NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50 SUPER refresh faces uncertainty amid reports of 3GB GDDR7 memory shortage - VideoCardz.com
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jenny_905@reddit
Unsourced rumour based on a tweet with some mspaint scrawled over it.
Come the fuck on lol
BlueGoliath@reddit
I like how this is clearly a violation of rule 7 and 8 yet is still up for some reason. All VideoCardz does it repost other people's content but hey, don't archive their content because that's against the rules.
jenny_905@reddit
Weird isn't it? Other stuff gets nukes immediately but this trash (and most of the trash rumors from various sites) gets left alone.
constantlymat@reddit
A second purported leaker now claims Super is delayed until Q3 2026 and 5060Ti 16GB is about to be in short supply.
What confuses me about that is the recent report which claimed nvidia advised board partners to shift 5060Ti 8GB production towards the 16GB model.
Is that a move you make when you're about to run out of memory modules?
Ill-Mastodon-8692@reddit
the 60 series is expected early 2027, there is no reason to even release the supers if its that late
Vb_33@reddit
Said leaker states:
In another reply he says:
Exact_Library1144@reddit
And this is why people insisting you should wait for a Super refresh are misguided.
Upgrade your GPU when you’re not happy with the performance you’re getting. Don’t wait for ‘the next thing’ except in really limited circumstances where it is known (not speculated) that a huge leap is around the corner, which is generally never the case.
DiggingNoMore@reddit
I mean, I wanted to replace my GTX 1080, so I waited for the 50 series launch and got the 5080 in early March instead of getting a 4080 a couple months earlier.
If a new generation is about to drop, why wouldn't you wait?
Jon_TWR@reddit
I bought a 4080 Super roughly a year ago, for less than the retail price of a 5080.
I ended up with a little less performance but also paid less (I think it came out to like $870) and got a free copy of Indiana Jones and the Great Circle, and got to enjoy my card for months before the 5080 dropped.
For the record, I don't think either one of us made the wrong decision. I got lucky because the upcoming performance of the 5080 and VRAM was only rumored, this time it happened to be the smallest generational uplift maybe ever. You bought after release, so the performance of the 5080 was a known factor--which is never a bad choice.
MiloIsTheBest@reddit
Yeah I reckon the other guy did lol. Imagine waiting the 2 extra years for a performance uplift beyond that of a 4080 and then buying a 5080 for more money and nearly no further performance uplift.
Honestly the 5080 is truly a terrible purchase pretty much any way you cut it. Even by the standards of this underwhelming generation.
DiggingNoMore@reddit
I got the 5080 for $999 (after pressing F5 around the clock for two weeks), so I'm pretty pleased with that.
That being said, I do not see any noticeable difference between it and my GTX 1080.
Exact_Library1144@reddit
We’re talking about people waiting 12-18 months, not 1-3.
TemuPacemaker@reddit
Where? Your post was about the Super refresh.
We don't have exact dates but it was expected somewhere in late Q1, not 2027.
Exact_Library1144@reddit
I’m not talking necessarily about people making this comment now, but throughout the launch and initial lifespan of the 50 series.
People were saying ‘wait for Super’ back in February. By the time a 50 Super series is readily available, that’s a 12-18 month wait, realistically closer to 18 than 12.
FollowingFeisty5321@reddit
Yeh but the consequence of waiting another 18 months is basically having to game on medium settings, not that big a deal either.
Exact_Library1144@reddit
Not for someone building their first PC.
Also, I’d be very surprised if VRAM ends up being the reason anyone upgrades from a 12GB or 16GB 50 series GPU. Performance will be the limiting factor before VRAM is, imo.
BlueGoliath@reddit
People who bought 4070 TIs are probably real happy with that 12GB of VRAM.
Exact_Library1144@reddit
There aren’t many games that exhaust 12GB of VRAM at a resolution you’d use a 4070 Ti for so yeah, probably.
BlueGoliath@reddit
Here we go again with the "specific resolutions only need specific amount of VRAM" BS again.
Exact_Library1144@reddit
Not what I said, is it?
BlueGoliath@reddit
It is, but you and other "high IQ" people clearly aren't capable of understanding the meaning of your own words.
Framed-Photo@reddit
It's a gamble either way. Nobody in this thread can say they called a global dram shortage that would potentially cancel highly rumoured cards.
So either you gamble that the cards aren't very good and your 50 series purchase made sense, or you gamble that the 50 super series is good and you wait for that.
Exact_Library1144@reddit
I think that’s a bit of a misguided perspective. There will always be something better round the corner. Just because something else comes out doesn’t make what you bought bad, or a bad deal. If you bought an RTX 5080, a 5080 Super comes out a year later with 24GB VRAM, but you keep the 5080 for just as long as you were expecting to before upgrading anyway, was it a bad deal? Did you make a mistake? Was 8GB of VRAM worth either not having a PC for a year, or having performance you weren’t happy with for a year?
The only sensible rules to follow are (1) upgrade only when you’re dissatisfied with the performance of your current PC, and (2) completely ignore new releases after upgrading until you’re dissatisfied with your performance again.
Any other approach will just lead to pointless anxiety about timing the market and a fear of missing out.
5heuredumat@reddit
And also, it's an Nvidia card. Just like Apple products, the resale value is absolutely mental.
There are PLENTY of people that went from a 4090 to a 5090 at a tiny cost like $200 or $300, and sometimes for no cost at all if they were lucky and got a deal, just because they sold their previous card at the right time. Same thing applies to people that went from a 4080/4080S to a 5080 and practically upgraded for free.
AMD on the other hand you buy the card to keep the card because the resale value immediately goes down the shitter once the gen isn't current, for example the 6800XT sells for a slice of bread but the 3080Ti which is the exact same card in raster but benefits from Nvidia Tech sells for up to 200€ more here in Europe.
Framed-Photo@reddit
There will always be something better, but there's a pretty stark difference between waiting 5 years and 5 months for a new better product.
constantlymat@reddit
I think both your perspectives are valid and it depends on what type of PC buyer you are advising.
There are a ton of people who want advise on a GPU purchase and they expect to not have to touch theirs for the next five years. For that type of buyer, advising him to wait for a potential Super refresh with 50% more VRAM is not at all an unreasonable thing to do if he doesn't want an AMD card.
However telling someone to wait who is comfortable with upgrading his card every 2-3 years and selling his old one while it still holds its value, is not very good advise.
RRgeekhead@reddit
Or you just buy what you need when you need it and don't spend too much time worrying about something better always coming along.
tiradium@reddit
True but also anyone with at least some common sense knows that Nvidia doesn't give a fuck about gaming GPUs so even if there is a potential delay it wont affect their bottom line that much and that's all these corporations care about and not that Timmy cannot play the latest gam e at 120 fps
Perfect-Cause-6943@reddit
I made the gamble like 2-3 weeks ago upgrading my 3080 to a 5080 and the rest of my rig seems like I might have made a really good decision lol
Itwasallyell0w@reddit
well right now 9070xt goes for MSRP (600€) and 5070ti for 750-800€, why would you even wait for a super version?
TemuPacemaker@reddit
Because 800€ is a lot of money for making games shiny
chattymcgee@reddit
They weren't rumored to be making a 5060 Super or a 5060 Ti Super were they? I thought it was just 5070 Super, 5070 Ti Super, and 5080 Super. A 5070 Super, especially with what prices are doing will not be less than $600. A 9070 XT is $600.
Exact_Library1144@reddit
Because silly people on Reddit might talk you into it with the ‘SUPER refresh’ is just around the corner stuff.
Especially with a 5070 Ti, VRAM is not going to be the reason you decide to upgrade that card down the line.
maxneuds@reddit
I like them and the influences who do this. Keeps the 9070XT affordable.
Itwasallyell0w@reddit
personally I wouldn't bother with that, when 50 series launched i got a 4070ti super used with 3 years warranty left for 600€😅
WarriorsQQ@reddit
Im waiting next version so these cards go even lower and then i snitch one 😅
TwoCylToilet@reddit
No idea why you're down voted. Buying used cards from people upgrading is an amazing way to upgrade. Just play some games a couple years later all of the patches and mods that fix issues, it's not a big deal.
WarriorsQQ@reddit
I totally agree!
ProfessionalB0ss@reddit
4080 super was cheaper and better than 4080
Jon_TWR@reddit
I agree. I bought a 4080 Super on sale with Indiana Jones and the Great Circle as a promo a couple months before the 5000 series came out.
I got lucky because the 5080 wasn't much better, and I paid a decent amount less than the retail price for the 5080.
It could've gone the other way, but I was using a 2080 Ti and planning an upgrade to 4K, so it was time to upgrade. I don't regret it at all, and I don't think I would've regretted it too much even if the 5080 had come out with 24 GB of VRAM, because a 2080 Ti on 4K in 2024 would've been rough...and I really enjoyed Indiana Jones and the Great Circle.
capybooya@reddit
Not just the Supers, several internet blowhards and rumormongers were sure there were going to be 3080 20GB cards right after initial release as well.
I think the 50 series supers make sense, its not a wild assumption as the cycles grow longer upwards of 24-28 months, but you should never count on anything like that. Also, people started recommending them like 1 year ahead of any likely release date, which makes no sense for someone wanting to play games now.
ProfessionalPrincipa@reddit
Actual 20GB 3080 cards did exist. Some AIB's even had some made.
joe1134206@reddit
Got comments recently telling me my gpu was already fast enough for a particular game... Like ok buddy, not your decision 😂
Numerous-Comb-9370@reddit
You should wait for the next thing tho. It’s pretty much guaranteed RTX 60 be have a node jump so unless you’re desperate one year is worth the wait.
LucAltaiR@reddit
RTX 60 is launching 15 months from now, not exactly around the corner.
mujhe-sona-hai@reddit
some of us have had our systems for 6 years and can wait another year for a good deal
Ramongsh@reddit
But you won't find a good deal at release. Prices will be crazy for the first 6 months after release, so those 15 months turns to 20+ months.
mujhe-sona-hai@reddit
I don't really mind. If I was younger I'd certainly care but at this age time just passes so fast.
LucAltaiR@reddit
That makes sense, it depends on the necessities. But if you need to upgrade soon, unless a new generation is coming in like 2 or 3 months, I'd rather go with what's current available.
Also, we don't really know a lot about RTX 60. While I agree that it's probably going to be a big performance jump, I'm less sure about the good deal part.
Maurhi@reddit
I know I'm old when people in this thread talk like 12 or 15 months is a very long time, i blink and that much time already happened!
In the end that decision is super personal, for some waiting an extra 6 to 12 months is not worth it, for others (like me) I've been "waiting" for so long i just don't even really care anymore (been "ready" to upgrade since at least 2020).
Numerous-Comb-9370@reddit
They usually launch in the fall. Just because Blackwell launched late doesn't mean next gen will too.
Kittelsen@reddit
By the time RTX 6XXX is around, we might have WW3, I bet the silicon price is gonna be real steep then 😅
Numerous-Comb-9370@reddit
Doesn't seem to be what most people with actual skin in the game are betting on. Stocks for IC design firms are going through the roof.
Kittelsen@reddit
I mean, if the world doesn't devolve into total war it's a good investment. And if the world goes belly up, does it really matter if your investment is dragged down with it?
hartigen@reddit
spoiler alert: It won't.
Numerous-Comb-9370@reddit
The problem is that most plausible limited war scenarios will still tank IC stocks, but very few of them will cause the world to go "belly up" because a WW2-style total war is basically impossible now with MAD.
Morningst4r@reddit
Normally, I'd agree. But Putin decided to have Russia chop its own balls off with a rusty spoon for seemingly no reason in Ukraine. I doubt China is as dumb, but who even knows these days.
Different_Lab_813@reddit
Touch grass, consider spending less time on reddit.
Exact_Library1144@reddit
Like clockwork
dantemp@reddit
waiting on a refresh that may or may not come is one thing but if you are closing in on 2 years since the last generation chances are that a new generation is going to release soon and it's going to give you better options. Pointing out to the chip shortage fiasco as some sort of rule you should rely on is stupid. Yeah there's always the chance that something goes horribly wrong and things don't pan out as expected, but the reasonable thing is to expect what usually happen. Usually we get some if sometimes small improvement on previous gen. Waiting on a refresh now is not a good idea but if someone buys 50 series gpu a year from now without knowing what the 60 series is going to be is screwing themselves.
Exact_Library1144@reddit
Yeah sure, waiting when a new gen is on the doorstep makes sense. People have been saying to wait for 50 Super since Q1 2025 though, which is silly.
GenZia@reddit
Even when a huge leap is around the corner, it doesn't necessarily mean you'll end up with a good product.
I remember when I bought my 7600GT and everyone was like, “You should’ve waited for the 8000 series.” Then I read the 8800GTX review on AnandTech, which made me feel like a complete idiot.
But then the 8600GT came around, and it was more or less on par with my 7600GT, the sole exception being DX10 support, which, as it turns out, was worthless... at least for 8600GT caliber cards.
Not the worst decision of my life.
...
Still, people who bought 8GB flavors of the 5060s really should’ve waited for the 12GB version, even if there’s a slight possibility that the 5060 12GB is vaporware.
It never really pays to buy obsolete hardware.
Cheap-Plane2796@reddit
This is why nvidia should have put 16 Gigs of vram in their low end gpus last year when vram was dirt dirt cheap.
Instead we get e waste, while amd turns their 16 GB gpus into ewaste by no longer supporting them
Octane_911x@reddit
Unless you want to buy the the 5090 and your worried about the connector melting or wait a few more weeks for wire pro 2 or the other one
vegetable__lasagne@reddit
Shortage? What other devices are using 3GB chips?
No-Actuator-6245@reddit
From what I am reading isn’t the problem they are repurposing manufacturing capacity for the memory used in AI GPUs, so the 3GB chips wouldn’t be made in the first place.
Vb_33@reddit
Amazing , maybe they'll cut all capacity that goes to PCs, phones and tablets so it all goes to AI.
KARMAAACS@reddit
Workstation/datacenter and some laptop dGPUs use them. AFAIK though, memory makers aren't really focused on making it as much as the 2GB chips, maybe that will change with AI becoming all the rage though.
Numerlor@reddit
non hbm workstation/datacenter gpus
TheNiebuhr@reddit
5090M
hackenclaw@reddit
They dont need to use all the 3GB GDDR7 on all SKU anyway.
The one that need is 5070 Super (192bit = 18GB), 5080 Super = 256bit = 24GB.
5060 super can be make into 16GB.
5050 is fine with 8GB.
5070Ti is fine with 16GB.
and finally laptop 5070m need 3GB chips.
Vb_33@reddit
There is only 3 super cards: 5070S, 5070TI S, and 5080S. All of them were to use 3GB GDDR7 memory modules.
Mysterious-Result608@reddit
also they can use the 2gb chip for 5080 to create a 20gb gpu with 320 bit bus
mduell@reddit
Only if the 5080 die has another 64 bits of memory bus hanging off the side...
iBoMbY@reddit
If they would make a 5060 Super with 32 GB, that would probably sell like hot cakes, for amateur AI stuff.
Logical-Database4510@reddit
Do they have to use 3GB chips for all or can they split it?
Like, I could see a 20GB 5070ti being a good product if they do something like 4 3GB chips and 4 2GB chips.
hackenclaw@reddit
NO you cant do split memory chips, we had that problem back in GTX660/ GTX970, it leads to performance issues.
Logical-Database4510@reddit
That was because of speed differences tho not capacity.
If both sets of chips are capped to 32Gb/s I don't see why you'd have performance issues.
dudemanguy301@reddit
Reads and writes are striped across all chips simultaneously, if you have say 8 chips, you split the data 8 ways and store some of it into each chip.
With a mixed capacity the smaller chios would get full first, and any additional data now only has a fraction of the total chip count to read and write. Let’s say 4 are high capacity and 4 are low capacity. You can now only read and write that extra data at half speed.
Se the discourse around the Xbox series X which has this exact mixed capacity problem.
petuman@reddit
As I understand there totally would be.
E.g. lets say you have two memory chips: 3GB and 2GB. All that stuff is abstracted from you (software engineer), you operate with single continuous memory space. You tell GPU to write 4GB worth of data:
1) memory controller splits 4GB equally: 2GB gets written to each chip, writing to both chips complete in same time. You now have 1GB free and all of it is on single chip. If you try to work that last 1GB it'll be at half the speed.
2) memory controller spits 4GB unevenly, proportional to chip sizes. 60% gets written to one chip and 40% to other. Now both chips have 0.5GB free, all seemingly good. But since both chips are same clock speed you're waiting for 50% more time for writes/reads to 3GB chip, while 2GB already completed and sits idle. So total effective bandwidth drops to 0.67 (I think?).
EndlessZone123@reddit
It will probably work but there is still a performance penalty. You can run 4+8GB of ram for example. However access speeds for a portion of the data if the memory is full is nearly half the speed.
Logical-Database4510@reddit
Interesting. Cool, thanks for the info
upbeatchief@reddit
Wasn't that because the vram chips speed varied drastically.
Like .5 gb was really slow and would stangle the card.
ComplexEntertainer13@reddit
Ye due to the disabled SM the communication to the memory connecting to that part of the die was severely limited.
deusXex@reddit
At this point I'd just wait for the 60 series.
surf_greatriver_v4@reddit
Then the 60 series will come and people will just wait for the 60 super
Dangerman1337@reddit
60 series will have enough VRAM if AI Bubble pops, comes into 2027 and RDNA 5 is very competitive.
BrightCandle@reddit
Its probably not coming until 2027, the gap between major releases has gotten quite a bit longer in recent years.
T1beriu@reddit
Considering how the AI hype will impact manufacturing at TMMC and the increase in demand for DRAM and VRAM, now I don't expect 60 series before mid 2027.
Dangerman1337@reddit
I'm not sure RTX 60 will be based on TSMC N3, since they're hiking that up to 25K a wafer I wouldn't be suprised if Nvidia uses Samsung's SF2X (got a fab in Texas btw) or Intel 18A-*P*
Dangerman1337@reddit
I think it may deep into 2027 for RTX 60 on Desktop.
mehupmost@reddit
2028
Jon_TWR@reddit
Psh, I'm going to wait for the 70 series!
I mean, I have a 4080 Super...so I'm certainly going to try and wait for the 70 series, lol.
AbrocomaRegular3529@reddit
Also, if you are in the market for 5070ti, there is no need to wait for 5070ti super. Yes it will have more VRAM, but 5070ti will not get price reduction.
Performance wise 5070ti and 5070ti super should be equal, or within 5% difference. There is already only 10-12% diference between 5070ti and 5080, so if NVIDIA makes 5070ti super anything higher than 5% faster, then nobody will buy 5080. So I expect 5070ti super to be identical to Ti but with more VRAM.
However, 5070 super should be a great product, it will fill the 30-35% performance difference gap between 5070 and 5070ti, and would be priced well for budget gamers.
5080 super will be AI GPU, so scalpers and bots will abuse it forst 3-5 months. So you will likely wait at least 6-9 months from now On to get your hands on it.
HobartTasmania@reddit
Yes, this exactly is what you need when gaming at 4K, with my 5070Ti when I play BF6 then I get around 100-120 FPS but I can only play on low settings because anything higher and it starts complaining about hitting the VRAM limit. Then I also started getting VRAM messages popping up on Flight Simulator.
Admittedly, if I did crank up the quality settings then the frame rate might drop too much even if I had extra VRAM but the 16GB limit cuts the performance down too much and well before the frame rate drops.
If you're playing on 1080p or perhaps even widescreen 1440p then you probably won't have any issue but 16GB on 4K doesn't really work.
Salty_Tonight8521@reddit
Hitting vram limit on BF6 is kinda crazy tbh, probably vram leaking issues on the game side.
AbrocomaRegular3529@reddit
Yeah, but in this case you are better of choosing 5080 super for 4K. Sure 5070ti can handle 4K gaming, but if you are cranking up settings, then It's not a wise buy. Even my 5070ti (overclocked 10% over factory btw, so basically 5080) can barely handle 1440p gaming when settings are cranked up such as path tracing.
With path tracing on CP77, I get 70fps without frame gen and DLSS set to balanced. In indianaj ones, same story, around 70fps with DLSS performance. I don't think you will get even 60fps on any of these games at 4K if you crank up settings.
And if you don't, then I would question the purchase. Trust me, these games do really look amazing when path tracing is on, and I would not sacrefice this feature, even though it is heavily taxing.
masterlafontaine@reddit
When the AI bubble bursts, and it will be soon, the prices will collapse. Until then, rtx 3060
KlasJanHuntelaar@reddit
Prices will increase further. Keep fooling yourself. There is no AI bubble. People think AI works the same way as crypto mining. Huge mistake
Stefen_007@reddit
It's more like the dot com bubble. One day people will realize that the huge return on investment isn't there on ai and it will crash. Will it fully go away? No just like online infrastructure didn't go away. But one day the market will realize that every person isnt willing to pay 30 bucks a month to generate cat pictures.
The crash will probably only come a few years down the line when the massive ai datacenters open that got envisioned today and dont turn a profit.
PastaPandaSimon@reddit
Even $30 bucks a month wouldnt be enough. OpenAI said they are losing money on every $20 Plus subscription, on just an LLM. Only the $200 pro subscription is profitable. Most investors are terrified of the scale of the AI bubble - how much investment went into something with so little return. They are all hoping for some unicorn monetization to appear that just doesn't exist today.
KlasJanHuntelaar@reddit
I agree with you. Expecting lower prices soon is being delusional. People said few months ago don’t build PC and instead wait for Super refresh claiming VRAM is not enough for 70, 70 Ti, and 80. Look what happened. No Super refresh (rumor), higher GDDR7 prices, insane RAM prices… Yeah another terrible choice by gamers once again
ButtPlugForPM@reddit
who even needs this
just cut the 5080 price by 99 usd and call it a win.
a 5080 plays any game at 1440p at max settings and most at 4k at north of 100fps
HisDivineOrder@reddit
Sounds like you need the 5070 Ti.
ButtPlugForPM@reddit
the entire stack is 100 bucks too much
a 9070xt pretty much maxes framerates..and is 950 bucks here..but the cheapest 5080 is 1600 bucks it's stupid...for 10 percent average jump
__some__guy@reddit
If that's true I'm simply sticking to my RTX 3090 and buying nothing.
I wanted a 24GB RTX 5080 Super to have better gaming/rendering performance and more VRAM for AI, but don't really need it urgently.
A210c@reddit
I have a 3080 and will keep it until I can buy a 6090. And only because I like the name and the "nice" jokes lol
Not_Daijoubu@reddit
Personally I'm going to wait for the next 5090FE drop, if I can't get it I'll settle for a regular 5080FE. The whole memory shortage things is not giving me a lot of confidence for waiting.
A210c@reddit
Nice FOMO bait. People will rush to buy the non-supers and then wear the clown mask when the supers release and Nvidia got your money.
AnechoidalChamber@reddit
And here I was waiting for that 5070 Ti with 24GB to replace my 3070.
Guess I'm gonna wait some more.
Mysterious-Result608@reddit
This feels like nvidia trying to spread false rumor to sell those unsold 5080s lol
FitCress7497@reddit (OP)
If you're not following the market, DDR5 and SSD price has gone up by 50% due to low supply
Mysterious-Result608@reddit
ever heard of a thing called "joke"? i know about the pricings
Such_Play_1524@reddit
I bought a 5090 and 5080 when they came out. I paid a bit more than msrp but I’ve gotten my money out of them with family fun.
king_of_the_potato_p@reddit
Don’t worry, when it gets back in stock they slap a 60 series label on it and charge an extra 20%.
PhantomWolf83@reddit
Fuck, I was waiting for the 5070 Ti Super for its potential 24GB VRAM, since I want to run LLMs locally and I was iffy about getting a used 3090.
If the 50 Supers are indeed cancelled, my two options are to get a used 3090 without warranty anyway and pray it doesn't die on me, or get a 5060 Ti/5070 Ti with only 16GB which isn't enough to run medium-sized models.
I could wait for RTX 60, but fuck that, I'd have to wait for another year. All of my options suck.
cosmin_c@reddit
I got a 3090 from a friend who previously tested and used it and then reassembled it improperly. It took me 6 months of trying several different thermal pastes (including Thermalright TFX which has the consistency of bubble gum, it would still be pumped out) and thermal pads. At the end of that adventure I was so drained I barely had energy to play the games I wanted, but it was worth it.
3090s are amazing cards, however, especially if you get one with triple PCIe power connectors, and those issues I mentioned are not the norm. If they ran well cooled with stable power they'll last a really long time. If you get one for a good price, I'd say go for it. However! IF you have the chance to get a used 4090, get one of those instead, because the performance difference is absolutely monumental and the 4090 also has ECC available so you can check the modules through a command prompt. Much easier to cool as well.
TBoner101@reddit
Did you try PTM7950, and/or thermal putty instead of pads?
cosmin_c@reddit
The endgame setup is PTM7950 on the core and Gelid Extreme thermopads and yields absolutely perfect temps with core/hotspot delta of 10-11*C. But it took a while to get there (when I started I didn't know about PTM either, so that complicated things).
TBoner101@reddit
So that's what you ended up with? Thermal Putty is the way to go, tho other pads exist that are both way better than Gelid Extreme and cheaper.
cosmin_c@reddit
Yes, that's the setup now. I am happy with the temps and I feel it is highly unlikely the performance would truly be way better because at the moment the temps are insanely good imho (think VRAM doesn't go over 65C, GPU hotspot under 75C, GPU temps around 65 max, this is with the board full throttle with RT on). And even if they do provide let's say a 5C temperature improvement it's still disproportionate effort to take everything apart again*.
PhantomWolf83@reddit
Most of the used 3090s in my region are going for around US$800, sometimes higher depending on the model. By comparison, used 4090s hover somewhere between US$2500 to US$2700 and I might as well go for the cheapest 5090 which isn't that much more. :(
cosmin_c@reddit
The prices are still absolutely insane :(
imaginary_num6er@reddit
Why are people surprised? There was no 3080Ti 20GB or 4080 Super 20GB either
Knjaz136@reddit
Well, I wont agree to replace to anything with less than 20gb VRAM Nvidia, or 24gb VRAM AMD, and I absolutely dont have a budget above 1-1.2k Eur.
So it's either Super refresh or gtfo for me.
constantlymat@reddit
That sucks and I say that as an owner of a 12GB RTX 5070 who got a deal that was too good to pass on.
The 18GB Super model would have been the go-to futureproof nvidia 1440p GPU gamers deserve.
Laj3ebRondila1003@reddit
Considering consoles are going to jump to 48GB RAM don't count your horses yet.
ohbabyitsme7@reddit
These shortages and price hikes are going to be extra brutal on consoles as there's way less wiggle room in terms of price. We might see another price increase on the current consoles.
If 48GB was actually on the cards then they'll either need to rethink that or add an extra $100-200 to the price. That's assuming prices don't keep going up. It's going to depend on how long the AI bubble is going to last.
That said, I don't think I've ever really seen a rumour about 48GB. It sounds like a bad idea in terms of how much that would cost even without the current price increase. All the rumours I've heard about the PS6 is that they're targetting affordability and having tons of RAM is the opposite of that. For consumers it's also fairly pointless imo.
Different_Lab_813@reddit
Is playstation subreddit with new console around the corner starting to make insane predictions? Like last time ps5 will have MRAM, HBM and other exotic technologies.
Logical-Database4510@reddit
Considering the price of memory these days I can't imagine all of that is going to be GDDR. If they're truely going to 48GBs next Gen my guess is they'll go back to split RAM where you'll see something like 24/24 DDR6/GDDR7 or something.
constantlymat@reddit
I remain confident the PS5 will remain the guiding star for game development for the remainder of the decade. I'm also skeptical a new $600 console can ship with that much memory.
That being said, imo the current environment is the best advertisement for throwing "futureproofing" over board and going for a 2year upgrade cycle where you sell your old GPU before its value tanks.
Upgrading from xx70 generation to generation if you time the market right and wait for the first gaming bundle sales during the summer (3-4 months after launch), you maybe pay $150 on average.
If gaming is your hobby that's imo a reasonable bi-yearly investment.
Numerous-Comb-9370@reddit
Kinda hard to say people deserve better GPUs when current GPUs with their current specs are selling well regardless.
MrPrevedmedved@reddit
I just gave up on this mythical refresh with affordable 24 gb cards and plan on buying used RTX3090 for work. I bought 2070 super a few month before 3000 series announcement and then chip shortage came. I felt so lucky and use it to this day. It feels like the same story again.
FreeRangeLumbago@reddit
Just buy a 6090 bro
GearM2@reddit
Seems like a lot of RTX 5xxx cards in stock now. I do believe the memory shortage is real but also this is a good rumor for Nvidia to sell existing products as people get scared they won't have any reasonable options soon.
TBoner101@reddit
Wouldn't be the least bit surprised. After all, artificial scarcity is Jensen's MO.
maximus91@reddit
This is why I am waiting for 6080!
Own_Nefariousness@reddit
Personally I don't get people waiting for Super refreshes, like if you waited that long, why not wait a bit longer for the next generation as stupid as that may sound. After all, a super can't compare to a new generation even if close in performance due to other features.
I say that I find it weird waiting for Super because so far there's been a little over a year difference between when a Super launches and next-gen launches and Nvidia hasn't been shy gating features between generations.
_OccamsChainsaw@reddit
It captures a FOMO market and extreme value seekers. Enthusiasts/prosumers already have an 80 or 90 class card that is satisfactory.
The super refresh really only serves to capture the ones who happen to build late in a series to avoid having them wait for a new gen, but that really only makes sense if the super is already out. I agree with you, waiting for a super refresh is silly. The 5090 will still exceed anything in the super series most likely, so again it appeals to those who seek extreme value. They want 5080 performance at 5070 prices. But the writing is on the wall that nvidia pricing here on out will not really be value based.
Own_Nefariousness@reddit
See. I'm something of a FOMO enjoyer (I hate it) myself, so while I do agree with some of your points, seeing as how Nvidia is now gating features to new generation, buying a card that is at most a year away from the next gen launch would give me way more FOMO and way more buyers remorse depending on what features will be exclusive on the next generation. But of course, those who really need a new PC and can't wait, if the Supers are out they're usually better value.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
Jensen owes me 16gb 5060 super
pesca_22@reddit
and with "shortage" we means that every slight production capability has been rerouted for AI
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
No need for quotes when memory has doubled in price
ApYukiple@reddit
Due to connector issues I had with the 4090, I gave up on the high power consumption of the 5090 and bought the 5080, but I remember being disappointed when talk soon started of the 24GB Super.
Frankly, with countries like China demanding VRAM and buying it up in bulk, meaning the market is quickly drying up, I don't think there's any need for refreshes like Super.
I think the problem of wanting to amp up the power even a little with things like DLSS and MFG have already been solved.
Plus, as someone who uses DLSS and MFG, these technologies are amazing and I'd be happier if they continued to improve than if they simply improved performance.
Firefrom@reddit
Always buy at release
Ragnaraz690@reddit
Heck, even IF they make those SKUs, AI bullshit making everything scarce so the cost of the cards will go up cause of that, so you'll get a minor bump in performance likely for a bump in price akin to the next tier of GPU.
Likely not worth it at all even if they do launch.
JustASimpleFollower@reddit
Does higher vram amounts generally come with increased power consumption?
I’m thinking if a 5080 super would be more susceptible to melting the power connector
JuanElMinero@reddit
Generally yes, but if the only variable is capacity, the difference is usually not that significant. I'd expect an increase in the low double digit W at worst, changes in total width and clocks of the individual modules are usually more impactful.
Often the newer modules are fabbed on an upgraded or refined process that offsets some of the power consumption.
doctorcapslock@reddit
perhaps they can find some of them 3.5 GB memory chips
Seansong82@reddit
Perfectly happy with my 5080 and 14700k for next 2 years.
Primary_Olive_5444@reddit
How would this cause piece of news on GDDR7 cause Nvidia GPU price to fluctuate?
Will China scalpers travel overseas now to snatch whatever GPUs that are available like the RTX Pro 6000 and RTX 5090?
ShadowRomeo@reddit
So glad that I already got a 4070 Ti that I already have ever since 2023, And this thing still provides me with a really good performance, and I don't experience any Vram bottlenecks on any games I play because I mainly play at 1440p with DLSS.
I can totally wait until RTX 60 series on 2027 That unless if I get a good deal that is too good to pass up from the RTX 50 Super refresh, like similarly I did when I had the RTX 3070 which I sold for the same price as what I paid for 4070 Ti launch price in 2022. But I highly doubt something similar to that would ever happen again though.
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