swww renamed to awww, due to the author's guilt from obliviously naming it "final solution"

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Defiantlybeingsalad@reddit

I don't understand the people in these comments, nobody's banning the word solution, nobody's forcing the author to rename their project.

Please read the damn linked article or get a life.

Now, hopefully I needn't explain to you what Final Solution is a reference for, but I sure as hell would have appreciated if someone could have pointed it out to me at the time. I simply thought the name sounded cool, and thus it was so was called during its initial lifetime.

[...] then changed the project's name to swww, dropping the "final". I wish I could say it is because I had realized what a grotesque mistake I had made, but what happened was that I thought "fina" (sic.) was too pretentious.

For a long time (3 years now), I've tried to simply ignore and forget about it. It was a dumb mistake, but project's name had changed. I already had users and did not want to inconvenience them with another name change. I did not want to publicly admit I made a fucking Holocaust reference of all things.

Extreme right-wing movements seem to be popping up everywhere, and gaining an alarming amount of support. I do not wish be associated with any of this in any way, shape or form.

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Pollinosis@reddit

The weird part is how insouciance makes you a Nazi somehow. Some of us just don't care about accidental allusions to catchphrases used a hundred years ago.

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ParadoxicalFrog@reddit

According to a lot of right-wingers, yes.

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Defiantlybeingsalad@reddit

Waayy too woke for some people I guess

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putocrata@reddit

Not being a nazi seems to trigger a lot of people nowadays, the author was on the money about the rise of the extreme right and to want to make it clear he's not sympathetic to it in any way.

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syklemil@reddit

That's also really the normal person reaction to discovering that you accidentally reused nazi phrasing or iconography: Oh fuck fuck fuck fuck I want nothing to do with those bastards what do I do

Renaming it and hoping it just goes away is also a pretty understandable initial solution. Actually writing a post about it takes guts, because it brings attention to it!

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_ahrs@reddit

Writing a post about it means it gets posted to r/Linux so I now know about this software I'd previously never heard of. That's a brilliant 3D chess move!

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ICantBelieveItsNotEC@reddit

Renaming it and hoping it just goes away is also a pretty understandable initial solution. Actually writing a post about it takes guts, because it brings attention to it!

So if renaming it is an understandable initial solution, would you say that writing a post about it is the final solution?

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FengLengshun@reddit

It is the final answer, please keep up with the conversation.

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T8ert0t@reddit

Don't get people started on master drive and slave drive.

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MatheusWillder@reddit

Now, hopefully I needn't explain to you what Final Solution is a reference for, but I sure as hell would have appreciated if someone could have pointed it out to me at the time.

Just to add, the author of the project is Brazilian, but the project was named in English. They won't read/learn about Nazi in English, so it's a bit difficult to make the connection that the project's name may sound as a Nazi reference in English.

I'm also Brazilian, and I was having trouble understanding why it might sound like that until I read the post.

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astrobe@reddit

Actually, just recently, I read "final solution" in some internal software documentation, even though the French name, "solution finale" is pretty much the same, not to mention that we were a bit involved in this.

Personally, those 2 words together always "ring a bell", but as the quote by GP suggests, I think that the memory of the WWII is slowly eroding. The people who lived it are now rare, and their children (the famous "boomers") are fewer and fewer, so less and less people rise an eyebrow when you say those things that reminds of those awful events; and this is one of those "eyebrow" moments.

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NW3T@reddit

to be fair, it seems a good chunk of the boomers in america actually support nazism - so the well has been poisoned for a while, there's been an organized effort to erase the past and reimplement the same policies.

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henry_tennenbaum@reddit

Hey hey, not just he Boomers in America! We got plenty like that right here in Germany and the rest of Europe as well!

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sublime_369@reddit

Thanks for this important point. Unfortunately many of the people jumping on this will ignore it. They seek only to demonise, and the fact that the guy apologised is weaponised to ""prove"" he is guilty.

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skoove-@reddit

literally no one is demonizing him, most people are just saying that is is probably for the best, its is you and 2 other people that have gotten really worked up about this over nothing

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MatheusWillder@reddit

Some downvoted comments and some now deleted comments pointed it out that way, you can still find them if you scroll down here in the comments.

So the comment above just reinforced what the project author meant, and I commented that it doesn't seem like an obvious reference due to the language differences (Portuguese/English), that's all.

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littlebobbytables9@reddit

you can still find them if you scroll down here in the comments.

I can't find a single one. Even the deleted comments, judging by the replies to them.

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MatheusWillder@reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1oqq2jd/swww_renamed_to_awww_due_to_the_authors_guilt/nnkmp6g/

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1oqq2jd/swww_renamed_to_awww_due_to_the_authors_guilt/nnkoseb/

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1oqq2jd/swww_renamed_to_awww_due_to_the_authors_guilt/nnkw2a9/

There are others if you look more, but again, I have no problem with that. I was just pointing out a fact about the language differences.

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littlebobbytables9@reddit

to quote directly from them "The author of the article should not be put at fault. They made a good decision changing the name, I don't think any blame should be put on him since he didn't seem to know."

and your last one is almost certainly saying it's dumb they felt they had to change the name, so the exact opposite.

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MatheusWillder@reddit

Yes, but when they said that, it was almost an hour after they first comment, when this comment here at the top had already been made, and after I replied to it commenting on language differences.

But you can interpret it however you prefer, if that's what you want.

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Defiantlybeingsalad@reddit

The person in the first and second examples also said "I don't think any blame should be put on him since he didn't seem to know.", so I don't think that's a case of it. And the third one seems to be someone disagreeing with the name change for whatever reason.

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SechsComic73130@reddit

What you're describing thee is the "Twitter" person

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Defiantlybeingsalad@reddit

Nobody's demonizing him or saying he's guilty of anything, the opposite in fact?

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Beneficial-Owl-4430@reddit

for sure master/slave terminology still goes strong. and it’ll continually be jarring as fuck hearing a old white dude use it. and is say that as a white person.

but no one is forcing the change, but i appreciate those that move to alternatives that don’t invoke images of subjugation of humans when im trying to learn about a microprocessor

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gihutgishuiruv@reddit

I don’t understand the people in these comments

This sub has always had small and very vocal group of people that cry “woke” at even the slightest amount of introspection into problematic behaviour.

It’s been around for at least as long as I’ve been on this sub (12+ years - I remember Matthew J Garrett being bullied on here for being an “SJW”).

I think FOSS culture attracts a certain type of contrarian personality that’s predisposed to this sort of thing, but I’m no psychologist so YMMV

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syklemil@reddit

Which is also always kinda weird given that the Linux community, and the FOSS community in general, has always been interested in ideas like diversity, equity and inclusion when it comes to stuff like the software we use. We don't want to be dismissed as some fringe minority and ignored, and we enjoy it when there are signs that Linux becomes more popular, or gets better support from companies like Steam or Nvidia. There are huge rows when pragmatic engineering comes into conflict with diversity, with Gnome's recent drop of X11 and dependency on systemd as trivial examples.

Naïvely one might think that the scales were kind of different when we're talking human rights and decency, as opposed to talking about how a login system is implemented.

The old stereotype from slashdot was more that the users were either hard-core libertarians or communists; that stereotype probably would wind up somewhat different if it were to be rephrased for the year 2025.

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Pugs-r-cool@reddit

The old stereotype from slashdot was more that the users were either hard-core libertarians or communists; that stereotype probably would wind up somewhat different if it were to be rephrased for the year 2025.

10% of the libertarians became communists, the rest became far-right / nazis. The communists stayed as communists.

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TheRealLazloFalconi@reddit

Really it's just reddit in general.

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DerekB52@reddit

I think Linux is just a subset of the population in general. Some people are sane, some are far right lunatics, just like the general population.

As a whole I think Linux attracts more of the "radically" inclusive population of people than the libertarian/anti-woke crowd. That latter group is incredibly loud and annoying, but i think they are also incredibly tiny

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syklemil@reddit

I think Linux is just a subset of the population in general.

As far as Linux on the desktop goes, we're an incredibly self-selected group, and a very small group compared to the bigger desktop OS-es. That opens us up to all sorts of statistical biases.

Linux server users are also pretty diverse, thanks to it being the default there, but likely has the same sorts of skews as the developer population.

Android users are anybody.

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Pugs-r-cool@reddit

Yeah I don't see the big deal, this isn't any different from renaming "master/slave" to "parent/child".

If you have an option for a name that doesn't reference the Nazis or slave owners, that option is the better option.

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Coffee_Ops@reddit

The author's free to do what they like, but other people are allowed to hold the opinion that this is unnecessary.

They can think that any usage of the word solution is a reference to the Holocaust; I can think that that's a bit absurd, and that no unreasonable would call them a Nazi supporter.

Dog whistles are one thing, honestly, the post reads a bit like they're worried they won't pass some politically correct purity test. Was there ever any real concern that someone might think they supported the Holocaust?

If someone's going for a final exam on the solutions architect certification, is there some coded reference to the Holocaust in there? Or can everybody just chill out for a bit?

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Jegahan@reddit

They can think that any usage of the word solution is a reference to the Holocaus

Nobody is saying that. The dev said that the word solution reminded him of the old naming with the words "final solution" which is in a holocaust reference. So rather than being constantly reminded of a clumsy mistake and annoyed by the name of their project, they decided to choose a new name they actually liked.

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Dramatic_Mastodon_93@reddit

wait what i just thought they renamed it to awww to sound cute

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sublime_369@reddit

The left wing REGULARLY hurl the word Nazi as a slur - even at Jews. But that's not a problem? The dual standards here stink.

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dezmd@reddit

No thank you, wrong sub for politics bullshit.

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Defiantlybeingsalad@reddit

You are more than off topic. What are you even talking about?

As said previously, I recommend getting a life :)

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sublime_369@reddit

Perfectly on topic, take your own advice.

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teppic1@reddit

Sums it up. The author is very uncomfortable with the original name, and doesn't like the current one that was based on it.

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recaffeinated@reddit

We all make mistakes. Its better to own them. Best of luck to him and the project.

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lirannl@reddit

Yeah I don't get why OP had to word it like that. Guilt would imply he was intentionally making a Nazi reference

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recaffeinated@reddit

I think a normal human being would feel bad if they accidentally named their thing after a famous genocide.

Would you not? You wouldn't be horrified that people thought you supported that genocide?

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Coffee_Ops@reddit

If I happen to use the phrase final solution as part of a longer sentence in a non-nazi context in everyday life, talking about having finally solved a problem that had plagued our it systems...

It's not a Nazi reference. It's actually somewhat unhinged to suggest that any use of those two words is a Nazi reference. References involve context, otherwise, everything would be a reference to something at all times and that frankly sounds exhausting.

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lirannl@reddit

Final Solution is a Nazi reference, and using that in the name of useful software normalises Nazi terminology.

My issue is with the term "guilt" - the dev didn't know they were normalising Nazi terminology, because they're not familiar with the English translations of Nazi terms.

The dev isn't guilty, nor should they feel guilty. The dev made a mistake and should have (and did!) correct that mistake as soon as they were made aware. I'd expect the dev to feel embarrassed for making that mistake. Not guilty.

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Coffee_Ops@reddit

Just a reminder that the Nazis spoke Deutsche, and did not actually use the phrase "final solution". The idea that the localized phrase in every language is now a reference to the holocaust... is unhinged.

Just like insisting that any reference to a swastika in any context is a nazi reference, is also unhinged.

Context matters, more than the words or symbols.

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lirannl@reddit

What matters to me when it comes to English is what English-speaking Neo-Nazis interpret. They like the English term "Final Solution", therefore that term being used in non-neo-Nazi can empower them.

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AlveolarThrill@reddit

You equating the international condemnation and rightful shunning of Israel's intensified genocide since 7/10 with "left-wing antisemitism" is extremely disingenuous.

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Jegahan@reddit

You equating the international condemnation and rightful shunning of Israel's intensified genocide since 7/10 with "left-wing antisemitism" is extremely disingenuous.

At least in the post you're replying to, they didn't equate anything. Several things can be true at the same time.

It is true that there has been a rise in antisemitism on both the left and the right, with some people on the left using the horrible behaviour of the Israeli Government as an excuse to spout some really hateful and conspiratorial stuff.

You're also right that some people are using the word "antisemitism" to dismiss any valid criticism of Israel. But nothing in the post does this (at least not currently).

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Coffee_Ops@reddit

Its also true that Nazi-phobia was literally the rallying cry by Russia in its invasion of Ukraine. Being hyper-aware of this stuff can be even more harmful than being ignorant of it.

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AlveolarThrill@reddit

Fair enough, but a quick search for "Israel" in their account shows they're Israeli (see here, here, here or here), so the likelihood of them implicitly equating it is far from zero.

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lirannl@reddit

Wow, interesting choices for your proof that I am Israeli.

A comment where I try to be compassionate towards a Palestinian person, a post I made as a teenager, outing me as transgender (to be fair I'm not actively hiding it, also this is /r/linux so it's not really a big deal here), and a post of me immediately after I did what you likely want to force all Israelis to do - leave the place they were born and raised in and go somewhere foreign to them (yeah that post doesn't specify that I was on a one-way flight).

Why do you think it's okay to judge people based on where they happen to have been born and raised? Do you do that with any other place? Do you assume anyone in the United States supports Donald Trump? Do you assume anyone in the UK supports JKR? Do you assume the residents of Redmon Washington hate Linux desktop and want to force us all to use Windows?

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AlveolarThrill@reddit

Simply linked the first few search results that had "Israel" or "Israeli" in the title. Didn't even open the posts.

As for the second paragraph, refer to my earlier response. Citizens are accountable for the actions of their government.

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lirannl@reddit

As for the last paragraph, refer to my earlier response. Citizens are accountable for the actions of their government

I guess Sudanese citizens are guilty of genocide, until they manage to obtain another citizenship, so that they can renounce their Sudanese citizenship (or would you expect them to become stateless refugees? How do you convince the Sudanese government to authorise the renouncement of citizenship?). I guess American citizens are all guilty of war crimes, and are morally obligated to somehow get the money to renounce their American citizenship (it costs money, apparently), though they're all morally obligated to obtain another citizenship first.

Why are you using a kernel made by a war criminal, and someone who's morally culpable for kidnapping Latinos and putting them into mass detainment? Linus Torvalds is an American citizen.

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CrunchyGremlin@reddit

America is a democracy. We are collectively ultimately responsible for our government. Which is why voter manipulation and fraud is so "evil"
But it's also something we can't easily punish as it too can be easily abused.
I think that's why it's important that the people recognize dog whistle type statements to actively resist supporting ideas that they otherwise would feel are abhorrent.

Else they are supporting the idea whether they intend to or not.

In a healthy state this wouldn't be the case. But the US is not in a healthy state.
Personally I wouldn't want to jokingly support situations that could lead to the government sanctioned murder of people.

The people of Israel have been heavily influenced to hate the people of Gaza. Propaganda is a real thing. And it would not be hard to demonize people that have actively tried to hurt me.

And that's why it's so dangerous. None of us can be apathetic to doing harm to others. Even if it appears justified. It's just too easy for others to manipulate.

Especially when we have the richest people in the world in control of our media.

Sorry for my rant but I think it's important. I personally commend the dev for taking a stand. If he feels guilty about all the better. Should he? I didn't think so. Is it better he did? I think in our current state of world affairs I think it's important

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Jegahan@reddit

Being from a country doesn't not mean you agree with what your government is doing.

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AlveolarThrill@reddit

I'm basing my evaluation on my previous interactions with Israelis who unpromptedly bring up 7/10 as a tipping point for increased antisemitism, without mention of the actions of Israel as the actual reason for the increase. As a Jew in Europe, that's a bit of a red flag for me, as the kids might say.

It is an assumption, but most social interactions involve those, very few don't.

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lirannl@reddit

The surge in antisemitism started on 7/10. Israel didn't do anything to Gaza until 8/10, so even if you think Israel should've dissolved its borders in response to terrorists entering the country (I don't even use the word "invading" because you won't agree with that) and raping and murdering as many Jews as they possibly could given their limited ammunition, that still doesn't explain the celebrations of the Nova massacre prior to any Israeli response.

That's why I didn't mention Israel as the cause for that surge. Yes its war crimes in Gaza are exacerbating the rise in antisemitism, that doesn't make it the cause.

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Jegahan@reddit

Well... Given their comment to your response, you were wrong. Maybe profiling people based on where they are from isn't good?

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lirannl@reddit

I LOVE how you finding out I'm Israeli made you assume that.

Do you also assume all Palestinians want to rape and murder Jews, because Hamas, the government of Gaza, does?

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lirannl@reddit

Thank you, that's exactly what I mean.

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lirannl@reddit

You equating the international condemnation and rightful shunning of Israel's intensified genocide since 7/10 with "left-wing antisemitism"

That's not what I mean by left wing antisemitism. There's legitimate criticism of Israel, and condemnation of its reckless mass bombardment of Gaza, causing mass sufferring and death among the people of Gaza, and there's "Zionism is pure evil, AIPAC controls the US government behind the scenes" and commenting "child murderer" or "genocider" on the social media posts of random Jews doing stuff that's unrelated to Israel or Palestine (like video games, entertainment, and open source software).

If you think the latter things aren't happening then you're not paying attention and I wish I could afford to be as naive as you, and think that all leftists manage to not cross the line.

Israelis do not stand for us

Why did you suddenly switch from "Israel" to "Israelis" (Israel does not stand for me either)? Should I be held accountable to the war crimes the Israeli government does against my will, because I happened to have been born and raised there? Am I suddenly a state, rather than a person?

There's a reason why many of us in the diaspora reject the State of Israel entirely.

Okay, I still disagree with you (I can understand why you think that though), do you also reject us Israelis as human beings? And before you criticise me for living there, I'm in the diaspora. I left the place I was born and raised in and went to a country that was foreign to me. As soon as I could. It was the hardest thing I ever did (but I don't regret it). It would be evil to force anyone to go through it (yes that also means the Nakba was evil).

Be thankful you don't have any ties to Israel and you're not directly affected by what happens to the people there (I left, but that doesn't mean everyone I know there has done the same).

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AlveolarThrill@reddit

I do think that citizens should be held accountable for the actions of their government, yes, that's one of the main driving forces of society. Hence also why I switch between Israel and Israelis, one is beholden to the other and vice versa. That of course applies to a lesser extent to those who leave their country by choice, but bearing a country's citizenship still gives one a responsibility over it, and if they fail to prevent those actions (even if that's possible only on a collective level), or completely sever ties to said country, those citizens are culpable. You're free to disagree, of course, but such is my worldview.

I haven't seen any such attacks against Jewish creators online; not denying that it happens, it's just not something I've seen. I'm also not from the US, I'm in Europe. My impression of the rhetoric about AIPAC controlling the US government etc. being just a few nutjobs here and there might be an underestimate, but that sort of thing simply isn't happening where I live. I haven't noticed any particular rise from the left, antisemites just say different things now; the lyrics have changed, but the melody is still the same.

My country, Czechia, continues its weapons trade with Israel, and our government is one of the few that keeps supporting Israel in the UN. That's something I'm culpable for as well. While I may not be directly affected, you can see that under my worldview, that'd have an impact. I apologise for my knee-jerk reaction, this is quite an emotionally charged topic for myself.

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lirannl@reddit

That's something I'm culpable for as well, and it's why I'm planning to leave too

Where exactly will you leave to?

Is it only aiding Israeli war crimes that you think makes people morally culpable if they don't emigrate and renounce their citizenship?

If not, which country exactly do you plan on emigrating to, which isn't aiding some war crimes? San Marino? If yes, what is it about Israeli war crimes that makes you and I culpable, as Czech/Israeli/Australian citizens?

Will you leave Czechia and never come back to visit? If you ever do visit, do you think your future lack of Czech citizenship will suddenly make you no longer culpable?

What exactly do you think me renouncing my Israeli citizenship would achieve, besides one less vote against Bibi Netanyahu, if I ever happen to visit there during election day (Israel doesn't allow overseas votes, so despite being a citizen, I can't vote unless I go there, and since I'm trans, flying to Israel costs nearly double because I have to avoid stopping in Dubai)?

And before you go "well if enough Israelis like you renounced their citizenship, Israel might reconsider its actions" - how much do you know about the internal motivations of the current Israeli government? Also, you want the country to not exist at all, so you don't get to make that argument. Also, I'm not most Israeli citizens. Most Israeli citizens do not have any other citizenship, and would need to get another one (how? Do you think legal naturalisation is easy?)

What about the many Israelis who don't have enticing prospects that would make other countries want to give them citizenship? Do you really think a wave of several millions of Israeli Jews flooding mostly-Europe (as stateless refugees, if Israel is dissolved like you wish) is going to end well?

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fixermark@reddit

Hey, professional advice guy here offering advice as a software professional:

If you happen to use the phrase "final solution" in a non-Nazi context in a professional setting... Yeah, it's gonna make your coworkers wonder whether you did it on purpose.

I'd recommend just not doing that. Much easier to focus on solving the problems everyone wants to solve if they don't ever have to wonder if their coworker is a closet Nazi.

It's a mistake you can make if you don't know (awww's author didn't know), but you know, so... Y'know, don't.

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Coffee_Ops@reddit

While I appreciate my grandfather's work in helping to liberate Europe... I can't say that the Holocaust occupies enough mental space for that to be a thing I'm actively watching out for.

If that's your first thought if I utter the phrase in some random context, you may be too deeply invested in weird social networks that are fixated on dog whistles.

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westerschelle@reddit

If you did this in Germany everyone would assume you did it on purpose. There are few phrases that are avoided as much as this one.

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dkopgerpgdolfg@reddit

Germany

... and here I am, not understanding what's the problem is until I read the comments, and then thinking these US internet people are weird.

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spottiesvirus@reddit

Wait until they find out Lager just means warehouse/storehouse and it's a commonly used word

And that a train conductor is normally referred as Zugführer

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dkopgerpgdolfg@reddit

... or guide, instruct, etc.etc.

Yes

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westerschelle@reddit

Even the english term is incredibly taboo.

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syklemil@reddit

References involve context, otherwise, everything would be a reference to something at all times and that frankly sounds exhausting.

Welcome to human language! It's absolutely filled with shibboleths and other IYKYK stuff; some of it is unfortunately not benign; those cases tend to be called dogwhistles. And what we're discussing here is a trivially constructed phrase in any language, so we wind up with a bit of linguistic analysis:

Entirely fine: Using the phrase "final solution" in some larger context where you've already used phrases like "X solution" or "final Y".
Ranging from clumsy through gauche/edgelordy to actual dogwhistle: Naming something "final solution"
Get fucked: Naming something Die Endlösung

As far as the remaining name "solution" goes, just think of it as OP discovering they'd accidentally dropped their toothbrush in the toilet and deciding they want a new one.

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Jegahan@reddit

Nobody is accusing anyone. The dev just didn't like the name because it reminded them of the very, very clumsy original name choice. So he wanted to change it.

I feel like Devault's advice to "choose a name he love, rather than one he won't be ashamed of" is actually a really good one, particularly when it comes to a project you want to be passionate about.

Also, I think the new name is better, both in short and long form.

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ang-p@reddit

Yeah - even I feel bad for him simply reading that... Even though you might be totally oblivious to it at the time, sometimes future knowledge changes things, and irrespective of any actual link or association, they cannot unsee the connection they have created in their mind

All those kids who were upset that they never made it onto "Jim fixed it for me" were suddenly OK with it when the news about him broke, and some that did and were not subject to his attention were undoubtedly thinking "Sheesh - I was lucky", and viewing the event slightly differently, despite previously having an untainted, happy memory of the time.

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lirannl@reddit

My point is the use of the word "guilt", as opposed to "due to the author obliviously naming it Final Solution".

It's obvious that unless he's a nazi, he'd feel bad for making that mistake, but not necessarily guilty.

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LousyMeatStew@reddit

My point is the use of the word "guilt", as opposed to "due to the author obliviously naming it Final Solution".

If you read the author's entire statement, he talks about feeling "regret", that it's been "haunting [him]" and that even the possibility of someone labeling him a Nazi has "kept [him] up a few nights".

While the author doesn't explicitly use the word "guilt", I think it's still an appropriate summation of how he feels because it's not just about the initial naming choice but the emotional consequence he explicitly talks about at length in his blog post.

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lirannl@reddit

I guess that's a fair assessment of the post.

I may have been optimistic when reading it, and didn't want to believe someone was going through so much guilt for an honest mistake. It's sad to think someone who clearly means well and cares, beat themselves up over it.

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syklemil@reddit

This is getting into the emotional weeds though. I think some of us more operate with a mental framework in which guilt and shame are respectively internal and external precursors to embarrassment, rather than parallels to it.

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curien@reddit

While there's certainly overlap, when culpability is being explicitly rejected, only shame is ever used: "I'm ashamed of you" but never "I feel guilty of you".

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Manbeardo@reddit

Guilt has multiple meanings. The title is referencing the emotion, not the legal concept.

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lirannl@reddit

Nowhere in the post has the dev expressed guilt, which would make sense, because they had no idea.

The dev expressed shame, which is a more severe form of the embarrassment I expect them to feel.

Either way, I have a lot of respect for the dev (plus I may use awww if I find a good animation I want as my wallpaper) for doing the right thing.

If the dev ends up reading this: you did the right thing. Good job, and best of luck with awww! I hope to get a chance to use it.

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RabbitttElk@reddit

Yes, I definitely would be.

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cavedildo@reddit

Maybe thats why they used the word obliviously and not obviously.

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dashingThroughSnow12@reddit

But they then claim it was a reference. Maybe English is not their first language? Just seems odd phrasing all around on whether this was intentional or not.

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onlysubscribedtocats@reddit

something can be an unintentional reference.

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CheckM4ted@reddit

they're brazilian

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Impressive_Change593@reddit

Wat? The original name had a connection to the Nazis?

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Yupsec@reddit

Yeah, can't use the word 'solution' anymore.

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Jegahan@reddit

Nobody said that. Read the damn article.

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Yupsec@reddit

I did. I especially loved the part where a simple name caused this great developer to experience sleepless nights because they feared someone would see the git history and call them a Nazi.

I see maturity when they dropped "final" from the name at an early point, referencing how pretentious it sounded. I see how stupid the Internet has gotten when someone experiences "genuine distress" over a single word. Not BECAUSE of the word but "The idea someone could look at the git history and call me a nazi..".

The name was not a reference to the Holocaust and it's dumb that someone so talented had to waste bandwidth on this non-issue.

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higgsfielddecay@reddit

Damn folks didn't have to down vote you. The answer is deeper down in the post and then only referenced via link. A simple linking to the Wikipedia page like others did would have been nice. I'd never heard the term before either and I tend to ingest a lot of information about WW2.

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riverrats2000@reddit

the original name was fswww (the Final Solution to your Wayland Wallpaper Woes), which was changed to swww because they felt "final" was too as something better would likely come along. And they're now changing it to awww (an Answer to your Wayland Wallpaper Woes) as they felt swww was still too connected to the original of fswww

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ianff@reddit

Did you not read the post?

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Defiantlybeingsalad@reddit

An unintentional one to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution

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Familiar-Art-6233@reddit

You can feel guilty over an accident

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lirannl@reddit

Can - yes. Should - not necessarily (and not in this case). Hopefully they don't.

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Sarenord@reddit

I mean I used to use the phrase “grammar nazi” frequently 10 years ago, I’d imagine it’s a similar kind of feeling

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spin81@reddit

Maybe OP meant a feeling of guilt?

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sublime_369@reddit

Because they like to demonise people. Meanwhile the extreme left hurls the word 'Nazi' as a slur, even towards Jewish people.

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lirannl@reddit

What's far left antisemitism got to do with this?

Yeah it does seem like they're being demonised, and malice is being ascribed.

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skoove-@reddit

this is both off topic and untrue, good job!

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recaffeinated@reddit

Oh look, a wild dog whistle appears!

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adenosine-5@reddit

Perhaps its a cultural thing, but I don't see anything particularly unacceptable about the original name - just a bit of a dark humor.

Its seems strange to me that people would feel so strong about it and even guilty - its a rather ancient history.

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tripanossoma_cruzes@reddit

It is not that ancient and there is nazi people out there.

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adenosine-5@reddit

All the more reason to make fun of them IMO. Nazi should be ridiculed and should be made fun of, instead of being feared.

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recaffeinated@reddit

Ancient history? My grandfather fought the Nazis. He was even in a POW camp for a while.

Opposing fascism is the most relvant political fact of today. all around us you can see the fascists climbing out of their holes, ready to genocide the next group they take a disliking to. Not normalising their language is a pretty sensible move.

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adenosine-5@reddit

Its not about normalizing their language as much as making fun of it.

It turns something bad into something laughable and ridiculous, so no one can mean it seriously ever again.

At least that is my understandibg of it, but I understand that this kind of dark humor is probably not seem the same way in other cultures.

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sublime_369@reddit

I doubt he feels guilty. The naming clearly has nothing to do with the holocaust and any sane adult is capable of understanding that. Malicious virtue signallers likely started attacking him and he was forced to make this change to stop them sabotaging his project.

Even if OP is twelve years old, time to grow up.

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SanityInAnarchy@reddit

You think he was harassed to the point of lying about it... in detail... on the blog post where he explained how he felt guilty?

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NotFromSkane@reddit

Well, he wrote a post making it very clear that he felt ashamed and doesn't understand the difference between shame and guilt. Look at the meaning, not the words.

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SanityInAnarchy@reddit

...doesn't understand the difference between shame and guilt...

A distinction without a difference.

Look at the meaning, not the words.

Don't believe your lying eyes, you mean?

Again, nowhere in his post did he claim anyone else had attacked him. He expresses fear that people would find out, which would be a complete lie if people had already found out and started harassing him. You can't get to that conspiracy theory from the words he wrote. You'd have to start with the conclusion you want to draw and work backwards.

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NotFromSkane@reddit

I am a different person to the one you originally replied to.

Shame and guilt are very much different things, I just think the distinction matters.

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lllyyyynnn@reddit

it was literally named "final solution"

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zed_three@reddit

Here you are, vice signalling

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determineduncertain@reddit

You have no evidence to believe that they don’t feel guilty. What is clear though is the language they accidentally chose, their recognition of its meaning, and their willingness to change in light of it.

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fireflash38@reddit

Here you are again just straight up fabricating shit.

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dashingThroughSnow12@reddit

I wonder if jq ever has these thoughts.

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TheTwelveYearOld@reddit (OP)

wait what's wrong with the name jq?

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dashingThroughSnow12@reddit

People often use the acronym “jq” to refer to The Jewish Question. The Jewish Question was a topic of conversation/writing in the 19th and 20th century on whether Jews in Europe should be assimilated or assassinated.

Similar to how a question in math has a solution, the “Final Solution” (Holocaust) that that Nazis came up with was their answer to The “Jewish Question”

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SilentPipe@reddit

I’m curious why someone’s mind would go to that particular association. Programming often reuses short acronyms, sometimes even with overlapping meanings in the same field. I’m not saying you’re wrong, as I might just not be in the communities where that meaning is common, but is “jq” actually used to mean “Jewish question” even within this century? That seems like an antiquated association.

I tend to be more skeptical of people who have detailed knowledge of Nazi terminology and try to apply it to unrelated or meaningless data, for example, seeing a Nazi link in two letters like “jq.”

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dashingThroughSnow12@reddit

but is “jq” actually used to mean “Jewish question” even within this century? That seems like an antiquated association.

The jq acronym for the “Jewish Question” was coined in the 21st century.

I tend to be more skeptical of people who have detailed knowledge of Nazi terminology and try to apply it to unrelated or meaningless data, for example, seeing a Nazi link in two letters like “jq.”

It isn’t “detailed knowledge”. If you aren’t aware that Nazis and Communists dislike Jews, that’s a major part of world history that you don’t know. There has been a very large increase of Neo-Nazis and communists in the last quarter century, including their antisemitism being put more in the public eye.

Also, I am not applying it to unrelated data. The post is about how swww. They initially didn’t think of the Nazi’s using a similar term because of all the reasons you list. JQ likewise is a consonant acronym. And I’m sure they likewise didn’t make a connection. My comment was simply pondering if they ever had similar thoughts as swww’s maintained.

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SweetBabyAlaska@reddit

I think swww was perfectly fine and jq is perfectly fine, I also don't care about the name change (other than that now I have to change a couple scripts lmao) and I think intention is what really matters...

but I don't think you understand how gigantic the resurgence of neo-Nazi's are currently, and what a lot of people are subjected to. I never wanted to know any of this stuff but its relevant when white supremacists are snatching American citizens off the streets and openly calling for violence against specific marginalized groups, to put it mildly. I think a lot of people are sheltered from the context in which we currently live in.

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SilentPipe@reddit

I understand that if someone was naming a project “Final Solution,” they might reconsider that choice, perhaps because they came across the term in a documentary or elsewhere. That’s reasonable. Personally, I wouldn’t have changed it, but I also wouldn’t have used “Final Solution” in the first place, even without the Nazi association, because it just doesn’t sound appealing to me. Still, I recognize that reconsidering the name is understandable.

Drawing a connection between “JQ” and Nazi ideology, however, stretches credibility. While it could be interpreted as an extremely subtle dog whistle, I am a firm believer in Occam’s razor, and to me, such an interpretation seems absurd at best.

I would like to point out that I am not American, so this is not something I experience firsthand. That said, I agree that their actions, regardless of the terminology or ideological beliefs attributed to them, are damaging both to themselves and to the world at large. I do not want this to be misinterpreted as suggesting that I believe America’s actions are reasonable, justified, or healthy in any way.

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SweetBabyAlaska@reddit

for sure, I agree and I think this is a reasonable take. I just wanted to offer some insight on why people are so on edge.

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SilentPipe@reddit

Yep. I don’t know of neo-Nazi is the right term for them and I am sure historians in the far future will determine that, but I do understand the anger and I would be livid if I had trump as my leader even without the neo-Nazi/supremacy/fascist like bullshit. His first term was embarrassing.

I also can see why Americans have fallen into that political trap as I can imagine a lot of them don’t get the care or education that they need. As an outsider I can only get annoyed and feel pity for them, it seems like it could have been easily prevented if people did their jobs right in the first place.

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TheTwelveYearOld@reddit (OP)

The name jq is fine, if you think its a reference to the jewish question then you're fried.

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dashingThroughSnow12@reddit

I never said I did nor implied. In context, I’m drawing a parallel where neither swww’s nor jq’s authors thought of it.

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FunAware5871@reddit

Who even cares?

Why is it news? Why is it posted here?

Why are people even discussing if he was right in doing that? Why are some even being glad it happened?

This has no place in here.

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dimmor@reddit

The last two questions -- you should take some time and try to answer those for yourself.

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FunAware5871@reddit

There is, in no conceivable way, any possible link to nazism or any other hateful ideology in its former title.

There was nothing even remotely hateful or offensive.

There is literally NOTHING to talk about ffs.

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dimmor@reddit

This stood for "the Final Solution to your Wayland Wallpaper Woes"

Did you not read the post?

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FunAware5871@reddit

If anything it looks like you didn't.

fswww was the first name, which got changed to swww. All good there, "final solution" was a pretty bad mistake.

Then it got changed to awww for a really bad reason. There was no intent to reference nazism, and the word "solution" doesn't do that on its own... Unless you try really hard to make it.

Which is what the dev apparently did, as he explains in that post you didn't read: the word solution, in his mind, got tied up with nazism.

So yes, this whole thing (which is about swww->awww and not fswww->swww) is completely pointless.

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RomanOnARiver@reddit

It's honestly refreshing to see someone be so mature and recognize that a name change is needed and that it isn't that big of a deal to just change it. Someone should definitely tell that graphics program that is definitely not trying to compete with Photoshop...

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dimmor@reddit

Is Gimp inherently offensive though? Or just that the name makes it harder for mainstream adoption?

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GenericAntagonist@reddit

Gimp is a somewhat-antiquated derogatory term for someone without full use of their legs. Most people might think of it in the S&M context, but that was far less common prior to Pulp Fiction's release. Regardless of one's feelings on if the latter is too spicy for the photoshop alternative with the worst UI ever made, its name is unfortunate and not really doing it favors.

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RomanOnARiver@reddit

The name thing is indicative of stubbornness in general. For example we've been waiting how long for CMYK support? And we've been waiting how long for a UI overhaul? I remember when someone forked it and had all these grandiose plans and they just got labeled "the woke fork".

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dimmor@reddit

I honestly forgot about the non-sexual meaning 😶

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Ok-Winner-6589@reddit

What if I got their software from my repos? Can I continue to update It normaly or do I need to delete It and reinstall with the new name?

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syklemil@reddit

Depends on package manager features, but if you're using some fairly common, big package manager, I'd expect it to be able to handle a name change during updates.

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Ok-Winner-6589@reddit

Being Arch and considering that failed updates exist something is probably gona break

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syklemil@reddit

Eh, Arch has had other packages renamed before; I have some vague recollection of older electron versions being left around as electron$n. Possibly you'll get a question like replace 'swww' with 'awww'? [Y/n]

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Ok-Winner-6589@reddit

Well I Will see when I update lol

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syklemil@reddit

Please do, this is the sort of thing where it's absolutely fair to warn users of this or that distro that some manual intervention may be required.

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Ok-Winner-6589@reddit

Well I didn't get a swww update even after updating right now, so IDK

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Patient_Sink@reddit

As long as the packager knows what they're doing: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PKGBUILD#replaces

I've done the same when I was maintaining aur packages, and it should just ask on update if you want to replace a with b.

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HiPhish@reddit

So what, Nazis now own the word solution as well? I say take their word and symbols, mock them, laugh at them, don't cover in fear. The best way to give something power is to fear it. It's like those supposed "Christians" who faint the mere sight of a number six or a pentagram; apparently in their mind God is all-powerful, except against Doom and Dungeons & Dragons.

I get dropping the "final" part, that's just prideful and arrogant, but there is nothing wrong with the word solution. I wonder who or what on earth could have given the author this idea.

I reached out to Drew DeVault, someone who's very outspoken about the presence of extreme right-wing sympathisers in the Open Source community, and he gave me the wise advice that perhaps I should choose a name I love, rather than one I won't be ashamed of.

Of fucking course it's this guy. The same guy who was partaking in witch hunts against Stallman and Vaxry.

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dagot23@reddit

Truly the final solution to the wayland wallpaper question

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dimmor@reddit

I love that edgy people always think that the lowest of the low hanging fruit is peak comedy.

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eattherichnow@reddit

Wow, it turns out it is possible to: - find things out by yourself, - not react by digging a deeper grave for yourself.

Amazing. Astonishing.

[Also, quite seriously, appreciated]

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Beneficial-Owl-4430@reddit

if this was elon musk he would rename it to

AWWW

AUSWITZ I WEALLY WISH IT WAS ME

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TechnicalConclusion0@reddit

Nah Elon would call it XWWW. Or even more likely just X. I've been told he has a thing for that letter.....

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vancha113@reddit

Interesting.. They named it that, mentioning they were oblivious to it being used in the context of nazi practices, and then later state "it was a holocaust reference".. so was it a reference or not? If you didn't know, how could it possibly be a reference?

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No-Bison-5397@reddit

The Nazis has their own jargon.

In the English language it persists to this day, terms like final solution, degenerates, lebensraum, blitzkrieg, third reich, et cetera and various calques.

Obviously symbols don’t have inherent meaning but in the English speaking world there is a prudent avoidance of these terms, we reserve them for these terrible things so that there may be no ambiguity that we are not making reference to or endorsing the beliefs and actions of the Nazis.

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torsten_dev@reddit

Slight nitpick. Blitzkrieg isn't a nazi term. It's the allied term for nazi war tactics during ww2. There is little to no evidence Germans used the term before western reporters picked up the term.

Doesn't change the connotation, but it's not a deliberate propagandistic euphemism like the other terms you list.

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vancha113@reddit

Right, for good reason i guess. But in this case it seems the author of the article should not be put at fault. They made a good decision changing the name, I don't think any blame should be put on him since he didn't seem to know.

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Jeoshua@reddit

Who is putting the author at fault, beaisea himself? Nobody told him he had to change the name, he discovered this unfortunate connotation himself and someone suggested he change it.

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No-Bison-5397@reddit

Yeah but they were echoing Hitler. Even if it’s by accident it has a normalising effect.

It’s like stepping on a lawn when you didn’t see the “please keep off the grass” sign. You don’t deserve to be shamed but an apology for transgressing doesn't go amiss.

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vancha113@reddit

Right, that's what I'm saying. They don't deserve to be shamed, and the apology was a good move. They didn't know.

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No-Bison-5397@reddit

Agreed :)

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AlternativePaint6@reddit

Yeah idk man, if you were to think about it for one second then maybe you could conclude that they don't mean reference as an intentional reference but as an accidental equivalence. Considering the author is from Brazil, which should be pretty trivial for someone as observant as you are to notice, this very much seems like the most reasonable explanation, does it not?

I mean the alternative explanation is that they're secretly an English teacher who choose their words very carefully based on the precise definition of the word and that they were intentionally lying in either it being a reference or them being oblivious to it, contradicting themselves and leaving the lie out in the open for everyone to see.

Yeah, both explanations seem equally plausible to me, what do you think?

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vancha113@reddit

Niice, way to be a condescending prick about it. If you thought a little further ahead, you would realize it made all the difference if it was in fact a reference. Since that would actually give you a reason to feel guilty about (and other people to be angry about), and the other does not. This posts title mentions "oblivious", the author of the article it links to says it was a reference, multiple times.. You seem unreasonably triggered by a simple question, next time maybe listen to your own poorly worded advice and assume others may also not speak english as a first language?

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AlternativePaint6@reddit

So you can't feel guilty about something you did accidentally? A bit of a straw man maybe to get the point across, but what if you drive over a child accidentally? Do you just shrug your shoulders and not give a fuck because it was an accident?

Also "oblivious" literally means they weren't aware of its meaning so I have no idea what you're trying to get at. Maybe you misinterpreted it as "obvious"? Go get some sleep mate.

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syklemil@reddit

It doesn't even have to be anything extreme. If I fumble and drop someone's mug, breaking it, the normal thing to do is to feel guilty. Same thing if we spill something on their clothes. Or just bump into a stranger somewhere. Apologising for our own clumsiness is just completely normal courtesy.

Insisting that that doesn't apply when nazi references enter the mix is, uh, certainly a choice.

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runawayasfastasucan@reddit

You are the one who are triggered, calling people names.

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torsten_dev@reddit

hopefully I needn't explain to you what Final Solution is a reference for, but I sure as hell would have appreciated if someone could have pointed it out to me at the time.

Finding out through a random article your name has obvious connotations to most everyone but you, ouch.

Not knowing nazi euphemisms for genocide could be seen as a positive, maybe? Learning and fixing it by yourself and lonesome is definitely a chad move.

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_Archmage_@reddit

Working in tech I've heard three different Indian coworkers refer to their projects as "final solutions" to whatever given problem the org was addressing

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FryBoyter@reddit

I thought long and hard about whether I should write this post at all. And if so, in what form. But I'm going to give it a try anyway.

Yes, what the Nazis did to Jews and other people is absolutely despicable. Anyone who sees it differently should please die a quiet and painful death.

Fortunately, the Third Reich has disappeared since 1945. And we must ensure that something like this never happens again in the history of humanity.

But in my opinion, we should also look ahead. For my part, I would not have thought of the ‘Endlösung’ when I read ‘final solution’.

Instead of changing project names, I believe we should work to ensure that the shit that happened between 1933 and 1945 never happens again. No matter where.

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yukeake@reddit

I'd never have known that combination of letters would be offensive/nazi-related, to be honest. I can definitely understand his desire to rename the project when he found out.

Seems like every few days I read something where some random collection of characters is apparently a slur or a dogwhistle. I both can't keep up, and never was aware so many of these things existed. And I'm definitely on the older side, so it's not like I haven't been around long enough.

Is there a list somewhere of "things that wouldn't necessarily be obvious to someone not well-versed in such things, but that we really shouldn't name things, because they're used by Bad People(tm) to refer to things we really don't want to be associated with"?

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virtualdxs@reddit

Please read the blog post.

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imbev@reddit

There is, and it's both tragic and hilarious that this exists: https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbols/search

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yukeake@reddit

Oh wow...

I guess it shows how sheltered (fortunate?) I've been that I haven't been exposed to so many of these.

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LugzGaming@reddit

Man you pearl clutchers ruin everything.

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ChaiTRex@reddit

The only thing that's ruined is an association with "final solution". Telling that you'd be upset about that.

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Jegahan@reddit

Ruin? It's a name change. Go touch grass...

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ParadoxicalFrog@reddit

GIMP should do it next.

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i-hate-birch-trees@reddit

Oh man this is going to be a pain in the ass to get through to the users. I understand the name change, but the package maintainers better come up with some clever scripts to deal with this.
What I would've done would be replacing swww package with swww-is-now-awww package, that would depend on awww and have an additional script among these lines:

#!/usr/bin/env bash

echo "WARNING: swww had been replaced with awww. This will be removed in the future, update your setups accordingly"
echo "Executing awww now..."

exec /usr/bin/awww "$@"

But there isn't a good way of communicating it to someone in the graphical session who has swww img as a binding somewhere. I wonder if there is a better way...

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xTeixeira@reddit

What I would've done would be replacing swww package with swww-is-now-awww package, that would depend on awww and have an additional script among these lines:

Why though? I don't think a script is needed, admittedly I have more experience with RPM (and a little bit with PKGBUILD) than other packaging solutions, but AFAIK most packaging standards have some equivalent to RPMs Provides and Obsoletes, which can be used to replace/rename packages without needing such bash scripts. I think for PKGBUILD replaces should be sufficient.

Of course these situations can sometimes be a bit more complicated, for instance if you at some point need to re-add a package that was replaced by another in the past, but this case seems simple enough.

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syklemil@reddit

Bundle a wallpaper that has the message, and let any use of swww set that wallpaper? :innocent:

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TWB0109@reddit

I like that lgfae took accountability for it, I wasn't aware, but I like that he was honest about it.

I like awww better anyway lol.

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v3d@reddit

Kudos to the author for not acting privileged and deciding to change the name.

Awww is better then swww anyway.

Some commenters here should learn some compassion. It won't hurt you.

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basics@reddit

Some people have been groomed to think empathy is a weakness, and situations like this give then an opportunity to show that off.

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v3d@reddit

That will be the death of society 🥶.

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issackelly@reddit

Every once in a while a politician or wannabe politician goes about trying to say something like "I didn't know it was a nazi reference" and it's obviously bullshit. and it felt pretty good (like in the "oh no I can feel your shame through the screen" kinda way) to read this one because it actually feels genuine

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ntropia64@reddit

Humble and nice developers are such a nice finding, compared to the "my project, my rules" kinda of attitude many have.

(It comes to mind the owner of an emulator project that changed the license to prevent people from using an older version to overcome a bug he stubbornly didn't want to fix)

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angus_the_red@reddit

What a journey this person has been on. Whether it was an innocent or ignorant mistake or not, it's nice to see some self reflection. Cuteness is having a real moment in the culture.

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veyselerden@reddit

why does it feel guilty though? he didn't do something in ww2. It's mistake that anyone could've make.

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syklemil@reddit

If you step in shit on the street, you still want to clean your shoes, no matter if you were the one that took the dump or not.

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Epistaxis@reddit

/thread

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determineduncertain@reddit

Just because you weren’t involved in an event doesn’t mean that you are absolved from responsibility to act better in the present. This is part of the reason we learn history.

Here, the author made a mistake, learned the history behind the language, made an ethically guided decision, and used that knowledge to do something better in response to what they learned. How is that a bad thing?

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runawayasfastasucan@reddit

Feeling guilty or just think its a bad name when they see it in context?

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ArdiMaster@reddit

This has been haunting me for some time now. The idea someone could look at the git history and call me a nazi because I've the used the God-damned "final solution" name has literally kept me up a few nights.

This doesn't sound like someone who "just think[s] its a bad name when they see it in context"

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RareBox@reddit

Yep, he didn't do anything bad. But the rename is still good, since it makes him happy and clarifies any possible misunderstanding.

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Journeyj012@reddit

They could've felt bad because the Linux community includes anyone, and the chances are that at least one member of a minority targeted in world war 2 was using their software.

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MelioraXI@reddit

I would never known and at this point swww is pretty well-known in the wayland world.

So question, was the maintainer getting hate/cancelled for the name? If that's true, meh.

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lllyyyynnn@reddit

awww is a very cute name. glad the author managed to get around this guilt

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j-sh@reddit

is the use of the word answer in reference to the answer to the jewish question?

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EmbarrassedBiscotti9@reddit

Highly likely considering their established history of dog whistles

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j-sh@reddit

lmao

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No-Adhesiveness9001@reddit

This is so stupid

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Einherjar07@reddit

ITT: reactionaries reacting. Chill, lmao

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EmberQuill@reddit

ITT: loads of people who didn't read the post.

He wasn't "harassed into renaming it". He felt ashamed of his accidental association with a Nazi dogwhistle, and as Neonazis continue to cause more and more trouble he decided to pick a name that he liked instead of one that he felt was too closely linked to something he didn't want to support.

You can argue "well ackshually the association wasn't on purpose and he already removed the final so there was no logical reason to rename it again blah blah blah" but in the end it's about feelings and vibes, not logic. He wanted a different name so he changed it.

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MonsieurCellophane@reddit

r/SubredditDrama

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Jacksaur@reddit

I see a bunch of downvote-hidden comments and I ain't diving into ANY of em.

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TheTwelveYearOld@reddit (OP)

Oh god let's not let it reach that point.

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Large-Ad-6861@reddit

awww <3

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Adventurous-Bee-6494@reddit

ok

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Barafu@reddit

We are banning the word "Solution" now? Then we need to introduce another word to replace it. I recommend "shkerdboble".

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determineduncertain@reddit

No part of this blog post is about abandoning the word solution. Did you just purposefully cut out the important context?

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ArdiMaster@reddit

Yes, once again we retreat and let Nazis have another part of our languages, because categorizing people by the words they use is just too damn convenient.

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megaRammy@reddit

Read the article. The original name included "Final Solution", he already changed it to just Solution but he is choosing to further separate it from that initial name.

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v3d@reddit

I recommend Barafu as you are so incredibly insighful and smart.

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AlternativePaint6@reddit

No, we're not. His word "Solution" just happened to be a remnant of the "Final Solution", which should be banned yes. And because it was a remnant of "Final Solution" specifically, and not just any random solution word, he felt the need to remove it altogether.

I mean this is pretty obvious if you were to actually think about it.

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