"Sky King," Richard Russell, wrote a short paragraph at some point before famously stealing a Q400 aircraft and executing a barrel roll before intentionally crashing
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Before his theft of an aircraft from the Seattle-Tacoma International Airport on Aug. 10th, 2018, Richard Russell wrote on two pages of a notebook that was recovered from his locker. The first was an unintelligible political comment; however, the second was of some interest to me.
It seems to be the writing of a frustrated individual who wished to contribute something to the world. I found the following, linked on Wikipedia, on page 199 of a released FBI report. This is the second page he wrote:
"He wanted to create something. Something with profound insight and charm. He had once been confident in his writing so he gave that a shot. During one of his many breaks at work he decided to go for it. Rather than use the down time to escape in books or social media he would use it to benefit his all mankind. He sat [in] the corner of the dilapidated locker room, searching for the concepts he wanted to convey. What did he know the most about? What did he feel strongly about? Several questions fizzed in his mind but no resolutions were made. It all felt so irrelevant. He was a cure. Nothing was worthy enough for the paper."
Chilling. I don't seek to glorify him or his actions. I was around at the time when it was a popular topic, and read the report today, and figured others might find his writings interesting as well.
Fishead6996@reddit
It is a fact that men live every day working. Thankless jobs, they will die being unknown to anyone, no history. Other than their name on a piece of paper, somewhere or in a computer record. Somehow he made a mark. Be it as it may, a mark. He will be remembered, something that a lot of men who have worked their entire lives to slave to their families and to their thankless jobs. Some who are married to ungrateful wives, not all but some, for the sacrifice he made every day. Being a man is a thankless job. No one cares, and when you die, no one cares, no remembrance, no subtitles of his life will ever make you a living legend of any type you won't be written into history books. You won't have monuments, you won't have a star on a sidewalk.You will work and you will give up everything throughout your entire life. Only to die alone inside yourself. That's the life of a man.
arosaki@reddit
This redditcel ass comment LMFAOOO
cardaderdention@reddit
Reminds of De Niro’s line in Heat “Normal? Fuck is that - barbecue’s and ball games?…”
saraeire@reddit
Why is it so important to be remembered? Lemme guess, you wanted kids for a "legacy".
Ok, tell me stories about your great-great-great-grandparents.
Sooner or later someone's gonna stop saying your name. Who cares? I don't need the validation.
If I were him, I wouldn't give 2 shits about randoms on the internet "remembering me" by giving me an idiotic nickname, & putting my last words to a cringey song.
You don't remember 'him'. You remember the last hour of a stranger's life, and whatever assumptions you've made that he can't dispel.
Wrong_Atmosphere_958@reddit
My partner worked for a year in ground crew operations. On peak seasons (April to november) he's rostered for 7 nights on, 7 off. From December to March he's rostered for 4 shifts on, 2 off. Can't request shifts, can't really request days off. Shifts were shite. Times are not fixed so he would be having shifts that starts at 4am, the next day could be earlier or later so the sleep hours is messed up. Not even factoring the travel hours back and forth the airport. The pay is only 15.81 per hour, day or night shift. On night shifts it's worse, the staff number would only be 3 or 4 at the start and they would be handling sometimes at max 30 or so flights. Then the pay for petrol, and tolls. And you can just see him slipping away into exhaustion. We had a kid and his 2nd week of paternity leave coincided on his week of days off after 7 nights and he was told that he can't get an extra week off even if it's filed as paternity leave week. People he worked with were also probably fed up with the job that they just go about lazy during the working hours which meant more work for him. One time there was a storm that affected our side of town and he was scolded when he called off sick cos the roads are blocked with fallen trees and the winds would make it unsafe for him to travel to work. One of the last straws. He left the job. He had a letter afterwards telling him he owe the company a little less than a grand because he was overpaid by the company. He still had some holidays left unclaimed at the time. That job will eat you alive. My son wouldn't have had a father to play and grow up with if he had continued to work there.
emknight1969@reddit
It's not just men. It's also true for many women.
Spiritedbunny84@reddit
...get that fat dick out of your mouth nobody can understand what you're saying.
Women have a far more exhausting life experience.
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Old-Cream6210@reddit
He really just needed some help, but no one gave it to him. Suicide is never the answer. I hope God forgives him.
Flashy-Elevator-7241@reddit
God forgave him already.
snoromRsdom@reddit
This dude stole a $33 million aircraft, put countless lives at risk, and then crashed it. Why do people keep dredging him up like he's some sort of folk hero or a poor, misunderstood guy?
He's was an attention-seeking, selfish criminal that cost his employer far more than he could earn in 5 lifetimes, even if he did "create something." There are far better things to do with your time that analyze notes in his personal notebook.
LazyGit@reddit
Because he was a racist blaming brown people for his problems so he gets lots of support from certain people.
Flashy-Elevator-7241@reddit
No, he actually wasn’t a racist. He was a bit ignorant though and was blaming the wrong issue.
ahhhhhhbees@reddit
I think a lot of people are unaware of his racism and kind of fall in love with the romantic idea of somebody with nothing to lose taking such a huge swing. It's not really about who he was as a person, it's all the footage and audio and the spectacle of the flight. That said, 100% agreed that there are people who support the idea that somehow his being white explains his mental health and lot in life. I heard what he said and any positive image I had of the "sky king" immediately died. I wish he got the help he needed but that's it.
LazyGit@reddit
Sure, but he's been hagiographied as 'The Sky King' by online racists and they lose their minds when you remind people of it.
Tuesday_Franklin@reddit
He didn’t put any lives at risk… at any point during that flight. He knew exactly what he was going.
theblooigloo@reddit
Not true, an untrained civilian flying a complex aircraft in a regulated airspace. Collision risk wiyh other aircraft since he’s not following a flight plan and just pure luck that he didn’t lose control of the bird and crash, many ways that could’ve happened.
theblooigloo@reddit
Agreed, no idea why you’re being blasted with downvotes
TogaPower@reddit
Don’t expect any rationality from this sub when it comes to this guy.
It’s purely luck that nobody else got hurt, because having an untrained individual steal and fly a complex aircraft is inherently dangerous to everyone in the vicinity regardless of his intentions. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.
I get that how mental illnesses are viewed has a long way to go in the community, but glorifying this guy with nicknames like “Sky King” or claiming he executed a “perfect” barrel roll is just typical, silly Reddit behavior.
No reasonable person looks at the incident fondly.
No_Summer4551@reddit
Yeah the “Fly High Sky King” shit is just glorifying this dude. I have empathy that he struggled with his mental health but he shouldn’t be glorified like that. Easy to see another guy trying to be the next Sky King
abnmfr@reddit
I'd infinitely prefer another Sky King to another school shooter.
Responsible_Craft_31@reddit
Fly. High. Sky. King.
eswifttng@reddit
Fly high, sky king
Zog1@reddit
Exactly!!!!!!!!!
That's why males/guy's give him a salute.
The upper management (making millions) were going to fuck over their staff and he made a statement for the people on the ground doing the hard yards.
Listen to the whole recording goes for about 1 and half hours. he was thinking about landing but why bother when you'd only get fucked over anyway
BleaKrytE@reddit
I agree. But there's also something very haunting and somewhat poetic about the thoughts of a man in that situation.
And that one aircraft, as you say, cost more than his earnings over 5 lifetimes is something to be reflected upon I think.
No_Summer4551@reddit
Not really. Nothing about what he did was profound or poetic. It was safe and wasteful
Former-Philosophy259@reddit
i am also suicidal and to me it was profound, poetic and beautiful.
High_Barron@reddit (OP)
I understand that feeling.
Just know he, and many others, seemed to regret his actions after committing to them. All the best
xVelehkSainx@reddit
Dude..you suck lol
Bodaciousdrake@reddit
It’s not about him. It’s about us. It’s about understanding how someone could get to the point of doing what he did so we can understand how to help others feeling how he was feeling.
As an aside, “sad and wasteful” is the theme of quite a lot of poetry that many find to be profound.
High_Barron@reddit (OP)
The cost of which was also paid out by his employer’s insurance, per Wikipedia
MalachiteKell@reddit
That which can be destroyed by a single employee should be destroyed by a single employee. If one person can do that much damage, maybe you shouldn't trust them that much and hire two people instead.
xVelehkSainx@reddit
Bot account lol
C4-621-Raven@reddit
It should? That’s some messed up logic. Like myself or any of my coworkers could get in a B787 or B777 right now, start it up and run it into the maintenance hangar at full power all alone. It would cause probably $3-5 billion in damage. We don’t do anything like that though because that’s insane behaviour.
I really hope you’re unemployed or just put fries in a bag. I wouldn’t trust someone with your logic not to break the bag though.
rnolan20@reddit
What a retarded statement
discombobulated38x@reddit
Is it really that incomprehensible that people who could never dream of owning a 33m USD aircraft would view a person broken by the society they lived in stealing a dash 8,executing a perfect barrel roll before crashing said aircraft, hurting nobody but himself and the bank balance of two fabulously wealthy corporations as a folk hero.
A folk hero being someone whose deeds are embedded in popular consciousness?
Sky king is the literal definition of a folk hero.
aka_Handbag@reddit
Based on the video I think we have different definitions of “perfect barrel roll”.
discombobulated38x@reddit
He did start a little low to be fair
Zestyclose-Baby-1358@reddit
Eat shit 😋
Interesting_Study998@reddit
You could have just wrote “I have no empathy or insight into others.”
FreedomActive@reddit
This guy is a dick for what he did. Literally no RIP anything from me. He stole and put lives in for his own selfishness. Asshole! Complete idiot.
Flashy-Elevator-7241@reddit
He was going through a major mental health crisis and likely felt that telling people would burden them. That doesn’t make him a dick or an asshole.
I worked in suicide prevention for two years. Your comment isn’t helpful or even clever. It’s incredibly ignorant.
Electronic_Pirate866@reddit
Boy, I bet your loadss of fun to be around. I hope you never have to deal with depression & mental illness.. you sir are the asshole! Complete idiot.
chefpowpow@reddit
Knew them both. His wife loved him. He was a sweet guy. She suffered and I doubt that she remarried. The whole families were racked to the core. I pray for both of them. So dsmn sad.
theblooigloo@reddit
I was thinking about this after i heard about this incident. Did he leave behind any kids?
chefpowpow@reddit
No kids. They had a bakery here in town for a few years. Dreams went up in smoke however ans they moved to Washington to be closer to the parents. Such s mad times for her.
ResponsibilityOld164@reddit
maybe not the time to post about plane crashes
BrownNSticky@reddit
What do you mean?
High_Barron@reddit (OP)
I just heard. Bad timing
Responsible_Craft_31@reddit
It's not bad timing. You're fine. Those are eggshells that don't need to be tiptoed around.
ResponsibilityOld164@reddit
You’re good, it’s a fascinating story.
Responsible_Craft_31@reddit
If this was a real concern you wouldn't be able to post anything because something is always happening. Unless the sin is knowing about it and still posting, which doesn't address a potential reader having been made aware of concurrent events and reading it, and also gives power to the whole "oh I didn't read that" excuse which would work for you and not mean one bit of a shit to me.
Seems a bit silly for a concept, the whole bad timing thing because of what I assume are concerns about other people's feelings.
Outside-Apricot-2026@reddit
Can we see the so called " unintelligible" political papper?
Revolutionary-Mix-61@reddit
Yo did you find it I found the do unsent but the black and white picture is pretty illegible
High_Barron@reddit (OP)
Page 198 of the linked document I believe
samistheboss@reddit
Delusions of grandeur are common in many different types of mental illness. The fact that anyone could consider stealing and crashing an airplane to be their greatest contribution to society is sad indeed, and as you said, not worth glorifying.
Zog1@reddit
No Delusions.
No mental health issues.
This was a guy wanting to do something more but that was changed/taken away..
The wife hasn't publicly said but she got married to someone else within a year after this guy committed suicide, I could easily see him being told he's being divorced and it was due to him not earning enough money as he brings up the lack of money.
Then he says he missed his family and he always had to do something else and couldn't see them, he took the baggage handler job to get cheaper flights but it's a 24/7 shift work job there's very few holiday days to take.
He said the upper management drove people into the ground and they never cared, the upper management decided to start cutting people and lowering wages and I think he was going to get a pay cut but couldn't really take that.
He stole the plane because it'd cost the upper management more and make a statement that people weren't happy but did the job because it was a job.
You need to listen to the whole recording before saying much.
Most of his social media and stuff has been wiped these days, but he still has a Youtube channel with some videos and a wordpress page.
That is where the quote comes from
Nomza@reddit
This is pretty hurtful speculation. He and his wife had a newborn son when he did this. Some men can suffer from post partum depression.
Loose_Ad7790@reddit
He absolutely did not have any children.
Mean_Specific5298@reddit
Are u sure Hannah and rich had a newborn? Where did u read that I didn’t see anything about it I looked everywhere
Nomza@reddit
The wife has posted about it on TikTok.
Mean_Specific5298@reddit
Link please if u can sorry to bother just can’t find it
Vivid-Football5220@reddit
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8qT3gjV/
fart0id@reddit
is that his wife and child? because the caption doesn't make much sense.
Nomza@reddit
From memory it uses the 21 pilots drag path song and it’s a photo of them together and over the top it’s written something like the day after this photo he left me and our newborn baby.
Mean_Specific5298@reddit
Thank you that’s insane you don’t happen to know her tiktok username do you?
Nomza@reddit
Nah I’m so sorry I didn’t even know who sky king was when I saw it and then ended up here when I looked it up. If I come across it again I will come back and link.
Mean_Specific5298@reddit
What??? Omg really? I have looked everywhere for her speaking out where can I find it can u please please send me the link I’ll be forever grateful
Mean_Specific5298@reddit
Are you talking about Hannah?? I have dug and dug and dug into everything about this story so much and I’m here for the hundredth time I could not find anything on her but I kept seeing people saying she married a year after so if that’s true that’s absolutely disgusting I know people grieve differently and maybe she was angry but I dunno I know it wouldn’t be me. I had a feeling it had something to do with her and calling a divorce though I didn’t think about her divorcing him due to the money that point u made was a good one I feel like he moved to where she wanted and he wasn’t happy there and I think that’s selfish of her I could be 100% wrong and I am I apolgize but from what I’m seeing a lot lines up. How did u find out she married ? Can u confirm it?
GeekinMeOut@reddit
This is so heart breaking. 🥺💔
Banditodesid@reddit
I hope one of his managers got fired. But probably didnt. Corporates are harsh masters. I know this. I work in what I call the death camp. No one is happy. No one cares .
najamsaqib9849@reddit
Damn it hurts.
Imperium_Dragon@reddit
Yeah. It’s not hard to imagine him losing control and crashing into a bunch of traffic.
Top-Pop-6540@reddit
Sure, it’s not hard to imagine. However, I find this is the problem with most of society. Even when it doesn’t happen, people still imagine the worst case scenario. The facts remain the same, he didn’t physically hurt anyone other than himself. His actions are selfish because he hurt every single person who loved him. Those are the people we should be considering.
Top_Cupcake_5616@reddit
people who say suicide is selfish are narcissistic assholes. When you get to that point in your life you are in so much mental and emotional pain. In agony. And it never stops. It doesnt go away. The world around you keeps moving but on the inside, youre already dying. Its like being tortured. Then you have people coming around saying that is so selfish. Right. I have family and friends who have committed suicide. No one in my family said it was selfish. We said we were selfish. To not notice that my cousin was in so much mental torment that he felt that was the only way out. That death was the only way he could get any peace. At least now, he has it. Yes, my cousin was 26. He was also my best friend. I love him like he was my brother. But because I love him so much I definitely didnt want to force him to live with those demons for the rest of his life. He already lived with them since he was 7. That was long enough. Fuck anyway saying that suicide is selfish. I hope you can one day experience that darkness. You will have a change of heart. Just because your words devastate people. At least the sky king went out the way he wanted. Seeing something beautiful. My cousin choose something far worse.
KazakhPatriot16@reddit
I thought he would’ve. I’m surprised he pulled off some so-called unrecoverable maneuvers. He was mentally ill but also just on a massive ego trip.
TheCameraman___@reddit
Definitely not ego. He had severe depression. No ego there.
Banditodesid@reddit
No. Not ego. Just going out on his terms. Thats not ego its the end result of a terrible illness that catches so many but so little is done about it. Governments would rather catch you speeding at 5kmh over than give real assistance to someone suffering..They did nothing to help me and in fact made it far worse by literally putting me in a prison cell. What do you think I did when I got out 24 hrs later ? Thats how they "help" you cant fine a sick person but someone doing 5kmh over the speed limit gets their attention
GurDazzling4027@reddit
It's the fact that no one takes mental health issue seriously is what is being glorified. There must have been a thousand different ways. This man even in the smallest of gestures showed that there was a problem in no matter if people noticed it or not, It was never addressed. And that is a problem. It's a problem a 28-year-old man is so sad and feel so helpless that his only outlet is to no longer exist on Earth. Leaving everyone who has ever known and loved him behind to hurt. Mental health issues need to be taken seriously. You can do drugs and then when you try to stop doing drugs everyone's supposed to feel bad for you and apparently that's a disease. But you could be struggling with mental health your entire life and not one person could take it seriously, trust me I know.
Satur9_is_typing@reddit
this. it's delusional, in extreme cases it's easy to see as a messianic ego trip, but when it's not so pronounced it's more like "why aren't people listening to my answers"
if someone really wants to help it starts with listening to what help is being requested, the flow of information is literally the reverse of the ego driven kind of helper.
depression is a hell of a condition. in this guys case it seened like all he lacked was the right kind of guidance to turn things around tbh. a genuine victim of loneliness.
and while he shouldn't be glorified, credit where it's due, a lot of very lonely, ill people seem to want to take it out on others, but all this guy gave the world when he left was a sweet barrel roll
mauxly@reddit
Maybe maybe it wasn't that, so much as he simply hadn't thought of it that way?
I see a person having a breakdown, feeling crushed by the weighr of this existance, and not just for him, but for everyone.
Wishing he could do something (not seeing the thing in front of him) and giving up hope, and going out the way he wanted to go out.
Satur9_is_typing@reddit
i was using strong words but people forcing solutions on others rather than listening first is incredibly common. and because they think they are "helping" they get very put out when their idea of help is rejected. it doesn't make the unwanted helper a bad person, just misguided. that's what i'm seeing.
a similar but more extreme version is the "free energy" movement - they all want to save mankind, but not so much they would accept what the laws of thermodynamics are telling them
or in the most extreme cases, billionaires trying to assuage unaddressed guilt by chasing impossible solutions. see musk rejecting good advice to build his magical robot solution to rescue kids from an undersea cave, and how he rejected the experienced person who understood the problem.
Vector151@reddit
Exactly. Feelings of hopeless and suffering are meaningless with guidance. /s
I also understand your point. People need to realize that hurting businesses by crashing their airframes is bad.
This is the most important point! People, please consider that you might cost others money in the final acts of your life. If you're that sad and depressed, please make sure you don't inconvenience others through insurance claims. Businesses might be harmed!
Satur9_is_typing@reddit
i think you've misunderstood my comments and should maybe re-read them and reconsider your own response in a calmer frame of mind?
Vector151@reddit
If you aren't going to agree with me under any circumstance, what more needs to be said? There's no chance I'd ever change my positions or feelings on the matter.
Satur9_is_typing@reddit
I wasn't talking about business, that's not what i was referring too. and i do have some understanding about depression. whatever you are trying to say isn't coming through because you are masking it with sarcasm. hence i suggested you try again, but use your words.
or you can do that "i'm never changing my position" thing if that's working out for you, but if that's the case, why even reply? i'm all ears but you've got to say something worth saying first.
Useful-Parsnip-3598@reddit
coming from someone that's been there, there is barely any ego left when you're suicidal. ego exists when people still care about themselves
Banditodesid@reddit
Yep. I was there and continue to keep the black dog from my door. Zero ego at the deep dark point where just existing hurts and you just want the pain to end.
Dahcchad@reddit
Having also been there, I suspect that there aren't many black and white statements to be made about the way a person feels when theyre on that edge. I can identify a bit with how he felt. In my case, I was built up through my life and saddled with great expectation. In my early twenties, the future was laid out and I deeply believed I could achieve whatever I wanted. As time moves on and those options narrow through the closing of doors and one's own acceptance of one's actual capability, it can really drag a person down to a place where you believe what you thought you could achieve is unattainable. You look at the next 40 years, every day the same as the last and every day the same as everyone else, and you begin to wonder if you want to go through all that time of unremarkability for the few moments of joy that you might find. You decide you dont and all thats left is that one thing you want to do before you call it a day, if youre lucky enough to have that last little pleasure.
MichaelSonOfMike@reddit
I don’t think people glorify it. I think people have a profound respect and empathy for people with demons and mental illness. To me the “glorification” is just people having compassion for a man in such crisis, that he felt the need to do what he did.
simpleanswersjk@reddit
Look. Idk. Did you listen to the audio? It doesn’t matter. We’re all so so small. Diminutives and divorced often of those areas/situations/contexts/communities/relationships where we can feel not small. Meaningful. I wasn’t the only one to feel weird, however, moved, in complicated, uncomfortable ways listening to him in that cockpit. In that sense it is a splash larger than otherwise. Dangerous thinking, I get it, and reckless. And stupid. But human? I think. Guy became everyone’s intrusive thoughts manifested into flesh and turns out they aren’t all that grand when playing out in real time. And but there’s some pathetic about that in that in its original, pathos sense. It’s fucked up but his actions correspond to what he wrote and he was mentally probably unable to access that function of the brain that we might call “most me” (sober) but he was strangely, interiorly reasonable. And must have been feeling powerful emotions. The whole thing lives on in my head.
krayzie-4TheW@reddit
Homeostasis isnt it.
AlbatrossExisting291@reddit
'Omeostasis Innit?
my-redditing-account@reddit
I dont think he stole it out of illusions of grandeur, listening to the audio, he just wanted a fun/beautiful last moment before suicide. This writing being connected in this way just feels diminutive/unfair almost
Tuesday_Franklin@reddit
That’s really oversimplifying what happened. This was clearly a complicated man, going through a difficult time. He felt small and insignificant, he didn’t think that hijacking an empty plane would contribute to society, it was him having a final hoorah before he peaced out. I think it was a truly devastating end to what could have been a long, fulfilling journey to becoming an old man. There’s so much more he could have done but he felt helpless. If you can’t read between the lines of what he wrote then I guess it says more about you and your lack of depth and empathy than it does about him. If you’ve never had suicidal ideations then I guess it would be difficult to understand… or maybe you do but it’s easier to avoid thinking too hard about it because it simply too sad… and I would get that too.
Eyehopeuchoke@reddit
I remember getting a phone call from my friend asking if I was seeing this plane flying crazy low and doing weird stuff. Shortly after that phone call it was all over the news! A lot of people were really scared when it was happening and they didn’t know what was going on.
philldafunk@reddit
I hate how this dude is glorified, this wasn't heroic it was dangerous and selfish.
Ok-Supermarket2137@reddit
The keyword here, IMHO, is the selfishness of it. And that's the gruesome nature of ending it all is that you don't even really grasp how much of an affect that has on the people around you and what kind of damages it can bring. It's only compounded by the horrific nature of the act and how preventable it could have been if only they had let others try to help them. It's a struggle but nobody has to go through things alone.
Mean_Specific5298@reddit
I get that but sometimes people cant be helped. I’m sure his family especially his wife is heartbroken and will never ever be able to get the closure they need which is awful to say but I’m saying I see your pov & hear your opinion I totally respect it but from what I read his family did give him a intervention and they had said he seemed better but that he had started drinking a lot that part is kind of fuzzy for me I don’t remember if he was drinking before the intervention or after I know most interventions are because of that but he still did what he did I think he was tired of holding on so he did what he thought was right and of course it wasn’t it’s a horrible sad ending but at the same time I can’t help but lean toward understanding him as well.
caspersun54@reddit
And THAT'S the selfish part! He said he didn't want to hurt anyone, and I'm assuming he meant physically, by crashing and killing people, but he took that chance anyway. He was untrained; had never flown, or even taken lessons, so he risked killing people, despite not wanting to. He hurt his family, friends, every single person that cared about him. Now, they not only have to live with his suicide, but it will always be attached to the sensationalism it caused. It's not that I don't feel, deeply for his inner turmoil, but what he did, in the end made it about him, and only him. In effect, he basically said no one else mattered.
caspersun54@reddit
I agree, to a point. I haven't seen so much glorifying, as people maybe. . rationalizing, or understanding the state of mind he was in. I can certainly feel for someone hurting that deeply, but what he did, despite saying he didn't want to hurt anyone, hurt a lot of people. He could have killed a lot of people, being untrained and obviously having no real plan, but I'm talking about his family and friends, anyone who cared about him. That's not to mention the air traffic controllers, and everyone else on the ground having to deal with that. I read somewhere that he was married and had an infant son. If that's true - and even if it's not - what an incredibly selfish, "poor me, I'm the only one that's hurting"-type attitude!! Depression is a horrible thing, but selfishness of that caliber is so much worse.
theblooigloo@reddit
I know right? I just found out about this case and you’re like the only reasonable comment on reddit literally everyone else is glorifying this guy wtf
Mean_Specific5298@reddit
Yeah no I won’t glorify what he did not at all I know that wasn’t the right move buuut I also won’t say I don’t feel for him bc I 100% and knew where he was coming from
philldafunk@reddit
HULU is making a documentary on him -_-
Mean_Specific5298@reddit
Oh I know I can’t wait. Iv been counting the days. Tuesday I’m a true crime enthusiast so I’m really excited
Mean_Specific5298@reddit
I dunno about anyone else but as a true crime enthusiast and that has studied his story in particular for years and still on it I can tell you I’m not glorifying what he did. However I can see why he did what he did. He wasn’t in a good state of mind the world is a realllly cruddy place esp nowadays and he was beyond frustrated and sometimes you just get to the point where you give up. I wish he hadn’t and I hate that he was my age and went out the way he did but he even stated multiple times he didn’t wanna hurt anyone. They gave him options and places to land and he said “nah I wouldn’t wanna hurt anyone or land there and mess anything up” he even apologized for ruining the persons day that was talking to him on the transcript. I’ll never forget his story that’s one that’s stuck with me for so long
No-Doctor-8816@reddit
No need for glorification, I agree. It's obvious he wasn't well. And, unfortunately, one that isn't at his level of unwellness will never understand his actions. I'm not even sure there is anything to understand. He was unwell and did unwell things up to its natural conclusion in this case.
WendigoDarkling@reddit
This is ground control to Sky King Rich Your barrel roll kicked ass! RIP
rach_ella_elle@reddit
Amen.
DracoMommy@reddit
I disagree with your analysis 100%. He wasn’t on an ego trip. He was in pain. And he wanted to be relevant like we all do. That isn’t ego that is searching for purpose and I would argue he would be more infamous than any of us would ever dream to be. RIP SkyKing.
Significant_Elk1999@reddit
You’re right. Ego doesn’t search. It basks in its own glow, so to speak. This guy was clearly hurting. You can hear it in his voice at times.
FreedomActive@reddit
Want to be relevant is 10000000% EGO DRIVEN. Guy was an idiotic, narcissistic Dumbass Asshole.
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CatholicKavanagh@reddit
There's a starmaaaaaan!
Master_virgin20@reddit
Fly high sky king
Old-Cream6210@reddit
Respectfully, I cannot give praise to someone who committed suicide. We need to stop praising it because it only encourages people to do it more.
PossessionFirst1277@reddit
I know everyone is giving you crap for your comment but I agree with you 100%
rm0234@reddit
Then don’t comment
DiamineViolets4Roses@reddit
Respectfully, I have difficulty seeing how you think someone’s life - or the end thereof - is something on which you ought to be consulted.
Further, if someone were considering it, your judgmental attitude risks encouraging them rather than discouraging them.
ggamingxa@reddit
totally agree with this, as someone who went through suicide crisis, getting that judgment from others was what drove me more into madness
eddie_cat@reddit
Does hearing about other people committing suicide make you jealous? Because it sounds like you think it's some fun fad people hear about and have to try lol
Old-Cream6210@reddit
I'm most certainly not jealous. Why tf would I want to kill myself?!
eddie_cat@reddit
But I thought other people committing suicide encouraged you to do it?
Responsible_Craft_31@reddit
Lol got em
eddie_cat@reddit
lol i appreciate this week late response after having been downvoted initially
StannisTheMantis93@reddit
Oh yeah? How many people have gone on to copy him since he was major news?
Old-Cream6210@reddit
Suicide rates are at an all time high right now especially here in the US. This isn't good. I understand people go through tough periods, but suicide should never be an option.
CharcoalGreyWolf@reddit
Spoken like a true someone who has never experienced a major mental health crisis, who has never had lifelong treatment resistant major depressive disorder.
This isn’t an insult; rather, I’d suggest trying to better understand what someone with mental health issues is going through. Your thoughts don’t display that you have a clear understanding of the suffering involved.
Old-Cream6210@reddit
I actually have experienced a mental health crisis during the pandemic, so I do understand. It's kinda ironic that people will preach about helping mental people but once it gets to suicide, they immediately back out. If you truly want to help someone recover, you would do everything you can to help them. You wouldn't just sit there and let them suffer.
CharcoalGreyWolf@reddit
I’ve never backed out in such a situation -that said, the way you phrased this comes off as very nearsighted. If you said “Suicide should never be an option” to someone who was depressed and having suicidal ideations, how do you believe they’d interpret that? As a positive, or as something they should feel guilty for, or as a take from someone who doesn’t understand them?
Old-Cream6210@reddit
I certainly wouldn't tell them that, but I certainly would try to find ways to get them help.
AppearanceOk6112@reddit
As long as there's free will, it's an option alright;)
Schmittfried@reddit
Maybe let people decide for themselves, it’s their lives. Suicide prevention is important and many people who were stopped could turn around and be thankful later. But the first step in reaching people is to stop patronizing them.
I‘m quite sure this has 0% to do with someone calling that guy sky king, and 100% to do with America’s huge systemic issues.
Also, I never really saw the nickname as glorifying suicide. It’s just a kind of last honor, as a human being, and for pulling this off without harming anyone.
Ok_Needleworker2438@reddit
It’s crazy how so many people can relate.
Mental illness is so rough.
Fly High Sky King.
Go_Loud762@reddit
You misspelled loser.
ironpony1688@reddit
I dont think it was ego. It was an excuse to be able to do the unthinkable . (Stealing the plane). It was impulsive . He probably had a lot of "what if i did this" thoughts. Like what if i just stole a plane and did a bunch of barrels rolls then just flew it into the ground. I wish the controller told him no of course its not life in prison. I will hekp you land it so your family and friends can hold you again. Do not do this..shit anything was better than what wasn't said. He was provably depressed for a while and those impulsive thoughts won. And once he was there he felt he had to. He may not have had the nerve to do it before, but once he stole the plane impulsively and thought welp my life is over so im gonna finish what I started. It was the easier way for him to commit suicide m, opposed to actually holding a gun to once head or using a rope. He didnt want to feel physical pain at all. And knew with a plain crash its lights out forever. Guns ropes and other ways you can feel physical pain if it gets screwed up. Or become a vegetable .. have a disfigured face. The plane offers a scenic thrill ride and ultimate death, no doubt. And like I said... the excuse, "well now I gotta do it."
sunnyseaa@reddit
I lived across the way from where he ended up going down and saw the barrel roll before it dropped past the treeline. All I can say to be kind is depression is an immense inescapable cloud.
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Banditodesid@reddit
Yep. I see it more like a deep deep inky black oppressive cave
Tulvane@reddit
It's tragic how frustration can lead to such extreme actions.
High_Barron@reddit (OP)
Indeed. I wouldn’t say he created anything, his actions allowed for others to feel for him though. If nothing else, an interesting way to die
Safe_Can_2370@reddit
He created the permanent record that a Q400 can, in fact, execute a barrel roll. That information may not be very useful but it was unlikely to become known any other way!
CurrencyIll7195@reddit
I mean it was a tragedy, but if you want to get at least one good thing out of it, he legitimately exposed a big security risk in airports.
Better a broken guy trying to see the sky one more time be the guy to exploit it than someone with actual malicious intent to do it. After this way stricter safety measures were implemented in all airports nationwide.
Rest in peace sky king.
Mayon2022@reddit
Was the worst barrel roll in history
Safe_Can_2370@reddit
Considering it’s the first time he flew a plane, and he didn’t crash doing the barrel roll, I think it wasn’t terrible
Mayon2022@reddit
Did you even see it ? :) You need to end up on same heading and altitude. And I was there. Thank God the F 15s were waiting for him to crash into the sound but wanting to give him the benefit to land
Tuesday_Franklin@reddit
I bet you couldn’t do it.
Mayon2022@reddit
I've done it . Several times : )
ArtaxWasRight@reddit
Oh indeed, the worst!
In other news, my preschooler wrote a sonnet the other day, and it’s derivative dreck. Really middlebrow.
HuyFongFood@reddit
Browsing Reddit and the ads are right on target….
Hullo_Its_Pluto@reddit
I can’t stop laughing
Logical_Drawing_9433@reddit
did you stop now?
pri_ncekin@reddit
I think they laughed to death :(
shehitsdiff@reddit
Good
Round-Technician3644@reddit
Stfu
kandykorn7@reddit
Are you still laughing?
Special-Outcome-3233@reddit
Lol
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Ok-Print-1459@reddit
He accomplished what he wanted in the most desperate way possible. Which ultimately didn’t contribute to anything besides mass media. However, he solidified himself in history. Wish I could’ve picked his brain a little
x002o@reddit
racist
High_Barron@reddit (OP)
what?
NoProfession8024@reddit
Dude sucked. Stole a commercial plane (bad on Alaska airlines for making them easy to steal tho) and recklessly flew it over a large metropolitan area causing an air defense squadron to scramble out of Portland to intercept him and shoot him down since we didn’t know wtf his intentions were. Nice of him to crash on an unpopulated island in the puget sound instead of slamming into the Space Needle. But being depressed and sounding sad on the radio while ATC is vectoring the air force to come kill you and also convince you not to do a crappy 9/11 sequel does not generate sympathy from me nor should it from the general public.
AbjectAsshole@reddit
He just like me fr fr
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OkSatisfaction9850@reddit
If you want to help society - collect trash from the streets in your free time. Don’t steal and crash planes. It is not difficult
stimpyvan@reddit
Captain fucking Buzzkill.