AMD Throws Loyal Radeon Customers Into The Trash
Posted by jerryfrz@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 414 comments
Posted by jerryfrz@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 414 comments
Acrobatic_Fee_6974@reddit
It's especially bizarre when you realise how many products RDNA2 is present in. Not just discrete GPUs, but current gen consoles, rembrandt APUs in a lot of budget laptops, and Zen 4 and 5 desktop CPUs (though there are probably not many people gaming on these at least). Dropping RDNA1 support is understandable given how few products lines it was used in, but RDNA2 is still extremely relevant on top of not being that old.
lovely_sombrero@reddit
HBU pointed out that Asus ROG Xbox Ally, a console that launched ~2 weeks ago, is RDNA2!!
Eeve2espeon@reddit
Aka: The Steam deck but with Asus and Xbox branding for more
Gtwrkdm8@reddit
Using a better processor, more economic design, and a higher refresh panel. But sure we’ll go with the same thing as the Steam Deck. it also has somewhat better battery life and if you put steam OS on, it runs even better.
Eeve2espeon@reddit
The processer is EXACTLY THE SAME you clod. the Ryzen Z2A is the exact same GPU and CPU it just has a different name slapped onto it. 799 CAD is absolutely not worth it even with the higher refresh rate panel, "better" ergonomics, and bigger battery :/
This thing is worth 599CAD maximum. There is no way you're being this much of an xbot defending such an incredibly overpriced and horribly configured system. There are not that many games you can run on a system with this low of specs and be able to get anywhere near 1080p, even WITH SteamOS
Gtwrkdm8@reddit
A.) The Z2A has a higher TDP and is in a device that no-one should buy as it's specs are about as good as the Steam Deck I can agree with that, however the base model ally is only $50 more than the equivalent OLED sku
B.) The Z2 Extreme that is in the Ally X is a major improvement to the Aerith chip in the Steam Deck and for $350 more than the 1TB OLED Steam Deck you are getting a performance boost, more ram, bigger battery, and better I/O in the form of two USB4 ports including one that meets the spec for Thunderbolt 4.
C.) Just because you don't like the price of something does not mean that it isn't worth it to someone. The only reason that the Steam Deck can be as cheap as it is, is because Valve prints money with their 30% cut on all platform sales, whereas ROG is unable to compete due to not being able to subsidize the costs even with the help of Microsoft. If you do think that the Ally is overpriced there is an easy solution, Don't buy it. If you truly hate this luxury product to the point of attacking anyone who points out that is might have some value to them, then it's time for you to step away from the internet for a bit and do some self reflection.
Eeve2espeon@reddit
Imagine being this confidently wrong. You literally have not looked at the specs for the CPU and GPU of the Z2A, its literally the fucking same.
Also THE PRICE LITERALLY ISN'T WORTH IT! The amount of defending Microsoft here for an inherently worse product is insane.
TwoCylToilet@reddit
I hope u meant ergonomic
Gtwrkdm8@reddit
Yes, Apple’s voice to text is shockingly horrible
casual_brackets@reddit
Not to undermine the shitty behavior from AMD but … rog ally from years back uses z1 extreme which is RDNA 3, and the Xbox ally uses z2 which is rdna 3. If he says that, he’s just wrong.
ThankGodImBipolar@reddit
Worst part about that is that neither MS or Asus will give a shit, because if they did, they’d have skipped launching that product in the first place
Ok-Reputation1716@reddit
It's RDNA3.5 Steamdeck's Van Gogh is RDNA2 if I remember right.
RZ_Domain@reddit
The Xbox Ally uses RDNA2 bro wtf u on about
Ok-Reputation1716@reddit
Ah I thought they mentioned XBAX.
ActuallyTiberSeptim@reddit
I only bought my RX 6750 XT in 2023. 😭
seatux@reddit
I am half torn about it. I got 6700xt last year with the thought of running Linux and Windows. Should have taken a shot with the B580 in hindsight.
Kreos2688@reddit
At least with linux, you can rely on open source driver support. So I think only windows users should be effected.
seatux@reddit
It hurts a tad because I still play EA WRC (has anticheat) and using a Moza wheel ( is there even Linux support) so still stuck with Windows just for that. The game runs poorly as it is on Windows, could end up better or worse in Linux?
Kreos2688@reddit
I was reading a bit more, and it sounds like they aren't completely ending support. So you might be OK. I've never played that game, so no idea if it will run better. It might, or it could be about the same. You could get an idea of how it will run by seeing if anyone has done benchmarks on it on YouTube. If youre not sure something will work, or need help doing something on linux, grok has been really helpful for me.
DCS30@reddit
You're fine. I got that card at launch and I'm running it for at least a few more years. Still a solid card and will be, despite the lack of support.
Nicholas-Steel@reddit
Don't forget Steam Deck.
dorchegamalama@reddit
Did you know Valve using RADV Driver, Linux Driver didn't affect by this change.
Kreos2688@reddit
Good time to be a linux user lol.
Nicholas-Steel@reddit
You can install Windows on the Steam Deck.
imaginary_num6er@reddit
That’s like downgrading to an ASUS Ally
BlindChicken69@reddit
Why would you do that?
mrheosuper@reddit
To play game not work on steam
werpu@reddit
There are not that many which do not run! A handful mostly multiplayer, i literally have almost 100% of my extensive Steam library running!
mrheosuper@reddit
And your point is ? I should not play game ?
werpu@reddit
You can, but you wont get day 1 patches, but given that most recent AAA titles overwhelm the Steam Deck by now a moot point again. Drivers still will be available in Windows but not day 1 drivers! And that the SD is not really affected by it due to its linux nature is the entire point, you never got day 1 patches for it anyway!
But if you install Windows on a Steam Deck just to play about 3 games which do not work in Linux, you have to ask yourself the question wouldn´t you be better off with another console which probably will get you more performance. You usually buy the SD for the console like experience and for the inputs but other consoles have surpassed it in performance by now, and also come with Windows but with a less user friendly experience out of the box!
I have yet to hear about a person runnung windows on that thing permanently!
mrheosuper@reddit
When SD was released, there were very few options in market, either $1000 Chinese windows handheld, or $400 SD with decent performance.
werpu@reddit
Literally no one does that, yes you can, but there are no benefits of doing it!
dorchegamalama@reddit
Back to SteamOs ;)
werpu@reddit
Yes but Steam Deck is Linux so no problem!
Bananaland_Man@reddit
Yeah, people are blowing this out of proportion, Amd stated maintenance mode will still get game updates and other things, just no new features. And the USB-c thing was a mistake on their part, they've fixed it.
Their announcement was poorly worded, all's okay now.
wrosecrans@reddit
It really does seem like clickbait and ragebait.
At this point, AMD has probably exposed pretty much everything the hardware actually does in the drivers. Even if they were doing ongoing feature work for the drivers, if a game comes out next year that requires a new feature then the old hardware probably wouldn't run it regardless.
Bananaland_Man@reddit
yeah
SEI_JAKU@reddit
It's not really bizarre when you realize that AMD isn't "dropping support" and that this is all misinformation.
imaginary_num6er@reddit
I mean they dropped VEGA non-security support within the same year new APUs with VEGA were released. I guess this is one way to force AMD laptops to buy new chips
seatux@reddit
There is the rebrand of older Ryzen mobile APU already,
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1ohh7fp/amd_again_reshuffles_mobile_lineup_with_ryzen_10/
So time to get the same old tech, just with a new name and usually the same price.
imaginary_num6er@reddit
Are the GPU drivers rebranded too? That 2022 model G14 is no longer supported with the latest gaming drivers due to it using a RX 6800S GPU and 6800HS CPU
raydialseeker@reddit
Hahahahga.
My 8 year old 2060 is chillin with dlss4 in a media server for super resolution
luftwaffles22@reddit
Same with my 2080 ti
werpu@reddit
Only with hacks the 20xx series only officially Supports dlss1 and 2
raydialseeker@reddit
Nope. Native DLSS 4
theholylancer@reddit
Man the 6000 series was the ONE gen where by god, they compted at the top end
a 3080 vs 6800XT was a tough choice, and if it wasnt for the evga queue I would have likely grabbed either that was for sale for MSRP in the depths of pandemic.
and IIRC it was the most successive gen recently if you looked at steam hw survey
and now its getting axed, while even the 20 series are not...
alpacadaver@reddit
Wasn't a tough choice at all, this is a great example of the difference between the two companies. Not a told you so, but also... It was at no point in contention based on all the history and the market / software positioning at the time.
Kittelsen@reddit
What resolution are you playing at? My 3080 didn't have enough VRAM for the highest textures in Diablo4 when I played at 3440x1440, and lowering it to the next highest texture was a proper downgrade in quality as it looked very blurry in comparison. I ended up upgrading it 2 years ago due to that.
DreiImWeggla@reddit
Yeah he's full of shit, my 3080 does not have enough VRAM for BF6 and is struggling a lot in RT games.
Chrystoler@reddit
I have a 10 GB 3080 and battlefield runs completely fine, although I am at 1440p
doodullbop@reddit
I have no issues with BF6 at 3440x1440 on a 10gb 3080. Textures on ultra too. I cap to 120 fps and if it drops below it's because I'm CPU bound by my 5800X3D which is surprising to me.
omg_its_david@reddit
"Hey if I render 30% less pixles it works fine!"
lordlors@reddit
4k monitors are still not that prevalent and having higher resolutions on smaller monitors makes no sense. 4k on 24inch is not necessary for example. So it’s not like there is a need for higher resolutions like there is a need for improvement of graphics.
Forward-Weight403@reddit
Speak for yourself, my 32 inch 4k monitor paired with my 5090 slaps
lordlors@reddit
4k is only good for 27inch and upper fyi.
airmantharp@reddit
3080 12GB, 3840x1600, no issues with VRAM. It's not fast enough to do frame-gen, which would be nice, but incurs some serious input latency.
omg_its_david@reddit
Bro you're tripping I had to replace 3080ti because it was clearly showing age and couldn't keep up with modern games.
punktd0t@reddit
Right now a 10GB 3080 is often performing much worse than a 16GB 6800XT.
BandicootKitchen1962@reddit
So its stuttering at ultra settings instead of 6800xt's 40 fps. 3080 has dlss 4 and that is the end of the comparison.
punktd0t@reddit
DLSS doesn’t matter if your vram is full. It’s more like 70 FPS smooth vs 20 FPS stutter. Less than 12GB is not worth it in 2025.
BandicootKitchen1962@reddit
DLSS does matter when the game forces horrendous TAA. Making vram arguments is pointless when these cards can not even run those settings at an acceptable framerate. If your target frames are below 100 i suggest you get on with modern standards.
punktd0t@reddit
But they can run these games, if the VRAM is available. You are just lying.
BandicootKitchen1962@reddit
"At an acceptable framerate". Good your game is running stable at 40, with ghosty taa or muddy fsr.
theholylancer@reddit
I mean, I brought a 2080 TI, and at launch, I still maintain that there was very little games for it, BFV and Control were it, and if you didnt like them then tough
and DLSS1 was shit too, esp BFV with RT on and DLSS on, it wasnt great tech at the time.
and by the time DLSS was widespread, its more the 30 series and 100% in the 40 series.
it wasn't what swayed me buying a 2080 ti, it was EVGA's support and warranty. and the fact that i had a 4k60 screen and nothing, NOTHING else can push that properly raw or DLSS.
capybooya@reddit
Absolutely, 2080Ti wasn't a great buy at the time, way too expensive for uncertain future feature support. Buyers just got lucky with the longevity of it later on, as well as the covid shortage.
resetallthethings@reddit
To be completely fair
there was several years there back in the day where PhysX was the extra feature that was being sold as the reason to get Nvidia, and that wound up amounting to nothing.
So it wasn't entirely unreasonable to expect that DLSS wouldn't amount to anything either
that_70_show_fan@reddit
You are doing your customers dirty by not using pro-level hardware.
you_drown_now@reddit
they pay for a service, not a part name
moofunk@reddit
Customers can ask for consumer hardware specifically for renting it at lower prices.
ClerkProfessional803@reddit
Without driver side assistance that 6800xt will likely reach parity with a 3070, when the dust clears. Pretty sure the 6950xt is only slightly faster than a 3080 for the same reasons now.
resetallthethings@reddit
dude I had a OC formula 6900xt for quite a while and that thing was faster than a 3090 at native
Aggravating_Ring_714@reddit
Maybe at 1080p, at 1440p and especially 4k the 3090 kills the 6900xt consistently.
resetallthethings@reddit
no
it didn't
consistently better game FPS and benchmark scores
Aggravating_Ring_714@reddit
Almost all the videos I see on Youtube tell a different story. There are some games where the 6900xt performs better but usually the 3090 is destroying it at 4k https://youtu.be/ji3PJ-UvGl0?si=MyislXbS2JjwCCOe
resetallthethings@reddit
I literally had both cards, at a much later date then that video
Granted, my version of the 6900xt was much faster than reference 6950xt even, so it shouldn't be surprising
Forward-Weight403@reddit
My 6900xt is now a part of my VM cluster, it is still an absolute great card. Linux drivers have breathed new life into the things
Asgard033@reddit
6800 maybe, but not 6800xt. The 6800XT is substantially faster than the 3070 (in raster). Drivers aren't going to magically compensate for a 25% performance gap.
theholylancer@reddit
its more per game eh, on average you are right, but a lot of game do perfer AMD what with them being the console GPU and all that, and esp if you turn on RT then well...
but that is still plenty powerful right, a modern 5060 will still struggle to out do it in raster performance, and its massive 16 GB vram means it has longer run life than the 8 GB variants too
nvidia fucked with the entire stack in 40 gen to give you one tier down, and that continued even farther in 50 gen so what was a 50 card is now a 60 card and that is why the generational increases are not that big and thus these older cards are still very much powerful and good.
BlueSiriusStar@reddit
Also these cards are cheap to manufacture and these conpanies choose to sell it at high margins to us just because conpetition is scarce with AMD pricing Nvidia - 50 while making the data center cards all that powerful ehile leaving us holding the bag.
Winegalon@reddit
Even the 10 series have been supported up to this month.
ComplexEntertainer13@reddit
And 900 series, both Maxwell and Pascal ends support at the same time. Which makes since Pascal is just a tweaked and improved iteration on Maxwell.
Flynny123@reddit
They nailed that gen and got almost no market share out of it, learned all the wrong lessons as a result.
They always go hard on the gens with new console releases, which i suspect is why they’re pulling resources from RDNA now.
jedimindtriks@reddit
I went from a 6800xt to a 4090, and sure the 4090 is way way more powerful, but it made me realize that the 6800xt was not bad at all. especially if you undervolted that sucker.
It ran at higher clockspeed, ran cooler and you couldnt hear the fan. the performance in 4k gaming was actually decent.
theholylancer@reddit
yep and with nvidia being fuckwads and the 80s are gimped to hell and back, and a 3080 to 5080 jump isnt even the normal 100% increase and if you wanted that you needed a 5090 or 4090.
the same would be said for anyone with a 6800XT or above, which means for many MANY people this is still really a powerful chip that can do a lot of current gen gaming, and the 90 series being mid end means you dont get much at all jumping up, and they are more expensive msrp wise (although pandemic etc etc)
hunterczech@reddit
Jump from 3080 to 5080 is quite great tbh. Your fault for not using technologies where most of development cash went.
Hayden247@reddit
3080 was 700USD, now 5080 is 1,000USD.
Try again, more like 5070 Ti is the successor price wise.
theholylancer@reddit
FG is not a good enough draw, esp since you can apply it after the fact with third party stuff, or mix FSR FG or XeSS FG with DLSS that it does have.
the raw increase at the EXACT same setting, be it DLSS or FG or raw RT is not anywhere near what it was before, when you would get double the fps at the same setting.
hackenclaw@reddit
this is why I never see Radeon as a serious product.
SecreteMoistMucus@reddit
This is? For how long have you known this was going to happen? And why didn't you tell anyone?
Nichi-con@reddit
Amd always had shorter driver support than nvidia
SecreteMoistMucus@reddit
Well that's just not true, AMD was well ahead for a while because of how long GCN lived. But that's beside the point, Nvidia already does this with previous generations, they just don't officially state it.
And even that is beside the point, because duration of driver support is far from the only factor that goes into a GPU choice.
TheBCWonder@reddit
My first GPU was the 580, I wasn’t able to use it for Blender after like 2 years (end of 2021) because AMD stopped supporting it in their GPU compute software. I was irritated that the GT710 had support but my GPU didn’t.
You’re being downvoted because you’re factually incorrect
SecreteMoistMucus@reddit
I'm factually incorrect because... you think Blender is relevant to a comment about game support?
TheBCWonder@reddit
No, but you specifically brought up GCN as an example of AMD’s long software support. Is it unreasonable to see that AMD has generally targeted a 4-5 year software support lifetime and then expect their GPUs to continue that trend?
SecreteMoistMucus@reddit
It's really seeming like you don't understand the comment chain. Why exactly are you asking me that question?
TheBCWonder@reddit
FinalBase7@reddit
Tbh I think people are overreacting about this, old cards are mature enough that they rarely ever need game-specific optimizations, the bigger problem is the lack of features, 20 series is still getting some new DLSS features while being older than RDNA2, it's pretty embarrassing.
At the bare minimum FSR 3 should continue being improved or a compatible FSR4 version must be released to RDNA2 and ideally RDNA1 also.
TheBCWonder@reddit
I thought the “Nvidia tax” was common knowledge? More money for better software
SecreteMoistMucus@reddit
More money for the myth of better software. It's just prestige pricing, the tax is for the brand name.
TheBCWonder@reddit
Maybe you’re the odd one out, most people have known that NVIDIA’s price premium had some justification.
Competitive-Ad-2387@reddit
are you serious? Saying anything bad about AMD gets you severely downvoted or shadowbanned online. This is fact.
SEI_JAKU@reddit
That's a blatant lie, as proven by every single thread you people try to say this in, including this one.
Sevastous-of-Caria@reddit
Thats funny cause I aint got shadowbanned from amd subs but got shadowbanned from nvidia.
b3rdm4n@reddit
This sort of ebbs and flows with time/trends, and depends on the sub/forum, I'd say pcmasterrace fits (or certainly did for multiple stints over the past 5+ years) your description, and the Techpowerup! forums are significantly pro-Radeon / anti-Nvidia these days. I don't dive as much into the comments in this sub to judge it.
alpharowe3@reddit
Nah, I see AMD bad twice as often as I see NV bad here. I still see AMD drivers comments from pre-pandemic days to this day. I see it more than NV fire cables, missing vram, price hikes, tier changes, their shady marketing, the geforce program, and they have had bad drives multiple times since AMD's bad drivers including a NV bad driver release just this year.
EJ19876@reddit
They dropped support for Fury, Vega, and Radeon VII unusually quickly as well, didn't they? Meanwhile, Nvidia ended optimised driver support for Maxwell, an architecture first released in February 2014, like a week ago.
chapstickbomber@reddit
I bet if you compare day 1 driver performance on a 980ti to the driver just before that in a dozen 2024/2025 games, there's basically no difference (because they didn't actually do anything).
ecktt@reddit
It is not uncommon for AMD to have shorter driver support or continued optimization.
Warskull@reddit
Fine wine definitely was a thing back with the GCN architecture. Part of GPU drivers is bug fixes, but the whole game ready part is Nvidia/AMD optimizing games for the developer. Back with GCN the AMD architecture was a bit more complex and developers used it poorly. Developers did stupid things like tessellating concrete barriers and the surface of the water to hell and back. So over time you would have real gains and the AMD cards would have a better lifespan than their Nvidia counterparts. The RX 580 was phenomenal.
I would call the fine wine back in the day more shitty developers than shitty drivers.
Fine wine ended with RDNA, it was much simpler to optimize and all over the consoles. That means RX 5000 series going forward don't get those same bumps over time and we've seen it.
AMD fans repeating fine wine these days are talking about a golden age of Radeon that has long since ended without ever having experienced it themselves.
AMD718@reddit
Even if that were true, and the drivers are just shit at launch, you pay for the performance you get at launch, and any additional performance that comes from future driver improvements is free performance you didn't pay for.
Nicholas-Steel@reddit
And your point? The same happens with Nvidia, driver updates improving performance after product launch.
AMD718@reddit
If that were the case (that Nvidia driver performance improves at the same rate as AMD's) there would be no such phrase as "fine wine" and op's comment about shitty day one drivers would apply equally to Nvidia.
heavy_metal_flautist@reddit
5000 series would like a word.
ecktt@reddit
That I can agree with. NVidia driver debacle for the past year has been horrible. Their razor sharp focus on AI is showing.
KARMAAACS@reddit
It's hard to know if he's talking about NVIDIA or AMD, because the RX 5700 series also was plagued by horrible drivers. I remember the black screen issues, multi-monitor setups just straight up not working and horrible gaming performance for months with RDNA1. It seems anything labelled 5000 is just cursed with bad drivers.
TophxSmash@reddit
pretty sure the 5700 was a hardware issue. i dont think it was ever actually fixed, they just did their best to hide it.
KARMAAACS@reddit
Even worse then tbh, means it's baked in to being trash.
heavy_metal_flautist@reddit
I was referring to NVIDIA; I upgraded my RX 5700 to 5070. NVIDIA problems have been worse and going on longer than it took for AMD to fix, but both 5k series drivers have been cheeks
heavy_metal_flautist@reddit
Taking them longer than it took AMD to get 5700 fixed
hardolaf@reddit
The Nvidia hive mind screams at anyone who tries to bring up actual problems. For me, it took over 6 months after launch for my RTX 4090 to finally work properly for my 3 monitor setup despite reporting the issue to their support team 6 days after the product launch.
b3rdm4n@reddit
Lately it has applied more to prior gen Nvidia products than AMD ones, not really about shitty day 1 performance that they fix, just the product getting better as time goes on. It's just hard and takes a long time to undo or reframe a statement that is already ingrained in peoples minds for a particular company applying to another.
TophxSmash@reddit
afaik fine wine was a term made by up by us not amd.
PantZerman85@reddit
Having more VRAM than Nvidia was part of the fine wine.
ecktt@reddit
It's been so very long, so I don't remember the details but even if it was made up by the community, AMD reps did use the term. tbf AMD marketing is universally know for shooting themselves in the foot.
kikimaru024@reddit
AMD only put Polaris on a slow-track after 8 years on the market.
Cory123125@reddit
Sure, but for the consumer it meant they were getting a more beefy card than they paid for... eventually.
For some that works out. For others it does not.
BlueGoliath@reddit
Reddit: nah it was totally untapped performance.
ComplexEntertainer13@reddit
Well to some degree it was to be fair. Because some of their architectures were better suited for games that hadn't been launched yet.
GCN had a terrible CPU bottleneck compared to Maxwell/Pascal in many poorly threaded DX11 games. Which was alleviated by later DX12 games, or in some cases just from games adding DX12 support.
Not like that is only a AMD thing either. Kepler aged poorly as DX11 took over, even on cards that weren't VRAM constrained. Pascal similarly aged poorly vs Turing in many newer DX12 and Vulkan games.
imaginary_num6er@reddit
So only good drivers are like Year 2-5?
DirectOralSuction@reddit
Rest in Piss AMD. Intel or Nvidia next time
Aggravating_Ring_714@reddit
Rip amd resale value. All the people that meme’d about 4090/5090 prices are gonna look real dumb when they try to sell their outdated rdna1/2 cards lmao, meanwhile 5090 and 4090 users can sell their cards at almost msrp prices.
Doom2pro@reddit
But then they don't and the insufferable have to walk back their fake outrage.
Yawn.
LeMAD@reddit
The outrage will stop if AMD backtracks. But it doesn't seem they will.
AntonioTombarossa@reddit
And Nvidia just dropped support for 10 series (2016 vs 2020). Can't stop winning. The Steam Hardware survey of this month will be so funny.
Dreamerlax@reddit
I'll probably be back to Nvidia next year at this rate lol.
mhmilo24@reddit
You could also not buy new cards and play older games instead. NV comes with its own baggage and I don’t think it’s better than AMD, they are pretty much similarly bad towards their consumers.
Dreamerlax@reddit
My previous 3 cards were Nvidia.
mhmilo24@reddit
Ok, don’t buy new cards and play older games instead that you haven’t played yet, or wanted to replay them.
StarbeamII@reddit
AMD actively blocked official Zen 3 support on B350/X370 motherboards for over a year (despite working beta BIOSes from Asrock and people successfully cross-flashing B450 drivers onto B350 boards), screwing over Zen 1 adopters who bought into AMD in 2017 and to which AMD owes its revival on sesktop to. They only relented after Intel released non-K Alder Lake parts that provided serious competition. So not too surprising.
hardolaf@reddit
That was due to the size of the flash storage for the UEFI/BIOS. They didn't want to put out an update that broke a bunch of systems but in doing so, made people upset about the lack of an upgrade path.
StarbeamII@reddit
That was a lie - see my other comment.
hardolaf@reddit
And from those sources:
So it wasn't an excuse. It was a difference of opinion as to what needed to be supported and what didn't.
Sadukar09@reddit
God forbid, AMD customers get the choice of either using their newest and latest CPUs, and the cost of some old shitty CPUs on architectures that nearly killed AMD.
lusuroculadestec@reddit
Reminder that they were also going to block support for 400-series chipsets.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200528020249/https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2020/05/07/the-exciting-future-of-amd-socket-am4
Link is to the archive, the original post was either deleted or they changed how the community post urls work.
Funny that it magically ended up being a non-issue for 400-series chipsets, but 300-series were impossible. Then later, 300-series magically were able to work.
Nicholas-Steel@reddit
It was a bit of a clusterfuck though, as the amount of storage space available for the BIOS varied between motherboards (which is why they originally didn't want to support the old motherboards).
PiersPlays@reddit
You aren't wrong. I made a point of getting a board with the larger amount of storage (can't remember which but there were two common sizes) specifically because I was concerned about that causing issues with tbe promised long term platform support. Im running a 5700X3D on a board I bought alongside a 1600AE. That's a completely neurotic detail to foxus on and noone can be blamed for not doing so. I dunno if it's more AMD or the board manufacturers fault that lower storage boards were available but it shouldn't have happend.
BlueGoliath@reddit
Who's fault it was a clusterfuck? Who advertised compatibility?
Nicholas-Steel@reddit
Initially AMD didn't advertise compatibility, it was motherboard manufacturers advertising it and basically bullied AMD in to trying to make the best of a dumb situation.
BlueGoliath@reddit
Uh no, when AMD announced AM4 they had marketing slides advertising compatibility.
Nicholas-Steel@reddit
I'm probably wrong but I thought they advertised long term support for AM4, which didn't necessarily mean a motherboard would support all CPU's released for the AM4 socket.
BlueGoliath@reddit
What was the point of making a big deal about AM4 socket's longevity if it didn't have support for new CPUs on older motherboards? It would be basically the same as Intel.
Nicholas-Steel@reddit
Hmm, I suppose you're right and I didn't think this through.
StarbeamII@reddit
That wasn't really why. High-end X370 boards with 32Mb BIOS chips didn't get support, while low-end B450 boards with 16Mb BIOS chips did. The first 300-series chips with official Zen 3 support ended up being the lowest-end A320 boards.
chapstickbomber@reddit
I hate how this gets dramatized and hated it at the time, too. They didn't want to have official support for something that would literally blow up in their faces. Once they were sure it was broadly fine, it was fine.
Sleepykitti@reddit
It wasn't even that nice, msi just dropped the updates for all their boards and more or less told AMD they could drop them as a board partner or shut up
Criss_Crossx@reddit
Glad someone else remembers this.
BlueGoliath@reddit
You stole my comment.
cdbob@reddit
I literally bought a 12600k out of spite because of this only for my X370 Crosshair to get support for the 5000 series.
eyetac@reddit
Here's my hot take on this and playing devil's advocate.
Everyone is freaking out over nothing.
They quite clearly say 'Bug fixes' and 'maintenance mode' in that response from AMD Germany.
You think nVidia does driver optimization for 2000 and 3000 series cards? fuck no.. Those cards are also in 'maintenance mode'
making sure the game works with the card and bug fix and security patch if needed.
I can see why people are upset, but I also see it as AMD being transparent. Their older cards are in 'maintenance mode' now, which means they are still supported, will still get bug fixes, will still work with your games, but if you want the best experience, buy a newer card.
Nvidia does exactly the same, they just haven't given it a name.
Fight me 😂
teutorix_aleria@reddit
"You think nVidia does driver optimization for 2000 and 3000 series cards? fuck no.. Those cards are also in 'maintenance mode'"
This is just wrong completely. 20 series are still on a the mainline driver branch as of today. AMDs maintenance drivers are separate like for vega which doesn't get the latest version.
Sopel97@reddit
another example of why you should never ever be transparent to an average consumer
SEI_JAKU@reddit
Finally, someone gets it. The truth is being used as an excuse to lie.
advester@reddit
The whole thing started with release notes probably written by an engineer with no understanding of PR. Meanwhile AMD marketing doesn't have a much better understanding of PR.
AndreaCicca@reddit
Nvidia just stop supporting 1000 series card for game ready drivers and they will only push security stuff... we are talking about GPUs that are 9 years old at this point.
jenny_905@reddit
Sounds like a hot scoop, you'd think someone would have reported this
VeggieBasedLifeform@reddit
Nvidia do game specific driver optimization at least for the 3000 series, it does make a difference. Also, I got DLSS4 and DLSS override in their software for my 3080. When I had a Vega 56, AMD even broke older features in their drivers.
bAaDwRiTiNg@reddit
Let us retrace our steps to the spirited online debates of 2019, when early RDNA faced off against early RTX.
Early RDNA was pronounced the rational choice for the discerning enthusiast: modestly cheaper, often quicker in traditional rendering, and crucially unencumbered by "gimmicks" such as dedicated RT silicon or tensor cores. Ray-tracing was dismissed as an overpriced marketing indulgence, and DLSS was confidently predicted to vanish within the year. The RX 5700XT in particular was held up as an example: less costly than the RTX 2070 Super, marginally faster in raster - and best of all destined for superior longevity, for the "silly" RT/AI gimmicks would surely perish like HairWorks. FPS-per-dollar at the moment of purchase would remain eternal.
Eternity, it seems, endured roughly until Adrenalin 25.10.2. AMD has now consigned both RDNA1 and RDNA2 to maintenance-only purgatory, with the driver graveyard beckoning. Even the RX 6750GRE finds itself affected, a card launched in late 2023. One can only imagine the uproar had NVIDIA deprecated the RTX2000+3000 series so quickly.
The RX 5700XT, once lauded for its value, is now remembered mainly for its hardware/software headaches. And when compared to the competition it now also lags in image quality (confined to FSR2/TAA) and framerate (due to increasing presence of RT in games). On the used market it trades at scarcely half the price of an RTX 2070 Super, a card it was supposedly better than in 2019.
Meanwhile the entire RTX 2000 series continues to receive full driver support, the GTX1000 cards that launched in 2016 are only starting to lose full support now. Games grow ever more dependent on RT. DLSS has become the gold standard rendering method and arguably the main reason NVIDIA secured overwhelming market share dominance in the 2020s. And even a 2018 RTX card benefits from the latest revisions and updates for all the newest "gimmicks."
AMD's 2025 RDNA4 series with its focus on "ML accelerators" and beefy RT units? They're actually pretty good cards (the 9070XT is AMD's best card in years) but they're also a belated concession by AMD that NVIDIA’s RTX blueprint was, in fact, the correct one.
It remains quietly amusing how utterly wrong the YouTubers and online forums of misread the future about five-six years ago. Architecture/features/support, as it turns out, matter more than raster parity at a 5-10% discount.
Do carry on.
Extreme_Fondant_338@reddit
rtx 2060/2060 super outlived 5700xt
second one was selling at the same price
Extreme_Fondant_338@reddit
won't buy amd shit anymore
mokkat@reddit
Puzzling.
AMD (unofficially) just got over the hump of old cards being inferior from being stuck with FSR3, and now this. When is RDNA3 moving to the farm, 2027?
raph986@reddit
Probably
kuddlesworth9419@reddit
On the other hand Nvidia drivers are still borked on my 1070 so I have to use 566.36.
BlueGoliath@reddit
Nvidia drivers have been absolute garbage since Nvidia started focusing on AI. No one has called them out besides JayzTwoCentz AFAIK, which goes to show how great techtubers are at holding companies accountable.
jenny_905@reddit
I have been surprised by that too, the driver experience I had with a 5060Ti was shockingly bad and I wasn't alone, their forum is full of people having a terrible time with their 2025 drivers.
BlueGoliath@reddit
They're afraid to make daddy Nvidia mad. Real knights in shining armor they are.
Nicholas-Steel@reddit
Really? What issue are you running in to? I'm currently rocking 581.08 in Windows 10 without issue. There was a fairly long period earlier this year with Nvidia drivers causing my system to randomly hard lock.
kuddlesworth9419@reddit
I get this system wide system hang every now and then for no reason that I can find. I've read that it's due to multi-monitor perhaps but I'm not 100% sure all I know is that all the new drivers do it after 566.36. I updated a couple of days ago to see if it was fixed and it still did it.
It will do it a handful of times a day but it just gets very annoying when I'm trying to watch a film.
Nicholas-Steel@reddit
You sound like you had the exact same issue as me, as 566.36 and the symptoms you mentioned sound very familiar.
Only thing I could maybe suggest giving a try (and this is a pretty wild guess as I've no clue what solved it for me and have always assumed Nvidia eventually solved it on their end) is changing the CMD2T RAM setting from 1 to 2.
kuddlesworth9419@reddit
I've never touched that setting, I'm not even sure I would even have it. I'm on a 5820k on an MSI SLI Plus motherboard and my memory frequency is stick because the 5820k doesn't like a memory overclock.
jenny_905@reddit
Good to hear it is fixed, my issues were BSOD, freeze, display driver constantly crashing and restarting (many people report this as black screen etc, it's just the driver restarting) with the launch driver from the 5060 Ti, 572.something if I remember correctly.
I assumed it would all be fixed eventually but the card was not usable while this was happening so I just returned it.
Nicholas-Steel@reddit
See my reply here for a wild stab at a solution https://old.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1okjrn7/amd_throws_loyal_radeon_customers_into_the_trash/nmf2z4q/
_boourns@reddit
Guess I wont be getting a 9070XT for Christmas 😭 Really wanted to go AMD this time but they don't make it easy
MeasurementDecent332@reddit
If i could go back in time i would've got a 5070ti, i wouldn't have liked it, but it would've been the better pick
TalkWithYourWallet@reddit
My friend wants to upgrade his 6600, I was initially recommending the 9060xt 16GB
I'm just going to tell him to spend the £20 on the 5060Ti 16GB.
SEI_JAKU@reddit
Sad to see people openly screw their friends like this.
TalkWithYourWallet@reddit
In what way?
Extreme_Fondant_338@reddit
hes amd fan
Aware-Evidence-5170@reddit
Never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
abdullah_haveit@reddit
At first I thought it was only a hyperbole that meant to be a joke, but the longer I follow tech news, the truer it is.
SEI_JAKU@reddit
This "news" is misinformation. You've been exposed to lies for so long that you don't know what the truth is.
abdullah_haveit@reddit
Ah. That's unfortunate. Could you tell me the truth, please?
ExplodingFistz@reddit
AMD back to doing AMD things.
accountforfurrystuf@reddit
The stock went up like $100 bucks in a few weeks, AMD isn’t missing, they simply don’t care anymore about certain customers
Pixelationist@reddit
Unfortunately all they care about now is the openAI deal
KARMAAACS@reddit
No matter what, AMD will always be the cheaper and worse off-brand version of NVIDIA, whether that be for gaming or AI. They try so hard to be like NVIDIA, they should be their own thing and build their own brand rather than copy NVIDIA's homework and only get 80% of the way there.
AMD718@reddit
People said that about intel
Techhead7890@reddit
I mean, as written that sounds like a self fulfilling prophecy. We all thought the same about AMD trailing Intel for decades and then we had 14nm+++ and look here we are with Intel in crisis scrambling for new architecture and fab locations.
I wouldn't count Radeon totally out, even if they haven't had successes in many years. But yeah, they've been trailing the achievements of Nvidia through that time.
hardolaf@reddit
AMD already has most of the non-AI supercomputer. Going after AI workloads especially now that they own Xilinx makes a lot of strategic sense even without Nvidia as the market leader.
BrightCandle@reddit
ATI doing ATI things going back decades.
Vb_33@reddit
They never stopped.
Kreos2688@reddit
I think this is shitty. Not sure how it makes sense to them. But it looks like it won't effect linux users at least. I guess if you needed a reason to switch from windows 10 as a 5000/6000 card user, here it is...
Bananaland_Man@reddit
They updated their message about it, "maintenance mode" will still get game updates and whatnot, and the USB-c port was a mistake, they've since fixed it...
ConsistencyWelder@reddit
Yeah both "issues" weren't actually issues, but miscommunication on their part. They already apologized.
ConsistencyWelder@reddit
They already clarified: they do not.
CatalyticDragon@reddit
Outrage is fun, but no.
AMD state they will maintain it for bugs which is all it needs. These card are well understood by developers and game optimization is the developer's job not AMD's.
AMD might be involved in performance optimizations with new cards is when developers aren't familiar with them and new shaders (often based on old shaders) are found to not work well with very different architectures but that's not happening with cards designed in 2017.
There is no dropping of driver support. These are mature cards, known ISAs, they are already optimized for in current game engines.
If a developer is optimizing for RDNA2 and finds a bug AMD will still fix it. If AMD wants a new feature to run on these cards they will optimize for it. If there is a new DX12 or Vulkan extension AMD will add it. If a downstream customer has a problem (think Steamdeck, consoles etc) AMD will address it.
We went through this outage cycle when AMD split the driver stack for Vega back in 2023 and this really feels like a repeat.
ClerkProfessional803@reddit
Driver side support is still needed for peak efficiency where multiple archs are targeted. The cards will still work, just not efficiently.
That's not something anyone should be celebrating when RDNA2 is AMDs only successful generation, arguably better than it's competing Nvidia generation if you don't care about RT.
CatalyticDragon@reddit
That's 99% up to developers. If they write optimized shaders then they will work efficiently. AMD isn't doing anything to reduce performance.
DuranteA@reddit
This is precisely the opposite of what is already happening with Vulkan extensions w.r.t RDNA2 support.
Luckily for Steam Deck owners, they use a driver primarily developed and maintained by Valve (or people paid by Valve), not AMD.
CatalyticDragon@reddit
I can refute that very easily. AMD just released their "VK_AMDX_dense_geometry_format" Vulkan extension is the latest driver.
If you bother to look it up you'll see RDNA4/RDNA3/RDNA2/and RDNA2/3 based APUs reporting support for it.
https://vulkan.gpuinfo.org/listdevicescoverage.php?extension=VK_AMDX_dense_geometry_format&platform=windows
StickiStickman@reddit
The announcement said literally the opposite. Do you think just saying the opposite of reality is gonna make it true?
CatalyticDragon@reddit
I know what the announcement said but I actually understood it instead of jumping to outrage based on a poor understanding of how drivers are developed and maintained.
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpu-drivers/amd-clarifies-that-rdna-1-and-2-will-still-get-day-zero-game-support-and-driver-updates-discrete-gpus-and-handhelds-will-still-work-with-future-games
Nerwesta@reddit
"Critical security and bug fixes" maintenance usually means on softwares that the EOL is approaching and support is kept on a thin lifeline ( not substancial )
That is a common enough catchphrase to raise the redflag, not sure why we have to split hairs here.
Wether the cards are mature or not is out of the question when new games are continuously added, and drivers get updated, it's not like those didn't matter last month ...
SEI_JAKU@reddit
It's crazy how blatant misinfo like your post gets upvoted constantly. People are just in love with lies.
kikimaru024@reddit
GPUs are hardware, not software.
friendlyreminder_@reddit
That's not what they do. They freeze development by branching the code bases off. This effectively means they no longer do development on the legacy branch.
Even in theory fixing bugs in old unmaintained code is difficult because it stops looking like the cold you're working on on a regular basis. But in practice they basically never fix bugs outside of the most severe and most basic. Crash fixes to extremely basic desktop use.
But at a broader general level your statement is incorrect. GPU drivers need constant development because the targets for development constantly change.
A new Vulkan version is imminent (announced by Mesa devs very recently), and RDNA 1 and 2 cards won't get it even though they're fully capable. New DX versions are released frequently as well, again same issue.
Game development changes and they start using these newer APIs, or they use existing but barely or never used features, triggering issues in drivers due to lack of testing. This happens quite frequently. These GPUs are only a few years old , some 5 years max.
They won't. They don't do any of this in the legacy branch for Vega.
They've never done this for the legacy Vega branch. It's stuck at exactly the Vulkan and DX API when they froze development, even though the hardware is far more capable and is fully Vulkan 1.4 compatible along with a long list of other extensions AMD never added.
On Linux the development is partially done by the community and Valve at the kernel level, and at the usermode level (for Vulkan) it's entirely by the Mesa community and Valve, with no AMD involvement.
As you can guess the driver support on Linux is light-years ahead. Everything from newest rdna4 to GCN 1.0 is still fully supported and updated with constant Vulkan extensions and full scale development broadly at all levels of the driver stack.
Yes this applies to all sorts of GCN hardware because they're extremely capable still. You can do shader emulated ray tracing on Vega and RDNA1 with playable performance.on Linux. There are YouTube videos of people showing Indiana Jones off running on this hardware.
If they were good stewards of the legacy branch you might have a point but they very literally branch it off and freeze it and basically never touch it again.
dahauns@reddit
I think that's a little bit unfair towards AMD. On the kernel side, they put in the work with amdgpu, writing it from scratch and getting it being accepted into the mainline kernel - which is a steep barrier to entry (the battles on the LKML were a fascinating read :) ), but which makes long-term support infinitely more viable due to the nature of Linux kernel development.
On the userland side: While RADV of course has been and still is first and foremost Valve-driven, the no AMD involvement hasn't been true anymore for a while. AMD driver devs have actively contributed to RADV for a while now, and recently they had the saliency to make Mesa RADV the officially supported Vulkan driver, going so far as to actually discontinue AMDVLK. And similar to the kernel side, being part of Mesa means a much higher likelihood of long-term support.
Robot1me@reddit
In a perfect world yes, but IMO the past decade has shown us how many devs are overwhelmed with properly and correctly utilizing DirectX 12, and in a way that does not cause shader compilation stutters. It's what led to awkward situations where DirectX 11 had or still has better performance / less or no stutters (e.g. see Vermintide 2)
MarcusOrlyius@reddit
Nothing you said makes it AMDs responsiblility to make up for some other business' shitty code.
StickiStickman@reddit
If AMD wants their customers to actually be able to use their cards like they could with Nvidia, sure. But they technically don't have to do that I guess and people can just get fucked.
Cory123125@reddit
Not to mention that with their low marketshare, they sure as shit aren't going to be allocating the minimal effort they put in, into the cards with the least marketshare.
KolkataK@reddit
I think the main problem is no new game support like Nvidia/Intel does with their Game Ready/Game On drivers, which means as time goes on the performance of RDNA2 relatively will fall further and further behind Nvidia's or even AMD's own RDNA3. RDNA4 gpus in newer games
this should be true in an ideal world but we know a lot of game are unoptimized mess and need launch drivers to not run like shit
Juan52@reddit
It’s really weird how they manage which series to support, like didn’t Polaris JUST got into the same split driver this year?
OutlawFrame@reddit
AMD this is not how you retain/gain market share.
imaginary_num6er@reddit
Anyone owning a 7900XTX should plan on selling theirs within the next 2 years before it loses complete value
Mediocre-Award5044@reddit
HUB has shown multiple times that their recommendations and predictions (like with the pricing of the 5000 series) are for the can and they are still allergic to Ray Tracing it seems.
kikimaru024@reddit
"Wow, thing X is no longer going to be supported. I should pass this problem on to some clueless, other rube."
angry_RL_player@reddit
Why is this a problem? If people can't research stuff they spend money on, it's their fault. Caveat emptor.
Cory123125@reddit
The thing is, who are they going to sell it to?
I think the type of people to buy used GPUs of that calibre are also the type of people to have heard the news and who know the price should be significantly lower.
RephRayne@reddit
Aquaman
TurnDownForTendies@reddit
Most people don't follow any of this stuff
Cory123125@reddit
My point is that the people buying a high tier AMD GPU used are not "most people"
TurnDownForTendies@reddit
Right, barely anyone buys high tier AMD gpus. I don't expect most people buying cheaper, older, and used hardware to follow this news more than the average consumer in this market would.
BlueSiriusStar@reddit
Barely anyone know AMD exist. AMD has been nonexistent from the steam hardware survey and almost all professionals prefer to use Nvidia. These caeds shiwn be thrown into the trash as they belong very disappointed with AMD's behaviour.
Floturcocantsee@reddit
I mean, you shouldn't be making purchasing decisions on deprecating assets based on future resale value. You buy them for the value they provide to you at time of purchase.
YNWA_1213@reddit
Sounds like it’s going to be a pretty good time to pick up 7600XTs soon if they’re dropping below 3060 prices.
Vaxtez@reddit
Where I am, a 3070 is cheaper than a 7600XT on the used market. Imho, there's 0 reason to go for a 7600XT in such a scenario
James20k@reddit
AMD's entire history in the GPU market has been them consistently squandering any possible opportunity at becoming a competitive player to Nvidia, they're incapable of it
BrightCandle@reddit
As it was when they were ATI before AMD bought them. They have always been like this and seem incapable of change.
MonoShadow@reddit
These news also come hot on the heels of FSR4 being exclusive to 9000 series, while nVidia cards allows Transformer even on 2000 Ampere series(Non Optical Flow FG is still an open question though). Intel upgraded their Xe with support for Alchemist.
Why would anyone invest in AMD card? Sure nVidia might have higher barrier for entry, but these cards have more features and you can keep them for longer. Not to mention they lose less of their value on the second hand market if you want to sell. And on the other end of the price spectrum we have Intel, sure it's rough right now, but at least they are trying and improving. Although, that being said, you should never buy based on promises.
TheBraveGallade@reddit
TBF, nvidia's simply reaping the benefits of being afirst adopeter. They reakesed the 20 series at a higher cost with features deemed 'useless' back then, while AMD focusedon raster.
SireEvalish@reddit
Reddit karma
ThatOnePerson@reddit
Also better Linux support
DarrensDodgyDenim@reddit
Not just 'better' - it is a lot better.
SireEvalish@reddit
That’s actually the same thing
Whirblewind@reddit
A functioning moral compass. Even with this massive L on AMD's record, Nvidia are still markedly more anti-consumer.
AndromedaAirlines@reddit
Buddy, AMD is a massive corporation who are just as bad as the rest of them. You are not supporting some garage startup who will change the world, AMD is just another soulless corporation who has shown on many, many, maaaany occasions that they'll choose profits over all else.
I still have no idea how AMD convinced so many nerds that they're the scrappy underdog who will always be on their side, when every other action they take signal otherwise. It's honestly impressive.
SEI_JAKU@reddit
Why do people always say this when AMD always makes better stuff, time and time again? Nobody actually knows or cares about this "garage startup" garbage. I care about results, and that is what AMD delivers.
Virtually all of which is misinformation, such as the OP, and that garbage earlier in the thread about Zen 3 motherboard support.
BlueSiriusStar@reddit
Bro I used to work for AMD and the things that they do are not moral. They only care about their end margins. People like you and me who buy their products mean peanuts to them. They want to seem like the underdog but clearly are not. Sadly this was probably planned some time back and probably the same situation might happen to the 9000 series. Not sure why people love AMD, they are just as or even more scummy than Nvidia cheating their loyal followers and rewarding them with worthless piles of silicon.
SEI_JAKU@reddit
AMD's cards are good, Nvidia's aren't. It's that simple. The OP is misinformation, like so many other things around AMD.
Pugs-r-cool@reddit
Better Linux support is the only reason why I'm using an AMD card
ihadagoodone@reddit
you're not the market they're after, you never were.
996forever@reddit
The question is, what is their market outside of a handful of forum users?
ihadagoodone@reddit
It's the market they want they're concerned with, not the market they have. Growth > Sustainability in the current marketplace.
996forever@reddit
Where is the growth in question though
ihadagoodone@reddit
How much market share has AMD been able to capture in the server space? consumer grade stuff is pennies on the dollar compared to enterprise.
996forever@reddit
Radeon Instinct in the data centre gpu space? Not much of anything at all vs overall market growth.
HotRoderX@reddit
This is exactly how there marketing team expects them to retain market share and increase it. Stir the zealots up by getting everyone to trash talk your company. That way the Zealots will go buy the newest product to prove the trash talkers wrong.
I mean what could go wrong with such a solid straight.
Joseph011296@reddit
That only really works if there's new products to buy. I had a 7900XTX and they decided to not make anything worth buying this gen, so I dipped.
MrCleanRed@reddit
You should not buy every gen anyway
Joseph011296@reddit
Once inventory settles in on a new Gen of gpus I sell my card to a friend that needs an upgrade while it still have good value and get the new top card.
996forever@reddit
There's not even a real worthwhile upgrade from top end rdna2.
BlueSiriusStar@reddit
I would that ever since the RX480 there wasnt ever since a good time to buy AMD which was feature deficient while costing as much as Nvidia. Not even sure why they exist at this point though. People also seem to have forgotten Zen5% as well just because they are AMD, ridiculous...
SEI_JAKU@reddit
"Zen 5%" never existed, it was bullshit influencer garbage like everything else.
BlueSiriusStar@reddit
Techpowerup article on Zen5%. Just stating facts based on gaming.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/
996forever@reddit
Zen5% was quickly buried because of the strong X3D for enthusiast desktop and Turin for datacentre. Strix Point is just okay, but they have a steady measurable presence in all things x86 cpu. Not for gpu
BlueSiriusStar@reddit
Thats the thing measurable presence doesnt mean their produxt are even remotely good. I feel the X3D are a hack and would probably benefit all Von Neumann architectures. Enterprise probably cared about Turin due to steep sales AMD was peoviding to cloud provider to take their chips after the multi year long deals with Intel expired. While on GPU side no noteworthy changes have been happening. At this point it just feels that AMD serves as a reminder to Intel and once Intel gets back on its knees it may be back to status quo of Intel for CPU and Nvidia for GPUs like in the early 2010s.
SireEvalish@reddit
AMD has a marketing team?
jamzex@reddit
The marketing team was not making this decision bro
00001000U@reddit
Hardware unboxed farming ragebait now?
Arponare@reddit
AMD is doing it to itself at this point.
DexRogue@reddit
Anyone have a summary for those of us who can't watch the video when they are reading this post to figure it out?
SEI_JAKU@reddit
It's more shitty clickbait misinformation around AMD actually daring to tell the truth about how GPU support works. This video exists solely to feed AMD haters some slop, nothing more.
DexRogue@reddit
Thanks!
D9Dagger@reddit
How did this get past Lisa Su?
Kepler_L2@reddit
She is the one diverting resources to AI lmao
TBoner101@reddit
Seriously? She is part of the problem at AMD, but no one can publicly admit it, and likely if not predominantly due to identity politics. While she's done good things (or employees who worked for her have, ie: Jim Keller), which include winning contract bids for consoles, the majority (if not the entirety) of the company's success via Ryzen and EPYC, derive from Zen (re: Keller).
She's like a modern day Steve Ballmer, a la Tim Cook; maintaining the status quo, comfortable and complacent, completely devoid of innovation, vision, or the courage to make bold moves which entail risk, often due to fear or cowardice.
Who do you think hired Jack Huynh, the ruthless businessman running Radeon (incl the guy before him, or the guy before that guy, Raja Koduri)? AMD's marketing is beyond embarrassing; they're simply pathetic. Robert Hallock was the only bright spot and he left in order to literally work for their biggest competitor.
You don't think she signs off on (or oversees) key business decisions like pricing, FSR, RT? What about the bumbling launch of Zen 5? Or how they asked influencers on how to price RDNA 4 and for months, the community basically begged them to not fuck up another golden opportunity (don't be or pull an AMD), and somehow they were still planning to launch w/ an MSRP of > $700 (\~$750, IIRC), up until the announcement and had to cancel the presentation hours before during CES.
Then, after all that, the BEST they managed to do was copy Nvidia (-$50) by listing a fake MSRP, at least in the US, then lied about availability when claiming inventory issues were solely due to demand despite having warehouses full of cards for months from the delayed launch which was due to waiting for Nvidia pricing + selling ALL RDNA 3 inventory to milk RDNA 4 pricing (and not due to the expiring rebates they weren't going to provide retailers or the fact that AIBs would only sell models > $2-300 above MSRP)? Meanwhile, you didn't think it was fishy that coincidentally they just so happened to conveniently fail to manufacture Reference cards for the first time since I can even remember, meaning that RDNA 3/2/1, Vega, and Polaris ALL had reference cards, so at min dating back at least > a decade)?
BlueSiriusStar@reddit
Idk ehy isnt this a top comment. Because this is very true whrn I was employed by them. They woukd rather spend more time on their marketing rather than invest in proper teams in software, hardware and QA. They treat their customers like guinea pigs and it seems that their behaviour isnt changed. Best part the parts they had were cheap to make and yet if priced correctly they woukd take the market by a storm. But no they chose to hide everything bin everything down and treat their products like worthless piles of silicon whike sucking up to OpenAI and Co. Also they like to shift the narrative towards board partners not complying and such very scummy behaviour while only interested in miliking the customer. At least release better products than your competitors but no. Intel should destroy AMD with their CPU while Nvidia should destroy AMD as well.
DraftIndividual778@reddit
Companies and these people are not your friends, they don't care about you.
According_Spare7788@reddit
It probably didn't. Shes basking in the glory of the OpenAI deal right now and could give less of a fuck about gamers.
MarcusOrlyius@reddit
If she cares so much, why doesn't she fix it?
SoTOP@reddit
This is completely on brand to the way AMD graphics division is run under Lisa.
b3rdm4n@reddit
Lisa Su is not a gamers friend, she follows the money and has shareholders interests at heart, not gamers.
BlueGoliath@reddit
Hardware Unboxed never cared when AMD almost didn't support Ryzen 5000 on X370 but now they're furious. Too funny.
HardwareUnboxed@reddit
We were one of the main driving forces that saw AMD revert their decision, but sure, make stuff up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsBRNck_-wA
nisaaru@reddit
Why is it such a problem they stop optimisation of game code for old hw which should be the job of game developers anyway? This doesn't mean they stop fixing bugs or whatever other maintenance drivers require for OS updates.
All this noise sounds like some people think this means these products become useless.
teutorix_aleria@reddit
If you consider products that launched this month old sure. RDNA 2 is in the xbox ROG ally and ally x
nisaaru@reddit
ROG X is RDNA 3.5. In case of these new "portable" products I assume they use their own drivers anyway. I also assume AMD references RDNA 2 to the specific GPU cards phased out years ago and not still selling iGPU/APUs.
BlueGoliath@reddit
You were said you were upset at 400 series not getting 5000 support and not so much 300.
And then went on to vomit out garbage I'd expect Reddit would say like "you got your money's worth".
HardwareUnboxed@reddit
We saw an issue, we brought it to the attention to as many people as we could. There wasn't really a need to go all crazy outrage mode given it still wasn't an irreversible change, nothing had happened at that point, it was just a plan they had for the future. We told them it was a very bad plan, told the community to let them know it was a bad plan and just mere days after the video went live they reverse course.
You are acting in bad faith here so I'm done with the conversation.
BlueGoliath@reddit
-Accusing someone of making stuff up
-provides a video supposedly showing that they did express issue with 300 not getting new CPU support
-it doesn't and actually makes him look worse
-generalizes the video, engages in gaslighting, and accuses me of "acting in bad faith"
-fans base/subscribers upvote you
Frankly, I wasn't expecting much from a techtuber and his army of drones but this is something I thought only LTT and their drones were capable of.
flumpfortress@reddit
> fans base/subscribers upvote you and downvote me
Perhaps it's just people that are reading this exchange and think you are wrong. If you believe in delusions then no one can change your mind.
BlueGoliath@reddit
Imagine watching the video the linked and thinking I'm delusional. It's Reddit so it's possible.
Genzo99@reddit
Wow this is a problem if they continue this trend on the 7000 series.
lusuroculadestec@reddit
If UDNA ends up being as much of a change as gets suggested, then it will absolutely happen.
b3rdm4n@reddit
I'd wager they lose game optimisation before the RTX 40 series does, especially as they lack dedicated hardware for ML upscaling (FSR4 hardware acceleration).
KARMAAACS@reddit
Yep, it'll be pushed by whatever RDNA5 or UDNA architecture is used in the consoles. Ask those RDNA1 puchasers if they should've bought 20 series instead once Ray Tracing became prolific.
SEI_JAKU@reddit
This isn't going to happen until RDNA1 cards no longer work, if that.
shroudedwolf51@reddit
....so the SteamVR issues with DirectDraw on my 6800XT machine causing horrible lag are never going to be fixed. Sick. That machine literally only does VR and has been running 24.3.1 for months because of that.
Nicholas-Steel@reddit
You realize how old DirectDraw is right? I'd expect whatever game you're running in VR that uses that would need a graphics wrapper to perform correctly in Windows Vista and newer.
shroudedwolf51@reddit
If you have better suggestions, I'm all ears. I spent a whole day trying to troubleshoot it. And then half a day a few weeks ago, thinking there was a better solution by now.
Since, it's what SteamVR uses to this day. As otherwise, it causes horrible framerate issues. At 24.3.1 or older, I get a solid 90FPS in my 90Hz headset without issue. Anything newer than that, it runs great...if I'm completely still. And then I start moving. You can replicate the issue by going into SteamVR settings and manually disabling it.
Nicholas-Steel@reddit
Which game specifically if you don't mind answering? I doubt SteamVR it self uses Direct Draw as Direct Draw was effectively abandoned by Microsoft after Windows XP.
In any case, my suggestion for if it really is something using Direct Draw... is to use the dgVoodoo2 graphics wrapper.
SEI_JAKU@reddit
What. DirectDraw is basically deprecated since the Windows 7 era, nobody works on or cares about it anymore.
JonWood007@reddit
Ya know the more i think about this the more pissed off I guess.
PC gaming has become increasingly unaffordable in recent years. I'm one of those old school "60" buyers. ya know, $200-300 for a GPU, and I plan to use it for around 4-6 years.
Since around 2018, we've been getting squeezed. First it was ray tracing and all that AI upscaling crap. Nvidia decided to make the 2060 $350 and threw anyone under that under the bus. Yeah, the 16 series existed, but let's face it, those cards aged like milk too.
Then COVID happened, the price inflation happened, and I was stuck on a 1060 through the pandemic. It lasted me well, but I knew it was aging, and quite frankly, GPU manufacturers stopped giving a crap about us. THey gave us the 3060 for $330, which was a joke. And this was before the "inflation" all the yuppie tech bros on these subs use to justify ridiculous prices.
I managed to hold it together through COVID, and upgraded during the price crash in 2022-2023. AMD was hit first, the RX 6600 type cards could double my 1060's performance for under $300, while Nvidia was STILL charging $340 for the 3060. It was a joke. Nvidia didn't get it, I dodn't wanna pay over $300 for a fricking GPU so I bought a 6650 XT for $230. It was an amazing deal at the time.
When the 7000 series launched around then, and the rest of the series was rolled out into 2023, honestly, it offered a very poor value for the most part. RDNA2 cards were literally sold next to RDNA3 ones for most of RDNA3's lifespan. And quite frankly, there was often little reason to buyt RDNA3, it was more expensive, and offered little in price/performance over RDNA2.
RDNA2 was eventually phased out in the higher price classes, but for a while, the RX 6800 was sold along side the 7700 XT, the 6650 XT was sold next to the 7600, the 6700 XT/6750 XT were in their own niche that AMD never really replaced, and the 6600 remained supreme as the ultimate budget option, competing with the fricking RTX 3050 and thrashing it in value.
heck, I was recommending RX 6600s as recently as this year, and really only stopped when we FINALLY saw the market move with stuff like the RTX 5050 for $250, the RX 9060 XT 8 GB for $270, and the RTX 5060 for $300. Even then, what killed the RX 6600 more than anything was the fact that AMD just FINALLY phased it out of production a few months ago and it was no longer a cost effective recommendation.
And now, AMD pulls the rug from under RDNA2 users? This fast? Really?
I dont care if they axe RDNA1, the writing has been on the wall for RDNA1 for a while, no mesh shaders, RT, DX12 ultimate support, yeah, RDNA1 is done. But RDNA2 is still a viable architecture. Maybe it doesnt support the fancy AI bull#### for FSR4 or whatever. Do you know how much I care? Not at all. Im in a budget class where I dont care if I get the fanciest graphics. I just wanna RUN THE GAMES. And to do that, i need DRIVERS. There's no reason they can just make the games run RDNA2/3 and allow older users to use that. Sure, maybe it will be blurrier, I admit FSR is an inferior upscaler, but it works, and again, I'd rather run a game with a little blur going on than not at all.
To not support the series with drivers, when this could render the GPU incompatible with new games is a DISGRACE. I bought my 6650 XT planning to use it until 2027, hoping that my next sub $300 GPU would offer twice the performance and more than 8 GB VRAM. I dont wanna upgrade now, spending $250-300 for 10-50% performance improvements (seriously, the 5050 is barely faster than the 6650 XT in raster) and 8 GB VRAM. I just dont. As such, I guess I'm gonna be stuck using an obsolete and no longer supported card for the mean time. Thanks a lot AMD. And oh, guess what, given that Nvidia is no longer charging like 50% more than AMD for the same class of product, I'm probably not gonna go AMD next time. Not if this is how I'm treated as a consumer.
Ive always been like at least somewhat biased toward Nvidia/intel because it seems like every time I buy AMD I get burned for some reason. SOmetimes its lack of VRAM, poor driver support, support for some BS API, or just poor performance like on older AMD CPUs I've owned. But yeah, they're just kinda giving me flashbacks to the late 2000s/early 2010s again when they didnt support their products while nvidia did. And I'm kinda feeling burned right about now.
AlphaFlySwatter@reddit
It's called capitalism.
JonWood007@reddit
Buddy you don't wanna start a discussion about capitalism with me. I have tons of criticisms of the system and the gpu market is becoming an outright market failure.
AlphaFlySwatter@reddit
I'm not your buddy. Good day.
Rategen@reddit
Am also using a 6600 it’s kinda of a bummer but I’m happy so long as it actually still gets some form of support. It’s frustrating because afaik, this is the most popular generation. In my country, ts is still sold at $240 brand new and the next best choice is the intel b550 which is sold at $340 so upgrading is barely even a choice.
JonWood007@reddit
Yep current upgrade options are:
5050 for $250- literally a side grade for a higher price than what I bought the 6650 xt for 3 years ago
9060 XT 8 GB for $270- not giving AMD my money again
5060 for $300- 50% increase, same 8 GB VRAM, ewww
9060 XT 16 GB for $350- $50 over budget and why would i give amd my money again?
5060 ti 16 GB for $430- are you fricking kidding me? $430 for a 60 card? Way over budget. No. No way.
And yeah intel ain't an option if you wanna actually ensure widespread library compatibility.
theevilsharpie@reddit
To be clear, AMD is still providing drivers -- they're just not providing new game-specific driver-level optimizations.
I'm not sure how much this actually matters for older cards, since engine support for RDNA 2 and earlier should be pretty dialed-in to the point where driver-level optimizations shouldn't be as necessary. Not supporting new Vulkan extensions could potentially be problematic, but I'm also not sure it matters if these extensions are meant to support hardware that RDNA 2 cards (and earlier) don't have.
Vega and Polaris are also in this "extended support" phase, and looking at the driver pages for a Vega and Polaris card (I chose the Radeon VII and the Radeon RX 480), their latest driver update was in August 2025, which isn't that long ago.
DarrensDodgyDenim@reddit
Not supporting new Vulkan extensions could matter on Linux, where AMD in general is regarded as the better choice.
krilltucky@reddit
doom the dark ages would run sub 10fps if you didnt download the game ready drivers that released around the same day on my rx7600. so there''s precedent for games that just NOT working if you dont get day 1 support
chapstickbomber@reddit
Devs testing a dozen cards is easier than vendors testing every SKU of every arch in every new game and hard coding workarounds. When devs don't do the former, for some reason gamers expect the latter.
krilltucky@reddit
no it wouldnt run on well ANY AMD card without those drivers. i was just specifying which one i had. those drivers were mandatory and when you started doom without them the game would tell you to update your drivers. so the devs knew the update was needed and so did AMD.
chapstickbomber@reddit
I'm just saying that devs shouldn't be silently relying on one vendor's particular implementation and then blaming the other vendor when it doesn't work exactly the same. They should figure this shit out before it gets to the users. Relying on vendors to make day 1 drivers and users to install them is an anti pattern and a horrible experience. Drivers shouldn't have bugs, but devs shouldn't drive their games into a brick wall out of spite, either. Of course, only like 5 people actually use Radeon, so why would they give a shit
hardolaf@reddit
Then blame the developer for not testing on AMD. Hardware vendors shouldn't have to fix bugs in other people's software but they do out of the hope that they sell more hardware.
JonWood007@reddit
Well thisenolder cards struggle to run new games, often for reasons other than lack of day 1 drivers but that lac of drivers ain't helping. Not a good look by amd.
Kashmir33@reddit
I feel like this is a bit disingenuous. I hate how expensive graphics cards are as much as the next guy. But paying 350 € for a 9060 XT 16 GB in 2025 is like paying 270 € in 2015. That's a crazy good deal for this type of performance, no? What even is a comparable card from 2015 for that price?
Inflation is a real thing. I can't think of many other products with this much performance increase over any specific time period that doesn't shoot through the roof in pricing.
JonWood007@reddit
Cool. "Inflation."
I can't afford that. $300 max or I drop out of the market. Don't try this crap with me.
FumblingBool@reddit
You can’t afford PC gaming then.
SEI_JAKU@reddit
Well then you're just going to have to "choose" to drop out of the market based on ignorance. Nobody is going to coddle you here.
Inflation is far too real, stop pretending it isn't. It existed long before tariffs or COVID or whatever else.
BlueSiriusStar@reddit
Exactly all these nerds dont live in the real world and knoe nothing about the market. At best low end GPU probably cost around 50 to make but they profit so much while having the same performance las last gen looking at you 5060. All of these manufactures aee scummy due to the shitty duopoly we have.
rocket1420@reddit
So you're saying you should've bought a 3060.
JonWood007@reddit
Not for 50% more money.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
You have to wait until 2028 since you're a 2nd hand & sub $300 buyer to get 2x 6650xt perf.
JonWood007@reddit
I didnt ask you. im not second hand. Back in the day we used to ACTUALLY see ACTUAL price performance gains where last year's 80 card would be the next's 60 card (for example 980 vs 1060, 580 vs 660). Really, the last time AMD had a product this poorly supported that I bought, you could get a like a 960/970 to replace your old HD 5850. BRAND NEW. Im getting sick and tired of being relegated to a second class citizen for not wanting to spend what used to be GTX 80 money on GPUs and its even worse when these companies dont support what products do exist.
SomeoneBritish@reddit
Thank you HUB for continuing to look out for consumers!
AC1colossus@reddit
I'm ashamed to have built lots of PCs for friends and family over the last few years, standing the decision to go with RDNA 2. This makes it hard to argue that I can trust them going forward. I really tried, but this will force me back to NVDA.
freeloz@reddit
Oh I guess my 6950xt I bought brand new two years ago is already obsolete 🤡
SEI_JAKU@reddit
No. It's not going to be any worse than it has been up to this point.
BleaaelBa@reddit
Well when they did support their gpus better with constant performance improvements in the past when even the features were pretty similar to Nvidia's (before RTX), they were still losing market share. you can only do so much when nothing you do really matters. plus looking at steam charts, doesn't look like anyone bought these much. so why is anyone even shocked lol.
SEI_JAKU@reddit
Putting aside that the Steam charts are manipulated, likely for the reasons you describe, you're essentially right. The internet wants AMD gone for some hateful reason, it's that simple. If that happens, GPUs will get way shittier, but apparently that's what people want. So stupid.
ScarletKnight00@reddit
Unfortunately AMD product support has always been shit. AM4 was the exception to their history not the rule.
SEI_JAKU@reddit
I mean, AM5 is going to have at least 3 gens of CPUs, so this is yet another lie.
Flintloq@reddit
Genuine question since I've seen people both defend and criticize this, and I haven't had a chance to watch the video yet. My understanding is that AMD will no longer provide game optimizations for the mentioned cards (5000 and 6000 series), but will continue to provide drivers ("support") for them. This feels fast but is it unusually fast? How long do cards usually receive game optimizations? Specifically, how does Nvidia compare?
SEI_JAKU@reddit
This is about how any GPU support works. Nvidia is no different. They will publicly claim otherwise for internet clout, but the outcome is the same. Never mind that Nvidia drivers in general are in a really bad spot right now, and apparently this will continue for the foreseeable future.
Best of all, this doesn't apply on Linux! AMD cards always get everything that card can possibly support, whether AMD is willing to do it or not, and even when it's almost unreasonable to do so. Meanwhile, Nvidia cards have to deal with whatever the official support is.
jorel43@reddit
Doesn't seem like it's that big of a deal, I have a 6900 and I got it like 4 or 5 years ago, it's probably time to upgrade.
TBoner101@reddit
...and this is exactly why they do shit like this. Chumps like you will just come back to daddy for some more abuse (like a battered wife).
SEI_JAKU@reddit
This comment would make way more sense if it was being said about Nvidia. Oh well.
skinlo@reddit
What a weird comment, they don't consider it an issue.
Aristotelaras@reddit
What a pathetic decision my AMD. I might even go back to Nvidia now. They are a little more expensive but their cards are supported much longer.
SEI_JAKU@reddit
That is incorrect, this is misinformation.
HatchetHand@reddit
This hurts. I left my Vega 56 behind prematurely because it didn't have driver support. This makes two cards in a row for me.
Radeon is supposed to be the budget choice with fine wine driver support.
It's becoming skunk beer instead of fine wine.
Fluffy_Lemming@reddit
Dude, same! I went from a Vega 56 to a 6800xt. I was planning on getting a 9070xt soon but I guess I'm going team green now? 🙃
SEI_JAKU@reddit
You shouldn't have left your Vega behind. You were sold a lie by influencers, and you're being sold another.
KARMAAACS@reddit
I hate the Green team to an extent, but realistically they're the only good option. After loving ATi for years, my first GPU I absolutely loved which was an HD 5670 and then later on the HD 7970 GHz and the R9 290X. But after all those great competitive years, came the RX 480 and Vega. Really Vega was the straw that broke my back, they completely fumbled the launch of it, it was late to market, used lots of power at the time relative to the competition and slow compared to the 1080 Ti, with only 8GB of VRAM and then on it's way out the door like you said... they dropped support of Vega early. Honestly, it just turned me off AMD for good. Rather than converting customers and keeping loyal fans they turned me away.
noiserr@reddit
Vega is still getting driver support.
Cory123125@reddit
I think its pretty clear that people are referring to full driver support and not just keeping the lights on quarterly security updates.
According_Spare7788@reddit
They've not had a good track record in this for ages. GCN gets dropped 4 years earlier than Maxwell, Vega gets axed prematurely, and now RDNA 1/2 gets the boot, probably because they're refocusing on the ML neural processing stuff with Redstone, and these legacy products were just a stopgap when Nvidia took the RTX path.
sirfannypack@reddit
I don’t like these clickbaity thumbnails.
SEI_JAKU@reddit
Don't worry, the video content is all clickbait too!
Nutt_lemmings@reddit
I'snt the 6000 series like their most popular cards on the steam hardware surveys? They wanna lose even harder almao.
SEI_JAKU@reddit
The Steam hardware surveys are totally manipulated and unreliable.
UselessTrash_1@reddit
The most popular AMD cards. Without them, they are crushed by NVIDIA
DisdudeWoW@reddit
Literally, rDNA2 was the last gen amd was competing because dlss was quite early and not very good
xeroze1@reddit
Radeon division saw the success and good will the cpu/mobo side of amd gotten for their am4 longevity and support, and went: yeah, let's do the fucking opposite
SEI_JAKU@reddit
No, you're falling for a blatant lie, because that's the only way anyone wants to talk about AMD anymore.
BlueSiriusStar@reddit
AM4 look bad now compared to current CPU. Will admit it was good during its time when Intel was weaker. At least the CPU side of things are more sane and with Intel coming up soon excited ag the possibility of longer drivers with team blue and green combined.
skinlo@reddit
Why?
SEI_JAKU@reddit
And here's the fake ragebait videos. "the marketing of this is INSANELY HORRIBLE" when the marketing is shithead YouTuber influencers. This video needs to be taken down, like so many of the shitty clickbait videos about CPUs and GPUs over the years, but none of these coward influencers and their equally coward parasocial fanbases would ever dare to admit that they're wrong about something.
And sure enough, there's tons of that kind of garbage right here in these comments! This hobby really sucks sometimes.
BeerGogglesFTW@reddit
Microcenter recently had RX 6600 new for $150. This was earlier this week.
I thought it was a pretty good deal if you just wanted something for your GPU. Now that deal has soured.
subz_13@reddit
I think this is it for me when it comes to my next purchase. I'm very happy with my 6800 and I was planning to stay with AMD, but the fact they cut its lifespan so suddenly is pathetic. Why live with the mediocre feature set at this point.
imaginary_num6er@reddit
I guess this confirms project Redstone will not be coming to RDNA 2 cards
hardolaf@reddit
It's only ended game specific optimizations. Other updates will still come but they don't promise anything from this point forward. So we have no idea.
DeeJayDelicious@reddit
I don't really get the fuss.
It's okay to phase out support for older hardware. Yeah, RDNA 2 was still very wide-spead, but still.
InternetD_90s@reddit
Another windows related problem I'm glad I got rid off. I don't understand why an OS with such high market share gets dumped on so often by every manufacturer.
AMD and Intel GPUs run on open source drivers on Linux. Even all Nvidia RTX (GTX 16xx too) are getting more love on Linux nowadays.
Features and general improvements are still coming for Vega which I ran until recently. The oldest supported AMD GPUs on Linux are from the HD79xx series (real, not rebranded chips) from around 2012-2013 if I remember.
By supported I meant useful for daily use and normal consumers.
Meaning that all GPUs stated in the video are still completely fine, same goes for the USB-C output of the RX79xx.
In my eyes that's all planned obsolescence which here is irrelevant because of open source drivers. The corporations but also hundreds of free developers take part in. Should a corpo bail out then you still have the massive community doing its best to keep your "old" hardware out the landfill.
FitCress7497@reddit
Do you even know that Linux drivers are mostly not from AMD? What kind of logic make you think they abandon a large portion of user but somehow still going forward with much smaller group? This doesn't affect Linux simply because there is nothing to be affected from the beginning
InternetD_90s@reddit
I know and? They are still involved. I just wanted to point at the difference between proprietary platforms (that nowadays shit on their customers as a service) and open source ones. Them theoretically dropping their "support" within MESA has less impact than within the same situation on their Windows proprietary driver.
AMD abandoned their first propitiatory driver of two (Amdvlk) in June on Linux for their Enterprise users. Amdgpu-Pro will soon follow. They are focusing on RADV now which is open source.
For example I reported an OpenGL bug 1.5 years ago on Vega and the first to take a look over it was someone working for AMD.
Official support drop on Windows: you're screwed on the first issue.
Official "support" drop on Linux: If related GPU firmware is open enough, development might just slow down if at all.
soru_baddogai@reddit
I was thinking about getting a 9060XT rig for some 1080p gaming but nah fuck AMD going with Nvidia after all.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Does driver optimisation really exist. The whole video fails to actually prove that driver updates actually make a huge difference.
Seems people started getting happy again and we need some new thing to be faux upset over?
_hlvnhlv@reddit
While you are correct... The problem is that the driver is not gonna be updated from here onwards, so no new Vulkan extensions, and DX12 features.
Those GPUs could very well shit themselves in a couple of years with any random game.
jenny_905@reddit
Depends I guess. Nvidia seem to do a lot of it, not sure about AMD.
Nvidia have always said many developers don't have a clue what they're doing and there are always a lot of optimisations required.
Henrarzz@reddit
Seeing what is sometimes output by vendor shader compilers, yes, driver optimization does exist and AMD’s drivers are definitely not finished on that front.
leeroyschicken@reddit
At first glance you'd think so:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWfMibZ8t00
But there is a catch, HWU did not express themselves clearly, and that was launch review data vs fresh, not fresh vs fresh, and other youtubers stirred a bit of drama, because they couldn't replicate the gains by testing just the drivers. For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf1q1nwoj8k
I suspect that the primary reason for rushing game ready drivers is to narrow the range of drivers being used, to make for much easier QA.
Personally I only update when there is promising feature or bugfix to be added, as in last few years nvidia tended to break a lot. This is where I would see issue with slowed down/maintenance drivers. In AMD case people have expectation of FSR feature update for older GPUs and this might mean them not getting it on older hardware if that happens. That'd be a good reason to be upset.
Sosowski@reddit
Can you RMA your GPU for this reason?
vladi963@reddit
RDNA 1 and RDNA 2, no AI not relevant.
Since RTX 20, yes AI yes relevant.
Nvidia started earlier with AI = more supported GPUs.
AMD started late with AI = less supported GPUs
No AI = wasting resources.
AI is where most of the resources will go, this is where the world is going. It is not AMD or Nvidia, it is where the world is going.
Which is why GTX GPUs like Maxwell and Pascal switching to maintenance mode just like AMD is doing with RDNA 1 and RDNA 2.
It doesn't matter who started earlier, the base line from now is: Does your GPU has ML capabilities or not...
You can hate it or love it...
iKnowRobbie@reddit
I woke up in my garbage can. Came to reddit to find out why. This is NOT what I expected to have placed me there. ╮(╯▽╰)╭ off to shower the refuse off me!
Affectionate-Pin2885@reddit
AMD never misses a chance to miss a chance
-Fr4ncy-@reddit
Is there a petition? Something like amd give us back the fine wine?
AlloAll0@reddit
This is why I don't buy AMD cards.
I've been burned before. With a laptop. Had to hack drivers to even work with newer versions of windows after 2 or 3 years. When W10 came out, it was a complete no go because of no drivers from AMD.
Meanwhile, my parents computer, a 4770k with a gt750 is happily chugging along running Windows 11, besides TPM detection hack.
ThatOnePerson@reddit
Isn't that usually the laptop thing that requires the OEM drivers? Even Nvidia does that.
AlloAll0@reddit
AMD stopped supporting the mobile version of the chip. For a while, it was possible to mod the desktop driver and make it work on Windows 8/8.1. When Windows 10 came out, they also stopped supporting the desktop chip. Due to the new windows driver model, it was not possible to mod any of previous drivers at all.
broknbottle@reddit
I game on a MSI Claw 8 AI+, I don’t think this affects me
InternetEntire438@reddit
that really sucks. I think they still have life in them
WarEagleGo@reddit
What about the RDNA2 APUs like the
Roph@reddit
Current gen AM5 9000 series Ryzens still have RDNA2 iGPUs lol
bobbie434343@reddit
Did not know that "Loyal Radeon Customers" was a thing.
Darrelc@reddit
Oh great so the choices are now AMD "wait we sold you a graphics card lol?" and Nvidia "4K60FPS Net performance! ( 30 EBITDA frames at 960p)".
Fucking joy
Psyclist80@reddit
Yep I love AMD cards but this was a bone headed move. Especially because they love to reuse IP in subsequent years like the new base Xbox ally, (ally X uses RDNA 3.5). I think they will have to walk this back or risk losing further customers.
I can see why they have done it. The shift to more complete compute engines means they are dragging along some baggage that cant do all the new things, but this is the bed they've made... Keep it going another two years AMD
DreSmart@reddit
is sad hardware unboxed chosed the way of click-bait and disinformation AMD state they still maintaining it rdna1 and 2 but just not get the day one game patchs and again rdna 1 and 2 lack features that the new vulkan and new games use...
KernunQc7@reddit
Loyalty is a one way street.
dwightthetemp@reddit
lucky me for not pulling the trigger and building a 6600 xt budget gaming pc.
ClerkProfessional803@reddit
We know Steve is especially hurt by this one, being such a loyal AMD customer.
msolace@reddit
ai money > game money....
help us intel your our only hope!
Isekai-Enthousiast@reddit
my GPU is released 3 years ago man, this sucks.w
TortieMVH@reddit
Thats what you get for going AMD I guess💩
PrettyProtection8863@reddit
I'm still happy with my 2060 12gb.
imaginary_num6er@reddit
Funny how a laptop with a 2060 will have longer GPU support than a laptop with a RX6800S
Guy_GuyGuy@reddit
Intel Arc Alchemist, a first-gen architecture, is still getting game-specific driver updates while 6x50 RDNA cards released at the same time won’t…
steve09089@reddit
A laptop with a MX450 is getting more support lmao
Ok_Charity_707@reddit
Well I guess my next GPU would be from Greedvidia
Subjugatealllife@reddit
This is being blown hugely out of proportion. People keep pretending like they dropped total support. No, they just dropped day one game dev driver support.
MiloIsTheBest@reddit
Seems in proportion.
Robot1me@reddit
It's wild to read since even the almost 11 years old GTX 960 has still been receiving game ready drivers
Nerwesta@reddit
Did you just make that up ?
Adressing "critical" issues like bug fixing and security isn't optmising games " later on ".
It's plain and simple an EOL around the corner.
Subjugatealllife@reddit
I suggest actually reading what AMD stated before accusing me of making something up.
skinlo@reddit
95 percent of people won't notice the difference. What AMD should do is continue 'supporting' the cards, eg let the latest drivers still be installed, and let placebo do the work.
Nerwesta@reddit
I did and wasn't alone notice the difference when they released drivers from the latest AAA on not a no longer so beefy card. It's refreshing.
Your agument is making people like complete idiots or ignorants, or careless from which they won't get any use of counting FPS or writing on reddit anyway.
Your solution is egregious because a thin minority will notice and spread the word regardless, just like a thin minority of people are doing benchmarks ...
However, a huge percent of people is fine playing at 30 FPS on a botchered resolution with stuttering left and right, not sure why you bring up that one.
seatux@reddit
I see it with Intel Wifi drivers, the actual driver in device manager never change, but Add/Remove just gets a new number.
dexteritycomponents@reddit
Which is extremely ridiculous. Day 1 driver support is not anything hard to do and should be a basic expectation. Now you’re at the same level parity as a 1080ti.
Nerwesta@reddit
Not even that, you won't get any substancial drivers from now on. OP just made that up.
MyzMyz1995@reddit
nobody want 1 driver every 2 years like they did with their vega GPUs that were supposed to have lot of VRAM to be future proof lol.
I_Dont_Have_Corona@reddit
I just bought a brand new Zotac Zone 3 months ago, and now it'll no longer be receiving new game optimisations already.
RZ_1911@reddit
It’s not the first time. And obliviously not the last time amd do that . Why it become a shocking news ?
For example
Like RX580 . Mega popular and card have less then 4years of active support . Then 3 years of bug fixes
I stil remember amd fans bragging about rdna2 like is better choice then rtx 30 at least in terms of memory .. funny
Earthborn92@reddit
Radeon being really fucking stupid exhibit #1523