AMD clarifies that RDNA 1 and 2 will still get day zero game support and driver updates — discrete GPUs and handhelds will still work with future games
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InformalAd202@reddit
What does it mean "clarifies"? Was the previous claim of no day zero drivers made up by someone else?
_vaxis@reddit
And then u/hardwareunboxed (shame on you) fumbled the ball releasing a video with the word “trash” used plenty of times that caused people who have zero reading comprehension skills to sharpen their pitchforks and point it at big bad AMD for this atrocious decision they made unlike Nvidia who gives 10+ year old cards support.
This was a wild day in the pc enthusiast community
ParthProLegend@reddit
There's also a chance it was intended, and they backtracked that decision due to backlash.
silchasr@reddit
HU and GN have a track record of calling out AMD shitfuckery and getting them to backtrack anti-consumer / unpopular decisions but there's always those die hard fans crying bias.
ParthProLegend@reddit
HU and GN are goats, although some of their stuff has affected others (like LTT) in a negative way but they are mostly good.
silchasr@reddit
Yeh some LTT was warrented like the inaccuracies they found and the seemingly lack of effort to rectify, but some seemed a bit overblown and maybe even personal.
sammyfrosh@reddit
They backtracked imo.
ComplexEntertainer13@reddit
I am not sure they even did that.
"New features, bug fixes and game optimizations will continue to be delivered as required by market needs"
That is typical corporate speak. In no way shape or form did they say that RDNA2 will get similar first day driver support as RDNA3.
If all they do is fix the worst performance issues and straight up none working games, then that statement still holds true. ed.
_Fibbles_@reddit
I'm sitting here scratching my head over the linked Tom's Hardware article because the title doesn't seem to be supported by anything in the article itself.
ParthProLegend@reddit
All we can do is assume....... Only they know the truth, so instead of arguing, let's share some love.
_vaxis@reddit
possible but unlikely. but even without this new article, some people did understand what they already meant. a bunch of comments on the radeon sub and a few posts too, has been saying, from the first article, it was never said AMD was DROPPING support for those cards, but hbu on the first few minutes of their video and i quote "They're effectively ending driver support for RDNA1 and RDNA2 graphics cards by no longer providing those models with game specific optimizations" OPTIMIZATIONS, not support, not drivers, OPTIMIZATIONS.
It's just sad half of the people do not understand the difference.
ParthProLegend@reddit
All we can do is assume....... Only they know the truth, so instead of arguing, let's share some love.
DrKersh@reddit
so, as you understand what they meant, can you explain it what they meant, and what the changes for owners will be?
because even with this, I do not understand clearly what they want to say.
_vaxis@reddit
i commented this on another sub, but in my eyes, these announcements are just AMD saying that they have extracted all they can from RDNA1 and RDNA2 cards, performance and feature wise and will no longer pursue developing new features for it. Which, indeed sucks being it a relatively new, well the RDNA2 ones, but again, they have cheaper products compared to Nvidia so you basically get what you pay for.
The annoying part about this whole thing is that people are acting like children without understanding the reality of the situation.
DrKersh@reddit
well, their words don't match what they said
To me that sounds like, oooh, your 6950XT have less fps than the 7400, tough cookies, buy a new one, you get no updates for you card unless it crash the game.
_vaxis@reddit
And thats where AMD fucked up. But like i said in a different comment, other people did actually understand what AMD meant, maybe people who have zero understanding what these technical terms actually mean jumped into conclusions
DrKersh@reddit
those words are from an AMD representative, I mean, if AMD says that in the drivers and an AMD representative confirms it, I do not think it's people understanding them, but dunno.
IndexStarts@reddit
100% it was backtracked
ParthProLegend@reddit
All we can do is assume....... Only they know the truth, so instead of arguing, let's share some love.
BerDwi@reddit
You can't seriously blame the tech community for taking AMD by their word, this is solely on AMD.
nisaaru@reddit
I considered hwunboxed response melodramatic and unprofessional.
Cory123125@reddit
In hindsight after AMD literally backtracked.
What?
_vaxis@reddit
but they were quick to misconstrued an article they did not fully understand, which in turn, people preaching their word as the truth.
bubblesort33@reddit
Not misconstrued. They either changed their mind, or fixed a mistake or internal miscommunication.
_vaxis@reddit
Not miscontrued? hbu straight up said AMD was "effectively ending driver support" which hey, they are not, there is a big line between ending driver support vs not developing new features and/or no more game optimization updates, but i guess people are just dumb and make mistakes.
bubblesort33@reddit
"RDNA 1 and RDNA 2 graphics cards will continue to receive driver updates for critical security and bug fixes. To focus on optimizing and delivering new and improved technologies for the latest GPUs, AMD Software Adrenalin Edition 25.10.2 is placing Radeon RX 5000 and RX 6000 series graphics cards (RDNA 1 and RDNA 2) into maintenance mode. Future driver updates with targeted game optimizations will focus on RDNA 3 and RDNA 4 GPUs."
This is the same thing they did to the RX 480/580 a few years ago. No more optimizations. Just critical updates for stability or security. That's what "maintenance mode" meant last time.
BigDaddyTrumpy@reddit
Just a simple typo paragraph. We didn’t mean to say all those words. Simply a typo.
bubblesort33@reddit
Lol. I was trying to be generous. But yeah, it just looks like backpedaling a bad PR move.
9897969594938281@reddit
Since we’re just making shit up - I posit that Hardware Unboxed got them to change their mind and you should be thankful
reticulate@reddit
I guess we're not calling them amdunboxed today then?
Lulzagna@reddit
As someone who is still rocking a 6700xt, I was extremely skeptical of the claim. Glad they were wrong, but that was pretty damaging. So many viewers were claiming they won't buy AMD next over this.
_vaxis@reddit
We need skepticism to be better, and as much as I don’t care about AMDs sales, I care about having options for hardware. Today has been an eye opener, i never knew people could be so loyal to a brand/company or a group of people they don’t actually know apart from daily review videos.
Krigen89@reddit
HardwareUnboxed's WHOLE BUSINESS PLAN is based on outrage. All they do is whine and complain and attack.
They keep reviewing cards on ultra settings and whine about VRAM when they themselves made a video about how ultra settings are dumb.
Stupid and mostly useless channel
_vaxis@reddit
welll, don't know about that, my issue with them is just the misinformation and causing a panic or outcry when there shouldn't be any. AMD fucked up with their announcement and choice of words, and started a flame, then hbu poured gasoline on that thing
diemitchell@reddit
Nah, they made a mistake in the changelogs. Just a simple typo.
Kezika@reddit
They typo'd an entire fucking sentence of 60 words and 431 characters? That's one hell of a typo there. I'm gonna press X to doubt. This is backpedaling, not a typo.
Just yeah, sorry but no, one does not simply accidentally type out "In order to focus on optimizing and delivering new and improved technologies for the latest GPUs, AMD Software Adrenalin Edition 25.10.2 places Radeon RX 5000 series and RX 6000 series graphics cards (RDNA 1 and RDNA 2) in maintenance mode. RDNA 1 and RDNA2 graphics cards will continue to receive driver updates for critical security and bug fixes."
Dark_Catzie@reddit
AI can make much more impresive typos than humans.
Kezika@reddit
Hmm, yeah I suppose feeding it into an LLM and not verifying is also another ridiculously stupid possibility.
zakats@reddit
That's a very expense typo.
Kezika@reddit
And a 60 word, 431 character "typo"
Either we have experienced the cat walking on keyboard version of infinite monkeys on typewriters, or there wasn't a typo, and there's a bicycle going in reverse at AMD headquarters.
Zarmazarma@reddit
I'm betting on the latter, but I wouldn't be surprised if they used the same wording every time they announce putting a product in maintenance mode, and that makes it at least marginally more likely that a section was copy pasted and thus included "by accident".
That being said, I'm 99% sure "clarified" is just the business term, which means, "we fucked up and are walking back what we said".
zakats@reddit
Bingo
Silent-Selection8161@reddit
I'd hate to work in PR for a major company
imagine sitting and staring at what's supposed to be a routine statement, hoping you understand all the things you're supposed to and have somehow delivered that in clear language to average people, the fear that you could somehow blow up millions of dollars (or more) because you didn't phrase something exactly, perfectly right always in the back of your mind
zakats@reddit
Well, this is AMD we're talking about, their PR people are probably 3 unpaid interns and one WW2 vet, all furiously knocking back coffee and chain-smoking.
MiloIsTheBest@reddit
They don't seem that alert.
zakats@reddit
After a few decades of it, we're lucky they have a pulse.
pokerface_86@reddit
keeping in mind that the average person is a fucking idiot with a significant amount of the US borderline illiterate
BarKnight@reddit
It doesn't change what was previously reported. RDNA1 and 2 are being moved the the maintenance branch and so won't be updated the same as the main branch. Saying "game optimizations will continue to be delivered as required by market needs" is just a cop out.
SecreteMoistMucus@reddit
But that is standard for all GPUs from 2 gens previous.
Zarmazarma@reddit
That's not true at all. The 3000 series uses the exact same drivers as the 5000 series and gets them on the same day as the 5000 series... actually, this is true for the 2000 series as well. The 1000 series just went EOL (i.e, only security updates), and that is with the caveat that Windows 10 users actually still get game ready drivers until October of next year.
SecreteMoistMucus@reddit
Getting the same drivers is not the same thing as those drivers containing game optimisations for those cards.
playtech1@reddit
I don't even think AMD's clarification makes things clear at all. AMD says "New features, bug fixes and game optimizations will continue to be delivered as required by market needs in the maintenance mode branch" but 'market needs' is a loophole you could drive a truck through.
Techhead7890@reddit
I feel like a jumbo jet would fly through that gap!
jorel43@reddit
Yes it was, somebody heard what they wanted to hear and ran with it.
DonutsMcKenzie@reddit
AMD should just open source their GPU driver stack on Windows like they do on Linux, where support for oldish cards isn't a problem.
pythonic_dude@reddit
…And then abandon it, like they did on Linux this year, leaving valve contractors and volunteers to improve mesa instead?
Seanspeed@reddit
General driver support will continue, oh my god.
This is about game-specific Day 1 optimizations for certain major new releases.
LotsOfMaps@reddit
Are people actually surprised that they might not optimize four and five year old card drivers for GTA 6 that you’re going to have to run at medium or lower settings without dedicated AI acceleration?
Seanspeed@reddit
It's clear from the first topic about this that a large majority of people in this sub dont have the first clue how any of this actually works. Even at a fairly basic level.
__Rosso__@reddit
That is a good idea but the reason they want to end support is so people buy new cards
jenny_905@reddit
I'm not sure qualifying the commitment with "market needs" is really going to put peoples mind as ease on this. Market needs are not consumer needs.
Seanspeed@reddit
Nothing about Day 1 optimizations have anything to do with 'needs' in the first place.
Do y'all really think Nvidia/AMD were out there optimizing EVERY SINGLE GAME for every generation of GPU of the past 10 years? lol
These have always just been like 'bonus optimizations'. General game support will continue as it always has. Almost nothing is going to actually change.
People are losing their minds over something they really dont understand.
steve09089@reddit
Ah, so if they weren’t doing anything, then why bother making this announcement of change then?
Why bother putting RDNA 2 and 1 into “maintenance” mode if nothing has really changed and this actually doesn’t really save them money?
Ultimate-905@reddit
Maintenance means the driver is considered stable and will not receive updates introducing new functionality, instead maintaining the existing functionality and making fixes for any significant problems that happen in the future. If a new game comes out that is unplayable for a non-hardware issue then it would be the job of the remaining maintenance team to work on a fix. The rest of the people who used to work on developing the drivers for these cards are likely being moved so they can focus their efforts on improving newer cards.
BlueGoliath@reddit
People celebrating when they're clearly weaseling their way out is peak Reddit.
Ultimate-905@reddit
Celebrating? I was never dooming. A little disappointed yes but that's mainly because I wish they were more open and clear about their communication. This wouldn't be a conversation if they had a clearly outlined support plan for each card they produce detailing what kinds of driver updates they get and for how long.
Nordmuth@reddit
This to me is just a fine example of corporate weasel wording. "New features, bug fixes and game optimizations will continue to be delivered as required by market needs in the maintenance mode branch" does not in any way mean that RDNA1 and RDNA2 cards will get game optimizations. AMD after all can simply deem that "market needs" do not include optimizations for "insert popular game of the year number 2" , only "game number 1" in 2026, and no games after that.
So no, unless they fully commit to providing game optimizations and full driver support for an architecture that launched five years ago and is still being shipped in mobile and other products 2025, I don't buy it. It's about trust, and lack of it.
Seanspeed@reddit
You are still getting general game driver support, you're just not getting any sort of 'extra effort' optimizations that AMD might do on their end for the latest games. Tweaks and whatnot that can sometimes get you like 5-10% gains if you're lucky. Usually not even that, though.
This is normal. This is how Nvidia have done things for a long time now. Everybody will still be able to run games as they would. Everybody will still get access to the newest drivers. It's not actually gonna change much of anything. AMD have probably already been doing this for a while now, too. It's just the most sensible thing, since it's unreasonable to ask for game-specific optimizations in driver code for all these different games and with each unique architecture release. Gotta prioritize.
It's crazy how few people seem to get what's going on here.
Nordmuth@reddit
Losing 5-10% performance is exactly the problem, given how heavy modern games are and how popular RDNA2 is. Sure, RDNA1 doesn't support DX12 ultimate and can't handle mesh shaders, maybe you can make an argument about moving that to maintenance branch. But RDNA2?
I could've accepted this sun-setting had it been done in October of 2027, when the RX6000 series would've turned seven years old. But two years after last RDNA2 dGPU launch? With RDNA2 powered APUs, devices and laptops being launched in 2025? With RDNA2 RX6600 being the most popular AMD card in Steam hardware survey?
Sorry, basic game driver support is not enough for me as a consumer at this point in time, and I will absolutely hold it against a company that cuts support far sooner than the competition. AMD can afford to provide full game driver support for an architecture they are using in current products for another year or two.
nisaaru@reddit
Why not expect the game developers actually doing that work and optimise their code for the target HW?
Seanspeed@reddit
Drivers are black boxes. And there's no such thing as 'target hardware' on a PC.
Ultimate-905@reddit
Not AMD's Linux drivers. They are open source and can even be contributed to if a developer finds a problem and makes a fix.
CatsAndCapybaras@reddit
People do expect game developers to optimize their games. However, the GPU manufacturers also release optimized game drivers for their cards. People aren't asking them to start supporting older hardware, they are asking them continuing to do something that their customers expected when they bought the card.
At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter who "should" be responsible for optimal performance. GPU manufacturers have built the expectation of proving some of it, so their customers get a bit pissed if they abandon performance optimizations.
Nordmuth@reddit
In an ideal world yes, developers would fix their software. Given how game development is these days, I don't have high hopes for that.
Seanspeed@reddit
You're not 'losing' performance that you never had, though.
Another thing that's important to note here is that throughout a GPU generation's lifetime, vendors are constantly trying to improve general performance via drivers. After 2-3 years, these optimizations are usually pretty mature, and thus there's simply much less juice to squeeze out of older architectures with any kind of game-specific optimizations.
As for holding this against AMD, again, this is Nvidia's standard practice for a long time. It makes perfect sense to prioritize newer architectures in newer games where there's perhaps more juice to squeeze, and can maybe even learn and improve general driver gains as well.
Nordmuth@reddit
You are very insistent about that nothing has changed, but then why call it maintenance mode? Why not just split the driver stack and quietly do the same? It's baffling that they admitted it.
And furthermore, AMD blindly copying Nvidia is honestly one of the unstated problems I have with this. Nvidia wasn't selling RTX3000 based gaming APUs en-masse to be used in devices 2025. AMD is doing that with RDNA2. It doesn't matter that the architecture is old, if you keep using it in products five years after launch I expect support reflecting that fact.
Bluntly, I expect better support from a company that is selling a less capable product with worse feature set. If you only get as much game optimization support as with Nvidia supposedly, then why on earth would the any consumer even consider AMD at this point?
They have worse upscaler, worse game support, worse feature set (ray tracing, streaming, productivity) and worse resale value.
You are presuming outrage, rather than this being the last straw over a long period of time.
Seanspeed@reddit
General driver support is going to continue, regardless of what it's called.
Again, y'all are really massively overestimating the importance and impact these 'Day 1 Game Optimizations' actually have. That's the real argument here. Nothing much is actually going to change for users on a practical level.
'backwards porting of improvements'
Any improvements that would be described as backported improvements will still benefit older GPU's. You're still gonna have access to the same drivers. Driver support isn't stopping, like some of y'all seem to think.
But most of the 'general' driver optimization improvements for older architectures have already been achieved. There's just less juice to squeeze from these older GPU's, which is another reason it makes perfect sense to focus such Day 1 game-specific optimizations on newer architectures that dont have the same maturity of drivers. Aka - more juice to squeeze.
But it sounds like you already had your mind made up about AMD GPU's, and so for you, this is just confirmation bias at work. Anything to further help justify the judgement you've already made.
And to be clear, I'm an Nvidia owner. Not an AMD/Radeon stan by any means.
JonWood007@reddit
Yeah I aint super happy about this especially since 6000 series cards were offered next to 7000 series for most of their lifespan but at least it isn't cutting driver support entirely. I would agree 2027 is a more reasonable timeline to start sunsetting rdna2.
JonWood007@reddit
Yeah this is my take on it too. 6000 series will get normal driver support, just not the specific optimizations for games. Basically they took away the "fine wine" but still support the predict generally, kinda like how nvidia does for older architectures.
Seanspeed@reddit
That 'Fine Wine' was always about having poor day 1 driver support really. And also having forward thinking features that weren't well supported in their day. And having plenty of memory. lol
JonWood007@reddit
Well that and back in the gcn days amd seemed to iterate more and as a result supported their architectures for far longer. Nvidia on the other hand kept reinventing their tech every couple generations leading to more fragmented support. Rdna is more like nvidia support wise and it's harder for amd to support over longer period of time like they did.
Jonny_H@reddit
I keep seeing AMD doing the hard work then somehow screwing up the communication.
There are some simple uncontroversial facts - "Newer hardware" has more development focus than older hardware. Some feature work requires hardware support from more recent devices. This is true for every vendor, not really mentioned but generally understood, even if not consciously, by the community. Even if they had a million more skilled engineers eclipsing any possible competition, there would still be that bias in focus.
But then AMD keep shouting those facts in the absolute worst way possible, making it easy to dunk on them and get headlines, and any "clarification" just sounds like weaselly corporate backtracking.
It's super frustrating for someone who works in the industry (and even used to work on AMD drivers). And honestly, not just this - I have pretty big confusions in other areas that may be less obvious to consumers, they seem to pay for the majority of the work, then spoiling everything in the last mile.
Seanspeed@reddit
AMD of course have plenty of deficiencies compared to Nvidia in terms of software support.
But this example isn't one of them. They're literally matching Nvidia's standard practice.
LotsOfMaps@reddit
It’s pretty clear that AMD sees the enthusiast graphics card consumer as a test market for newer features they’ll later productize for console and other licensed products. It makes sense too - big orders at higher margins, and lower potential losses (no buybacks) if the end product doesn’t perform well.
Now that PS6 development is in full swing, it makes sense that they’re redirecting their dev resources toward the resources that will actually apply to that GPU.
anonthedude@reddit
Yeah this is AMD basically saying that they'll do something, without actually committing to it. Those cards are still SOL for all intents and purposes.
noiserr@reddit
AMD still updates the drivers for Vega. You guys just love to doom and gloom.
mysticzoom@reddit
This.
andrewdonshik@reddit
until they remerge the driver branches a massive grain of salt is needed
AreYouAWiiizard@reddit
I think what they mean is if game does something extremely poorly and causes significant performance issues and it's easy to fix on both branches they will but they won't bother going out of their way to profile the game for specifically for inefficiency on RDNA 1/2 and optimize for it.
r1y4h@reddit
Per market needs = it depends.
constantlymat@reddit
Indeed because the truth is really that easily revealed. If nothing of substance changed the sentence would have read:
"New features, bug fixes and game optimizations will continue to be delivered as before"
iDontSeedMyTorrents@reddit
This is the statement from AMD. TH is assuming this means day-zero updates and reporting as if that is factually the case.
LowerCauliflower230@reddit
imo this is just AMD trying to have their cake and eat it too. they don't want to promise day 1 updates but they don't want to write it off either(because that would really upset folks, not because they actually want to provide them.)
They need to be more clear about what's actually happening. but they don't want to be clear about it because folks won't like the truth.
theQuandary@reddit
I wonder if they got a call from Gabe.
Jokes aside, the Steamdeck trying to act like a console means that AMD really has to continue RDNA2 support for quite a long time.
This is just one more reason we need a standardized GPU ISA.
makar1@reddit
The Steam Deck uses the open source Mesa driver, and does not require any support from AMD
theQuandary@reddit
Last I checked, AMD devs invested millions of dollars in manpower to Mesa. If they dial back all that support, it will certainly make a big difference in real-world support.
Ultimate-905@reddit
In that case though "dialing back support" would be just moving the engineers they were already paying for to working on features for newer cards instead of spreading them out across cards they want to start moving away from.
megablue@reddit
thats simply wrong, a lot of things are of a GPU are simply a blackbox to a random developer, it has to be AMD to provide a lot of development efforts, otherwise, it is simply no way a developer know what is going on inside a GPUs.
jrr123456@reddit
TBF, Market needs implies day 1 drivers, they are sort of important.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Most people do not even know these drivers exists for their GPU's.
tecedu@reddit
These are installed automatically via windows updates nowdays
Good_luckapollo@reddit
Who doesn't debloat windows and turn off non critical updates?
tecedu@reddit
Normal people who aren’t conspiracy theorists
Good_luckapollo@reddit
Lol but windows is far better when you are a "conspiracy theorist" I bet you don't turn off ads or any spying telemetry either...
Teobsn@reddit
Windows Update famously replaces new (manually) drivers with older ones, especially with AMD...
jrr123456@reddit
Laptop users maybe, anyone with a dGPU knows about driver updates, the software gives a notification when there's a new one
Few_Net_6308@reddit
The vast majority of casual PC gamers, even those with dGPUs, do not update anything unless they are forced to. I have a friend who only updates drivers on his 6700XT when a game flat-out refuses to launch.
jrr123456@reddit
That's just stubbornness, nothing to do with being casual.
anival024@reddit
They are irrelevant unless a game has severe bugs. Because Nvidia slapped a marketing term on it ("game ready") people think hardware has to have updated drivers to support software. It's completely asinine. You might as well say you need a new printer driver for every new program you print from.
jrr123456@reddit
Not at all, as a printer either works or it doesn't, they each have their own driver, but they interact with windows in the same way, the same printer popup appears for formatting the print and vinfirming the size, whether it's portrait or landscape, etc.
Each game engine had different demands on the hardware that impact different architectures in different ways.
If it was as easy as you claim there would just be a standard driver for everything and it would automatically run great on everything.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Can you give an actual real world example of a game benefiting from a driver update in the last 5 years on a 10's series card?
You are just making stuff up dude.
jrr123456@reddit
Every game.
They will all have a benefit even if only slightly.
This is not the experience you absolute halfwit, there's not a standard windows driver that works on both vendors that automatically allows games to run great.
Gpus need their own drivers, and need optimisations within them for each new game and game engine for ultimate performance.
Seanspeed@reddit
They are really not.
I dont know what people think is going on here, but when Nvidia/AMD offer 'Day 1 Game optimizations', they are for specific major releases, where they take some extra effort to try and boost what performance they can from their end of things, via driver tweaks and optimizations. It usually doesn't even amount to a whole lot, and often only for specific situations.
You do NOT need these 'Day 1 game optimizations' to run games properly. They are basically a nice little perk.
And the point of only focusing on the latest architectures is that they can put more priority and effort into them, granting some presumably slightly better results in doing so.
It really is exactly what Nvidia have been doing forever. Many people seem to not understand that just cuz they get access to the latest 'Game Ready Driver' or whatever does not mean there's anything in that driver that will benefit you if you're on a somewhat older generation GPU. I'm still getting Nvidia driver updates for my GTX1070, but I'd be a fool to think Nvidia were actually still taking any effort to optimize things in the very latest games for Pascal GPU's! lol
It's absolutely insane how people are overreacting to this.
jrr123456@reddit
You're completely incorrect, your 1070 is absolutely getting optimisations done in modern titles, the gains may not be as big as newer HW, but there's absolutely a benefit from installing game ready drivers.
Seanspeed@reddit
r/confidentlyincorrect
jrr123456@reddit
It's not a difficult task to do when the architecture is so well understood by the driver team
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Lol....you might as well believe everything works by magic.
Seanspeed@reddit
No man. lol Most of the general driver optimizations for Pascal were matured a long time ago already. Room for improvement would be minimal.
And even less than minimal when we're talking about modern releases that demand a number of features or pure grunt that Pascal literally doesn't support at all.
Again, I think you're very much not understanding what the role of these 'driver optimizations' are. They are 'extra boosts' when possible, and even then, those boosts are often quite limited and/or situational.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Can you give one actual real world example?
EmergencyCucumber905@reddit
Nvidia doesn't test game performance on Pascal anymore. Not for a long time. Any performance optimization is just a secondary benefit of optimization targeting newer archs.
jrr123456@reddit
They absolutely do, hence why sometimes when a game comes out, they will note known issues with said HW in that game in the release notes, they only know that because they have tested it.
Happens quite often.
Seanspeed@reddit
This isn't about 'issues'. It's about driver optimizations for slight performance boosts. That's it.
Cheerful_Champion@reddit
They really are. Performance optimizations are one thing, but, unless something changed, these drivers also include a lot of workarounds / fixes for "quirks" (e.g. API misuse so driver literally has to "fix" it)
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Can you give an example of this from the last 5 years?
Seanspeed@reddit
And AMD are making it clear that they'll still work on those sorts of issues. Which of course they would.
FinalBase7@reddit
1070 is 9 years old, RDNA2 was refreshed 3 years ago, yes it's not necessary but still a slap in the face, especially considering the overwhelming feature gap between RDNA2 and RTX 30 series and even the older RTX 20 series which got partial support for DLSS 4.
Seanspeed@reddit
DLSS is a feature. It has nothing to do with Day 1 game optimizations. Feature level support can be backported to older gens where applicable still, they aren't denying that at all.
FinalBase7@reddit
Yes but is putting RDNA2 in maintenance mode really a good sign it will continue recieving new festures? And keep in mind everyone here is kinda excusing RDNA1 even tho RDNA1 is as old as Turing which is still fully supported, the point is that game optimization is frankly not all that big of a deal, but the fact Nvidia not only provides optimizations for a generation older than RDNA2 but also still giving them brand new cutting edge features really highlights how bad this is. RDNA 1 and 2 launched with a feature gap vs Nvidia that only widened over time and now they're giving up on them sooner too.
Did Polaris or Vega recieve any new features since they were put in maintenance mode like RDNA2 now?
Fritzkier@reddit
tbf this is just classic AMD being dumb at PR as usual. I don't understand why they didn't just do what Nvidia did and just shut up. Somehow they need to make different wording for some reason.
For example Polaris, RX 580 is still trade blows with GTX 1060, but some people afraid using 580 because its driver isn't updated frequently anymore compared to 1060.
LotsOfMaps@reddit
There’s literally nothing they could say that wouldn’t have the streamers screeching about “anti-consumer practices”
Fritzkier@reddit
I mean yeah, at this point I agree. But AMD doesn't need to say "RDNA 1 and 2 is in maintenance mode" if the cards is still supported in the first place.
pokerface_86@reddit
there have been a few games out there where i try running them without the latest drivers and experience a stuttery fuck fest but after installing the drivers get a smooth experience. don’t have any examples off the dome cause it’s been a while since i haven’t had updated drivers but it certainly still happens (4080 so not like im running some shit hardware either)
Seanspeed@reddit
That's just random driver fuckery, though. Can happen with older or newer GPU's. Heck, even among people with the same GPU and the same drivers, some people might experience issues that others dont.
That's not what this is about, anyways. Obviously if there was some major release and older AMD GPU's were performing way under what should be expected, they can still address that. That's a different thing.
_vaxis@reddit
mate, you need to be at the top of every post relating to this, but i don't think people will still understand how unimportant 'Day 1 game optimizations' really is. oh and, if you've seen hbu's video, you'd understand why these people are overreacting
jrr123456@reddit
No, he doesn't, to say day 1 drivers aren't important is complete misinformation.
Back when AMD gave more detailed info on their driver pages, there were regularly 10+% gains from day 1 drivers in optimized titles.
Lalaz4lyf@reddit
Trusting those numbers to not be incredibly cherry picked or straight false is crazy
jrr123456@reddit
They aren't false, they will be from more demanding scenarios obviously, but that's where the performance gain matters the most.
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
When are they not charitable in interpretation for AND
KekeBl@reddit
What does this mean exactly?
f3n2x@reddit
It means they'll do shit unless the game crashes at launch.
dorting@reddit
This is huge
SomeoneBritish@reddit
What the hell does “as required” even mean.
I feel something is still off here, but can’t determine if due to their vague backpedaling language.
Screw Radeon. I’d rather pay NVIDIA tax to have confidence in my product being supported for more than 2 years since I bought it NEW from retail.
Seanspeed@reddit
Nvidia literally doesn't do any different. They are just quieter about it. They've always focused their Day 1 optimizations on their latest two architectures and that's pretty much it.
And 'as required' means they'll still step in if a specific major game performs unexpectedly poorly for some GPU generation, to where it's a real issue.
These older GPU's will still be 'supported'. They just wont get like extra effort optimizations on the vendor's part. They'll still run games just like every other game out there runs without this explicit extra support.
hackenclaw@reddit
RTX20 series is still getting that new DLSS update that improved its quality.
Seanspeed@reddit
That's a feature, not a Day 1 game-specific driver optimization.
It's very depressing that y'all dont understand the difference. The ONLY thing AMD talked about here was about the Day 1 Game-specific optimizations. Not feature support. Or even general driver support.
Elysium_nz@reddit
lol you think NVIDIA care about gaming GPUs when it only accounts for 7% of their revenue?
SomeoneBritish@reddit
I don’t care what NVIDIA thinks. I only care about the value I receive for my investment, and NVIDIA is bodying Radeon in that regard.
If I bought an NVIDIA GPU when I bought my 6700XT I’d now be enjoying DLSS4 and full driver support for newly launched games.
Kilz-Knight@reddit
You would have 8gb of vram tho
__Rosso__@reddit
Extra VRAM is pointless if your GPU isn't getting proper updates
8GB you can use vs 12 you can't
Kilz-Knight@reddit
What? Why would you not be able to use? You can still play the games even if you use an older driver lol..
__Rosso__@reddit
Poorly optimised drivers will mean you won't even be able to use full performance of the card and thus, won't be able to fill enough RAM where you had any gains from having more of it.
Kilz-Knight@reddit
Dude, rx 580 beat gtx 1060 even if the drivers are way older, rdna 1 & 2 will still receive driver updates
SomeoneBritish@reddit
Not sure now. I’m not sure if those 4GB VRAM outweighing not having DLSS4 and full driver support.
Kilz-Knight@reddit
It still gets driver support, and +50% vram is very useful, why do you think everybody avoids 8gb gpu's Running out of vram is the worst thing that can happen as textures has no cost of performance if you have enough vram
SomeoneBritish@reddit
It still gets driver support “as required”. That’s very unspecific and worrisome.
Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate not being with 8GB VRAM.
Seanspeed@reddit
If you bought an Ampere or older generation, you would not be getting any Day 1 optimizations, either. Something like DLSS4 is general feature support and not what is being talked about here. AMD can still offer such feature support for older GPU's where applicable.
virtualmnemonic@reddit
They at least pretend to care, and have for decades.
Even RTX 2000 series gets the latest DLSS upscaling. AMD legitimately leaked a FSR4 build that's compatible with RDNA2/3 yet pulled it like it never existed.
Elysium_nz@reddit
Oh look here appears you guys are raging over nothing.🙄
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpu-drivers/amd-clarifies-that-rdna-1-and-2-will-still-get-day-zero-game-support-and-driver-updates-discrete-gpus-and-handhelds-will-still-work-with-future-games
bmyvalntine@reddit
I think from next time onwards they will silently stop doing this.
Seanspeed@reddit
Just know this has been standard practice from Nvidia for a very long time now.
BlueGoliath@reddit
Nvidia supports GPUs for much longer.
Seanspeed@reddit
With Day 1 game-specific optimizations? No, they really dont.
You guys are pretty much all massively misled on this.
Viper-Reflex@reddit
this probably means AMD literally actively wants to exit the consumer GPU market and only make CPU or data centers
constantlymat@reddit
A more favorable reading is that AMD has finally given in and accepted defeat by acknowledging that nvidia's path they started with Turing was the right and only way forward and they decided to abandon all their half-baked solutions before they arrived where they wanted to go with RDNA4.
However what AMD needs to do to make that credible is a public 7-year commitment to RDNA4.
Seanspeed@reddit
Again, all these GPU's are still gonna get driver updates. Just not Day 1 optimizations for the latest games.
It's no different than Nvidia.
Viper-Reflex@reddit
then why havent they said this? this is just conjecture
Seanspeed@reddit
You guys are losing your minds over this. lol
It's nothing serious.
SirActionhaHAA@reddit
It launched more than 5 yrs ago. The date you bought it has no relevance.
bmyvalntine@reddit
Umm but it does? They should stop selling them if they no longer plan to support?
I-Beyazid-I@reddit
There are still GTX cards sold in the online stores. Does that mean that each and every card which still might be sold has to be supported?
But I still don't like the fact that 5 years are said to be enough for full support. The 6000 cards are fine as they are and would easily have 2-3 more years of life in them for great gaming experiences
Seanspeed@reddit
What do you mean 'would'? What do you think has actually changed here?
I think y'all dont realize that most of the general optimizing for RDNA2 for gaming has been done by now. That general driver support is pretty mature.
These Day 1 optimizations are more about game-specific bonus optimizations for major releases. You'll maybe get like 5% more performance or something.
Little to nothing will change in regards to how RDNA2 will run new games.
AtLeastItsNotCancer@reddit
They sure as hell didn't stop making them 5 years ago. 2 years ago there was still plenty of stock of RDNA 2 cards left at retailers. Today you can still buy plenty of APUs with RDNA 2 integrated graphics. Hell, Zen 3 APUs come with Vega iGPUs, and those have been on maintenance mode for a while even though you can still easily buy them new.
PracticalSecret7245@reddit
Aka "We saw your outrage, and we aren't changing anything, but like uhh yeah market needs and conditions and stuff"
Seanspeed@reddit
It doesn't mean GPU's are becoming 'unsupported', it's just no game-specific bonus optimizations via driver tweaks for the latest releases.
Sevastous-of-Caria@reddit
Which no company does after one generation leap to increase specific card performance.
Seanspeed@reddit
Right. Nvidia has always 'supported' Day 1 optimizations for their two most recent generations. And that's it. Exact same thing.
It would take insane amounts of human resources to optimize every game for every generation of GPU with very unique and game-specific Day 1 driver optimizations. Of course they have to prioritize.
This probably isn't even a new practice for AMD.
MrCleanRed@reddit
This is false. 3080 got bf6 update
Seanspeed@reddit
Just the 3080? Not all other Ampere parts, or any Turing parts, or Pascal parts? Just the 3080?
constantlymat@reddit
Market needs = We'll make sure it will run GTA VI.
WarEagleGo@reddit
ahhh, now I understand
or if the publisher pays AMD for support...
ClerkProfessional803@reddit
Maintenance branch is where GPU's go to take a powder. I can't remember the last time performance got better on a gpu after it was sunsetted.
noiserr@reddit
It's a mature driver and GPU. You weren't going to get a major performance uplift on it anyway.
jenny_905@reddit
Is that the /r/amd_stock line or the truth?
BlueGoliath@reddit
Source: AMD.
Dont see any conflicts of interests here.
pi314156@reddit
This is what they said before when they put Polaris and Vega to maintenance mode:
tldr: this new statement is a nothingburger and doesn't change anything
TheGreenTormentor@reddit
People are literally acting like AMD completely stopped all driver updates and their GPUs will immediately explode. AMD’s mistake was even mentioning this whole thing.
Muted-Garlic1886@reddit
They still ignore It the same on RTX 20/RTX 30 there sunsetting while the focus Is RTX 40/RTX 50. This gotta be the worst case of AMD Anti's making a nothingburger into a full scale civil war.
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
No, you are making that up
Sevastous-of-Caria@reddit
And rx580 still crushes new titles like Bf6. So yes statement foesnt change anything. It just puts a new light on peoples fears that they cant play new games at all. Nvidias naming driver updates game ready drivers misled many people cause old cards dont get any specific tweaks to new games anyway.
kuug@reddit
The “clarification” creates more questions than answers. They were quite clear yesterday, only security and bug fixes. This caveated backtrack means nothing. I’m not dropping $1000 for a GPU that’s only going to get 3 years of support again. I’m going Nvidia next time and never trusting AMD again
steve09089@reddit
Me when I shoot myself in the foot then realized I may have needed that foot
hackenclaw@reddit
they tried to U-turn without actually committing that u-turn.
NOPE. I will never buy Radeon again unless you have 70% more performance for the same price.
bjt23@reddit
It was kinda nonsensical if that's what they were planning. You can buy a brand new SteamDeck or PS5 with RDNA2. They already have to do a lot of the work to support those systems.
Seanspeed@reddit
This is irrelevant to consoles.
Steam Deck is Linux.
bjt23@reddit
Yeah thanks I'm aware the PS5 doesn't run Windows. What I'm saying is, this is a supported product in some sense, why drop support solely for Windows? That's confusing. Plus they probably have team members actively familiar with RDNA2, surely some of that knowledge is portable across operating systems from an institutional standpoint. Obviously there is additional Windows specific work that will need to be done, which has a cost, but again probably still easier than if Windows was the only platform these chips are used in.
Seanspeed@reddit
They aren't 'dropping support'.
They're just not getting Day 1 optimizations for very specific major releases. That's it.
AMD is simply more openly admitting what Nvidia have also been doing for like the past 15+ years.
Fritzkier@reddit
AFAIK Linux doesn't have day 1 game ready driver anyway so it's really Windows specific. And I hate to say this bevause this looks like I'm defending AMD (it's not, also they disabled the usb c for whatever reason) but day 1 game ready driver honestly barely matters.
hansrotec@reddit
It was a very nice foot, the stump sorta works now, but not nearly as well as the lost foot
angry_RL_player@reddit
Obvious. Such an overreaction from reddit, probably agents for team green.
Hayden247@reddit
Sure, because me, a RX 6950 XT owner is totally an agent for Team Green.
No, sorry that I'm angry that my 3 year old GPU is going to be thrown in the trash to be deemed as a legacy GPU only deserving of maintenance driver support. I still want INT8 FSR4 as the leak shows its a perfectly viable option if AMD actually just finished it up and shipped it officially to these GPUs.
angry_RL_player@reddit
AMD has never been unethical or hostile to consumers, really they deserve the benefit of the doubt here.
SpaceAngelMewtwo@reddit
LOL
HideousTroll@reddit
Now I have to wonder who's the agent here...
WHY_DO_I_SHOUT@reddit
Huh? They very much have! There was e.g. that incident when they tried to restrict Zen 3 to B550 and X570 chipsets. They only walked back that decision after an intense community backlash.
noiserr@reddit
This is such a stupid fucking comment. There was a technical issue with these bords having lass BIOS storage. In the end they figured out the way to fix it. But even if they did restrict it, you are still talking about AM4. The best socket in the history when it comes to how broad the support is.
__Rosso__@reddit
Lmao what?
AMD is barely any better than Nvidia.
Actually scratch that, their naming scheme for laptop CPUs is downright predatory.
Bemused_Weeb@reddit
I do think the community here largely overreacted (and I'm still using RDNA 1 myself), but isn't surmising that the angry Redditors are paid off by NVIDIA or something like that a bit much? It's not strange to be unhappy that two- & three-generation-old products are no longer being prioritized in driver updates.
That said, maybe this is a bigger deal for those who only or primarily use Windows than it would be for a Linux user like me, since there aren't wider community projects like Mesa to pick up the slack.
angry_RL_player@reddit
only real human beings use AMD
Reggitor360@reddit
Wouldn't be the first time Nvidia paid for astroturfing.
Same shit happened when their Fermi aka Thermi went up in fire, same when GTX900s were catching fire due driver issues, then again with RTX20s memory deaths, then with RTX40/50s melting connectors.
Beneficial_Common683@reddit
"day zero" support vs "zero" support. Damn AMD
Relaxybara@reddit
I guess they are planning on exiting the consumer GPU market then. So that's a solid no buy for me for the next few years at least until they've proven that they support their products throughout their useful lifespan. I have a 2070 max q laptop that's still well supported after a considerable amount of time, and a 6400 that I just bought for a sff build that is now unsupported. If I was within a return window for any amd card I'd be looking for a refund immediately.
smasher1223@reddit
what kind of room temp iq ahh take is this? They are saying hey, its a well built product and doesnt benefit as much as a brand new GPU would from having day one updates and so to save on support cost we arent going to provide it DAY ONE support, not that they are just letting it die, no...they said they aren't going to provide the updates as if it was a new GPU. Like holy...this has to be ragebait, or you can't read. Most likely both seeing how most americans lack reading comprehension, I promise you your RX 6700 is still going to cook on your 1080p monitor.
Relaxybara@reddit
Thanks for your reassurance random amd person not affiliated with the company, but that still doesn't change the fact that they are making their intentions clear: they will not support these generations of cards at the same level that has been customary in the industry up to this time. And for that reason their value has declined drastically. Most folks don't upgrade more than every three generations, and when AMD deprecates their support for a generation that is still on sale right now that's anti-consumer and a bad deal.
ShogoXT@reddit
We need Vulkan support as well! The notes point to never getting FSR4 for Vulkan and decoder support as well.
Firefox is merging with the Linux version so hardware acceleration might end up relying on it in the future.
Also other apps like DXVK and other layers will be hurt by this segmentation and already dropped old GPUs.
JonWood007@reddit
Okay to translate a bit to what this means: so....They're gonna makensure the games work, but again bo optimizations. What does this mean? Well look at the typical and "fine wine" arguments, amd often continues to optimize drivers for games while nvidia will still provide driver updates, but won't optimize for older architectures. That's why the gtx 600/700 series started lagging behind say, amd's 7000/200 series and the 900/1000 series started lagging behind the 400/500 series. Nvidia stopped specific optimizations for older cards while amd continued them. This meant amd cards often started performing better than older equivalent nvidia cards.
Amd won't be providing game level optimizations but will stolil provide driver support to ensure the games work.
To be fair nvidia probably does this too. I could see then optimizing for 4000/5000 series but whatever the 2000/3000 get they get. Nvidia tends to focus on their newest 1-2 architectures and whatever happens to the older ones happens. Doesn't mean nvidia stops providing driver support, they just won't get "game optimizations." You know what I'm saying?
JonWood007@reddit
Well as long as the games work...
SirActionhaHAA@reddit
They are splitting the driver branches into redstone supported and not supported. An fsr update is happening soon.
Seanspeed@reddit
This doesn't rule out feature support for older RDNA gens at all. Day 1 driver optimizations have nothing to do with general feature support. Whole different things.
imaginary_num6er@reddit
Good. Probably Hardware Unboxed’s video helped
InformalAd202@reddit
No, it seems he just made a big fuss out of something he didn't understand in order to gain clicks
__Rosso__@reddit
How DARE he ATTACK my previous little multi billion dollar company!
InformalAd202@reddit
I don't even have a PC mate stop choking the drama farming's dic
noiserr@reddit
Let's not pretend like these guys don't love drama. We are in a quiet period as far as hardware releases were concerned. They jumped on this as soon as they could.
Muted-Garlic1886@reddit
He did the same by calling 7900xtx owners deulsional for not upgrading to 9070xt, Despite the fact the XTX Is still stronger card.
kikimaru024@reddit
Hardware Unboxed has turned into an outrage farmer.
PracticalSecret7245@reddit
No he just accurately reported the info.
AMD just gave a "well he's right but market needs and blah and blah and blah" save face attempt.
noiserr@reddit
They said AMD was ending hardware support on RDNA1 and 2. Even if you read the initial announcement from AMD. They never said they were ending support. They just said they moved RDNA1 and 2 to the maintenance branch.
viperabyss@reddit
HUB has been an outrage farmer for years now.
INITMalcanis@reddit
Hard not to when there's so much to be outraged about.
peruka@reddit
Did you mean: Gamers Nexus?
advester@reddit
Maybe "market needs" means "Battlefield 6 runs perfectly fine, so stop bitching about your game-ready driver nonsense. If a new game or windows change actually makes rdna1 crap out, we'll look into it because that's what maintenance mode has always meant."
ahoypolloi69@reddit
I think this whole thing is a prelude to announcing that FSR4-lite won't be officially supported on rdna2.
airmantharp@reddit
They sure romeo-foxed that announcement...
BarKnight@reddit
This is just marketing speech, as they still confirm that these drivers are in the maintenance branch.
Sevastous-of-Caria@reddit
Which is overblown from poor amd wording. Right now they are the same situation as rtx 30 cards. New game ready updates dont get tailored to old cards. They just run the same dx12 cuda branch that the card bios and its power provides. In fact. New frivers make my and many users old cards slower too so people revert to old drivers or dont take new updates. I still disagree on RDNA2 vendor decision powering handhelds and consoles. But Im not a architecture engineer so this "maintenance mode" is a fluke to us?
bobloadmire@reddit
TBH I want all my drivers to be maintained
_vaxis@reddit
Right? Lmao love this
wizfactor@reddit
To be honest, dropping RDNA1 was fair, but RDNA2 was dumb.
There is a gaming handheld being sold brand new, right now that ships with RDNA2, the Xbox ROG Ally. Making a 2nd class citizen out of a device that just launched in late 2025 is just dumb AF.
AMD could have probably avoided this blowback if they were just more aggressive in their GPU strategy for their APUs. Like, there shouldn’t have been a new RDNA2 APU in 2025, full stop. Also, it doesn’t make sense for other modern APUs to still be RDNA3 or 3.5 this late in the hardware lifecycle. If AMD/Radeon were actually firing on all cylinders, RDNA4 APUs should have already released by now.
v12vanquish@reddit
Even then, amd just rebranded some apus with rdna 2 in them as ryzen 100 cpus. my laptop has the 7735hs and a 7700s gpu. smart access graphics which was their competitng solution for optimus no longer works because i need a different driver for the apu and a different driver for the 7700s. my laptop is only 1 year old
Nerwesta@reddit
Why would it be fair exactly ?
EnglishBrekkie_1604@reddit
Because RDNA 1 is older, nowhere near as widespread (RDNA 1 is only in the RX 5000 series, a fairly small generation, whilst RDNA 2 is in RX 6000, a big one, AND APUs, AND consoles!), and is missing key hardware features (namely mesh shaders and hardware RT) which means it’s aging pretty poorly.
Nerwesta@reddit
Point taken. I'm not sure why this would warrant throwing an entire gen under the bus like that, were the older gens the same ? Not sure.
jrr123456@reddit
Lack of DX12 ultimate support
wizfactor@reddit
RDNA1 is old enough at this point, without support for DirectX 12 Ultimate.
Nvidia honestly has the edge in that they’re still technically supporting Turing, but I’m at least willing to let “underdog” AMD let go of an architecture that can no longer keep up with modern gaming feature sets.
Nerwesta@reddit
To me it would be the exact contrary especially on these days and ages ( let's not ignore the sad state of that market )
Nvidia can get away because they are leading.
Either way, people are very quick to accept how the news dropped while RDNA 1 having (stated) updates a month ago wasn't even an afterthought, I find it a bit bizarre.
INITMalcanis@reddit
Multiple gaming handhelds!
WarEagleGo@reddit
what the heck does market needs means? Only if AMD users demand such game optimizations per title
Seanspeed@reddit
It means if there's a major game releasing running particularly and unexpectedly poorly on a specific GPU architecture, they might still step in and see if they can do something about it.
But this is rarely an issue. All these RDNA2 GPU's will still generally run newer games as they would have. These Day 1 optimizations usually dont amount to all that much in reality, anyways.
unixmachine@reddit
I don't really believe it. The text is basically the same as when they abandoned Vega and Polaris.
FitCress7497@reddit
If nothing changed they wouldn't have been put in maintenance branch. It's just that simple
Sopel97@reddit
it's exactly the same message, people will still not understand and spread outrage
ClerkProfessional803@reddit
Amd already clarified that the original supposition was correct. So this is a back track. Which is no different than how AMD always operates.
Nerwesta@reddit
I appreciate they didn't wait for so long to scramble their PR stunts.
DreSmart@reddit
the problem is in both sides 1st the weak comunication from AMD 2nd side the usual clickbait and disinformation from people with lack to understand basic semantics
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