally main value I could see is having some of that on hand in the event that our/your country goes tits up and being able to escape to another where you could have something of value as a nest egg kind of thing but domestically if the shtf who is going to trade food for a hunk of gold or silver metal at any reasonable exchange rate ?
Can't really do this subject justice, as it's clearly friggin complicated.
AdEmotional8815@reddit
Why would you hoard scrap metal though?
TheLostExpedition@reddit
Copper and aluminum are useful for p and n gates as well as making sacrificial batteries and electrical conductance. Not to mention aluminums radiation shielding and coppers' magnetic Flux characteristics.
Rand_alThoor@reddit
and one can make lye fairly easily (low tech) by filtring water though wood ash?
UND_mtnman@reddit
Silly wetlander, can't you just use saidin?
Rand_alThoor@reddit
did you read A Memory Of Light? if you didn't finish the series I'll not spoil it for you.
UND_mtnman@reddit
Absolutely did. So, you being Rand and all...the pipe?!
dfeeney95@reddit
You should just scrap the metal at a scrap yard and take the money you make and buy bullets if you’re actually worried about shtf scenario
andrewa101@reddit
I've thought about that too. Is a cool idea, but storage can be very tricky. They don't hold crazy value but I think is still fun to keep a few just in case.
FunkU247365@reddit
I keep enough to do my own repairs as needed… every car is loaded with it.
incruente@reddit
What are you planning to do with it? Trying to make things with it? Or simply using it for barter?
PurpleCableNetworker@reddit (OP)
Hedge against inflation/fiat collapse.
No_Albatross7213@reddit
No, that would not be a good idea at all. These two metals are for mechanical stability from, not for fiat currency like gold/silver.
incruente@reddit
That doesn't answer my question. You can use it as a hedge by selling it later for money, you could use it as a hedge by trying to barter with it instead of buying things, you could stop buying certain things and instead machine or cast them yourself, all sorts of things.
What, specifically, do you plan to DO with it?
PurpleCableNetworker@reddit (OP)
Sell it.
incruente@reddit
You're wasting you energy. Either you're selling it now to scrappers, who would much rather have the metal in its original form so they have a better idea of the quality, or you're trying to sell it after a major event, when almost no one is going to want random bricks of metal that they cannot do anything with, and the quality and purity of which they would find difficult to assess.
GonnaFapToThis@reddit
Crackhead idea, literally.
F6Collections@reddit
We laugh now until doomsday comes and after weeks of bugging out we stumble into a settlement successfully operating off an aluminum based currency with this guy as their cult leader
Connect_Stay_137@reddit
He just wants to be Ea-nāṣir of the modern age
U_S_A1776@reddit
A man of culture, no one likes shitty copper
TheAzureMage@reddit
Well, scrappers are always buying metal. If you think scrap prices are lower now that they will be in the future, that's a form of speculation that is quite common.
mrpicklemtb@reddit
Nobody is going to want to buy copper or aluminium after a financial collapse, they're so abundant that people would be able to get it for free elsewhere by stealing it
plsobeytrafficlights@reddit
that is a terrible plan. go work a handful of hours at walmart, you will accrue far more than this plan will ever net you.
No_Character_5315@reddit
If you factor in the cost of equipment and fuel needed to melt it down it isn't worth your time better to sell it and put money into silver or gold.
Mynplus1throwaway@reddit
You can machine the cans. One dude made a cool beer can lower.
I've been wanting to make an ingot big enough to lathe. Muffins aren't extremely suitable
SetNo8186@reddit
For prepping, aluminum in shapes you can fabricate is far better, same with copper - wiring and strap that can be fashioned for projects and repairs. Not many will want to barter for copper bullion in bars when they and you would prefer 14/3 romex or aluminum sheet for a patch, fabricate a box, etc.
Which is why so many older farmers had a large scrap pile "behind the barn" where they could salvage old materials for a more current use rather than pay thru the nose for new materials after a day getting into town and back. I have one of those on the other side of the property line fence and its chock full of interesting things. The 000 entrance cable is especially tempting.
BinarySolar@reddit
IMO, if Cu goes up in value so are other metals like Ag, Au, Pt... so, why stack a 1000lbs when you can convert it into say Ag at 100lbs or Au at 10lbs?
CTSwampyankee@reddit
Generally, the shortest distance between what you want and what you have is currency.
Make money buy preps now.
Siafu_Soul@reddit
The only reason I would do this is if I was going to later use them myself. It's not worth the energy to melt them before selling. Just scrap them.
SonsOfValhallaGaming@reddit
OP, if your goal is to sell it, keep in mind that firstly, aluminum currently runs less than a dollar per pound in most places, maxing out at 2 bucks a pound during shortages usually. Unless you're melting down the cans, and collecting bricks of the stuff, you're not going to feasibly be able to keep enough aluminum to sell to make it worth the costs of not just melting it down, but storing it. Also, a one pound brick of aluminum still sells for the same as a pound of aluminum cans, and still takes up space, albeit less space, if you're talking a quantity that is worth selling or bartering post SHTF, you're talking a LOT of aluminum, and in the event of SHTF, if you have to bug out, you're now going to have to worry about transporting all that technically useless metal.
Aluminum is not rare, it's not valuable, and it's not worth much now, and won't be worth much to barter in the event of full societal collapse. Aluminum is found in so many products, and since it's not survival essential, it won't be something taken from supermarkets and other sources, so the people who actually have a use for aluminum won't need to barter for it and won't need that much of it.
As for copper, if you're talking cords, you're also talking about an already formed and worked form of copper. Sure, pure bright copper can sell for as much as $10 a pound to the right buyer, in mint condition or pure form, but in used cords? MAYBE 50 cents a pound. It's just not worth much, and since you're talking cords that don't even work, you're talking about even less. Again, you could in theory melt it down, but insulated copper cordage is not pure, and you would lose about 30% yield from a melt and pour. One pound of copper would melt down and slough down to about 11.5 ounces of copper, so if you were making one pound bricks for example, you'd have to melt down about 22 ounces at a time, and again, now you're talking about a metal that not only is still not perfect, it's been previously ionized, not perfectly ideal for electronics or cordage, also not ideal for circuitry, and very vulnerable to oxidation, which would further dillute any value it has, and still wouldn't sell for much more than it did before.
In a SHTF scenario, full societal collapse, the only people who would actually have an interest in copper would also have knowledge in how to find it in bulk, at high quality. And if they DID need the copper you had, again, it wouldn't be worth much, as it is very common, easy to work with, easier to acquire, and worst of all, only has a few post collapse uses. Wiring, cordage and circuits at best, and even then, that's gonna require someone with the knowledge and tools to do so. Otherwise it's just paperweight metal or something good for really cheap tools and weapons.
Gold and silver as well have limited post collapse use. Gold is valuable because our economy and technology based society makes it valuable. Rings, motherboards, jewelry, circuitry, lasers, magnifying microscopes,,etc. Silver is much the same. It would sell well to the uneducated, but then you'd inevitably come across one of those people who say ''and wtf am I gonna do with a bunch of shiny metal chunks? I can't exactly buy land and food with it'' and you'd be dead in the water. And for their prices nowadays, they are immeasurably not worth the purchase. Gold and silver are only valuable in an intact society, and only if you buy low and sell high, and those markets are purposefully guarded and full of fakes, scams and worst case, low quality metal not actually worth anything.
Spiley_spile@reddit
Depends. Has something made it a scarce resource in the scenario you're prepping for?
Historical_Course587@reddit
You're better off selling it now. If the world goes sideways, recyclable metals will be everywhere. Think of all the cars that won't move an inch without oil, or the millions of miles of power lines and pipes that don't have water or electricity moving through them anymore. People who have a purpose for metals in those situations won't need your homemade bullion.
In general, I think the prepping communities like this one need to take a step back from the idea that barter is a worthwhile investment. Barter is only stable when parties can all consistently bring similar goods to market in the long term. If you can grow potatoes year after year, you can trade potatoes - that's great. But if you're trading copper because you need something, that need is like an essential good that nobody else can afford to part with.
Instead of barter supplies, start storing the things you will need, and if you absolutely have to run a post-apocalyptic business then barter those things - everyone else will probably need them too.
TheGreatSockMan@reddit
If you would utilize the materials, a set aside stockpile may be worthwhile, but if you want a hedge against inflation, you’ve really got 2 options; silver and gold.
In a shtf scenario, I may barter out for some aluminum, but only if I have a use for it, and even if I do, I want a certain quality of it
kkinnison@reddit
The problem is the metal you are turning into bullion has lots of impurities and would be only good for something like art projects.. nothing load bearing or even used for wiring. It is still scrap metal and you would get scrap metal prices.
it isnt worth the effort, especially with the cost of energy (even if you are using Solar, wood or coal) and time to do it. That energy is better used for heat and cooking then making scrap metal
IGnuGnat@reddit
If I had access to scrap copper I would definitely try my hand at making my own bullion. I do have some copper bullion, copper pipe and copper fittings on hand; sometimes the pipe and fittings save me a trip to the hardware store.
There is something about copper bullion that I really like. I'm not a fan of woo, but I can't help but imagine it's "good energy" or "good vibrations". It just feels really nice to have a coin like that in your hand or in your pocket. People do pay far over spot for copper bullion
However if your focus is on long term investment I suggest buying copper miners on the stock market
PurpleCableNetworker@reddit (OP)
I’m with you on the woo factor. I think that’s where my mind was at - being in awe of a shiny bar of copper. 😆
After consideration from people I’ll keep it as merely a hobby, but anything for financial gain will be in silver or gold.
IGnuGnat@reddit
Copper is too bulky to hold for financial gain, however I actually think copper could gain value faster than silver or gold over time; I think it will be more profitable because it's being used more and more in solar, the electrification of vehicles and so on: demand should really continue growing. It may actually make more sense to invest in copper instead of silver and gold; just not by holding it physically. I think people are missing this point personally
Dry_System9339@reddit
You would be better off buying wire or sheet metal than bars or coins.
plsobeytrafficlights@reddit
the cost to process it for "just in case" vs just buying a spool..
there is a reason you really only see the homeless collecting cans, your time is just too valuable.
but if you have a 3D metal printer, certain do keep spools of both around.
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit
I have several hundreds of pounds of heavy copper wire and bus bars for battery projects, I can tell you that while you're not wrong that the numerical price will increase, so will the prices of things you'd be buying. So the thing it comes down to is volume and ease of physically liquidating or even moving it if you had to, especially in an emergency. But they do in fact trade, and are reasonably durable. Aluminum however, is a whole other level of volume and common, doesn't make sense.
Same doesn't make sense goes for melting it at such a level, the btu cost on that volume to compact it doesnt make sense. At a middle level... like... a common man working / saving, silver can even be Voluminous mass, so much so that keeping it safe can be an issue in a house and im not joking, look at a tradesmans wage in silver over 10 years and convert it to silver at a mean average price... its literal barrels but still small enough to carry, then convert to buy groceries for a family.... Think what it would take to liquidate $500 in copper to buy groceries in a month (not an uncommon number) ... and imagine your back is out... yeah... turns into a PIA when you start thinking logistically.
Lancifer1979@reddit
During a collapse, aluminum and copper scrap would be abundant for salvaging. If you’re talking copper pipe, fittings, wire, then it’d be useful. Aluminum? No. It’s easily recycled. Cast some ant hills with it.
BlacksmithThink9494@reddit
Metal and gems will always hold some value so I would never tell someone to not have backup like that. The things is, we dont know if we need it. So better to have than not. Just dont go into debt or spend too much on it.
minnesotamoon@reddit
I just secretly keep gold and silver bullion.
In a shtf situation the stuff that will be most valuable will be hard drugs, sex, alcohol, gold, silver, guns and ammo in that order. Get stocked up, it’s not looking good.
Eredani@reddit
Many other and better options if you want barter, investment or material items. So, no.
venerealderangement@reddit
I would sell it for scrap now and buy food and bullets with the proceeds. It is a very specific and unusual scenario that we are unable to trade using dollars but still have industry to make raw metals more valuable than food or bullets.
superliminal_potato@reddit
An important part of your reasoning should be "what if the apocalypse doesn't come and I need the money to fix my roof".
If you want to put some of your savings into silver or gold, it's fairly harmless because the market is very liquid and you can always sell them in a matter of hours for close to spot price.
The market for copper and aluminum isn't like that. There are no other hobbyists you can sell to. Most businesses don't want to buy mystery metals from a random private person. And if you take them to a scrap yard, they will pay you a fraction of the original price.
I'd say it's generally not a good preparedness strategy because you're basically throwing out money. And in the very unlikely case that the civilization collapses, this doesn't automatically make your metals valuable. Maybe the doomsday scenario turns out to be that industrial output drops precipitously and there's actually plenty of raw materials to go around, just no one using them to make stuff.
PurpleCableNetworker@reddit (OP)
Fully agree with your stance on that. I’m less of a “the world is coming to an end” pepper and more of a “Prep for Tuesday and financial issues” kind of guy. With that being said - after reading the multitude of responses I think I am better off just sticking to gold and silver for my intended purpose.
SithLordRising@reddit
If you have easy supply, yes, otherwise other assets are more useful. Copper is difficult to work with and uses a lot of heat. Most just keep it as scrap, although stripping wire isn't bad. Aluminum cans are very dirty and the waste burned off means it has to be refined. I've done both. I also traded tonnes of drinks bottles, recycling PET. That's a long story. Dirty oil a good option
fenuxjde@reddit
Aluminum is a super difficult metal to work with from a small shop/hobbyist standpoint.
TheAzureMage@reddit
Not really. I have a friend with a hobby level forge that does cast aluminum.
HotIntroduction8049@reddit
actually it is not. i have made a few ingots of old car rims. then machined them into things. AL is easy to melt and work.
cans would be a waste of effort. it is easy to find free scrap AL auto rims.
CU on the other hand has a much higher melting point thus more difficult.
GrossLesman@reddit
i will say i just made some really light weight racks from aluminum and it was a joy to work with that way... not the you may mean but it cut nice, drilled like butter and of course is so light
Himalayanyomom@reddit
Lol no its not, I've cast gun frames with soda cans / scrap Buswork
incruente@reddit
Depends what you're doing. The gingery books specifically focus on aluminum for even such things as building your own lathe, specifically because it's relatively easy to cast.
fenuxjde@reddit
But extremely hard to melt and work with, it takes a ton of energy.
incruente@reddit
Compared to what? Aluminum is easily the most popular metal to work in backyard foundries. MUCH easier to cast than, say, iron.
PurpleCableNetworker@reddit (OP)
Good to know. Perhaps those cans just go to the recycling center instead. Lol.
ExaminationDry8341@reddit
The metals are probably worth more in their current form than if you melted them down.
In their current form the scrap yard can make a pretty good guess on what alloy it is, and will pay you accordingly. If you melt it down they have to assume it is the least valuable, or they may not buy it at all because they dont want to containment their sorted piles. On top of that, it takes a large amount to have any real value. It would take 3 or 4 pounds of copper to trade foe a hamburger and fries.
Vaderiv@reddit
Chances are, the majority of extension cords are not made of copper. Nowadays, there is a significant amount of scrap wire in use. It can be challenging to solder these cords, and repurposing them may not yield much value. On the other hand, if you are dismantling house wiring, it is typically copper throughout.
Swmp1024@reddit
I melt scrap metal down with a furnace, and have been playing around with sand casting and lost pla casting (as an addition to 3d printing).
Aluminum and copper make a nice bronze. Lots of potential uses in fabrication.
myOEburner@reddit
What's the plan once you get all this metal?
And do you have heirs? I'd ask them if they want to have to deal with piles of metal at some point.
Enigma_xplorer@reddit
So what is your intentions for it?
If you are keeping it for financial reasons it's kind of a gray area. For starters, what would you consider a significant amount of money? A few thousand dollars? What would a few thousand dollars worth of aluminum cans look like? It's an absolutely massive pile! And what will you do with it? Leave it outside so if scrap prices skyrocket your pile will get stolen? The point is storage of a financially significant amount of scrap copper or aluminum starts to get a bit impractical. On top of that I'm not sure what you can expect from scrap prices going forward. You are essentially choosing between holding assets or dollars. Inflation has been running hot and I personally I expect inflation in the US to run at unacceptably high levels for the foreseeable future which makes physical assets more valuable. Of course a metals like copper and aluminum are also subject to supply and demand factors. If inflation is running hot and the economy is in the tank that means industrial demand will slow suppressing prices. You also have to remember the geopolitical tensions. Most of our scrap metal is only collected in the US then shipped to China for processing. As you may have noticed that relationship has been a bit frosty lately and could have a significant impact of scrap prices should it get worse or become subject to restriction or tariffs. You also need to consider if you sell the scrap you can use the funds to buy other investments you thought would be better like gold or whatever.
If your are keeping it with intentions of using it yourself I would say probably not. The tooling you would need to take scrap and turn it into something new and useful is a lot. Thats in the very rare case that we have a SHTF event that would ever require that.
If you are keeping it incase there is a shortage then thats also pretty dubious. Aluminum and copper aren't particularly rare. If there was a shortage either because of a spike in supply or demand falling off it's probably because of issues with China either internal or external. In that case even having the scrap metal won't mean a whole lot as China is the main processor of raw materials and scrap metal. Scrap prices would probably collapse as it would start to pile up with fewer recycler to accept it.
PurpleCableNetworker@reddit (OP)
All good points I hadn’t considered. Thanks for the input! After hearing multiple people say the same basic thing I think it’s a good idea to simply pass on the idea.
It was a cool pipe dream while it lasted.
Time4fun2022@reddit
I have some copper pieces that are used for dungeons and dragons play
Pyrokitsune@reddit
I mean, I keep a collection of aluminum, brass, and copper around, but I can actually do something with them with my mini foundry. Unlike others I dont see much of a point in keeping even precious metals around hoping they have some kind of value to others. Especially aluminum, it's mainly useful for industry and as common as dirt. The amount you would need to be meaningful is going to be nuts, and unless you are melting those cans down into ingots even crushed they take up way too much space.
If you get free copper though I would keep that shit. At least until you have enough to make a trip to the scrapyard worthwhile. As for stockpiling it as a prep? I only see a use in that if you can actually do something with it. Use the scrap money to fund current preps instead.
PurpleCableNetworker@reddit (OP)
Very fair points.
This is the kind of input I was looking for. I think I’ll “scrap” the idea. Lol.
greyagorism@reddit
Only form of copper you should be keeping is scrap copper, like wiring, pipes, fittings, flashing if you can get them around scrap prices. If you have copper plumbing, go ahead and get some pipe and fittings for repairs. Same with aluminum, get it at scrap prices. Copper bullion is greatly overpriced and will never be worthwhile.
PurpleCableNetworker@reddit (OP)
The idea of getting fittings hadn’t really crossed my mind. That actually is a fantastic idea. Thanks!
Siglet84@reddit
Unless you’re set up for casting, I wouldn’t mess with it. Casting can be incredibly useful tho.
PurpleCableNetworker@reddit (OP)
Fair point.
drnewcomb@reddit
Don’t forget lead and tin. Very handy and low tech.
Astroloan@reddit
We need to know more about your fantasy build to give good advice for your fantasy scenario.
For example, do you have the Trader perk? If so, then you are probably better off selling the material, since you get the bonus to vendor sales. But if you are a Fire Mage, then you can smelt the metal into ingots for free.
OF course, you are going to say "But what if I am both, then what?" and the answer is (of course) "Respec- a fire mage cant waste feats on perks like Trader or Mercantilism"
Honestly, OP, you really need to know how to play this fantasy game better.
surfaholic15@reddit
We keep aluminum and copper on hand in useable form. Copper pipe/fittings, aluminum items. We also have the equipment and skill to refine scrap metals in general. And we can turn ore into metal, in terms of the ordinary stuff (gold, silver, lead, copper, iron, tin). Not aluminum, so for that i am already figuring on making sone aluminum stock bars for fun at some point, for making other things.
In terms of a fiat collapse, i am keeping all my pre 1982 pennies. And now newer pennies. And a certain percentage of my nickels, dimes and quarters. People have inordinate faith in fiat, and they will still be useful accounting tools along with paper money even in a total devaluation instance.
Besides, i know how to melt them down and refine them into their constituent metals.
We have gold and silver for after. Not before and during. After, when folks remember sound money is a good idea is when gold and silver come into play. Though i do spend it now and then already, and we have been paid with it.
InformationKey3816@reddit
Copper and aluminum pricing is at best a net wash to melt down and sell. The guys that are doing it on YouTube are making way more money off their videos than the metal itself. If you have a line on a decent amount of metal I would probably just scrap it and get fiat for it, and then use that money to buy precious metals instead of holding a bunch of industrial metal
Led_Zeppole_73@reddit
I keep copper and aluminum in the form of pipes, valves, pots, pans, etc. It‘s cheaper keeping them that way than the cost of melt, as the scrapyards here don’t accept them in the form of poured bars. I do have 100+ rounds of private mint copper rounds although I bought them years ago when they were cheaper.
Tornado2251@reddit
If you want to store something other than cash (foreign or domestic) to use for payment. Fuel, alcohol or maybe drugs could be alternatives.
Proper_War4054@reddit
It's the same thing as gold dude.
Do you plan on melting it down and using it? Do you have those skills?
It's going to be useless. you know what will be invaluable? Bullets and water.
ProofRip9827@reddit
learn some copper and aluminum smithing, might be useful
TemporarySpirited@reddit
Copper yes absolutely, some people will pay well over spot for a good bar aswell
throwawaybsme@reddit
You can't eat metal for sustenance
Who determines the metal value?
Are you considering storing Al and Cu to use in the future? Do you have metal working tools, drawing equipment, etc?