Early TWA Aircraft Passengers
Posted by ClassicallyDriven_CA@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 13 comments
Sharing an amazing Vintage Photograph showing passengers onboard an early TWA flight. Archive stamp on the back from Max Karant - Editor of Popular Aviation. Acquired as-is without further history
SopSauceBaus@reddit
Realistically how loud and cold would it be in there? An unpressurized radial plane can’t be that comfy.
ShieldPilot@reddit
Probably not that cold, I think typical cruising altitudes were only like 8,000 ft.
fly_awayyy@reddit
Depends on the time of the year, and your location otherwise 8,000 ft can be really cold in Northern states in the winter.
Kanyiko@reddit
Think this in terms of sound level:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IUENFTc79pA
These aircraft might have been unpressurised, but they would have been flown low. 12000 ft would have been the maximum, but in most cases they would have been flown two, three, maybe four-thousand feet above ground level.
These aircraft also had cabin heaters (usually petrol-fired ones) that would have provided some kind of heat.
Pressurised aircraft would actually come in quite soon after that.
The first pressurised airliner was the Belgian Renard R.35 prototype, which had been ordered by the Belgian airline SABENA in 1936 and was completed in early 1938; however the sole prototype was destroyed in an unauthorised test flight (that was only supposed to be a fast ground run, the aircraft hadn't been cleared for flight yet) on April 1st 1938. Already having submitted firm orders for the DC-3, SABENA cancelled its order for the Renard R.35 and the company abandoned its development.
The first pressurised airliner to actually enter service was the Boeing 307 Stratoliner, which first flew in December of 1938 and entered service in July of 1940. It was Boeing's reply to Douglas DC-4E, an airliner which had been in development since 1935 and which, while the prototype was unpressurised, had been envisaged with a pressurised cabin in its production form. While the DC-4E was a failure and never flew with a pressure cabin, the Boeing 307 did, although only 10 were built as Boeing was forced to focus on the production of the B-17 with the onset of war (the Stratoliner shared the wings, engine nacelles and tailplanes of the early B-17s).
DullMind2023@reddit
What’s up with the cartoonishly huge bow on that woman’s dress?
th3orist@reddit
i wish i was that relaxed on todays planes that are a gazillion times more safe than the one in that photograph
GrafZeppelin127@reddit
The extent to which planes are safer nowadays is probably one of the most impressive feats of our entire species. In 1910 planes had a fatal accident roughly once every 100 flight hours. Now we have whole plane models topping 20,000,000 flight hours without a single fatal accident.
lordtema@reddit
It is though, bar the smoking as long as you are willing to pay close to what these probably were paying (so First / Business)
Aniridia@reddit
Quick search says one-way NYC to Chicago was around $1,000 in the mid to late 1930s. One-way NYC to LA pushed $4,000.
It also took 7 hours to fly from NYC to Chicago. NYC to LA was around 27 hours.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/TWA_Transcontinental_Routes_and_Map_1933.jpg/1280px-TWA_Transcontinental_Routes_and_Map_1933.jpg
Sesquipedalian_Vomit@reddit
I do understand why people fawn over photos of commercial flight from back in the day, but they often seem to ignore the fact that economies of scale achieved by packing more passengers into each flight is the main reason why most of us can actually afford air travel.
lordtema@reddit
Yeah so not too far off then for at least some of the decent business products. First is of course much more expensive.
mar_kelp@reddit
Looks like a DC-2:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_DC-2
No_Greed_No_Pain@reddit
Some impressive sleuth work, thank you!
But I'm shocked, I'm shocked that back in the 30s people were making stuff up to sell non-existing product! /s