ULPT Request: How can I stop paying taxes?
Posted by nicootimee@reddit | UnethicalLifeProTips | View on Reddit | 235 comments
Can I just file exempt? The IRS has been completely gutted, won’t it take years for the IRS to catch everyone who has incorrect tax records? I don’t want to pay taxes but I don’t want to lose everything.
LaughingMagicianDM@reddit
Don't mess with IRS or OSHA. They're for-profit and vindictive.
Mess with the FBI or DOL
ki4clz@reddit
file EXEMPT in your W2
there is literally no law that says you have to pay federal taxes
and there is literally no law that says your employer has to collect your income taxes
caveat the IRS will fight you until you confront them with proof of this law
and if anything the IRS follows these regulations to the “T” when confronted
BakedBrie1993@reddit
So don't. No one is forcing you to pay. But if you like roads, public facilities, cleanliness, safety, schools, hospitals, art, public transit, disability benefits, and all the other things taxes help fund, maybe just pay them and stop thinking of them as a burden since you benefit from them being paid.
Winter_Persimmon_110@reddit
I don't like bombs dropped on Palestinian children, corporate subsidies, ICE, TSA, NSA, DEA, CIA, DHS, and frankly I don't like congress, the executive branch or SCOTUS.
BakedBrie1993@reddit
Neither do I.
But I do like public education, community colleges, social safety nets (Medicare and Medicaid, food for kids, universal childcare, etc.), roads, bridges, parks, public hospitals, etc.
Winter_Persimmon_110@reddit
It'll do until something better comes along.
Derfwins@reddit
Our taxes cover these things? Huh
BakedBrie1993@reddit
Uh yes. In the US. Are you under the impression that they do not?
-Bob-Barker-@reddit
Try the sovereign citizen route.
wheresjim@reddit
Don’t screw around with the IRS, unless you’re very rich they win
suggestedusername88@reddit
Have you considered becoming a billionaire?
wildmonkeymind@reddit
There's a much easier way, actually... just stop making any money or owning any property.
Junior_Ad_3301@reddit
And not near as salty
ohpickanametheysaid@reddit
Another example that it takes money to make money.
Trueslyforaniceguy@reddit
And to buy whiskey
MediumDenseChimp@reddit
So will you also not be using the roads, utility infrastructure, firefighters, and all of the other horrible communist inventions that are financed through taxes?
nicootimee@reddit (OP)
No, I won’t be funding genocides (plural), concentration camps, foreign military benefits, foreign bail outs, or fund a police force that does not help and serve its community, among other atrocities as well (:
MediumDenseChimp@reddit
Yeah, but that’s just part of living in “the greatest country in the world”, isn’t it.
Winter_Persimmon_110@reddit
"greatest" is doing some Ronnie Coleman level heavy lifting here
fingers@reddit
Buy a tiny island.
peanutismint@reddit
Nothing but joke/anti-billionaire/anti-religion ‘tips’ in the top 5 comments. How about we stop attacking each other and start unethically attacking the govt?
Winter_Persimmon_110@reddit
Let's ethically attack the government
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/
GabrielBFranco@reddit
Yes, the IRS is shut down, understaffed and underfunded but your state taxing authority isn’t. Tax avoidance is only a rich man’s game.
tim36272@reddit
Just move to a state without income tax.
snowtax@reddit
Then you learn that property taxes are very high. Gov’t must be funded one way or another.
tim36272@reddit
Come to Nevada, the land of no income tax and low property tax. I pay $1200 property tax per year on a $500k home.
Our government is mostly funded by sin tax, which you can opt to not participate in.
snowtax@reddit
What’s the sales tax rate?
tim36272@reddit
8.25% in my county, it varies slightly statewide but generally around there.
swedishpiehole@reddit
Some states don’t have STATE taxes but their residents do have to pay federal taxes, local taxes, real estate taxes, etc. With T*ump suing his own government for hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars and spending taxpayer money on ICE kidnapping and national guard patrolling our cities needlessly, we should absolutely have the right to abstain from federal taxes that fund such illegal and disgusting activities.
Shadowfalx@reddit
I'm sympathetic to the idea but the right was saying the same thing about pushing taxes for SNAP, WIC, and other such programs for decades.
The answer, in my opinion, isn't to not pay taxes to things we don't like but to convince enough of our fellow citizens to not allow those things to be paid at all.
Do we need to out spend the next 10 native in military funding? Probably not
Should everyone get enough healthy food to thrive? Probably yes
But until we can convince voters to vote for their interests instead of those of the rich we won't have the things we want
swirlybat@reddit
you have taken boot licking to a new level
Shadowfalx@reddit
By pointing out that we can't act like this we find deplorable?
Is not bootlicking to want the rich to pay their share of the social contract we have where if you are starving you will be fed.
notproudortired@reddit
The nine states with no state income taxes ALSO have no city income taxes.
unotheserfreeright25@reddit
What if their state doesn't have state income tax?
snowtax@reddit
Property taxes are high.
sierrabravo1984@reddit
The only way you could stop automatic payment of taxes is to quit your job and start doing lawns for cash.
Planterizer@reddit
Just figure out how many dependents zeros the bill out and claim em.
MaybeTheDoctor@reddit
Not the only way, dead people don’t pay taxes so be creative.
riqdi@reddit
No, their estate representatives do.
MaybeTheDoctor@reddit
That seems like other people ... i'm ok with other people paying taxes.
riqdi@reddit
...using funds from your estate after you are deceased.
swirlybat@reddit
this is the example i frame when referencing the intelligence of anyone with a net worth over 1 mil.
MaybeTheDoctor@reddit
swirlybat@reddit
those people pay people to also not pay taxes. the only idiots still funding the govt is us working idiots
Travelingbunny20@reddit
Trust me you will not be okay with it. Because estates get taxed the highest bracket, like 39%! But I get your frustration. Maybe we can ask Wessley Snipes for tips. Oh wait. He went to jail for his conviction. So that is an option.
swirlybat@reddit
did you wipe the sweat off your brow for that hot take?
fingers@reddit
This is the way.
BigDaddySteve999@reddit
But my state is actually governed well.
swirlybat@reddit
gavin newsome is a fascist in blue, so idk about all that
BigDaddySteve999@reddit
Okay, but I don't live in California, so....
Justame13@reddit
Tax avoidance can be as simple as getting married to a fiancé the last week of December and not telling anyone you didn't really get married until your wedding in March. Completely legal and rich people do it in much more complex ways.
The judge performing the ceremony accepting $50 in cash to avoid reporting it is illegal and rich people try to not do this.
Travelingbunny20@reddit
Why should the judge not report the wedding? You get the tax break for that year. Wasn't that the plan?
Also there are a few states where you can marry yourself and don't need an officiant. Colorado and Hawaii for instance.
And Wesely Snipes refused to pay taxes out of conviction and did time. I still respect him for that.
Justame13@reddit
He was paid $50 for performing a service and didn't report the income. Aka getting paid under the table and completely illegal.
Travelingbunny20@reddit
I thought this was a tax strategy for the couple so they could file jointly. I did not realize it was for the judge to evade taxes on his tips. lol This is so niche. lol
Justame13@reddit
Its a simple easy to understand example used at the B-School where I went and now adjunct.
What the couple did was tax avoidance and completely legal.
What the judge did was tax evasion and completely illegal.
Both happen at all different ranges of income its just a matter of scale and opportunity.
aji2019@reddit
As my accounting professor said in tax class, avoidance is legal, evasion is not. Also pay taxes on your illegal income on the other income line. When I was taking tax it was line 21 on the 1040.
rabid_cheese_enjoyer@reddit
couldn't they just pay state taxes and do max withholding for federal?
r1v3r_fae@reddit
Yes file as exempt
zeptillian@reddit
Stop earning money.
boobityskoobity@reddit
You could just not make any money or own any property, then you don't have to pay taxes.
medium-rare-steaks@reddit
Start a small business and expense everything in your life to it. You need to file a 1065 return for the business and give yourself a k1. Unless you're making bank at work, those expenses will offset your income to the point where you will have near zero tax liability. If you are making bank, you can hire an accountant to do all this for you in a more legit way.
Ashmizen@reddit
This doesn’t work unless your income is from your business as well.
Just starting a side business to “collect losses” and file a $50k loss to offset your $50k salary job is not going to work.
I don’t think, audit aside, you are even allowed to reduce your salary income from “small business” losses, or if you are, it’s capped at 3k at most.
The people who can make lots of fake deductions are people who make 100% of their income as their own small business - a plumber or a contractor, for example - and so like any business they could deduct a ton of stuff from the revenue and end up with almost no “profit” without raising red flags.
medium-rare-steaks@reddit
You a cpa?
AssociationFit3009@reddit
Doesnt matter he’s right either way. I started a small business with no profits yet recently. There is very little you can do until the business is generating income.
medium-rare-steaks@reddit
If the expenses are incurred in the pursuit of generating revenue, you absolutely can take expenses.
You started one small business. I have started 7 and still operate 6. The 7th was sold.
AssociationFit3009@reddit
Not from my W2 income. Explain to me exactly how you deducted business investments from your w2 income.
medium-rare-steaks@reddit
You get a W2 from work reflecting your salary. You get a k1 from your small business reflecting your share of business profits/losses. If it's a loss, your taxable income is your W2 earnings minus your business losses shown in your k1. Any other questions?
AssociationFit3009@reddit
Im not being argumentative Im legit asking if you know something I dont. Ill make $220k from my day job and Ive put $20k into my business. I have no income that I want to report from it. Ive asked a professional, chat got, and reddit and some guy on reddit put me onto to a $5,000 start-up deductible. Aside from that I’ve found no way to deduct investments into my business from my income.
AssociationFit3009@reddit
My account told me my capital contributions are not deductible from my W-2. I dont get a k-1 from a single membership llc. What business are you running?
DannySantoro@reddit
That's a fantastic way to get audited.
eatingganesha@reddit
yup. Because they’ll eventually want to see the receipts.
And when you can’t produce them, they will charge you what you should have paid in taxes plus interest and penalties, and you might have to take a vacation where you aren’t allowed shoelaces for a few months/years too.
crash866@reddit
Also if you are not paying anything into Social Security you not getting anything out of it if you become disabled or retire because of age.
smokingcrater@reddit
That's different than the current trajectory how?
medium-rare-steaks@reddit
Can't say it's not unethical though. And unless op is making and spending 100s of thousands, they're not getting audited.
LadyOfTheNutTree@reddit
Not true. The irs tried to come after my tiny llc for $900 that I didn’t actually owe them
medium-rare-steaks@reddit
For what? After an audit? Did you file late?
yousirnaime@reddit
The negativity here from other people who reply to you is so goofy
Your home business can cover: portion of rent, 100% of your car lease, meals, travel, clothes if you embroider your name on them, internet bill, phone bill, part of your power and water
Like - that's not even getting fancy - that's normal stuff and every business has access to this. It's encouraged.
sikkerhet@reddit
start by not advertising online that you plan to do tax evasion.
ready-eddy@reddit
Produgod1@reddit
My God! Those aren't the socks she came in with!
beeker1297@reddit
Damn you! I was enjoying a nice beer when I read this now it’s all over me!
Freakwilly@reddit
That's alcohol abuse
Alternative-Chip-896@reddit
When enforcement is down it benefits wealthy tax cheats. When you have limited staff it makes more sense to go after people who don't have accountants and lawyers, because they can drag out for months or years. You could go after 1000 little guys in that time
Careful_Trifle@reddit
Taxes are pretty black and white.
You can commit tax evasion or fraud, but eventually you'll get caught and either owe a bunch plus interest, or face jail time. Not worth it.
Instead, hire an accountant to go over your finances with you and recommend what you can do to minimize your tax liability. This will get you the best chance of good answers that won't fuck you over later.
RogueThneed@reddit
WHEN they catch you, they will charge you fines going back to the initial fraud. PLUS high interest. Just don't go that route.
Jeremy_Lepak@reddit
Start a church.
DickMc_LongCock@reddit
https://i.redd.it/cgm0a8dmpfyf1.gif
Jeffde@reddit
“Look Mama, it’s the Devil”
eatingganesha@reddit
or a non-profit. Then have all wages/salary sent to the org. Write that off as a donation to the org, then pay it to yourself as Director. However, you will then have to file business taxes (a 990 of some kind) in which you have to prove all your expenses with receipts as legit to the operation of the org. Same goes for an LLC - you still have to file those taxes and proofs.
While there may seem to be ways around it, at the end of the day, the IRS has covered all the loopholes (unless you’re rich enough to afford an offshore account).
So that is your only real option, OP - an offshore account. Most of those have minimum balances that would curl your hair.
RPK79@reddit
You can only write off charitable contributions up to 60% of your AGI.
angry-elf@reddit
That's fucked
Mediocre-Metal-1796@reddit
Become a monk and have zero funds, no income.
Catatonic27@reddit
When you start a job you can usually ask them to modify your federal withholding. You can make it $0 but you obviously still owe the taxes. Your W2 will just show $0 federal withheld wages and you'd be on the hook for the entirety of your tax bill for the year all at once. Some people do this because they want their tax money to earn them interest all year, but you could conceivably do it with the intention to just never file taxes again. It's fraud and there are consequences, but if you're fine living off the grid financially-speaking it's probably doable. Pretty fucking easy for the IRS to see that you're making money but not filing taxes or withholding them from your paychecks so it's not exactly an awesome idea.
RedditFauxGold@reddit
For those that are thinking of this method of holding taxes but plant to still file and true up, be aware when you do file you’ll be charge a penalty and interest because our tax laws require timely payment with income. That’s generally covered through payroll deductions so if you don’t do payroll deduction you’re violating that provision.
Catatonic27@reddit
TIL! Is it like, a lot of money? A percentage of the missing revenue? Or more of a ceremonial $10 fee type of thing
philatio11@reddit
It's a lot of money. Penalties and interest as a percentage of what you didn't pay on time. It happened to me when my wife went back to work after a couple years off for kids and I forgot to change my withholding on my forms. It tacked a 4-digit number onto my tax bill at filing time as you have to pay the back taxes, the penalties, and the interest all at the same time. Later whenever one of us would work as a 1099 we were super diligent about paying quarterly estimated taxes due to the expensive lesson we learned. 0/10 don't recommend.
Big_Witness@reddit
I did this once as a 1099. Also don't recommend. From the IRS:
The failure to pay penalty is 0.5% of the unpaid taxes for each month or part of a month the tax remains unpaid. The penalty won’t exceed 25% of your unpaid taxes.
The failure-to-file penalty is usually five percent of the tax owed for each month, or part of a month that your return is late, up to a maximum of 25%.
Travelingbunny20@reddit
Yes, but there are ways around that sometimes. If you get. big bonus at thee end of the year you can show that for instance.
IAmYourFath@reddit
So ure saying after 50 months it's free?
smokingcrater@reddit
You have a $1000 buffer. If you owe more underpaid taxes than that, the penalty starts at 8% of what you owe.
swedishpiehole@reddit
Honest question: taxes are due once a year based on the previous year’s income. Is there a law that you have to pre-pay estimated taxes due every pay period? People should be allowed to keep all their income until the tax filing determines the exact amount due. But what do I know.
RedditFauxGold@reddit
So funny thing… taxes are due when you earn the money. We only file the report once per year. I used to know where that language was but can’t recall. I’ll google a bit and edit this if I find it.
dos_passenger58@reddit
Probably have to keep up with quarterly payments, right?
RedditFauxGold@reddit
Back in the day you could avoid any penalty if you cleared a certain amount of taxes due (there’s a decision tree based on if you’re making more or less than the previous year). But I noticed lately that my taxes have an entire weekly payment schedule. So I think quarterly may even have some risk of a fee if you are getting paid biweekly
wawa2022@reddit
I did payroll for a company where all the laborers listed 13-14 dependents so they had no withholding. After a few years, each would move back to his home country (Eastern Europeans). The top three people who owned/managed the company eventually went to jail for something else
GoodGoodGoody@reddit
Decent chance some or all were illegal and using a stolen or borrowed SSN too.
Proud-Relation4719@reddit
Good
GoodGoodGoody@reddit
If identity fraud is good…
Proud-Relation4719@reddit
Taking money from a fascist government is good
GoodGoodGoody@reddit
But it’s not “taking money from the govt”, it’s taking money from other taxpayers while also causing a whole lot of grief for the specific citizen who had their SSN and identity stolen.
Proud-Relation4719@reddit
The military, ICE, and every overpaid asshole in the fed government is taking money from other taxpayers to fund domestic terrorism. Anything that takes money away from literal kidnapping goon squads is a good thing.
GoodGoodGoody@reddit
You know the federal gov’t provides food stamps…
Proud-Relation4719@reddit
They used to provide food stamps
GoodGoodGoody@reddit
Uh huh. And they did during the time OP mentioned.
We get it, you’re upset. Big mad.
But tax fraud and identity fraud is shitty behaviour.
Proud-Relation4719@reddit
I don't care. I hope it was Republicans who has their identity stolen. They deserve everything bad that could happen to them.
wawa2022@reddit
This was over 30 years ago. Were we fascists back then?
Proud-Relation4719@reddit
Is there a year where we weren't the fascists? Our country was founded on genocide and has been involved in some form of exploitation, slavery, and human rights abuses throughout its history.
Justame13@reddit
Thats exactly what Wesley Snipes did.
And ended up in prison for 28 months for it.
Alternative_Mine5343@reddit
i can only assume you're hedging your bets against the eventual involvement of some sort of ai that will not only work terribly, but will rapidly 'catch up' on things like this.
sexyshadyshadowbeard@reddit
Take a billion dollar loss and carry it forward.
MermaidSapphire@reddit
Their computers will catch you.
UnwiseFlyer@reddit
Stop working
Azariah98@reddit
Die
musicgray@reddit
A couple years ago I overpaid by $1 and they caught it. It took a couple months but they sent me a check for $1. My recommendation is don’t.
alwaysoffby0ne@reddit
Don’t forget a lot of processes are automated. Yes, there’s less manpower and slower enforcement, but that doesn’t mean they won’t still raise a flag on you that you get investigated for at some future date.
carnivoreinyeg@reddit
It's literally a multi billion dollar industry helping people structure their assets so they pay as little as possible, and you think you'll be able to pull it off from instructions on a reddit thread ?
Curious_medium@reddit
Yeah, well, they came after me and I usually get a refund. Which was weird. I thought if you usually get a refund they won’t come after you, but I was wrong. I got sick- didn’t file for a couple of years, and they just dinged me 2 weeks ago, during the shutdown. I wonder if this is part of the “doge-ing”? Like “oh let’s get these poor suckers to pay their fair share”… when in fact I consistently overpay, and the result of the doge= govt having to provide me with a refund. The irony, but the result tracks.
Significant-Glove917@reddit
There are ways. You wont find the answer here though.
Electrical_Angle_701@reddit
Form a church like all the other grifters.
JerryRiceOfOhio2@reddit
have you tried being a billionaire or a politician?
Cuneus-Maximus@reddit
The only correct answer here is
Cuneus-Maximus@reddit
Work jobs that only pay in cash.
newnewformysavior@reddit
Not unethical. Taxes are optional. If you want to go beyond that and become free search Brandon Joe Williams. He has a contract killer course that gives you beginner info for printing money, free house/car, And how to be free by separating yourself from the system. Great info for sure
Moistcowparts69@reddit
Found the sov cit!
newnewformysavior@reddit
Is that what you call nationals? you do know that you’re not an employee of the USA right? By using sovereign citizen it definitely shows you’re brainwashed
Moistcowparts69@reddit
My statement stands 🙄🤣🤣
newnewformysavior@reddit
As long as you’re happy
NeedScienceProof@reddit
He appears to teach this with some measure of credibility (exiting the IRS system is fairly easy, actually) but don't trust him regarding his free money program.
newnewformysavior@reddit
I don’t think he has a program for “free” money but he does introduce instruments. It’s up to you to figure out how to present them
Anagoth9@reddit
Make under $15,750 annual income
UnemployedAtype@reddit
Not necessarily unethical, in fact, this is the way that plenty people do this -
I know an old Romanian guy who is a massive real estate mogul and contractor. You'd never know it though because he's typically dressed in whatever old t-shirt he's had for years and years and he kinda looks like an old fisherman.
His financial guy will make a new LLC For him every time that he does a new project and his travel, vehicle, food while working or on the road, etc is an expense that he documents. He is paid on a 1099 out of the business and it's always such a small amount that he never owes any taxes. When the project is done, the LLC is shut down, and it's rinse and repeat.
Now, here's what I, personally, don't know yet - how his financial guy shifts the rest of the profit from a project so that it stays with our humble wealthy mogul.
I'm not making this up, they have a system that's totally by the books, follows the letter of the law to the T, and he doesn't have to pay a dime in taxes, which's what you are asking about.
Let me state that again, but just simply - form a business, document everything carefully, get a professional financial advisor involved, expense any and every work related thing, only pay yourself a modest amount as a 1099 contractor (or whatever your financial advisor recommends), and, as long as you have enough expenses to offset your income, you won't owe taxes.
Maybe one day I ask him the last piece of the puzzle about where the rest of the money goes. Maybe it's some sort of contract payment to another LLC of his or some other such shift.
But this is how many people don't owe taxes but do bring in decent income.
Definitely get professional help though, you don't want to give anyone an excuse to audit you and find out that you have no clue what you're doing with bookkeeping or taxes (unless you do).
cosmicloafer@reddit
They have computers. You will get flagged above certain thresholds. If you’re small beans they might not investigate, but do you want to risk it?
Wrong_Buyer_1079@reddit
It won't take them 2 weeks to catch up with the poors. It's the billionaires who don't have to worry.
growerdan@reddit
Learn everything there is to know about paying taxes then you’ll find the ways to skirt around them.
paula7609@reddit
Become a millionaire
Late-Drink3556@reddit
Since you asked, I would never bet against the IRS.
It doesn't matter how long you stop paying taxes because you're betting the IRS is too fucked up to catch you. One day, when the IRS unfucks itself, the tax man will find you and you will regret every life decision that led you down this path of personal destruction.
Salty-Passenger-4801@reddit
Someone I might possibly know (or maybe it was a dream), hasn't paid or filed in 7 years. Living good.
turo9992000@reddit
Do they have a job? I know people that hadn't filed in 10 years and thought they were getting away with something, but what was actually happening, was the IRS and state were just keeping his withholding and his refund.
Salty-Passenger-4801@reddit
They were self employed
Plastic-Ad1055@reddit
can't they file within 3 years?
turo9992000@reddit
Yes, it took convincing to have him go to turbo tax and file. He thought he was getting away with something. He lost the money for the other years.
Plastic-Ad1055@reddit
So within three years he can get a refund?
Ashmizen@reddit
Not filing is not the same thing as not paying.
Your paycheck deducts MORE than your correct amount of taxes, to encourage you to file to get the “tax refund”.
If you don’t file you just pay Uncle Sam more than you need to.
If you want to not pay any taxes you can try to convince your workplace to collect zero taxes on your paycheck, but that will get you flagged immediately as nobody does that.
smokingcrater@reddit
I haven't gotten a refund in 10 years. You don't need to let them deduct more, it is entirely your choice with the # of deductions. My goal is to not pay in more than $1000 or so, but I'd consider a refund a major failure on my part.
ExpressCap1302@reddit
Basically governement is getting a 0% interest loan from us.
Pleasant_Expert_1990@reddit
Start a church. It's remarkably easy
UysofSpades@reddit
Leptonshavenocolor@reddit
So not fuck with the governments money, they take that shirt seriously.
flextov@reddit
That shirt is handmade in Italy.
Leptonshavenocolor@reddit
Well the current administration certainly wouldn't give the one off their back to help anyone.
gilfy245@reddit
Become a billionaire.
Lifestyle-Creeper@reddit
Stop making income, don’t own property and stop buying things.
nicootimee@reddit (OP)
That’s a very ethical answer??? Why comment lol
NeedScienceProof@reddit
You don't really want an answer, do you. You LOVE paying taxes. Admit it.
NeedScienceProof@reddit
A-ha! Do you know the definition of income according to the IRS...?
sweetassassafras@reddit
Do you work for the Federal Government or are you a resident in the District of Columbia? Otherwise its all voluntary.
NeedScienceProof@reddit
Real answer in the comments. I know many people who have exited the IRS tax club, some for more than 25 years. You just need the education that Reddit official and their minion bots will deny exist and try to scare you away from standing.
No-Neighborhood-7354@reddit
Get yourself on disability. I've been on disability for about 15 years and never had to pay taxes since.
Teiturtomas@reddit
Go to jail. Everything free, and 0 taxes! IRS won't know what hit'em!
Twistshot94@reddit
The IRS hates this man for this one simple trick!
Obvious-Activity-936@reddit
And free healthcare care too
fingers@reddit
cake
gripping_intrigue@reddit
Nope apparently free. I understand that some places charge. If you don't pay up, they can lock you up again.
erp2@reddit
Prison...jail is short term.
flyonwall86@reddit
My friend said they charged him for rent at his release after his 3 yrs
MaybeTheDoctor@reddit
Dead people don’t pay taxes, so there are options.
1234golf1234@reddit
Learn Spanish. Puerto Rico has a much lower tax rate.
60sStratLover@reddit
With AI now, the IRS is analyzing millions of returns and sending out audit letters without a human even looking at your info.
wagmorebarkles@reddit
You can literally stop paying them now. There will be consequences, but that comes later.
No_Educator_6376@reddit
I found out recently that cemeteries are exempt from property taxes. If you have access to a full urn of ashes from a cremation file the paperwork for burying it on your property and you live on a cemetery now tax free. Hiding your income is up to you.
fingers@reddit
Ehem....burying it on your golf course....
No_Educator_6376@reddit
He showed us the way !
Voyager5555@reddit
Become a billionaire.
B_P_G@reddit
What do you mean file exempt? Tell your employer you're exempt from withholding? That won't do you any good. You'll still get a W2 and your wages will still get reported to the IRS. If you don't file a return (and pay the penalties and interest on all the money you didn't pay during the year) then eventually the IRS will catch up with you. It doesn't take that much effort for the IRS to track wage earners. It's the audits of businesses and wealthy people that require real effort.
Comprehensive_Cut179@reddit
I did it once. I actually had bought like 2 old trucks that year- and as expected I lost money. I wrote the losses off and I just ended up owing 600.
EmpireStrikes1st@reddit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXmQW_aqBks
Steve Martin covered this way back in the 1970s.
Scary-Ad9646@reddit
Dynamix86@reddit
You need a job that you can remotely first and your employer needs to be okay with that too. Then you register in a country like Paraguay, work through an employer of record if you are employed or set up your own company and work as a freelancer. You will get paid through paraguay and when your salary is deposited on a Paraguayan bank account, is it outside of the view of your country because Paraguay is not part of CRS.
The good thing is that you don’t even need to stay in Paraguay. You just have to come back there once every three years and that’s it. Now you are officially tax free. If you want to do this fully legal ad well, then don’t stay in your home country for too much time each year because they could classify you as a tax resident.
Bad-Genie@reddit
You're not rich enough
----0___0----@reddit
Nice try officer
QuietResponsible5575@reddit
MeganJustMegan@reddit
Stupid idea unless you like Federal prison. Nothing is free. Pay your taxes.
screwedupinaz@reddit
Become your own church.
thanos4538@reddit
an accounting professor of mine said if you are going to do anything, file a zero return. Statute of limitations is 3-6 years for false returns. For not filing one, it is indefinite.
Kafkabest@reddit
They’ll catch ya eventually. Just depends on if you’re either dead, gone, or more well off
luchomatic@reddit
Everyone keeps saying that but is that so true? I never met anyone who got audited
Kafkabest@reddit
Now you have
luchomatic@reddit
Hahah I’m sorry to hear that, how was it? Were you under reporting a lot or something?
boarshead1966@reddit
Do so legally. Invest in a way that much of your taxes are deducted, such as real estate.
nicktehbubble@reddit
Start a business, claim everything as an expense, claim everything else as a loss
AcesSkye@reddit
CharlesAvlnchGreen@reddit
Move to Alaska. No state income or sales tax, though cost of living is pretty high there.
Other states may vary in terms of taxes. WA does not have a state income tax but our sales tax is pretty high. FL does not tax retirement income.
Not all taxes are federal, keep that in mind.
benhereford@reddit
I don't know how valid it is, but I know someone that claims disability and makes less than 25k/ year, mostly from the govt (not taxed). Claims to have not filed taxes in years.
Not saying I agree with it, but there are ways evidently. Idk maybe he's digging himself in a hole
Ashmizen@reddit
At 25k a year the government will literally give him tax credits aka free money every year if he filed. Households who make less than 50k annually basically pay zero income taxes, thanks to the standard deduction.
dudenamedfella@reddit
I know this is gonna sound silly, but there’s a difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance
Ashmizen@reddit
+++1
computer_crisps_dos@reddit
TL;DR: Tax evasion will land you in jail; tax elusion will let you screw the bastards back.
The IRS took $600 from my brokerage account and never gave me a way to get them back, even after admitting it was a mistake. It has been gutted, at least partially, like every institution in the US, so, yeah, don't expect anything from them and boycott them if you can, just be smart about it.
Tax evasion is illegal; tax elusion, on the other hand, is how the rich do it. You can set up a trust fund for relatively cheap. Your source of income really determines the right way to go but you can find a specialized heaven for pretty much anything. Can you claim your business is tech-based? Set up a Netherlands branch, pay no taxes on it, and make your US branch pay your NL branch for the services; you can make your US branch 'lose' money on the process and claim it as an expense. It changes all the time and the Dutch-Irish classic trick might no longer be the best choice but there is definitely something out there that can help you.
Ashmizen@reddit
The thing is, the stuff is moving to automation which requires less workers.
Not paying taxes (marked exempt) and not filing taxes together would easily be caught and automatically get a letter from the IRS.
You hear of people not getting caught for not filing - because their payroll deductions are already collected and filing taxing would probably get them a refund.
And rich people with very complicated tax returns might claim a couple wrong things “by mistake” and get a few % benefit.
But anything massively off (like 100% not paying tax) is automatically going to be flagged.
random-guy-here@reddit
Once you file they know you exists....
God_Bless_A_Merkin@reddit
Don’t be rich. There’s a good start. Otherwise, fuck off.
thehighepopt@reddit
Actually, being rich is the best way to not pay taxes
TwittyParker@reddit
Could hire a personal butler for what they're skimming from me for fucks sake
spamIover@reddit
The top 1% pay 40% of all income taxes. The top 10% pay 80%. It’s been this way since the 80s. Being rich means you pay MORE taxes not less. There are ways to pay a less % but not less overall. The bottom 50% of earners pay 3% of all income taxes collected.
HearHerRoar@reddit
The top 1% of households hold 31% of the wealth. The top 10% hold 67% of the wealth. The bottom 50% holds 3% of the wealth.
If those statistics don't show that taxes are not significantly distributing the wealth earned in this country, I'll elaborate.
The total wealth in this country is around $167 trillion, and the US collected about $5 trillion in taxes last year. That's about 3% of the total wealth held by households.
For simplicity's sake, let's say the US collected $100 in taxes out of $3,333 total wealth.
The top 1% holds $1,033 and paid $40 in taxes, leaving them with $993. The top 10% holds $2,033 and paid $80 in taxes, leaving them with $1,953. The bottom 50% holds $100 and paid $3, leaving them with $97.
I need to take it one step further to fully illustrate the problem here. Let's say there are only 100 people in the country, each in their own household.
The richest person ended up with $933. Subtracting their share of the top 10%, the next nine richest people each end up with $106. The bottom 50 people get just under $2 each.
When talking about taxes and the wealthy, it's important to consider just how terrible the wealth distribution is in this country. Looking at the percentage overall that each group pays in income taxes masks how much wealth the rich are hoarding. It's not that the rich don't pay taxes, it's that what they pay is less than a drop in the bucket of their overall wealth, and they should be taxed at a much higher rate, like we used to.
PiSquared6@reddit
Downvoters are mad it's not 41% and 81%
God_Bless_A_Merkin@reddit
No, that’s the super-rich.
susanrez@reddit
lol you know how the rich don’t pay taxes? They invest all their money into stocks and property. They then take out loans against the stock portfolio and the property to pay their expenses. As the stocks increase in value and the property increases, they can borrow more. These loans are all designed to only come due when the asset is sold.
Loans are not taxable.
Yes I know wealthy people who technically have zero income.
It’s a lovely, legal scam that completely screws over all the lower classes.
Cuneus-Maximus@reddit
and is inaccessible to the lower classes because they don't have valuable enough assets to take out loans against.
jasikanicolepi@reddit
You can do something to call the 1031 exchange on property. You don't stop paying taxes but rather you defer the payment until you stop the 1031 exchange at which time you still have to pay the combined appreciation. So theoretically, you can keep playing the 1031 exchange until you die and not pay a single cent in tax.
FormidableMistress@reddit
The only two things in life are certain, death and taxes.
Sore_Wa_Himitsu_Desu@reddit
I mean, not paying is easy enough. That said, they will eventually catch up with you and they will bend you over and do you sideways.
Lucky-Technology-174@reddit
Tax evasion is a federal crime.
You may look into STR cost segregation studies and getting Real Estate Professional status w the IRS. That’s legit and there are vids on YouTube.
But don’t commit fraud. The IRS will freeze your passport, even, if you owe them enough money.
Acromion94@reddit
How does that work? Let’s say you have a SFH that is paid off with high property taxes vs rental property with prop taxes
DARKCYD@reddit
Blow up an asteroid that’s headed to earth. https://youtu.be/V0vy33Br_3s?si=yjEBbixLQKJmGKPu
PiSquared6@reddit
Bruce Wayne
RPK79@reddit
Only work for cash of up to $500 and never from the same person twice in a year. Never buy anything other than food and clothes that are exempt from sales tax. Never own a car or real estate. It'll be totally worth it though to stick it to the man!
KNeutch@reddit
Renounce your citizenship and become a digital nomad: Get a remote contracting gig that you can do anywhere in the world, change location every few months. Keep it under 6 months in any one country.
You'll have to get a passport from another country in order to travel, of course; and that'll cost you.
short answer: it's possible, but not worth it.
Sikening@reddit
There was something I read about rich people putting their money in trusts or something then taking loans from the bank and spending that as non-taxable income.
realcriminals
Open-Comedian8845@reddit
First step is have a lot of money in cash and llcs in montana
AndreLinoge55@reddit
Follow any trades I make in my brokerage account.
KGMtech1@reddit
Never start paying taxes.
Lucky-Technology-174@reddit
Become a billionaire obv
REALtumbisturdler@reddit
Have you considered becoming president?
responsibill1028@reddit
Someone that isn't me one time just multiplied every number by like 4 and got 4 times the refund. this was all before auto upload of w2s. so you would need to manually input the numbers, and idk how easy it is for them to kick it back if it doesn't match their numbers
Donday90@reddit
Move to Saudi or be a billionaire