AMD Ryzen AI Max+ 392 detailed as a cut-down Ryzen AI Max+ 395 with powerful Radeon 8060S iGPU
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Dangerman1337@reddit
388 sounds really nice but kinda too late. Feels like Medusa Halo with RDNA5 will be the "real" one to go with.
Slabbed1738@reddit
Think that's a year out, at least
Kryohi@reddit
In time for the market crash and prices returning somewhat normal, hopefully
kleganbrooo@reddit
I thought it would be released in the first half of 2026?
Slabbed1738@reddit
Nah zen6 launches in H1 26 in servers, year end/early '27 for desktops/laptops. Rdna5 is probably early '27. From the most recent rumors I've seen atleast
Seanspeed@reddit
That would be very early for Zen 6 based on AMD's typical timelines. Nobody is really moving that fast anymore outside the smartphone chip space.
Slabbed1738@reddit
Mi450x is shipping in Q3 with zen6, and zen6 server chips are already in partner hands from latest earnings call
T1beriu@reddit
Yeah, but since Zen 6 is coming early in Epyc that doesn't mean Ryzen will come just as fast.
loczek531@reddit
RDNA5 won't till 2027
asofatotheright@reddit
And if typical AMD release patterns hold true, only a few, very expensive, SKUs will be available in 2027. I'm not banking on buying a Medusa Halo product that fits my budget until late 2028 at the earliest. Don't sleep on this expanded Strix Halo availability. These should be priced to compete with Panther Lake in 2026. I'm personally hoping to see gaming notebooks like the Asus TUF A14 updated to use the 388 chip
T1beriu@reddit
Medusa Halo won't see the light of day before H1 2027.
grumble11@reddit
Is rdna 5 confirmed?
work-school-account@reddit (OP)
Two "leaked" Strix Halo products, both with 8060S iGPU but 12C24T (392) or 8C16T (388).
CrashedMyCommodore@reddit
I'm praying that Minisforum somehow shoves these on an ITX motherboard.
thelastsupper316@reddit
That's what we need!!!!
Perfect for handhelds
Flaimbot@reddit
not really. it's still gonna drain the battery way too fast. slower than the 395, but not by a lot.
work-school-account@reddit (OP)
Assuming that they're actually available and affordable.
kikimaru024@reddit
If we're being honest, they'll still be up-priced to sell to AI-bros instead of being tiny gaming boxes like we (here) want.
got-trunks@reddit
It's just a big, expensive architecture.
Homerlncognito@reddit
No CUDA and RAM getting more and more expensive won't make them super desirable for AI.
noiserr@reddit
1 usecase for these in AI is running medium sized MoE models for local LLMs.
And for that they offer a pretty compelling solution. You basically have to spend twice as much to do it with Apple. At which point you're not using CUDA either.
ROCm works and inference engines like llama.cpp also support Vulkan compute AI.
why_is_this_username@reddit
Well, mobile ai, these things don’t use sodim ram (or ram sticks in general) and the speeds of ddr5x aren’t used for most CPU’s. This very well could be also targeting mobile ai ( specifically more ai/gaming where the 395+ was targeting development and simulations as well). Also ai doesn’t need cuda, rocm exists and it’s quite good, any downfalls of amd is on a architectural level, but if you’re doing local ai on the go then you don’t really need cuda if that makes sense.
Marv18GOAT@reddit
Who tf uses a handheld for AI lmfao
asofatotheright@reddit
These will be great (but expensive) for the GPD, AYANEO, or OneXPlayer devices. I doubt that we'll see these in a mass market ASUS, Lenovo, or MSI handheld unless we get a "Z" series version of Strix Halo. I am anticipating something like a "Z2 Ultimate" if AMD stockpiles enough yields with defective+disabled NPUs or something. Maybe there will be yields that are only stable up to 45w with reduced clocks that can find a home in more conventional handheld designs. The Phawx has proven that any TDP over 25W will offer massive gains over the existing Z2E.
Stilgar314@reddit
Not sure about handhelds. I think these processors are intended for NUCs, so maybe they don't work very well with a battery. Perhaps for a "Steam Console"? I'm not sure either. I'd like to see someone putting Bazzite in one of those chips and plug it to a 4K TV, see if it's any good.
MrBIMC@reddit
Well, that’s exactly my use case with beelink gtr9. I’m using it as a tv gaming console running bazzite (and also as an llm server).
Gaming performance for 8060s - it’s much better than I expected. About every modern fighting game runs in 4k at stable 60, though upscaling is usually required for that. It also megabonks perfectly.
So I have high hopes for these new chips, given that they use the exact gpus. It now all boils to price and form factors.
My gt9 is undervolted and slightly overclocked, and runs at about sustained 140 watts.
Given that I live in Ukraine and lately experience blackouts, so during those I put it on balanced profile (sustained 80watts) and run off ecoflow together with monitor (instead of tv when life is gucci). This balanced setup all together is consuming around 137 watts when megabonking at 4k.
fiah84@reddit
I don't see why not though? Don't they have awesome performance at very low power?
Noreng@reddit
Why? There's no need for a 12-core CPU in a ROG Ally, even 8 is overkill.
WJMazepas@reddit
They are talking about the 8 core version
Raikaru@reddit
8 cores x86 cores takes up too much power in a handheld unless it’s some 4 big core 4 small core thing
Jonny_H@reddit
From a power point of view disabled-by-binning cores would be exactly the same as if you disabled them in the OS, or just didn't have enough work for the OS to schedule threads on them.
Any real savings would require a new die (and there may well be possible savings there, less complex busses, easier routing, fewer ports on sram blocks etc.), but this isn't that.
The only advantage this would have over the "full fat" die is cost. And that still depends on yields and how much supply of these binned dies they actually get.
Raikaru@reddit
Well i was saying this wouldn’t be enough anyway. I agree some handheld specific die would need to be made.
IguassuIronman@reddit
Even 8 cores is excessive in a handheld. You'd get more with a stronger GPU
Plus-Candidate-2940@reddit
This is the strongest gpu they have available
IguassuIronman@reddit
Even then I'd just rather not have the cores. You're GOU limited anyways, so all they're doing is eating a bit of power and hurting your battery life. I've got a Z1X Ally and I'm generally hapoy with it but the usability on battery is easily its biggest weakness
kkjdroid@reddit
The 8060S is about three times as fast as the 780M in the Z1E. The only IGPUs you can get that are faster than the 780M are the Intel Arc 140T, which comes in CPUs ranging between 14 and 16 cores, and the 8060S, which launched in 16-core parts and is now being made available in 12- and 8-core versions. If you want a good IGPU, you're getting at least 8 cores.
You can always disable them in the OS or UEFI if you're really dead-set on it. At that point, all you're losing relative to AMD engineering an entire new chip is some space on your motherboard.
Plus-Candidate-2940@reddit
Yes but dropping 2 cores is not going to cause a massive price cut or battery life improvement
WJMazepas@reddit
Yes, but this is the version with the best GPU with the least cores, so it becomes the best for handhelds
jenny_905@reddit
Surely it would still be a 100W+ chip when pushing gaming loads though?
WJMazepas@reddit
You can set the TDP to 15W actually
jenny_905@reddit
Sure but the performance will be dogshit.
It's a nominal 55W chip and the 395 boosts to 120W to deliver the 4060-like performance it is capable of.
Noreng@reddit
It actually doesn't scale nearly that well with power, there's simply not enough memory bandwidth to feed the GPU effectively.
gusthenewkid@reddit
8 cores is still too many for a handled. 6 is ideal
WJMazepas@reddit
Yes, but this is version with the best GPU with the lower amount of cores. So the best possible in terms of performance for a handheld
Vodkanadian@reddit
Finally, locking the best igpu to monster chips always felt like a waste, most who needs a 16 core cpu is going to want bigger than a 8060s anyway
hackenclaw@reddit
they should really do a APU silicon with only quad core + GPU equivalent of RX580 performance. That handheld will be a monster.
*note we had i7-7700K able to push GTX1080/GTX1080Ti, so quad core is actually more than enough.
Seanspeed@reddit
This will still be a big, expensive chip. 8 CPU cores dont really take up that much die area.
Zeroth-unit@reddit
I'm just hoping this leads to a mini PC with this chip in it so I can replace my ancient gaming desktop with an all in one machine. The current Strix Halo line is everything I've ever wanted in an all-in-one machine but is too overkill and expensive for what it's worth. A cut down variant with the same iGPU would be sweet.
loozerr@reddit
How many days of driver support can we expect?
Blueberryburntpie@reddit
That requires AMD’s marketing to take their ADHD meds on a regular basis.
loozerr@reddit
ADHD meds with or without ADHD?
Vb_33@reddit
Take a guess.
Plus-Candidate-2940@reddit
Now put it in a actual laptop
T1beriu@reddit
That's an OEM's job.
Darkknight1939@reddit
The onus is still on AMD to sufficiently supply them. That’s been a consistent issue for them versus intel.
T1beriu@reddit
Since there's a bunch of noname companies releasing products with Strix Halo, what make you think there's not sufficient supply?
Good_luckapollo@reddit
Would love to see more handhelds use them for the performance per watt at lower tdp.
Felkin@reddit
These SoCs are very interesting not just for AI stuff. The NPUs have a lot of potential to dramatically improve energy efficiency and perf for a lot of other tasks as well, its just that the tools are still in their infancy so we haven't managed to develop many applications on them yet.
Darkknight1939@reddit
One of those “no name” companies (GPD, the oldest and most established) has literally said AMD doesn’t give enough supply, lmao.
https://videocardz.com/newz/gpd-accuses-amd-of-breaching-contract-by-not-supplying-enough-ryzen-7-7840u-apus-on-time
Secondly, AMD being able to supply handhelds that sell several thousand is a drop in the bucket compared to the millions major OEM laptops need to use. The fact that AMD supplies them in very small numbers, and not OEMS at capacity is proof of my point, not a refutation of it, lol. 
T1beriu@reddit
My friend, we were talking about Strix Halo supply, not 7840U from 2 years ago.
Front_Expression_367@reddit
Strix Halo sounds significantly more niche than 7840U ever was, tbh.
Darkknight1939@reddit
You invoked “no-name” OEM’s being supplied at all by AMD as proof of them not having supply problems. I linked a very infamous instance of an OEM publicly speaking about AMD’s issues in keeping with supplying even these small boutique OEMS.
Tgrove88@reddit
Its a new product. Seems they made it for AI but found other very interested into it including nvidia partnering with Intel to counter these products. So I imagine 5heyre taking it more serious now that they're releasing these
svenge@reddit
That, and a complete unwillingness to invest in engineering support for laptop OEMs.
HisDivineOrder@reddit
When AMD makes a next gen version of this with FSR4 or higher, then we'll have something special.
jecowa@reddit
When do you think consumer RDNA 5 gaming cards will come out? Maybe around June?
boomstickah@reddit
2 year cadence. 2027
Gloriathewitch@reddit
Excited about the 388 i would love an 8/16 cpu for lighter things like gaming and general computing with the 8060, right now you basically have to pay for 64-128gb ai machines and not everyone wants that
Nimbus420i@reddit
Hopefully these would be affordable and priced in accordance to competition (4060/5060 laptops). But knowing how the world is these will be sold at exorbitant prices to generate AI slop.
moofunk@reddit
AMD Ryzen AI Max+ 391 and a half.
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