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growing-up-23@reddit

A SpaceX recruiter called me once about a position in Starbase, TX, and mentioned one of their perks was that employees get to go home to CA on weekends in a private jet. I'm guessing this is it.

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cheesecake-gnome@reddit

Yes. SpaceX has to major work hubs in Brownsville TX and Hawthorne CA

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anothercar@reddit

N154TS, formerly Air China. I think they use it to shuttle employees between LA and Brownsville

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jsttob@reddit

formerly Air China

some irony there…

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SuppeAal@reddit

Janet also uses former Air China 737s for flights to Area 51

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NaiveRevolution9072@reddit

Aren't the JANET aircraft direct from the factory? customer code sure indicates that

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SuppeAal@reddit

just checked, 3 of 6 of their 737-600s are direct from the factory while the remaining ones were bought from air china

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Wooden-Sprinkles7901@reddit

Wonder why so many billionaires use Air China for their companies? I guess they dont trust Boeing anymore after they knocked off two whistle blowers lol.

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theaircraftaviation@reddit

please be ragebait no way people are this dumb

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halfty1@reddit

You realize that Air China is an airline and Boeing is an aircraft maker correct? The pictured aircraft is still a Boeing 737, it was just bought used from Air China.

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TabsAZ@reddit

737-600s specifically, which is the smallest and rarest version of the NG series. Only a handful of airlines bought them and they were never fitted with winglets.

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Pcat0@reddit

Yep they bought in 2023 after they really started to ramp up operations in Texas.

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Mammoth_Professor833@reddit

The amount of downvotes is hilarious…Elon hate is off the charts.

The other aspect here is that no USA company even offers these types of careers at this level…so if you like rockets and putting stuff in space where you going to go? A few smaller companies try but it’s kids ball.

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velosnow@reddit

If one hates Elon, loves SpaceX, hates modern day Boeing, and detests the 737…how many downvotes do I win 😅

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Fly4Vino@reddit

The Elon haters never stop. They never compare Space X to Boeing. It's been a quarter century since Boeing won the Replacement Tanker contract (thanks to bribery - yes there were multiple guilty pleas) and they have yet to deliver a fully functional tanker. After giving Boeing a decade or three headstart on space , Space X passed them and left them in the dust

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velosnow@reddit

Ewww a 737.

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velosnow@reddit

I’ll take downvotes all day long for 737 hate lolz.

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Almaegen@reddit

You're taking downvotes because its arguably the best workhorse commercial aviation has ever seen.

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velosnow@reddit

So sensitive. Where on the aviation chart of crappy airplanes have I hurt you?

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wehooper4@reddit

Awww, someone is too round to fit in the cockpit

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velosnow@reddit

Name isn’t Leon.

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ChillFratBro@reddit

They operate it to shuttle people between their LA headquarters and their sweatshop company town on the US-Mexico border.

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Logisticman232@reddit

That’s ridiculously racist dear lord.

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big-boi-93@reddit

lol what? they chose Brownsville because the closer you are to the equator the more of an energy boost you get from the earths rotation.

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ChillFratBro@reddit

So? Doesn't change the fact it is now essentially a company town on the US-Mexico border. The fact that there are technical benefits to those coordinates doesn't change the fact that they've incorporated a town for their employees at that location.

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big-boi-93@reddit

What’s wrong with that? There was nothing there before.

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ChillFratBro@reddit

Did I say there was anything wrong with it? I'm describing plain facts and getting downvotes because it's triggering people who want to fellate Elon.

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Suchamoneypit@reddit

Calling a place a sweatshop is a clear negative term for the location. You're really going to act dumb like there wasn't an intended meaning there and you said nothing is wrong with the place?

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ChillFratBro@reddit

It's not about the location, it's that SpaceX pay is below industry average, they're famous for demanding 60+ hour weeks, and they have a pretty bad safety record for the space industry.

They're a company town because the company literally incorporated a town for employees. They're a sweatshop because of low(er) pay, crazy hours, and unsafe working conditions.

I was responding to the commenter who seemed to want to defend the choice of Brownsville. I wasn't shitting on Brownsville Texas.

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emezeekiel@reddit

These are the world’s top rocket engineers dude, they could get jobs anywhere and still choose it. They choose to work like psychos.

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ChillFratBro@reddit

Lol @ SpaceX employing the top. They're famous for grabbing tons of new grads and burning them out.

Like all companies they employ some fantastic people, some morons, and everything in between - but most of the industry's "top talent" won't touch SpaceX.

That's not how it was 15 (or even 5) years ago, but Elon going off the deep end has really poisoned the brand for most employees. That's part of why you see so many rookie errors from them on Starship - the people who know what they're doing have left.

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emezeekiel@reddit

Yes rookie errors… on the world’s largest and most complex flying machine, in history.

The fact they’re keeping a Falcon 1 type success rate on what is a vastly complex program is amazing in itself.

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ChillFratBro@reddit

FTS not working on a flight, blowing two others up over populated parts of the Caribbean, and grenadine your launchpad because you didn't build a water suppression system are unacceptable rookie errors. I don't care how complex the vehicle is, that wouldn't happen at a company with a culture of good engineering. My issue isn't about them making orbit or not, it's the kind mistakes they make.

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emezeekiel@reddit

You’re optimizing for slow incremental success at each step. This isn’t the way the work. They went right to hot staging on F2 even though they never staged… if that had failed you’d be saying the same thing. But it worked.

They have the luxury of having the cash, because their other product line is sooo so insanely successful and profitable (which you also seem to forget) that they can build starship after starship without worrying about running out of cash. As for the deluge, read Eric Berger’s book. It’s another one of Elons decisions that his time tried to convince him otherwise, like the chopsticks. His money, his call.

Again, you can wild it out on one program when your other programs, Falcon and Starlink, are bringing in insane, stable, predictable revenue.

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ChillFratBro@reddit

They went right to hot staging on F2 even though they never staged… if that had failed you’d be saying the same thing. But it worked.

No I wouldn't. That doesn't put personnel safety at risk. I'm not anti-risk, far from it. I'm pointing out specific instances where they risked human life in an unacceptablely dumb way.

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emezeekiel@reddit

And I would add. The other way is Bezos’.

They’re both valid ways, though one is insanely slow at getting hardware up. Blue is really good at building insanely large factories though, look at the latest NSF Cape Flyover. You wonder what’s happening.

But my only point is to say: they both require some guy with billions to bet on something… this isn’t how normal companies can operate.

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Mammoth_Professor833@reddit

SpaceX people love SpaceX - they grind because of the mission

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ChillFratBro@reddit

They love SpaceX because Elon creates a cult of personality.

People who were at SpaceX 10-15 years ago deserve a lot of credit for the space industry of today. But the people who are there today are suckers who are either doing new engineering badly (Starship) or maintaining the work of others (Falcon).

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14u2c@reddit

Pure speculation about something you know nothing about. What is it about SpaceX that makes everyone think they are an expert?

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ChillFratBro@reddit

I've been in the new space industry for 15 years. I've worked at several new space companies. I work daily with dozens of former SpaceX employees.

I know exactly what I'm talking about.

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jsttob@reddit

First rule of Internet trolling: if you have to say you are XYZ, then you are mostly likely not, in fact, XYZ

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ChillFratBro@reddit

I honestly do not care if you or anyone else believes me. I'm telling the truth, and brigading me doesn't change that.

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notsurwhybutimhere@reddit

be careful about generalizing based on anecdotes. Thats what you have. I have them too from lots of friends that have worked there.

To me they seem to balance speed of iteration, detail of analysis and speed of production quite well. The record speaks for itself. Hard to call it bad engineering when the engineering has accomplished what it has. It’s different than what the industry is used to.

Let’s see what the results in the future will be. I could be wrong, I quite often am.

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ChillFratBro@reddit

I agree with you about Falcon 9. Starship has been a disaster. The fact that their FTS didn't work the first time and that they blew up two over populated parts of the Caribbean is inexcusable.

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unpluggedcord@reddit

If you have to clarify your credentials, it's pretty likely nobody is going to believe you.

Especially when you say trust me bro.

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Mammoth_Professor833@reddit

Terrible hot take and you know none of them

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toad__warrior@reddit

I DO know SpaceX employees and it is a meat grinder. 50-60 hrs/week is expected. SpaceX has been sued several times for requiring interns to work over 40 hrs.

The people I know do it for the money and experience. They figure they will hang out 3-5 years and leave.

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Mammoth_Professor833@reddit

SpaceX also tends to attract the most talented, most ambitious types from schools and they absolutely work very hard…kinda like kids that go to up Morgan or Goldman..they want a big career but the big difference is that space is such a passion for so many…like way more than finance or oil and gas or most consumer facing tech. Many wash out but that is like par for the course for any elite organization. It’s by design.

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