If you haven't, go watch Masters of the Air
Posted by yuvattar@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 203 comments
Holy shit.
I didn't know this series existed until a few days ago. After binge watching the thing, I gotta say it's one of the best things I've ever watched.
My childhood dream was becoming a pilot, but life had other plans for me. Shows like this make me yearn for wings in a way I can't explain. It's like I miss it, even though I've never lived it.
That together with this beautifully told story is more than enough to make a grown man cry. If you haven't watched it, go watch it. If you've already watched it, take this as a sign to go watch it again; I sure as hell will.
Captainrexcody@reddit
Was just ok. Flying scenes were great but the rest wasn’t anything to write home about. Nothing tops Band of Brothers yet for the quality, story, characters and action
NoGiCollarChoke@reddit
I was surprised when I saw a bunch of people complaining about the flying scenes. I thought they were the only good part. Did a great job in showing how dangerous being a bomber crewman was.
The rest of the show was a complete mess IMO, with random plotlines and characters that would either appear out of nowhere or disappear without ever being resolved and with all of the main guys minus Rosenthal (whose insane wartime career is portrayed pretty poorly with many of his crazy experiences just being cut out entirely) being portrayed as obnoxious dickheads who also never really interact in any meaningful way and the rest of the bomber crewmen just being random background characters.
smarmageddon@reddit
The flying scenes were very weak and are what really took me out of it. I get that they need to use a lot of greenscreen to recreate things and places that no longer exist, but it was so pervasive in every scene (even on the ground) and was poorly comped in a lot of shots that it became a huge distraction. The production quality just wasn't up to BoB or The Pacific. It simply looks like they didn't have anywhere near the budget of those landmark shows.
twoidesofrecoil@reddit
I hope you’re sat down - this shit cost $250 million
smarmageddon@reddit
That sure paid for a lot of greenscreen!
twoidesofrecoil@reddit
Think of how huge a 250mil green screen could be! Easily the largest in history.
WildeWeasel@reddit
The flare and oversaturation really took me out of it. The worst was one of the shots when they were on the ground sitting around the bomber in North Africa and the saturation was out of control.
jtshinn@reddit
Or equipment. The two previous miniseries had tons of ability to collect actual material from uniforms to tents to trucks and even tanks to use for practical effects. Masters of the air had none of that. I think they did a good job in spite of that. BoB also was able to follow the same cast of characters through a very linear progression across Europe. The pacific less so because they would pop in and out of combat zones regularly. Then mota was that on steroids as they would literally go in and out of deep combat through the course of a few hours in the air. It really changes how you have to tell that story.
smarmageddon@reddit
Totally agree that their lack of physical props and locations really cheapened the show. I'm guessing they simply lacked the time and budget to go that route and shot the whole thing on a greenscreen backlot. ALso, CGI planes are not necessarily bad, but how they are staged is critical to believability. TG2 did it right (even with all their claims of "no CGI" bs) by filming real planes, then replacing them with CGI versions. It creates a feeling of heavy machines moving properly through air while being filmed from another (real) plane, but it's also very expensive. When they fly CGI planes around in a CGI environment, it just looks like cheap video game cutscenes.
I get that the air crews died at an alarming rate and that should be reflected in the story, but it was hard to latch on to any charismatic characters. I watched a few eps and just couldn't be bothered to watch the whole thing, even though I love ww2 aviation and planes in general.
Mispunt@reddit
Oh yes, it was definitely not up to par. Pulled me out as well.
swift1883@reddit
Maybe that’s on purpose. You got that local girl hooking up with that bomber guy. Maybe, maybe, maybe it will be something. And the next day he’s dead. New characters have arrived. And that’s how it went for a lot of the real ones, too.
Morlanticator@reddit
I don't ever expect anything to match Band of Brothers. The Pacific was good but not as much of course.
I've yet to watch Masters of the Air partially out of spite for it only being on Apple TV. Plus my grandpa was so proud of having flown B17's I have ti prepare myself emotionally when I finally do.
He did great things his whole life but he was most proud if that.
FourFunnelFanatic@reddit
Can we stop comparing shows that aren’t supposed to be like Band of Brothers to Band of Brothers?
javlarm8@reddit
Not when it produced by Tom Hanks and Speilberg and was heavily marketed as a companion peice and spiritual successor to Band of Brothers and The Pacific. Then you get that comparison.
xpiav8r@reddit
My main problem with this is the name. The USAAF were certainly not masters of the air for a couple of years in the ETO and got the shit shot out of them early on. It took time to turn the tide against a much superior force
bcbum@reddit
It’s gotten so old. Band of Brothers is one of the best shows of all time. Not everything needs to be that quality to be very enjoyable. Let’s just enjoy the stuff we have rather than comparing everything to a 24 year old show.
whatsupsirrr@reddit
Agreed. My test of a good WW2 show or movie is if it can make me weep by the end. This show nailed it.
nickgasm@reddit
I don't think it's unfair to compare them in some regards.
Yes they're quite different shows, but at the end of the day, Masters of the Air is officially a companion piece to Band of Brothers and The Pacific, with all three having the same producers.
Merker6@reddit
The CGI was over the top. They elected for action over suspense, which was a real shame. They didn’t need to have insane action sequences when they were doing some of the most dangerous jobs in the USAAF
Nonions@reddit
I have to agree, the battle scenes made WW2 air combat look like Star Wars. I can understand the artistic choice but it felt like there was way too much going on.
BunkerBuster420@reddit
I love the dogfight scenes in Dunkirk.
CleanEnergyFuture331@reddit
I find it hard to compare character development. IMO Masters of the Air did a phenomenal job of showing how quickly airman perished and how quickly the new crews came in. The airborne wasnt like that. Once on the ground they were a well trained, elite group. Bomber groups had no control of life or death. Just pray to god flak didn't blow up their lumbering bus.
FestivusFan@reddit
It should have been 2-3 seasons
TheBoneIdler@reddit
I am on episode 8 of the 9. Numbers 1 to say 6 were good, focused on the bomber group. After that we get fairly uninteresting stories involving a British spy lady & her lovelorn US navigator captain, a story about US POW's & a completely unrelated story about black US fighter pilots. The series completely lost its way mid-series. We have had marvellous British RAF movies, such as Battle of Britain. Dam Busters & 633 Squadron, so a focus on the pilots, mission pkannibg & mission execution does work, but this show seemed to think we had such short attention spans we needed three stories all going at the same time. I haven't read the book the series is based on yet, but surely the book is not haring off in three directions at once? Unfortunately, the series is a curates egg. Good in parts & bad in parts.
clarksworth@reddit
I spent 3-4 really nice months in the prop team who made the replica B17s. I reproduced all the dials, gauges, labels, radio controls, placards, signs, paperwork etc (so a very small total contribution in the scale of things). The planes were essentially made as per the real B17 from the plans - we had dudes hand-rolling sheet metal to fit, all the frames were made etc. it was truly astonishing to watch them come together. There were 2 full planes and then a variety of interior sections. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a detailed and well-cared for movie build. I didn’t know much about WWII planes when I started but 2 months inside those things (including the fucking ball turret) gave me a new understanding and respect for the people in those planes.
I was amazed it didn’t get a second series or that they didn’t even really show the plane interiors that much - I don’t recall any time spent in the radio bay for example. They could have done so much interesting stuff cinematically with those planes as they were full shootable, 360 degree “real” sets.
Company that made them was BGI Supplies if you want to look them up.
JakeEaton@reddit
Amazing work. Once again the SFX and prop teams get let down by shit directors.
yuvattar@reddit (OP)
That's amazing dude, what a cool fucking job. Congratulations for being a part of something so great, shame it wasn't shown more, but still, amazing stuff.
Arist0tles_Lantern@reddit
Yeah they completely wasted those sets when you saw the final product on screen. A real shame.
dookitron@reddit
I thought it paled in comparison to Band of Brothers and the Pacific. The CGI in a lot of the flight scenes was horrendous, especially when fighters were involved. Focusing on a select number of characters also cheapened it when nameless scores of airmen just shot down with no time to dwell on it during or after their sorties. The pacing of it also felt really disjointed.
Designer_Buy_1650@reddit
The bombing by the US in WW2 is beyond comprehension. Movies like this help, but don’t do it justice. My uncle was shot down (B17) on July 20, 1944. The bombing missions that day included about 1900 aircraft (1200 bombers, 700 fighters escorting). Think about those kind of numbers.
His mission was to bomb Leipzig in Germany. Thick cloud cover made them change their target to Kosten in Poland. He parachuted and was captured by citizens who started stoning him. Believe it or not the German soldiers saved him from the citizens. He was a POW until the end of the war.
Taki_Minase@reddit
The ground shook when the thousand bomber raids occurred, the noise must have been something to behold.
Designer_Buy_1650@reddit
It killed thousands of people. Most innocent civilians. It was war and it sucked.
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withateethuh@reddit
Even excluding the genocidal acts it killed millions. An absolute tragedy, and the behavior of axis early on (like the indiscriminate bombing of london) lowered the bar for what was deemed acceptable in response. They raped and pillaged (japan included for obvious reasons) like the truly thought none of this could blow back, and unfortunately for their civilian populations, it very much did.
I was recently reading about the civilian death toll when they were softening up the france for d day, and I had no idea how many civilians we killed. Its so sad that any of this had to happen, and its terrifying that the generation that experienced this is all but gone.
Designer_Buy_1650@reddit
The fire bombing was the worse than you can imagine. People in underground bomb shelters were literally cooked. The US did this. It was the inspiration for Slaughter House Five.
2cimage@reddit
I remember talking to my distant relative who was a medic in Normandy after D-Day and I asked him what he most remembered about WW2 and he said it’ was the sky, it was nearly black with just endless streams of bombers and fighters flying across France into Germany.
Designer_Buy_1650@reddit
Interesting. Good story. I hope readers appreciate what you posted. I did.
2cimage@reddit
Thanks, he was one of three brothers in WW2 from Kentucky, the other two were in the pacific, one was killed coming off a landing craft storming one of the island’s, the other was a PT boat operator who survived the war!
withateethuh@reddit
Its something I think about a lot. The scale is absolutely mindboggling. I literally cannot imagine the dread of seeing a bomber formation like that approaching your city.
dpaanlka@reddit
Surely you don’t think this hasn’t been discussed here as nauseam 🙄
yuvattar@reddit (OP)
Surely you don't think I care.
dpaanlka@reddit
Maybe not but I’m gonna tell you anyways
magnumfan89@reddit
Anyone know if I can find it online somewhere? I can't afford the subscription to watch it
Extension-Ant-8@reddit
It’s not even worth it if it was free.
magnumfan89@reddit
I want to watch it. I don't really care about the consensus on it
FiveOhFive91@reddit
Google Stremio + torrentio
magnumfan89@reddit
Works great! Thanks!
Seems like a long series, guess it should keep me busy a while
magnumfan89@reddit
Thanks
yuvattar@reddit (OP)
I watched it on Stremio.
magnumfan89@reddit
I'll check it out
yuvattar@reddit (OP)
I hope you enjoy it; apparently not everyone did.
magnumfan89@reddit
It's reception is quite mixed, but hey, it's got a B-17 in it, so it can't be awful
send_lasagna@reddit
Why does this show make you want to be a pilot? Literally none of the flying in this looks like fun.
yuvattar@reddit (OP)
I wish I could understand it or explain it. Sure isn't rational, but it calls me. My favorite part was when they started flying humanitarian missions, though. I sure don't wish to have to fly in any sort of combat, but I do wish deeply I could fly.
doozerman@reddit
Maybe you did live it and just don’t remember yet
yuvattar@reddit (OP)
My wife tells me something of the sort. Who knows? Might've been. I can say for sure that it calls me strongly.
wellthatsjustyouropi@reddit
I’m not a gay man but….
yuvattar@reddit (OP)
What an odd thing to say.
SuperFrog4@reddit
I thought it was a wonderful series and full of very interesting story lines.
I think for all of those who are commenting about character development and having a story line like BoB, you have to realize that there is limited character development, limited ability to tell who is who in the aircraft and limited ongoing story lines for a very particular reason. It is that the vast vast majority of the crews that arrived in England in 1943 at the beginning of the series died within a few months of arriving.
To give you an idea of losses, of the 38 original co-pilots to arrive in England, only 4 made it to the end of their first combat tour of 25 missions.
During WW2 from June 1943 to April 1945 they flew 306 missions and lost 177 aircraft.
In the 3 major missions in the fall of 1943 to Regensburg, Bremen and Munster, they lost 28 aircraft and 283 crewmen. For Bremen and Munster alone, they lost 19 aircraft and 193 crewmen. That’s 80% of the original group.
They started off with 35 crews totaling 350 crewmen.
To equate that with BoB, the series would have been over after carentan because almost everyone in E company 506th would have been dead if they had the same casualty rate as the bomber crews.
So things what you constantly get new crewmen and not much character development. That’s how it was in real life, new crews constantly coming in to replace lost crews. No real continuity.
yuvattar@reddit (OP)
I appreciate all the numbers you're sharing. I thought the show did a great job conveying just how difficult it was for these crews to survive, and made perfect sense to kind of center around some of the few that did make it. I enjoyed it a lot.
hotpotatocakes@reddit
As a fellow art dept fabricator whos actually just finished a b17, great work on the special makes. Looks great on camera, production design was good. Show was not my cup of tea though, all fur coat and no knickers
yuvattar@reddit (OP)
Pretty cool job, that one.
TomVonServo@reddit
Why? It’s bad.
yuvattar@reddit (OP)
I must have gotten confused by all the enjoyment I got from it.
Leftyshanker@reddit
Didn’t like it. Too dramatic, too many plot lines that started and just abruptly ended, good fighting scenes, but I’d give it a C+ while BoB and Pacific are solid gold A’s.
yuvattar@reddit (OP)
Fair enough.
Thin-Ebb-9534@reddit
Also watch an old movie: Twelve o’Clock High with Gregory Peck.
yuvattar@reddit (OP)
Hey thanks, going on the list right away.
Worried_Raspberry_43@reddit
The mission near the end spliced with real combat footage is insane. There is a Messerschmidt making a pass less than 10 meters from the cameraman in the B-17.
NewspaperNelson@reddit
Instead of watching 10 hours of this mediocre series, you could instead watch Memphis Belle 6.6 times.
The_Smallz@reddit
MOTA is a bigger flop than Val’s medical career.
NewspaperNelson@reddit
Stick your finger down your throat.
Tachanka-Mayne@reddit
Or I’ll do it for you
DisBeKyYo@reddit
Man, no one gets the reference? Lol
Gratefulzah@reddit
Nah MOTA at least exists. Its more like Samwise Gamgee's ball turret: Good in theory, but full of holes by the end with actors grasping at threads
Lurking_all_the_time@reddit
Also try the original 1944 Memphis Belle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTRnv3ctzec
To me, the last 10 minutes cover the effect of the battle better that anything else
NewspaperNelson@reddit
Have it on DVD.
Lurking_all_the_time@reddit
Same here!
Poltergeist97@reddit
I still occasionally throw on the Danny Boy cover that Harry Connick Junior sings early on. Love it!
NewspaperNelson@reddit
But Connick's version was never released as a single. Do you just put the movie on to hear it?
Poltergeist97@reddit
I just put on a YouTube clip of it lol
zed42@reddit
it's Band of Brothers for the air corps. highly recommend.
Tagous@reddit
I watched the entire series while on flights. I need to go back and watch it again on a bigger screen. Excellent series
Adamk0310@reddit
I'm just glad it finally got made, at least in some form. It was stuck in production hell absolutely forever.
Nervous_Otter69@reddit
“It was no BoB”, yeah we know. No shit lol. People bitch about the pacific too.
BoB is the undisputed goat, but let’s be real - it’s a romanticized view of WW2 that is hard not to love. It follows a singular company in a linear journey with clear scene and seasonal changes so it feels like this years long journey by the end too.
Compare that to The Pacific to which many in here openly claim is not up to snuff either. We have a story that shares the more raw image of warfare, some breaks in action, and follows multiple companies so it feels a bit more disjointed. The battle scenes look very similar to one another so I feel like there’s no real sense of time passing - like we spent several episodes that covered months rather than years that actually took place. But that was the reality of the pacific theatre by comparison. And the writing and story telling is just so fucking excellent.
Masters of the Air - a story that needed and deserved to be told. But a difficult one. Every action scene for these guys is ultimately the same. They take off, encounter flak, then fighters, drop their bombs, and if they’re lucky they come home. There’s no opportunity to show anything we haven’t really seen in episodes before other than a different plane going down or a different airman dying in the ship. So we rely on the personal stories out of battle to carry the series forward which ultimately makes it a much different story than the other two. Some of the cgi is admittedly bad, especially for a series made in the 2020s, but subjectively it’s a very good series and does a nice job of conveying the heaviness of getting in a plane mission after mission that’s increasingly suicidal and coming to terms with today is very likely your day.
yanvail@reddit
This, very well said. I'm rather surprised at the negativity this post engendered. I guess people really feel the need to share their dislike of something.
That said, your post makes very good points as to how the series could not match the greatness of BoB, by virtue of its subject matter. But despite this, I definitely loved this series, and it captured the subject matter extremely well and gave us a good dramatisation of an excellent book.
Sigtauez@reddit
I say this often, the reason “The Pacific” and “Masters of Air” feel so different than “Band of Brothers” is the length of time. The entirety of BoB takes place in the same time frame as the last two episodes of the other series
superbadj@reddit
I felt it was poorly acted across the board, bad writing, cheesy, just such a total letdown from this production team.
GuitarHair@reddit
Of all the comments so far, I have to agree with yours the most. Just really cheesy writing.
superbadj@reddit
The crazy thing is...I was 100% primed to love it. I am a HUGE aviation nerd, I love history, I LOVED BoB, I loved The Pacific, this should have been right in my wheelhouse. But all the "COME ON BOYS LET'S GIVE 'EM HELL" crap just felt so, so, so cheesy. So much posing, no real emotion, no character development that felt real. Compared by BOB where you saw how people changed over the course of the series (Malarky went from a jokester to a nearly broken guy).
Even the SFX kinda sucked. It just felt like everyone phoned it in and figured "ehh, people will eat this up." I can't believe it was done by the same people as BoB and The Pacific.
7stroke@reddit
lol, that show sucked. I watched all of them (recovering from COVID) hoping it would get better, but it didn’t. Just started by sucking and ended sucking off into the sunset….
0ggiemack@reddit
It's pure propaganda but it's an ok watch
ykkzqbhf@reddit
This is something I struggle with a little bit anyways, but once they got in the air and masked up I found it impossible to tell the characters apart. Not sure how they could have fixed that and remained accurate but it left me pretty checked out on the show.
RedHuey@reddit
That was nearly unwatchable crap.. Seriously. I don’t know how anybody could watch this.
aheadofme@reddit
It was ok but good lord Austin Butler is an overactor. And the camera lingered on his stupid face like 3x too long every shot. Really liked the rest of the characters though.
FlavorBlaster42@reddit
Especially jarring was his 2024 hair in 1943
KarateRoddy@reddit
I for real thought he was AI until I googled the cast
Nok1a_@reddit
Is not that good as I thought it will be to be honest, waiting that many years for this I was bit dissapointed with the air strike of mustangs I mean really? besides the amount of time taken with the girl , but I was measuring the show with Band of Brothers or Pacific
DBFlyguy@reddit
The show was a mess that tried to do too much and didn't do anything very well. The P-51 raid was laughably bad on top of killing off someone who survived the war and was in multiple WWII documentaries, was a published author and awarded a congressional gold medal...no idea who did the historical "research" for this show.
ShittyLanding@reddit
This show got greenlit before a single word of the script was written and it shows.
Nok1a_@reddit
The problem of the show was done way too late, and with Apple TV and the woke shit and how they love to change shit, we got this result, if Master of the Air was done before 2010 how it was meant to be with the name The mighty eight, would have been another amazing TV show, but nowadays with the woke and flander peoples around anything is shit, you just need to see even old IP movies how stupid ass they have become /rant off
ShittyLanding@reddit
Ok
withateethuh@reddit
Did Hanks or Spielberg have any actual involvement in this other than slapping their name on it as executive producers?
RogerRabbit1234@reddit
Compared to BoB and The Pacific it’s a distaaaaaaant third.
killerbacon678@reddit
I think it’s still a decent show but oh man, BOB and the Pacific are still probably the greatest military series of all time.
JBerry_Mingjai@reddit
From the Earth to the Moon does not get enough love. I think it’s every bit as good as BOB and the Pacific.
Mekroval@reddit
I love that Earth to the Moon, which was clearly inspired by Apollo 13, doesn't at all touch the mission other than peripherally. IIRC, it only shows the news media's side of the story.
Ypocras@reddit
The series was made by almost the same team that made Apollo 13, so there was no point to tell the same story again.
My favourite episode by far is Spider, about the design and construction of the LEM.
RogerRabbit1234@reddit
Generation Kill is up there, but an entirely different vibe.
DisasterAdditional16@reddit
gen kill mentioned..... unfuck yeselfs!!!
RogerRabbit1234@reddit
Not everyone is lucky enough to have been raised in a whiskey tango trailer park by a bow-legged female whose sole qualification for motherhood is a womb that happened to catch a sperm of a passing truck driver.
Foodconsumer3000@reddit
and the ones who get lucky enough get to go to NASCAR
Turkish_primadona@reddit
Why don't you ask him how he got the name whopper junior?
RogerRabbit1234@reddit
“They were calling me that?”
I love the reporters reaction when he asks that.
Oh Trombley.
catsdrooltoo@reddit
Generation kill is definitely made for the gen x and millennials that went to combat zones. It really shows a lot of the absurdity of deployments away from combat scenes.
KuyaGTFO@reddit
Oh trust me. Gen Z is experiencing PLENTY of that fuckery right now.
1202burner@reddit
Peacetime military is something I'm glad I'm not part of. The GWOT era was already a lot of buttfuckery as it was, I can't imagine what it's like these days.
imbasicallycoffee@reddit
Gen Kill doesn’t get enough love for how awesome it is. The writing and the acting are phenomenal. You completely lose track of the actors in so many scenes and are just watching their character at that point.
Automaticman01@reddit
The book (written by Evan Wright, the reporter) was quite good as well. I also just recently found Nathan Fick's book, "One Bullet Away" and really enjoyed it. It covers his journey from boot camp (officer boot camp, which I haven't seen much before in media) through his first tour in Afghanistan and then the events of Generation Kill - which basically make up the second half of the book. It was definitely interesting seeing the events from his perspective.
WWWallace71@reddit
It's the most accurate military depiction put on the screen. But hey, what do you expect with David Simon in charge? He made The Wire
RogerRabbit1234@reddit
I can rewatch any episode of Generation Kill and really enjoy it like it was the first watch.
Automaticman01@reddit
Same, I've re-watched it so many times.
NPRdude@reddit
My hot take is that Generation Kill is better than both BoB and The Pacific, but that it is a hard show to recommend just because it’s honest to a degree that I think would be abrasive to a lot of people (ie, it’s hard to recommend a show where the characters swear like they do in GK).
xj98jeep@reddit
Master and commander is different, but also the same... I think that might be my favorite.
Mekroval@reddit
I still live for the day when Peter Weir finally does a sequel. There are so many books from the series he could draw from. And Crowe isn't getting any younger.
Thequiet01@reddit
That would be wonderful.
I_Love_You_Sometimes@reddit
I rewatch generation kill every 2 years or so. It's so good
gumball2016@reddit
Police that mooostache!!!
DangerousPraline9236@reddit
Amerikey is watchin
sakatan@reddit
You look like a buuuummmm!
mnztr1@reddit
Which BOB the Guy Martin documentary?
generictroglodytic@reddit
Grooooooooming staaandards
gumball2016@reddit
I like in the last episode...during mail call he basically tells Gunny with a wink that its all just an act to keep morale up.
Amari__Cooper@reddit
Yeah not good imo
Andoverian@reddit
I think that says more about Band of Brothers and The Pacific than it does about Masters of the Air, though. They're just that good.
Ilikebookstoo@reddit
Pacific is so underrated. It’s fantastic
withateethuh@reddit
Its a little disjointed as a result of combining two different stories following different characters but it has stand out moments. The second main character's struggles with going back to normal life were heartbreaking. I think one of the most striking scenes is when that crazy hardened edge older marine later in the series is crying and insoleable. Everyone has their breaking point, and dealing with the nightmare of how the Japanese fought themselves but also used civilians is absolute horror.
RogerRabbit1234@reddit
Fair Point…. But…Didn’t you find the acting very cheesy and the story line so gimmicky in Masters?
Also, with Brothers I binge watched the entire season in a few days because you can’t wait to watch the next one and I can rewatch any episode at any time… with Masters I kind of trudged through it… it was fine and entertaining, but it wasn’t riveting, IMHO.
shizakapayou@reddit
I watched Masters when it came out, and while I remember having that kind of thought about it, I legitimately barely remember it. Compared to I have no idea how many watches of BoB, and at least a few of The Pacific. Huge difference.
NPRdude@reddit
Partway through the show, episode 5 maybe, I realized I recognized barely any of the characters in the bombers. I acknowledge that this is in part due to the nature of the story and the real life attrition rates of bomber crews, but the show did not do a good job of introducing new characters after the first couple episodes.
FourFunnelFanatic@reddit
It isn’t supposed to be BoB or The Pacific.
generictroglodytic@reddit
The pacific is on top only because band of brothers got some glaring things wrong
Ilikebookstoo@reddit
The book is so good. I was hoping for more from the show. I liked it. But just felt .. short
OneStrongGopher@reddit
Came here to say this. It's still a good show though, and it's combat visuals are definitely on par with the other shows.
Definitely more of a helplessness feeling watching Masters of the Air. You can take cover if you're getting bullets shot at you.. on a B-17 you just gotta hope you dont get hit.
UnderstandingNo5667@reddit
It is absolutely pants. 🩲
CatchAcceptable3898@reddit
Airplanes by B.O.B? Mid song
draggin_low@reddit
B.O.B. by Outkast? Great song
magnumfan89@reddit
Airplanes PT2 is where it's at. One of Eminems best feature verses IMO
Commercial_Regret_36@reddit
Not bad but my word the lines were corny. I think it was the very first episode, they stuck every cliche they could in it “don’t you die on me; I’m not gonna make it; you’re gonna make it!
Own_Ad6797@reddit
For 3 episodes it was Masters of the Air. After that it was Masters of the Ground and Masters of the Prison Camp. Decidedly average.
ass_Inspector_420@reddit
Masters of hacksaw ridge
-S-P-E-C-T-R-E-@reddit
Each to their own. I was massively disappointed with this. IMO, it’s worse than The Pacific and not even close to BoB. The characters weren’t memorable and the writing and visuals at best mediocre. Memphis Belle was better.
MoonageManic@reddit
There’s a scene where they refer to B-17 as a B-1-7. It was then that I decided not to watch it again. Not a patch on BoB or the Pacific.
slaganon@reddit
Seconded, concur
throwburgeratface@reddit
It was so bad lol.
Xen0m3@reddit
loved it personally, it’s a very rare occasion indeed to see a properly sized wwii bomber formation, and media from the air crew’s POV is pretty rare compared to the “boots on the ground” catalogue.
Le_petite_bear_jew@reddit
Thought it was pretty mid
Jegged@reddit
The battle scenes were really cool and really well done. Probably the closest thing we'll see to actual dogfights so, it's worth seeing on that basis alone. But they really shit the bed with the whole series. I've never had the last few episodes of a miniseries make me hate a whole show to such a degree. The entire last half of the show was unearned. They want you to feel something for the characters, but they don't give any sense of there being high stakes. They try to make references to some of the atrocities like the Holocaust, and they somehow manage to fumble that ball entirely. None of the scenes where they're supposed to be cold or hungry do they look like they're cold or hungry. And to top it all off, it turns into the Americans jerking themselves off about how they won the war. They literally raised an American flag in the German POW camp, and maybe that happened, but I guess they forgot that any of the other allied countries existed and participated.
That was a complete waste of 9 hours, and I wish I could go back and unwatch the show.
juanmlm@reddit
It was so bad by the end I was rooting for the Germans.
NoIdeaHalp@reddit
Yes.
truegothlove@reddit
It was a stinker.
ShieldPilot@reddit
It was no Band of Brothers. Damn good book though.
Spartan0330@reddit
Funny enough, I genuinely disliked the BoB book but love the show. I should probably read Masters of Air. The whole story of the Bloody 100th is wild to me.
TomHicksJnr@reddit
The book is great. The TV show is far too sanitised and doesn’t do it justice.
piantanida@reddit
I noped out 15 minutes in. Not worth it. I was not looking forward to it letting me down, but the trailers gave away that it was going to be terrible vfx and for something like this it’s very important to have realistic and perfect visuals. Remember catching quite a lot of flack in some fanboy subreddit at the time they were releasing the teasers for calling a spade a spade.
No-Anteater509@reddit
If you want to see what accurate aerial gunnery from a B-17 would have looked like
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aoHOVUKOc0M&pp=ygUTd3cyIGd1bm5lciB0cmFpbmluZw%3D%3D
Taki_Minase@reddit
Yes, Ammo is finite, many movies have magical ammo belts and magazines
CCFCVAN@reddit
It’s so shit dude
jimbojsb@reddit
I was initially disappointed in the theme music given the absolute icons that are the BoB and Pacific scores, but it really grew on me.
EffectiveGold3067@reddit
I couldn’t watch it. Everyone is named Buck or Bucky or Buckles or whatever. I couldn’t get attached to any character, they were all the same. I just couldn’t get into it at all. I wanted to like it but it’s just to overproduced and schlocky for me.
iamkeerock@reddit
Are there any Me-262 scenes?
Ok_Entrepreneur_1086@reddit
Its a great show up until like the 3rd episode, then its not very enjoyable.
DBFlyguy@reddit
I thought it was honestly pretty mediocre show and that's being kind. Between the bad writing, odd narrative choices and cartoonish CGI... I was pretty disappointed. Another recent WWII bomber related show, Hulu's "Catch-22" while a completely different tone was a much better show and definitely worth a watch!
syringistic@reddit
Catch 22 miniseries was very decent and captured the spirit of the book well.
If anyone reading this hasn't ever read the book, it's an absolute must-read. Best dark comedy ever.
Mekroval@reddit
I remember reading this book and being shocked with him grim but hilarious it was. It was also the inspiration for M*A*S*H, no?
aka_Handbag@reddit
Both movies came out at the same time and both had TV pilots at the same time. The Heller novel was 1961 and Hooker’s 1968 👍
Mekroval@reddit
Interesting, TIL!
syringistic@reddit
Never heard about it being an inspiration for MASH... but it would make total sense since the show employed a similar approach to humor and morbidity.
rkmvca@reddit
Exactly. Catch 22 was a big surprise, with some great aviation scenes.
crazysparky4@reddit
Loved that book, heard about the show and didn’t watch it because I assumed it would disappoint in comparison. I guess I’ve got something to watch now.
syringistic@reddit
It's definitely not a 10/10, but.i would say a strong 7/10. Visual media can't really convey the absurdity of the novel.
petoskey_stone@reddit
I’d rather not watch it again. I thought it was pretty insultingly bad.
SkyeMreddit@reddit
It’s was great. I was just annoyed that the ads hyped up the Tuskegee Airmen constantly only for them to minimally appear toward the end.
victorsmonster@reddit
Dang I had no idea this show was so unpopular. I binged it and really enjoyed it. I had not realized what a terrifying meat grinder those bombing missions were before watching it, even though I'd read a bit about it.
I saw a reviewer call it "another entry in the Saving Private Ryan Extended Universe" which I found pretty funny.
Going to queue up Memphis Belle now!
johnqadamsin28@reddit
It was good but would have been cool if they did like an alternate history idea twist at the end
postbox134@reddit
I like it mostly because the ground airfield scenes were filmed right where I grew up - at the old RAF Abingdon. That meant I could spend a lot of the show seeing exactly what was real (not much) and what was CGI.
CleanEnergyFuture331@reddit
I agree with most criticism. But character development. The whole idea IMO, was to show how quickly aircrews were killed and new crews brought in. It was one of the deadliest jobs of the war.
Murky-Profit-9493@reddit
This show sucks what are you talking about
DCS_Sport@reddit
If you enjoy rampant historical inaccuracies, terrible writing, and really bad CGI, then it’s the perfect show!
wil9212@reddit
Pretty sobering series in my world.
Internal_Button_4339@reddit
Enjoyed it, I thought it portrayed the huge losses of the B17 squadrons rather well. Poor bastards. Esp before long range escorts were available, these guys were just shot to shit, every mission.
enzo32ferrari@reddit
I feel like the series captured what the proto-USAF went through in WW2, but it felt like a TV show produced by a different production company that did BoB and The Pacific.
bpwo0dy@reddit
I loved this show.
Filmexec21@reddit
If you are into WWII or the 8th Air Force please go checkout this documentary I made; it is easiest to find it on AppleTV and PrimeVideo: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5097780/
Scared_Breadfruit_26@reddit
Too much CGI. Didnt like it.
A_Moon_Named_Luna@reddit
True but unlike band and the Pacific, getting a thousand b17’s together might be a little difficult. CGI is the only way you can capture that insane scale the late war bombing was . Imagine 1000 plane raids. Just pure chaos.
Hoenirson@reddit
Agreed. It could be valid to want less obvious GGI but that would mean a likely impossible budget.
A_Moon_Named_Luna@reddit
I do agree with the quality of the CGI , at times being a little lack luster.
Significant_Lynx_827@reddit
I really enjoyed it. The folks that produced it did a really great job, just like they did with band of brothers.
CouchPotatoFamine@reddit
We enjoyed it, but it definitely borrowed heavily from Memphis Belle - which isn't necessarily a bad thing, of course! I will watch it again, though, for certain.
_WhiteGoodman_@reddit
Watched it as it came out. Waited a bit and watched it again. Now I’m on a 3rd round of casually watching.
Good series. But I’m totally biased as I love WWII history, particularly the aviation-side of it, the European theater, the B17 is one of my top 3 favorite airplanes, and Memphis Belle is one of my favorite movies.