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WonderfulViking@reddit

I've worked in a project upgrading from Win7 to Win 10 not long ago, about a year. Totally waste of money.

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Koobetto@reddit

Why do you think it was a waste of money?

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JeanLuc_Richard@reddit

Should have gone straight to Win 11 maybe?

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I guess it depends on the org. Win10 extended licenses are $1 each for higher ed, and win10 to win11 can be done as an in place upgrade with much less required human effort. So not totally wasted, but a narrow circumstance.

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Kinklord30@reddit

Since when ESU Year 1 is 1$ / device? It's 62$ / device for enterprise.

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SuddenSeasons@reddit

In the exact scenario I spelled out in my post, which is only two sentences long.

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Kinklord30@reddit

So it depends on organization type? I really don't get it and I just would like to expand my knowledge. I googled "Win10 extended licenses price" and it says 61$ (did typo with 62) for organization, so I'm missing some piece of puzzle.

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SuddenSeasons@reddit

Yes in my post I said for higher education. There are massive discounts for education & nonprofit. It cost us $900 to extend win10 for a full year.

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Kinklord30@reddit

I assumed higher ed is higher edition for some reason. I wasn't aware that edu and nonprofit have discounts. Thank you for the explaantion, now it's clear for me.

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Hobbit_Hardcase@reddit

Depends on the hardware too.

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Scary_Ad_3494@reddit

????

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Rocknbob69@reddit

Nothing like being a decade behind

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nohairday@reddit

Eh. I know some places that still have server 2000 DCs in place. Internal lookup only, but still.

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Pale-Muscle-7118@reddit

Yes it is old and a security risk. The many years I have worked as network admin and consulting roles, I notify of potential risks and document that I have done so. I no longer lose sleep over it. Many times it's a business choice to not spend money because they choose to ignore the ramifications until it becomes too late. As far as this comment and others I have seen, 2000 and 2003 AD servers weren't as bad as some of the later versions I have encountered. Not everywhere is going to stay up to date. But it does say something about the hardware and software that makes it into 20+ years of service.

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lakimens@reddit

I would use Windows XP if possible

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joshbudde@reddit

Come to manufacturing, its only possible if you get the 'new' computer though....

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AirTuna@reddit

Shouldn't manufacturing be using an LTSC release, though? I would expect the desire is to have an OS with as close to zero uncontrolled changes as possible, with as small a footprint as possible (to reduce attack vector, complexity, and risk of unexpected side effects when actually *making* controlled changes).

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Sajem@reddit

The machinery controller may well be an LTSC release, but if a company purchased a 1+ million dollar manufacturing plant 10 years ago it was likely provided with WinXP - maybe Win7 loaded with their proprietary software to run the plant So you shoot of a message to the plant vendor letting them know that you *have* to update the controller computer to Win11 to satisfy your ISO or whatever audits and your cyber security insurance and then they send you and quote for $10,000 for a replacement controller computer. They've got you buy the balls cause they can. They won't let you install their software on your own computers etc. This is same deal for a lot of stuff like MRI and CT\PET equipment in hospitals. They sell these things and they're expected to be in use for decades so the vendors don't or won't just replace the controllers for peanuts.

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mineral_minion@reddit

A lot of manufacturing equipment had 2 guys write the software 20 years ago, and build a golden image that gets burned onto identical hardware for every install which will never be updated until the parts physically cannot be obtained anymore. And when that day comes, you'll pay somewhere between new BMW money and new Rolls Royce money for a tech to swap in a "new" computer that is running the same software, but on "gen3" hardware which is only 18 years old.

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jimicus@reddit

The annoying thing is that platforms designed to accommodate this have existed since forever. But so many companies just write their software for Windows and be done with.

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joshbudde@reddit

Nice thing about using unsupported software...no changes. Better than LTSC!

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bingblangblong@reddit

Every once in a while, I'll go on youtube and watch the Windows XP product tour. Takes me back to a better time.

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Somedudesnews@reddit

A few years ago I purchased a gift for my spouse. The email confirmation arrived and, curious, I looked at the headers. Sure enough a VERY, VERY old version of Exchange touched that email along its path. I won’t name the vendor or Exchange version because the EOL date was at least a decade before. That particular industry is on its last legs (unfortunately), so it’s not worth stirring up dust. I just thought it was as interesting as it was surprising. I expect that either the headers were mingled for compatibility with systems or they really were using an Exchange release that old, and if so, probably for compatibility with other systems.

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loozerr@reddit

That sounds pleasant if hardware holds up.

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VexingRaven@reddit

Well, unless you like having *any* of the new things that have been added to AD in the last 25 years.

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supremeicecreme@reddit

I would LOVE AD recycle bin, but alas someone on the team thinks it’s a massive security risk.

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Somedudesnews@reddit

I’d love to know what about AD recycle bin is a security risk that isn’t inherently part of AD. In other words — if the recycle bin is a security risk, then aren’t all of the objects in AD also security risks? Perhaps more so if they’re active? Sure, we can say “user accounts and service principals are security risks” but that’s like saying water is wet.

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VexingRaven@reddit

Well tell them I think they're a massive security risk.

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nohairday@reddit

So many products are on a risk register with text similar to the following. The service is working, but the software is out of support, and so is the OS and hardware. If anything does go wrong, we have no vendor support and zero guarantees we can restore the service.

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WonderfulViking@reddit

"2000 DCs" is for any company totally insae no matter the size.

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slipsi@reddit

Ouch that means they can't raise domain functional level to enable AD recycle bin.

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Affectionate-Pea-307@reddit

2003 was the apex.

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charlierw01@reddit

When I first started at my current company \~3 years ago we had a 2003 server for one of our companies still in place as their AD...

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Appropriate_World265@reddit

Government IT is a sh\*tshow. I worked on a "upgrade" project for the Treasury years ago. What was the upgrade you ask? Well it was to "upgrade" the department laptops from Windows 8, yes 8 which no sane person would have done in the first place...to Windows 8.1. Windows 10 was available at the time, but no, 8.1 was the plan. Everyone on the project knew this was insanity and a massive waste of money, even the staff knew it was a massive waste of money and time, but that was the plan and goddammit that was what we were going to do. I am convinced these public sector contracts are put in place by high up arseholes on a golf course with the aim of scamming money from taxpayers into private companies which then give the civil servant who brokered the deal, a place on the board when they get eventually kicked out for incompetence and or corruption. There is literally no other explanation, and I know several others who have worked on government IT projects who say the exact same thing.

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Dave_A480@reddit

They'll just stay on 10 until extended support can no longer be purchased... Especially with the device-upgrade nonsense, which basically amounts to MS wanting to goose PC sales through arbitrary requirements.... I mean, I still have RHEL6 stuff that can't be replaced because the application running on it is closed-source with kernel-module dependencies.... 'Best Practices' (after budgetary concerns are considered) is kind of like 'Perfect Use of Birth Control'....

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Bodycount9@reddit

As long as they don't have special software, in place upgrade to Win 11 should work. Let the end user start the process in a two week timeframe. Should be an easy upgrade.

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Sajem@reddit

We tried this, pushed out the update to 600 devices as an available upgrade with precise instructions on how to kick of the upgrade so our staff could update during lunch or whatever. Over the course of a month less than 100 devices had been upgraded. After a month we changed the deployment and changed it to a required upgrade and didn't give them the choice when it would happen. Two weeks later we have 98% of our devices upgraded to Win11

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Bodycount9@reddit

exactly. we gave our staff a two week window. They could upgrade at anytime during those two weeks. if they wait until the last day, it forces them to upgrade. this was for in place upgrades only. we had around 1000 other computers that we had to wipe and start over with a Win 11 image. Went from onprem active directory to cloud entra based with those. used MECM and winget to reimage. One click of a button and it was done.

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Ochib@reddit

Well they have a backlog of 24,000 end-of-life devices to replace. They should get that sorted, just before Win 11 is EOL

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Lower_Apricot_3251@reddit

Throwaway... I worked on this project until the start of 2025. The numbers here are massively wrong, full estate was migrated to Intune and upgraded to Win11 months ago, at least 99%+ by about 6 months ago. Suspect el reg will update this article (assuming someone from Defra actually asks or replies lol, which I doubt)

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Kardinal@reddit

Are you saying the Register over sensationalized to the point of being misleading without actually lying? I am shocked. Shocked I tell you!

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nowandnothing@reddit

MONGO IS APPALLED

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VexingRaven@reddit

There's a reason I started referring to it as The Rag.

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DefectiveLP@reddit

>In its response, submitted more than a year after the Committee's May 2024 deadline, Defra said that during the current spending review period (2022-23 to 2024-25) it invested heavily in "upgrading obsolete devices and software, including removing 31,500 Windows 7 laptops from the estate and upgrading to Windows 10." Seems more like someone unqualified wrote this report and mistook win 11 for win 10.

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land_bug@reddit

Intune? Eeeeeeew. The dept deserves all the hate

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LachlantehGreat@reddit

wtf is the matter with intune??

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tgulli@reddit

nothing at all, in fact there are many benefits but some seem to hate it because it's lacking things cm has

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cccanterbury@reddit

my friend wants to know what cm stands for

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tgulli@reddit

mecm, sccm, configuration manager

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Lower_Apricot_3251@reddit

"Cloud First"

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bingblangblong@reddit

You should have switched to linux you fool!

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Lower_Apricot_3251@reddit

No thanks I don't hate myself that much.

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My_Legz@reddit

This makes a lot more sense. It would have been a massive fu otherwise

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VirtualDenzel@reddit

Or just migrate to linux and all those end of life devices are in perfect working order again.

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TooOldForThis81@reddit

Sigh, Linux drops support for hardware. I can't migrate from Alma 9 to 10 due to this. I wanted to setup Alma 9 on a poweredge R710 to test something out and I couldn't as they didn't have drivers for the RAID card. Server 2022 works fine on it though.

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pdp10@reddit

Windows Server 2019 is the last one to have support for the PERC 6i in the standard media, so I'm guessing you mean the H710. A lot of Gen 11 PowerEdges will be found with the much less sophisticated, SATA-II (!) PERC 6/i because the replacement RAID card was the first one that refused to work if the drives didn't have Dell firmware. Dell walked that one back, eventually, but that's why the PERC 6s are common when they shouldn't otherwise be.

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doubled112@reddit

Red Hat drops support, but that doesn't mean Linux drops support. Their kernel drives me crazy like this.

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_AACO@reddit

And windows doesn't?

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dustojnikhummer@reddit

I thought that was RHEL and that Alma brought the drivers back, both for old LSI cars and for AESv2 CPUs?

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TooOldForThis81@reddit

Based on my past experience, no . Ended up having to use Ubuntu, I'm not a fan of Ubuntu :( I can do a further test later to confirm that is still the case.

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srekkas@reddit

At least you have option too choose from :)

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dustojnikhummer@reddit

You also do on Windows.

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srekkas@reddit

How so, Server 2019 and 2022, thats not an option.

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dustojnikhummer@reddit

Ubuntu Server? I would probably go Debian instead.

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Ochib@reddit

And then spend years in meetings deciding which distro to use

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mikeblas@reddit

I use Arch, BTW.

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Ochib@reddit

Ubuntu or die

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cdoublejj@reddit

Archbuntu???

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cccanterbury@reddit

ubuntarch or gtfo

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drfusterenstein@reddit

Fedora

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MyUshanka@reddit

Everyone will be in agreement then the 12th juror will say "install gentoo" and you'll be in committee for a year again.

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tankerkiller125real@reddit

Nah, you just replace that one for "insanity" reasons.

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korvolga@reddit

and spend way to much money educating and switching platforms. Not a good way to spend money.

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mhkohne@reddit

They never trained anyone on windows, why would they retrain for the new setup? Throw everyone in again, and it'll work out.

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invisi1407@reddit

> They never trained anyone on windows, why would they retrain for the new setup? Throw everyone in again, and it'll work out. Everyone has used Windows before in their homes, school, or other workplaces. Either Windows or Mac OS. Literally nobody, as in very very few office workers, has ever had anything to do with anything Linux Desktop related. In a corporate setting with Active Directory or Entra ID services for user management, you can't really beat Windows from an administrative standpoint. I'm sure someone has made similar things work with various Linux distros, but it takes different people and is a vastly different approach that many, many admins aren't used to.

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drfusterenstein@reddit

Most people are familiar with the windows desktop environment. So as long as it has kde plasma then people will see no difference.

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invisi1407@reddit

> So as long as it has kde plasma then people will see no difference. Literally just not true. I have used or tried literally all relevant OS'es in the past 25 years and no, KDE Plasma doesn't make it feel like Windows. It makes it resemble Windows, but there are huge differences in how things work and operate. From an administrative perspective, which is what I was talking about, Windows - unfortunately - is just nearly impossible to beat. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are no group policies, no Intune policies, no proper user management/AD/Entra similar thing on any Linux distro. It is _much, much_ easier to manage 10,000 Windows clients than ditto Linux of any distro. I imagine the next 10 years will make it easier for the users as most apps are either Electron based or simply a web-based app/website. I imagine even Microsoft Office would eventually become an Electron, or similar, based group of apps that work cross platform on anything where a browser runs. "New Outlook" is just that. It's the same as https://outlook.office365.com/.

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No_Resolution_9252@reddit

They did train them, but for the most part they only have to train them one time, not every single time there is a functionally equivalent operating system of a different variant that comes out, or arbitrarily every few versions because the linux project decides to reinvent the wheel on something.

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Speeddymon@reddit

Pretty sure you're thinking like an admin here, not a user. Users typically won't be mucking about with systemd in Linux (previously init) nor trying to decide whether to use Wayland or something else. I've actually supported an office of Linux desktop users and they use their apps and that's it. The apps themselves would be pretty stable in functionality across whatever changes are made to the underlying OS just like how it is with Windows.

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No_Resolution_9252@reddit

Admins are the only ones where the training matters. Apps are certainly not stable across versions and variants, let alone the shit show that is productivity software on linux.

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obsidanix@reddit

Put your hand up if you have never worked in business tech. In the UK Microsoft adoption in the business market is 93.4% of all devices. User awareness, MSP and internal support functions are mostly geared around support Microsoft stacks. Linux support requires expensive, niche support and makes it harder to do business with other businesses or in fact meet basic standards like cyber essentials. Linux is never the answer in a professional business environment.

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Ochib@reddit

Apart from servers

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wrincewind@reddit

Aka the other 6.6% of devices :p

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turtleship_2006@reddit

Exactly, they didn't *need* to train people on windows, because that's what most people used going up/at school Your job probably didn't teach you to speak english, but if you suddenly needed to speak in croatian you'd all have to learn that

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srekkas@reddit

Its one time thing, as no one ever needs learning windowze.

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FLATLANDRIDER@reddit

It's not a one-time thing. Every new hire is going to have no idea how to use Linux. You'll be constantly and endlessly spending money on training users that you otherwise wouldn't have to spend since everyone is at least familiar with Windows.

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srekkas@reddit

Its just like sitting into new car,even volume knob is in different position, you just have common sense.

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bloodguard@reddit

We've moved more than a few users over to Linux desktops. Most of the "programs" they use are all web apps these days. Give them a browser and a desktop icon for solitaire and they're happy as clams.

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No_Resolution_9252@reddit

They aren't in perfect working order, they are 10+ year old pieces of absolute garbage. You aren't a sysadmin and probably not even involved in tech.

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Affectionate-Pea-307@reddit

Xactimate doesn’t run on Linux 😞

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Worldly_Fisherman848@reddit

I mean to be fair we can't even deploy Xactimate and have to install it manually as well. Not even counting how Windows has to be fully updated for Xactimate to update for some reason..

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IntraspeciesJug@reddit

Ahhh yes...was waiting for the Linux guy to chime in. Like clockwork.

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overlydelicioustea@reddit

if uk public sector is anything like german public sector you will just end up with half your applications not working anymore. there is somewhat of a push towards web applications, but basically any department i know has tons of windows only software.

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maglax@reddit

I mean sure but TPM's maybe aren't a bad thing for government laptops to all have.

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silentdragon95@reddit

And the neat part about that every other year, Windows 11 itself essentially requires a full OS upgrade. My org just finished rolling out Windows 11 23H2 (just in time too) and now we can get right on rolling out 25H2 because support for 23H2 Enterprise ends in one year.

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pdp10@reddit

> there is always some odd edge case that breaks something. Half the userbase needs to upgrade because of an edge case that breaks something, and the other half of the userbase needs to stay on the older version because of an edge case that breaks something. The OS that stays out of one's way may be a decades-gone concept, even for Apple (32-bit support dropped) and Linux (who really wanted Systemd, or perpetual conflict in the Desktop Environments space?).

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KoDa6562@reddit

The funny thing is that my org refused to upgrade to 24H2 due to compatibility with some of the older software so now our team has been scrambling to find workarounds to get those apps working on 25H2 and the clear answer is to pay for new licenses but alas, they refuse.

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boomhaeur@reddit

“Here, you know own the risk, all costs associated with maintaining these devices and all the costs for catching back up” has been our response to these situations… we’ve got backing all the way to the top of the house. It’s amazing how those situations all seem to magically fix themselves before it fully gets to that point.

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boomhaeur@reddit

We manage 100,000 devices in a heavily regulated industry - we’ve been doing the annual updates like clockwork since devices started going to Win10. It used to take us 4-5 years to get the upgrade through all the machines. Our move to Windows 11 took us a year (and really only ~18 weeks of active in place upgrades) We just established with the business from day one “Windows 10+ now updates every year” and stuck with it. There’s always a quirk or two to work through but in general the updates have been pretty painless.

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Hobbit_Hardcase@reddit

23H2 ends **next week**. Please tell me you meant 24H2; that ends in October 2026.

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cluberti@reddit

A letter sent in October of 2025 in response to a request from May 2023. Seems par for the course for this agency, then, eh?

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OptimalCynic@reddit

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0751811/quotes/?item=qt0267180

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Crenorz@reddit

so fire the CIO and everyone at the top level for sucking so bad. Easy. no excuses to update at all, this was always going to happen and the roadmap was done WHEN THE OS CAME OUT. so no excuses, they suck, get rid of them.

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OptimalCynic@reddit

Can't, it's a government department

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Lower_Apricot_3251@reddit

It was fully migrated to Win11 about a year before Win10 EOL, they're good ;)

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lectos1977@reddit

I told mine 2yrs ago about the Windows 10 deadline. I said 80 machines have to go. We have 70 left because the PO will not get signed due to "budget issues." You can say "failing business" or "bad CIO" or "bad CFO" but it comes down to the willingness to not spend money and risk it. It is the folks that pay the bills that keep people on EOL. CFO will say " that is still a good working laptop" and refuse to replace and recycle. Until they get hit with a cyber threat or a major outage (both of which they will blame IT for) they won't change. Good on you if you keep ahead. The real world says that not everyone will.

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DelusionalSysAdmin@reddit

It's called moving at the speed of government.

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Level_Working9664@reddit

Whoever failed to plan ahead and he needs to get a p45. This is a professional services provider's wet dream.

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Ochib@reddit

The apps that they use may only be certified to be used on Windows 10

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Level_Working9664@reddit

Yet they are rushing to upgrade now? The only point I'm trying to make is this should have been planned and if the apps aren't compatible then there needs to be a project to replace the apps before end of support.

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Ochib@reddit

The Government are still using systems written in 1980s, which is why the DVLA website is only available between 09:00-18:00 Monday to Friday.

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Level_Working9664@reddit

They're only available in those hours because they turn off their VMS to save on compute costs.

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Ochib@reddit

Nope, it’s because they need to run batch processing at night

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Level_Working9664@reddit

Different servers.. Front-end nodes get switched on and off on a schedule

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Traditional-Tech23@reddit (OP)

It took 2 years to reply to the committee report, so it doesn't seem to be the most efficiently run organisation. It is also a hacker's wet dream.

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Level_Working9664@reddit

Agreed on both parts. I suspect all we'll see is another committee report on why the first committee report took so long to produce... In 2029

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geometry5036@reddit

Do you think EOL devices will hit ebay or something? I need more linux friendly machines

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1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v@reddit

The chances are good that they are already compromised and just don't know it yet.

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mountainousbarbarian@reddit

P45 in the civil service? Don't make me laugh, they'll get Accenture in to do restructuring and instead of clearing out the deadwood, they'll be redeployed to the bureau of potato control or similar backwater where they can cause minimal damage.

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whythehellnote@reddit

More likely that nobody employed is allowed to make and decisions -- Accenture are brought in (both in gov and in corporations) to move accountability away from people. Outsource management, base decisions on consultants, Gartner, etc, and you're quids in.

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nohairday@reddit

I can pretty much guarantee that the plan was started some time between Windows 11 being announced and EOL for Win10 being announced. And then deferred, put on hold, postponed until next financial year (for several years) due to the vagaries of funding being a political football and instructions to prioritise the pet project of whichever MP is in charge of the department at that time. You can plan all you like. If the money isn't there to proceed because "nothing's broken" then you're shit out of luck.

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Noodle_Nighs@reddit

and a change of regime - this is pretty accurate, everything goes to the board and above.

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dustojnikhummer@reddit

A Clarkson Motors P45 to be exact.

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cdoublejj@reddit

i think 10 LTSC still has a few years left or they can subscribe to 0Patch

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Britzer@reddit

EOL for LTSC 2021 is Jan 2027, so we have all of next year to upgrade those machine. EOL for LTSC 2019 is 2029. Don't ask why I know this data from my heart.

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cdoublejj@reddit

fun fact: ltsc doesn't usually get ai bullshit put in it.

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swarmy1@reddit

Yeah, just deployed some 24H2 LTSC machines, definitely nice not having all that junk on there by default

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cdoublejj@reddit

MS is threatening to end teams 365 app on w11 ltsc enterprise, right after i got the ok for a full org deploy. apparently there is an office ltsc 2024, probably also without the AI but, they went cloud.

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UbiquitousTool@reddit

The deployment is only half the battle. The real soul-crushing part is the 6 months of helpdesk tickets that follow. "Where's my printer?" "How do I do X now?" for every single employee. That's the stuff that causes burnout. I work at eesel, we see a lot of IT teams try to get ahead of this. They'll set up an internal AI bot in Slack or Teams that's trained on all the migration FAQs and Confluence docs. It handles the flood of repetitive questions so the actual IT staff can focus on the real problems that pop up. We saw a company, Covergo, do this to cut down on their repetitive IT tickets in a big way. It's pretty much a survival tactic for any big internal system change now.

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mrtuna@reddit

Throwaway... I worked on this project until the start of 2025. The numbers here are massively wrong, full estate was migrated to Intune and upgraded to Win11 months ago, at least 99%+ by about 6 months ago. Suspect el reg will update this article (assuming someone from Defra actually asks or replies lol, which I doubt)

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cccanterbury@reddit

"tech debt *takes long drag of cigarette it is a bitch, no?"

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ugus@reddit

lol

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johnyakuza0@reddit

You know most of these "IT admins" are just embezzling money from the state? It's the cushiest job to work for the government, make up some BS reason why moving to Windows 11 will cost 200K GBP, and gobble up the rest of the money for themselves.

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Loudergood@reddit

How long have you been working there?

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StolenRocket@reddit

I call that job security

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Witty_Discipline5502@reddit

This is typical bloated government bureaucracy at its finest. Nice to know it's all around the world

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vogelke@reddit

Check out [Lions, Donkeys, and Dinosaurs](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FKT0U1E) if you want to see UK military procurement at its finest. At least the USA isn't the only one.

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susriley@reddit

They are really taking the Micky with this windows 11 nonsense!

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Lower_Apricot_3251@reddit

I worked on this project until the start of 2025. The numbers here are massively wrong, full estate was migrated to Intune and upgraded to Win11 months ago, at least 99%+ by about 6 months ago. Only exceptions were some stragglers because of bespoke apps.

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nascentt@reddit

It does sound like the response was a year later than the deadline, so perhaps it's year old data. Although I'm unsure why a misleading year old report would be submitted now.

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eggbeater98@reddit

It's The Register. Needn't say more!

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drfusterenstein@reddit

Should have just used Linux and open source software that actually works. Only reason Microsoft have contracted is so they can get a tax write-off.

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AppIdentityGuy@reddit

At that size they will LTSC support so they should be good.

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Lozsta@reddit

That is a £312 million hole in the UK budget. No doubt the next stage will cost £500 million.

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Dirty_Goat@reddit

Does anyone else find humor in the title “Interim Permanent Secretary”?

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CAPICINC@reddit

> maintaining another generation of unsupported systems, just under a new name. Government IT in a nutshell

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snakebite75@reddit

My nephew served in the Air Force. He told me about a time he had to go to IT to swap out his laptop and even though they had new Win 10 machines sitting there waiting for deployment because their orders were to deploy the systems in the order they came in, so they had to deploy the older Win 7 machines that were already outdated.

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Apauc@reddit

It sucks, but it’s job security.

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flargh_blargh@reddit

Well the good news is in the UK I think they have 3 more years of support anyway to get off Win 10. I could be wrong about it being automatic, but even if it isn't they can spend like £9M and have support for 24,000 endpoints for 3 years. That buys them *some* time.

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Lower_Apricot_3251@reddit

The even gooder news is that they don't use Windows 10, the article is just wrong.

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MrEMMDeeEMM@reddit

My favourite kind of news is gooder, even gooder is a bonus!

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FortuneIIIPick@reddit

Time to switch to Linux and end the treadmill.

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BronnOP@reddit

These numbers are all incorrect. The article will be amended at some point mark my words.

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Lower_Apricot_3251@reddit

Agreed with this guy, it's mostly waffle glimmered from a letter sent by someone who doesn't know any better :)

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proxzer@reddit

This is the reason a lot of IT folks have a job- no complaints here

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Chex8@reddit

Byod

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ReinaldoWolffe@reddit

I know of an organization in Ireland that is in almost the exact same position, Windows 10 deployed by Citrix, and it is a cluster fuck!

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urc2pid@reddit

ESU license to prolong the pain. The approval to get ESU license might take another year.

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cbelt3@reddit

IT crowd classic: “What OS dos this bomb robot run ?” “Vista” “We are going to die !”

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Low-Tackle2543@reddit

It’s no different than any other job. Take for example painting the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco. As soon as the team finishes painting the bridge from one side to the other they immediately start over again. It’s a constant process that never ends. That’s what we in the business refer to as “job security.”

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fardaw@reddit

Yeah I wanted to comment as well that at least they're getting some job security from this. A boring sisyphean task still beats being out of a job, I guess.

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Low-Tackle2543@reddit

I’ve found that the most lucrative positions and job roles are dealing with difficult tasks that no one else wants to deal with. Less competition, stable work environment and predictable timelines. We’re essentially virtual garbage men, but without the union benefits.

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DiseaseDeathDecay@reddit

>They just finished removing Windows 7 and now have to start all over again. I've been at a medium sized enterprise for 18 years. This is just a continuous part of the job.

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bv728@reddit

This is truth. I helped with our client team move from XP to 7, swapped positions to Server Admin, went from 2003 EOL to 2008 EOL to 2012 EOL and the guy who took my position is now doing the 2016 EOL project. They all had the same project number in our financials systems because they just have an ongoing budget for the upgrade chain. And it happens on the Unix side too - we're a RHEL shop, and we've had to do RHEL 6 -> 7 -> 8 over four or five years and they're spinning up the 8-> 9 stuff now. Now, if you're good, you're working this ahead, but we're an allegedly agile company and wound up behind schedule and paying for extended support on several of these moves. It's a frustrating reality.

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DiseaseDeathDecay@reddit

Yep, we're RHEL,SUSE,AIX and Windows, so I get to deal with lots of different migrations/upgrades. At least upgrading RHEL works. We've tried upgrading Windows servers pretty much every new OS and find problems and just revert back to net-new for all refreshing.

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ExpressRevolution835@reddit

https://preview.redd.it/up0bextb6gzf1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=9527084f806eb2634e6fdf5b8afb3789ead385ba sooner or later

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AlmosNotquite@reddit

No one or at least only the IT folks have actually used the OS on a computer they have only used t he GUI switching to Linux is only hampered for the regar user because the GUI is different get over that hurdle and you are on easy street.

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AlmosNotquite@reddit

Start migrating to Win12 now and you have a shot at meeting the deadline. /s (it's Linux or death for me in the future)

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Cheomesh@reddit

Well, shit.

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Rtard25@reddit

The whole British mentality is extreme short term thinking and a quick buck over long-term sustainability. Why worry about keeping anything running when you can make £50 right this instant, don't worry about tht regular higher income you could make if you actually invested.... I spent 18 years working there and as a culture they don't think beyond their noses... Also remember still seeing Windows XP PCs in the NHS when everyone else was already on W10....

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iamtechspence@reddit

Godspeed

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ThiccSkipper13@reddit

windows 10 ESU will buy them a few more years

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Spagman_Aus@reddit

Yep and for Government, just a few & per device. They won’t have any other option really.

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