Spreadsheet to keep track of all the recent AMD and Intel mobile CPU rebrands
Posted by Shrek_Cheesecake@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 29 comments
Made a spreadsheet to keep track of all the rebrands and equivalent SKUs of AMD and Intel laptop CPUs released recently going back to Zen 2 and Alder Lake. For the sheet, any CPU SKU considered equivalent has the same key specs, those being CPU cores and architecture, iGPU cores and architecture, and L3 cache capacity, while things like TDP and boost clock can vary for each individual SKU
Some interesting take aways:
- the AMD CPUs with the most "equivalent" SKUs are the Ryzen 7 7840U (most recently released as the Ryzen 9 270) and Ryzen 7 6800U (most recently released as the Ryzen 7 170), each with 12 respectively.
- the Intel CPU with the most "equivalent" SKUs is the i7 12700H (most recently released as the Core 9 270H) with 9.
Probably missed a few, so the numbers for the two above may even be higher; these are mostly just the CPUs I could find on Intel and AMD's websites. Also, the sheet excludes PRO and desktop-class chips like AMD's Dragon Range at the moment, might add them at some point in the future.
Balance-@reddit
I actually have a i7 12700H, they rebranded that to Core 9?
Shrek_Cheesecake@reddit (OP)
There was a typo in the original post, it was supposed to say i7 13700H. That being said, calling the Core 9 270H a rebrand of the i7 12700H isn't that much of a stretch either since Raptor Lake H/P/U SKUs are basically only Raptor Lake by name, all their specs and stuff are practically identical to the Alder Lake chips.
steve09089@reddit
Technically, they rebranded the i9-12900H, but since that’s the same chip as the 12700H with a different frequency, yes, they kind of did
pianobench007@reddit
I don't know if it is a rebrand. The 12700H clocks to 4.7GHz on a laptop while the 12900HK can clock to 5.0GHz and the K represents that you can even adjust the clock speed on that chip.
Think of your i7 12700H as the Dodge Charger SRT-8 (or rebrand SRT Hellcat) producing 485 HP and 475 lb-ft from a 6.4 liter Apache V8. And the Core i9 12900HK is the Dodge SRT Demon with an all new 6.2 liter V8 and 2.7 liter supercharger rated for 808 hp and 770 lb-ft of torque.
amazing.
But yeah they are the same chip just the other one is faster and can be overclocked.
i_shit_not@reddit
Once Snapdragon X Elite laptops are released, we will no longer have to remember AMD’s and Intel’s idiotic model numbers.
Shrek_Cheesecake@reddit (OP)
There are already three Snapdragon X2 and nine Snapdragon X1 SKUs listed on Qualcomm's website, all with pretty undiscernible naming lol.
i_shit_not@reddit
Damn. I guess the only one that makes some sense is Apple’s lineup.
Shrek_Cheesecake@reddit (OP)
Even that's kind of just an illusion of simplicity, the M4 for example is technically 3 separate SKUs (just base M4, not talking about M4 Pro/Max chips) with varying CPU and GPU core counts even though they're all branded as M4. Though at the very least, there hasn't been any rebranding from either Qualcomm or Apple yet that I'm aware of, so there's that.
Introvert52@reddit
They're all just different bins of the same chip which is fine enough. They state the core counts and comparisons clearly on their website when referencing a specific SKU.
The pro and max chips have the exact same architecture and cores but just more of them which also makes sense.
The snapdragon is worse but also just mostly the same chip with different bins iirc
Nothing like what's going on with AMD and Intel, absolutely indecipherable for a casual follower which is what they want.
SunnyCloudyRainy@reddit
How is Apple's naming "fine"? If AMD sells a 15 core 9955HX or a 11CU 780M 8845HS with the same naming as the full fat ones I would absolutely flip out
Introvert52@reddit
It's fine because it's the same chip with different numbers of cores disabled, which they tell you clearly whenever you purchase a device.
It's fine because it's simple and easy enough to understand that even apple fans can do it.
While you're prattling on about 9955HXes which is worse naming because it's worse naming. You're just familiar with it.
Creative-Expert8086@reddit
XE already has 4 versions alone.
lifestealsuck@reddit
Snapdragon not any better on android with the sd6(s) sd7(s) sd8(s) gen 1234 keep rebranding other skus .
Plus-Candidate-2940@reddit
Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 2 3 actually make sense but then they did elite and Gen 4 which wasn’t a flagship chip 🤦♂️
steve09089@reddit
Bold of you to assume they won't be ported by Qualcomm to appease the OEMs lol.
Kougar@reddit
Only AMD could have it where if you buy something today from an OEM it could have Zen 2 with RDNA2 inside, Zen 3 with GCN5 inside, or be some random variation of Zen 4 or 5 while Strix Halo is still mostly vaporware a year after launch.
Dell apparently has plenty of Zen 2 laptops models to still offload, but trying to find 300 series parts is a mess. The cheaper 380 and 385 laptops still cost more than the full fat 395 ones too.
Ydyalani@reddit
But Intel is the scummier one here and AMD is at lwast honest with their naming!/s
Sorry, it's a pet peeve of mine that AMD gets treated like the best and most customer-friendly company ever in certain tech circles when there is so much evidence to the contrary... I very much hate Intel doing the same, but AMD takes it to a different level tbh and people defending this bullshit drive me up the walls.
ElementII5@reddit
The new AMD naming scheme is an improvement though. It ranks the SKUs appropriately.
Ydyalani@reddit
If you need a freaking spreadsheet to see what SKU is used in a CPU, then it's not appropriately ranked. Especially if a Ryzen 7 from supposedly the same generation is literally equivalend to a Ryzen 5, like with the Ryzen 7 7735HS and the Ryzen 5 7640HS. I say same generation because that is how it will be interpreted. And that doesn't yet touch on the 7640HS having a stronger iGPU and single-core performance. In some cases, the R5 will actually be stronger in every regard. Unless you are tech savvy, how are you supposed to glean what CPU is better anymore? What do the classifications even still mean?
Numerlor@reddit
It can be an improvement but that means nothing when they can't stick to a naming convention for more than 1 gen
EnglishBrekkie_1604@reddit
Exactly. At least Intel is somewhat consistent in their naming bullshit, but AMD changes it so often that it’s nearly impossible to keep track of.
hackenclaw@reddit
those raptor lake rebrand should have continue use 15000 series (after 14000 series)
steve09089@reddit
I hate that this shit is what laptop chips have devolved into.
Shrek_Cheesecake@reddit (OP)
Good, catch on the P cores for the N series chips, just fixed that.
As for the Intel rebrands, all the Core series 1 and 2 rebrands are all Raptor Lake AFIAK, as listed on Intel's website and confirmed on other sites like CPUWorld.
I considered adding a E-core uArch column for AMD chips, but didn't see much of a point at the moment given Zen 5 and 5c cores are technically considered the same uArch, might add that in the future though if AMD choose to mix and match architectures for upcoming CPUs like some rumors are suggesting.
toddestan@reddit
I don't know if I would exactly trust Intel's site when it comes to labeling things as Raptor Lake vs. Alder Lake. I don't even attempt to keep up with the mess that is Intel's mobile CPU lineup, but on the desktop side it's pretty obvious that the i5-12600k is the same as the i5-13400, yet the latter is Raptor Lake on Intel's site whereas the former is Alder Lake.
Shrek_Cheesecake@reddit (OP)
This sent me down a rabbit hole of looking into CPU steppings lol. It turns out that "Raptor Lake" H chips are technically a different stepping than Alder Lake H (J0 vs L0), but have pretty much all the same specs as Alder Lake and none of the usual advantages of Raptor Lake, with the main omission being the larger L2 cache capacity.
As for how this affects the spreadsheet, you could probably make the argument both ways for whether or not Raptor Lake and Alder Lake H chips are equivalent, so I think I'll just keep it as is for now until I can look more into CPU steppings and how much difference that actually makes.
0zeroe@reddit
There are two steppings of i5-13400 and i5-14400 units out in the wild. One stepping is Raptor Lake while the other stepping is Alder Lake. Both steppings are produced to the same specifications though, including cache size and clock speeds.
Legitimate_Prior_775@reddit
Thank you for including the GPU Arch and Die Codename. I don't have enough mental capacity provisioned to always keep this on the top of my head and this will help get a "Birds eye view" of the landscape when it comes to this kind of smuggling in of older architectures.
imaginary_num6er@reddit
AMD should release a new cypher with 5 wheels to define their product SKUs