AMD confirms focus shifts to RDNA3 and RDNA4, RX 6000 and RX 5000 lose day 1 game optimizations
Posted by pi314156@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 278 comments
RenlyHoekster@reddit
Hmmm, what happens to the support for the iGPU, the integrated RDNA2 GPU that is in every Ryzen 4 and 5 CPU?
BlaDoS_bro@reddit
The Z2 A (Xbox Ally) also uses RDNA2... And that particular handheld launched last month.
I guess the Legion Go S also uses an APU with RDNA2 (Z2 go), but as that runs SteamOS, it isn't as much of a problem.
Krigen89@reddit
That'll still work fine for Excel and YouTube. No games optimization won't matter
kyp-d@reddit
That's RDNA3 and RDNA3.5
RDNA2 iGPU are in Steam Deck / Zen3+
RenlyHoekster@reddit
I think only the Ryzen AI 300 and mobile processors and for example the Ryzen 8000G have better iGPUs, but every other Zen 4 and Zen 5 processor has 2x RDNA2-based GPU cores...
Junior_Potato0@reddit
Do iGPUs even get day 1 optimizations for games in the first place?
bubblesort33@reddit
I didn't think RDNA3 was all that different from RDNA2. The dual issue compute thing hardly seems like it gets any use.
Given AMD's move to UDNA in the future, I'm kind of wondering how long support for even RDNA3 and RDNA4 will last now.
Seanspeed@reddit
RDNA3 was a big architectural redesign, regardless of it being very disappointing.
And this just seems like AMD is moving to match Nvidia's driver support policy. Basically, only the latest two generation architectures get Day 1 performance driver support.
OwlProper1145@reddit
Nvidia is providing Day 1 game drivers for the RTX 20 series through to the current RTX 50 series though. They even maintained support for Maxwell and Pascal until very recently.
TumorInMyBrain@reddit
He said the same thing in another comment, I dont think he owns an nvidia card
Seanspeed@reddit
Last time I've owned anything *other* than an Nvidia card, it was an ATI card. lol
I know what I'm talking about. Having access to the latest drivers is NOT the same thing as actually getting these specific game optimizations. Nvidia has always only actively supported this for their latest two generations. This has been going on forever now.
Dry-Week-5410@reddit
Anyone can go to nvidia drivers page and find multiple recent drivers with notes on game optimization.
Seanspeed@reddit
Go do it and prove me wrong then. lol
Seanspeed@reddit
Oh dear folks - having access to the latest drivers is not the same thing as getting actual Day 1 game optimizations. lol I'm still getting access to the latest Geforce drivers for my 1070!
This is literally no different than what Nvidia does.
bubblesort33@reddit
You can probably get access to the latest drivers on GTX 780 ti as well. It's just that the latest drivers are from like 2020.
Vb_33@reddit
Bro.. Nvidia supported day one drivers Maxwell for 11 years.
Seanspeed@reddit
This is just wildly untrue. The context here is specific Day 1 game optimizations. Nvidia has only ever put any effort into this for their latest two architectures. Just cuz you have access to the latest drivers does not mean you're getting any kind of game optimizations for them if you're using an older GPU.
imaginary_num6er@reddit
RDNA3 has “AI Matrix Cores” that RDNA2 doesn’t. RDNA3 also was “Architectured to exceed 3.0Ghz”
From-UoM@reddit
Rdna3 doesn't have matrix cores.
They have WMMA instruction sets which in the CU.
They don't have dedicated AI cores.
Wander715@reddit
Imagine if Nvidia did this for RTX 30, reddit would throw a tantrum. Guarantee you'll barely hear a peep about this though.
The_Countess@reddit
They already have. just unannounced.
randomkidlol@reddit
yeah 30 and 20 series are on tier2 or tier3 support now. almost all the new features omit these 2 generations of cards since theyre 2+ generations old. at least AMD is upfront when they drop hardware down to tier2 support.
nukleabomb@reddit
You mean like DLSS 4 upscaling? Oh wait
randomkidlol@reddit
yep framegen is being artificially limited because ampere and turing support is being dialed back. no reason why FSR3 framegen works on these GPUs but nvidia's own solution doesnt.
StickiStickman@reddit
Yea, why won't Nvidia just make the needed hardware magically appear on older cards!
randomkidlol@reddit
because you dont need the extra hardware in blackwell and lovelace for framegen? just like how REBAR support could work on turing and volta GPUs with a firmware update but nvidia refused to do it because those cards were on tier2/3 support at the time, or how nvidia refused to add vesa adaptive sync support to maxwell when the hardware had displayport 1.2 support.
its a pattern of tier2/3 support for cards 2 generations or older. idk why people are convinced theyre still working hard on them. just because theyre in the same driver package doesnt mean anything.
StickiStickman@reddit
Why are you here making up conspiracy theories about something that's well known and easy to check? Yes, you do need the hardware to run framegen, otherwise you lose more FPS than you'd gain.
randomkidlol@reddit
framegen on 30 and 20 series is a conspiracy now? so fsr3 and xess fg dont exist in your world then?
The_Countess@reddit
5 and 6000 series cards aren't being dropped from new features (if they can support them)
That's not what this was about at all.
Kprime149@reddit
The 2070 got day 1 optimization for bl4 because it was the target of min specs and so did the 3080.
FitCress7497@reddit
People already did that when they dropped 10 YEARS OLD Pascal support
Seanspeed@reddit
Nvidia dropped supporting Pascal with specific game optimizations by Ampere already.
Y'all are basically all confusing general driver support with specific Day 1 game optimizations. It's crazy that pretty much nobody in this comment section seems to understand the difference.
IAmYourFath@reddit
And vega, barely 6 hrs in (released in 2017, driver support dropped in 2023) and amd said fuck it.
Plus-Candidate-2940@reddit
Well to be fair there is probably a lot more people still using pascal then there is rdna 2
nanonan@reddit
This isn't abandoning them like that, just lowering their priority.
Seanspeed@reddit
This has been common practice from Nvidia for ages. lol
Nvidia is not putting effort into optimizing drivers specifically for older GPU's. They pretty much always focus on their latest two generations.
Doesn't mean there wont still be occasional like 'feature support' things that still get updated, but we're talking specific Day 1 game optimizations. Which usually contribute a very small boost to performance for certain games and not a whole lot else.
Saneless@reddit
You're literally responding to an article, on reddit, criticizing them
ComplexEntertainer13@reddit
And it barley has any engagement compared to a random "Nvidia bad" thread.
ClickClick_Boom@reddit
oh you're so oppressied.
ComplexEntertainer13@reddit
Got something to hide?
ClickClick_Boom@reddit
What?
RuleIV@reddit
He tried to look at your profile for ammunition against you but your profile is set to private.
ClickClick_Boom@reddit
oh, that's exactly why I set it private. I'm sick of people who get upset at me going through my history.
WildVelociraptor@reddit
lol what a strawman
ComplexEntertainer13@reddit
Do you create subs just so that you can seem more important as a mod?
WildVelociraptor@reddit
For real though, they're just throwaway meme subs. Sorta thing you'd link in a thread once and gets forgotten.
WildVelociraptor@reddit
Oh yeah, I'm King Fuck of Shit Mountain
JUSTsMoE@reddit
Better than cosplaying as a corporation ig.
Insidious_Ursine@reddit
Nine, most of which have nada in them lmao
Rude_Thought_9988@reddit
Their fan base might as well be a cult. They got whole YouTube channels dedicated to this kind of nonsense.
Culbrelai@reddit
(AMD unboxed)
Kashinoda@reddit
I've never seen a comment age like milk so quickly.
liquidsprout@reddit
That's because reddit has nvidia gpus. How many here have and how many of those are 5000 series owners?
ILoveTheAtomicBomb@reddit
AMD stays solidifying my choice as to why I only buy Nvidia GPUs
Seanspeed@reddit
This has been Nvidia's standard practice forever. lol
Kprime149@reddit
Damn bro amd got you fighting in the trenches.
Seanspeed@reddit
Sorry for caring about the truth and trying to inform people with good information. smh
I've literally never owned an AMD GPU. Been Nvidia forever, only broken by an ATI card back in the early 2000's.
Quigleythegreat@reddit
Cards like the 6800xt are still non-RT monsters. In this economy this is a great way to piss everyone off.
DuhPai@reddit
For people with a 6800 or 6900/6950 XT, AMD's current best offering only provides a 30-40% uplift. Many people don't want to upgrade until they can get at least 50% or even 100% better performance. If people want that right now, they have no choice but to buy Nvidia, especially with the Super series right around the corner.
Any-Ingenuity2770@reddit
I'm about to finally upgrade from my trusty and only just abandoned 1080 Ti to 9070 XT. Gonna be glorious.
Purple10tacle@reddit
You can test assured that your 9070 XT will be abandoned a lot faster, though.
Any-Ingenuity2770@reddit
it pains me incredibly
__Rosso__@reddit
And actually good drivers
I know which brand made my GPU BSOD with two drivers in span of 3 months and it sure as fuck isn't Nvidia
randomkidlol@reddit
if you update your drivers to a whql certified version and your computer becomes unstable, its usually because of a bad overclock or unstable xmp/docp profiles.
__Rosso__@reddit
This wasn't because of that, this BSOD issue was something AMD themselves admitted, XMP or no XMP it was happening, and I never overclock my GPU when it gets the job done performance wise.
BlueSiriusStar@reddit
Yeah may have had the same issue with a friend's card before, told him to just cut losses and sell the card. Not sure why people are quickly jumping to AMD's defence about such issues.
nekogami87@reddit
Did you already forget the fiasco drivers for the 5000 release at first ?
__Rosso__@reddit
Oh no, one generation that launched with less than ideal drivers that got blown out of proportion.
People got more mad at RTX 5000 series drivers than they ever got for far more broken AMD drivers that never get fully fixed.
At least Nvidia has a track record of stable drivers and actually fixing them if something does go wrong once in a blue moon.
Even Intel who is new to the game has put more effort in their drivers.
ToshiroK_Arai@reddit
It was so bad that the 5000 series got so cheap
Ey_J@reddit
We have both AMD and Nvidia at home and no issue whatsoever.
raydialseeker@reddit
Wow 1 persons anecdotal evidence
xAragon_@reddit
You realize the same argument can be made about the dude complaining about issues with AMD drivers, right?
kinkycarbon@reddit
I have a 1080ti and still will not upgrade until I see improvements to ray tracing computation become better value for dollar and performance.
reddanit@reddit
IMHO, the biggest practical downside of sticking with 1080Ti isn't lack of raytracing, but lack of modern upscaling. It's still a reasonably capable card, but lack of latest DLSS/FSR means it's effectively knocked a tier lower when compared to cards that do support it. Especially if you are playing at resolutions higher than 1080p.
GreatnessRD@reddit
You have the greatest card ever made. Glad to see its still holding on for you. The People's champ card.
shroombablol@reddit
how important are day 1 game optimizations though? we're talking couple %s of performance improvement iirc.
TumorInMyBrain@reddit
Some games do not let you run the game without new drivers with them having a driver check at startup
Niwrats@reddit
wow, that's some peak incompetence from the devs. you'd think the game worked without extra hacks added to run it. well, it probably will if the check is bypassed though..
unless, of course, you are nvidia and you don't follow the spec to begin with, so you might have to do that.
Henrarzz@reddit
I too, would like the driver to support all features from the get go and not have bugs. But that doesn’t work like that, therefore driver denylists are a must
Niwrats@reddit
well never had to update the driver for a game myself, at least in 20+ years. before that i had to downgrade my nvidia driver though, because only certain old versions were performant.
guess i just don't end up playing games from incompetent devs somehow..? tbh the whole "game ready" driver sounds like a marketing spin from nvidia or something. as opposed to "our driver never worked, so we have to quick fix it now" -driver.
Henrarzz@reddit
No, D3D12 feature sets and/Vulkan extensions are introduced by newer driver versions, along with new Shader Model and shader compiler optimizations. This has nothing with “incompetent developers”, its nature of graphics programming.
Niwrats@reddit
no i mean this is very simple. if you use an old card for a new game, it will work. if it doesn't, the game dev is incompetent as they are throwing free revenue away.
it is primarily in the interest of the game devs for their game to work (well), and their job to make it happen. the only actual case where the consumer can expect an issue is if the card is just too weak (or extremely old so the dev won't bother).
Henrarzz@reddit
Cool theory, the practice of working with graphics APIs and drivers is drastically different.
Even code that passes validation layers and is perfectly according to specs may not work on particular driver versions or not perform well.
Niwrats@reddit
yeah? then the non-AAA games still happen to work just by magic alone? and the dev is certainly unable to adjust the code themselves to work around bugs in the driver?
Henrarzz@reddit
The vast majority of AAA games aren’t on the cutting edge of rendering support.
And even then they still have bugs, and in some cases, aren’t even run with validation layers to check for spec breaking. I worked on some.
Niwrats@reddit
well, i suppose the bug argument it beside the point, as AMD might be interested in fixing that even for older cards - or at least tell a workaround. so if they don't do either, then i agree with that point of yours specifically.
otherwise i'm not really seeing much here if we are talking about big budget games not doing their own work themselves when specifically going for cutting edge tech. or whatever these optimizations happen to mean in the end. it sounds more like gpu marketing, as in you put extra money to beat the competitor's bar in a benchmark, to get more sales for your gpus.
Seanspeed@reddit
FOLKS - this isn't about folks on older cards not getting access to new drivers at all. Only that specific efforts for game optimizations will be focused on newer architectures. This is exactly how Nvidia has done things for a long time.
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
You are also talking about support of DX features as and when they come if hardware permits. Mesh shading was hardware supported in 2018 but needed drivers for when it actually came in a game
Renard4@reddit
Honestly it doesn't matter, most people won't notice and the cards are still going to run fine for a long time, even without driver updates.
Seanspeed@reddit
They aren't getting rid of driver updates, only that within newer drivers, efforts surrounding Day 1 game optimizations will be made only for their latest architectures.
It's exactly how Nvidia does it.
Overclocked1827@reddit
Yep, I was buying AMD for a decade because they are the best bang for your buck in my country, but with that attitude to the customers - thanks, my next GPU will be Nvidia.
Seanspeed@reddit
Nvidia literally do the exact same thing. They drop driver support for anything more than two architectures old.
TumorInMyBrain@reddit
What? No. Stop spreading lies. The 750ti was getting game ready drivers for 9 years. We only just got the GTX 1000/Pascal to stop having drivers recently this year and that took 9 years too. RDNA2 released after RTX 30 Series/Ampere and they’re already putting it into maintenance mode just shy of 5 years while Ampere is still going to get game ready drivers day 1, even RTX 20 Series is still getting day 1 game ready drivers and those cards are 7 years old
randomkidlol@reddit
game ready drivers dont really contain optimizations or features for older architectures. just because its supported in the same driver package as the latest cards doesnt mean theyre keeping it in tier1 support like the newest cards.
at least amd is pretty upfront about it. nvidia's been beating around the bush with it for decades now.
Seanspeed@reddit
It's depressing that you're getting downvoted for this, just like me.
Folks here dont know what they're talking about.
I'm still getting access to 'Game Ready drivers' for my damn GTX1070. lol Imagine how ridiculous I'd have to be think that meant Nvidia was genuinely working to optimize games around my 9 year old GPU. lol
TumorInMyBrain@reddit
And care to provide a source for this claim? Even if it doesnt come with optimizations some games would not let you launch without specific driver versions
Seanspeed@reddit
Driver notes for specific game day optimizations usually go over this.
And again, nobody is talking about getting rid of access to newer drivers. Only that specific Day 1 optimizations built within are optimized for newer architectures. Which is exactly how Nvidia has worked for a long time.
Seanspeed@reddit
This is not a lie.
Y'all are making the hilarious mistake of thinking having access to 'Game Ready drivers' is the same thing as actually benefiting from them. I'm using a GTX1070 and I still get ACCESS to the latest drivers. But within those drivers, actual Day 1 game optimizations are only built for their latest architectures. This is how they've done things for a very long time.
We're not talking stripping away access to drivers altogether. It was specifically pointed out that they're talking about Day 1 game optimizations.
ComputerEngineer0011@reddit
Your next gpu should be whichever one makes the most sense for you, whether it’s amd, nvidia, or intel.
Nvidia is worse than AMD imo. This doesn’t even come close to the stuff Nvidia pulls with AIBs and other 3rd parties.
dorting@reddit
Plus the forced obsolescence with low VRAM GPU, they are all evil
StickiStickman@reddit
Nvidia is a LOT better for long term support. Most customers don't care what they do with other companies if it doesn't affect them.
the_nin_collector@reddit
Don't be silly, only knee-jerk reactions are acceptable these days.
braiam@reddit
Don't try to chastise them man. He deserves to have his wrong opinion too.
Overclocked1827@reddit
I do agree with that, but the only reason I got 6800 at a time was a lack of VRAM on 3070 and 3080. 3080ti with 12gb was enough for my needs (VR), but was out of my price range. I do understand the shit Nvidia does, but from a customer perspective there ain't much difference if they "downgrade" a card with their shit naming scheme, if there is no competition. I got fucked by AMD drivers once when buying a laptop with AMD GPU that got discontinued one year after release, but I let it pass. Don't think I'm going for it again.
bctoy@reddit
I owned 6800XT and it was pretty good in RT too, though of course not as good as 3090 which I also had at the same time. The lack of DLSS equivalent was a bigger issue.
The path-tracing updates that nvidia pushed out to some games ran abysmally on it. But it was doing okayish with previous high level RT in games like Dying Light 2 and Cyberpunk.
https://old.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1n31z8b/doom_path_tracing_and_bechmarks/nbn4xyj/
b3rdm4n@reddit
RDNA1 is borderline understandable, but RDNA2 is fully DX12 Ultimate compliant, this is a massive kick in the teeth to anyone with an RX6000 series card.
Vb_33@reddit
And? Nvidia didn't stop supporting Maxwell till just now 2025, that's 11 years of support regardless of DX12U compatibility.
ShadowRomeo@reddit
What does this mean with the upcoming FSR 4 lite Int4 version that AMD is developing though? Will the official release of it still support RDNA 2 despite it being moved to legacy branch of drivers?
frsguy@reddit
AMD never stated they are working on int4
ShadowRomeo@reddit
So, they will never release it then? Then what is the point of all the work they were clearly doing with the leaked version of FSR 4?
Morningst4r@reddit
It’s likely the INT8 branch was just the original one before they decided to move to FP8. AMD might release an FP16 version for RDNA3 instead. RDNA3 already runs the FP8 version just as well as the INT8 one in Linux and it looks better.
glizzygobbler247@reddit
From what ive heard its the other way around, the original one being FP8 and they had to rewrite the entire thing in INT8 for PS5 and RDNA3.
if the can make it work i would prefer higher performance with INT8 than higher quality with FP8.
In my opinion after spending months with both versions and DLSS4, if you apply some contrast adaptive sharpening to INT8 FSR4, all 3 are almost indistinguishable unless ur nitpicking
Morningst4r@reddit
I want a better upscaler not a worse one, even if it's not a huge difference. The FP version is already as fast or faster on RDNA3 in Linux and much faster on RDNA4, so the only reason to keep developing the INT8 one is PS5 Pro and RDNA2 (which is pretty borderline for performance as an official product).
AMD should release a super light version for handhelds but I don't know if it will have that much in common with the leaked INT8 code or not.
frsguy@reddit
No idea I don't work for amd. In the interview done by ancient gameplay they stated that amd is always trying stuff. They could have put it on pause for Redstone and may come back after.
glizzygobbler247@reddit
He said that redstone was their main priority but rdna 3 owners should stay tuned, its also confirmed that the same fsr4 version is coming to ps5
crab_quiche@reddit
All of these companies have a ton of projects going at once that are never going to see the light of day because they are competing against other internal projects, just don’t work, market conditions, etc.
friendlyreminder_@reddit
No, AMD are freezing all driver development for RDNA 1 and 2. Literally nothing will be changed any more, so expect no new features, and new games to rarely to occasionally not work/crash.
It's been confirmed they're moving these GPUs to the legacy branch, and this is a literal branching of the development tree off, making any backporting of code much more difficult.l, and I highly suspect there will be none.
Legacy branch GPUs only get security exploit fixes, and the very rare crash fixes for extremely basic use cases.
For example the legacy Vega branch aside from security fixes got a few basic fixes to browser video decoding crashes, a Microsoft teams crash fix, I think a Photoshop crash fix and the one game they did a fix for was minecraft, which was a crash fix. That's it.
Alternatively AMD GPUs are still more or less fully supported all the way back to GCN 1.0 on Linux. It's better than nothing.
Seanspeed@reddit
All they're saying is that older generation GPU's wont get specific Day 1 game optimizations, which only apply to the handful of specific games that get it. That's it. It's the same thing that Nvidia does. All other general driver support will continue. And it doesn't mean that feature support cant still be added for older GPU's if and when applicable.
Seanspeed@reddit
Feature support like this can still be added. They are talking purely about Day 1 game optimization stuff that comes with specific game releases. Things that usually dont make a big difference anyways.
Everybody is fearmongering over this like crazy, not understanding a pretty basic and normal situation.
OwlProper1145@reddit
I get putting RDNA1 support on the back burner but it seems crazy to do the same for RDNA2.
ComplexEntertainer13@reddit
Ye, especially since they are still floating around in the channel.
I don't know when AMD stopped manufacturing them, but they sure as hell had stockpiles of them that kept showing up until like 2024. It sure as hell is not that long enough ago that it warrants dropping day 1 support.
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
Laptop RDNA2 iGPUs are sold to this day
yflhx@reddit
Also handheld consoles. The Asus ROG Xbox Ally literally launched 2 weeks ago with RDNA2.
Sadukar09@reddit
You could buy new RDNA2 GPUs like the RX 6600 as of a few months ago.
996forever@reddit
You can buy amd laptops and handhelds with currently produced APUs with rdna2.
PracticalSecret7245@reddit
Umm actually they just released an Rdna2 handheld.
996forever@reddit
Yes, that Z2 Go and Z2 A (which is a rebadged steam deck apu) both fit this description.
PracticalSecret7245@reddit
Yeah I know, my point is the Xbox handheld literally released like a week before this announcement lmao.
-protonsandneutrons-@reddit
Even today: $80 for a RX 6500 XT.
PowerColor Fighter Gaming Graphics Card
Jonny_H@reddit
And newegg sells new geforce 1050 cards. If you're willing to expand that to third party sellers on newegg there's a new geforce fx 5200. Probably just sitting in some dusty warehouse somewhere hoping someone who doesn't know what they're doing and/or some need for an identical replacement pops up.
I'm not sure "Still being sold" really matters without knowing the numbers.
-protonsandneutrons-@reddit
To conflate the 1050 released nine years ago and the RX 6500 XT released four years ago seems silly in terms of sales + quantity.
If you have sales data per SKU per quarter, please share. Who wouldn't want that data?
PracticalSecret7245@reddit
Hey in his defense the 1050 released nine years ago probably outsells any AMD GPU.
Lolz.
Jonny_H@reddit
Yes, my entire point is that "Still being sold" isn't really a useful statement about age.
firneto@reddit
Bought my 6750xt in july of 2023...
This is dumb
loozerr@reddit
You bought amd expecting good driver support? Understandable mistake to make.
BioshockEnthusiast@reddit
My RX 580 got day 1 driver support for a longer period of time than my 6950Xt will.
So yes, I did expect proper driver support and no that is not an "understandable mistake". This is a shit move by AMD.
TSP-FriendlyFire@reddit
I owned two HD6950s back when Crossfire was still a thing. Those were supported for less than 5 years, so you could've very easily bought the card a few years in and gotten less than 48 months of active support.
Unfortunately nothing new for AMD.
Brapplezz@reddit
Amd were basically scumbags till after HD 7000 series lol
PracticalSecret7245@reddit
Legitimately there's only two products that AMD supported long term:
HD 7000 series (and the rebranded R9 200 series which was just HD 7000 all over again)
RX 400/500 series
That's it. Entire history of the company.
PracticalSecret7245@reddit
No, it's an understandable mistake. GCN2 and Vega were basically never supported by AMD properly and had very very early driver support end dates.
Polaris (RX 480/580/etc) and the original GCN (hd 7950/70/etc) series were bucking a trend of AMD not supporting gpus. These were the outliers for AMD if you look back historically.
It's understandable you took one of the very few successful AMD products and assumed that's how they operate, but that's just an understandable mistake.
loozerr@reddit
AMD has managed day 1 driver support with something? I guess believable with the 580 since it was a rehash of 480.
Plus-Candidate-2940@reddit
Mate the 6750xt came out in 2022
xjanx@reddit
Yes, and you expected driver support to inly last 3 years from release? Also there were other rdna2 versions released until 2023 at least.
Plus-Candidate-2940@reddit
Umm yes I expect driver support to last more then 3 years. You just proved my point even more the gre came out in oct 23 with the same rdna 2.
xjanx@reddit
Yes, replied to wrong post ^^
Vb_33@reddit
AMD killed Vega support around the same time they launched new Vegas SoCs.
Vb_33@reddit
They always do this, they did the same thing with Vega. AMDs GPU support has always been short specially when compared to Nvidia. Get ready for RDNA3 to get dropped sooner than you'd hope as well.
BlueSiriusStar@reddit
Yup who knows maybe redstone is actually launching for UDNA while RDNA3/4 support is dropped to save their margins /s
At this point anything is possible.
Ozzimo@reddit
So I got a bonus at the right time and was able to secure a rx 6900xt.
At what point do I look at the support for the card and say that it's time to update? It's been a perfect card to this point. If it helps, I'm running Linux exclusively.
Tsuki4735@reddit
Linux AMD drivers are open source and maintained by the community, it regularly gets fixes from contributors, Valve, etc.
For some perspective, open source AMD drivers have Vulkan 1.3 support for AMD cards from 2013.
Your hardware will likely naturally die from old age before Linux drivers stop supporting the 6000 series.
Havanatha_banana@reddit
I mean, if we're talking about community supported drivers, AMD's community have a good track record. I remember the hd 7870 was deemed as the poor man's GTX 1050 during the pandemic scarcity.
But it really shouldn't be a community effort for AMD's arguably most important architecture.
Tsuki4735@reddit
AMD recently deprecated their own driver, and will be supporting the open source RADV drivers on Linux. So it's technically official now too
Seanspeed@reddit
You will likely never notice anything at all.
Games will continue to run just as they would. You just might miss out on certain Day 1 optimizations for the newest games that help boost performance a little bit(and often only in certain situations).
You will continue to get access to general driver support. Though I'm not super informed about Linux vs Windows necessarily. Just speaking generally.
randomkidlol@reddit
linux support for vga drivers lasts decades. i think the latest kernel still has code to support ati gpus from like 2005.
pi314156@reddit (OP)
The Vulkan drivers for Linux are developed independently with lots of the code written by outside parties instead of AMD. Wouldn't expect this to have an impact there.
Ozzimo@reddit
Ah, well that might be in my favor then. Not too excited to save up for a new card yet :D
cowoftheuniverse@reddit
As someone who has not cared about updating to day 1 drivers before buying a game for ever really...
How much of an issue is this nowadays? I haven't bought many new cutting edge games so anyone who buys a lot of them can chime in?
Seanspeed@reddit
These optimizations usually only boost performance by a small amount, and with 'it depends' sorts of conditions based on settings and whatnot.
It's really not a big deal, but pretty much nobody here is understanding the situation. They think AMD is cutting off general driver support, or that Nvidia has been doing anything different for the past 15+ years. lol
cowoftheuniverse@reddit
That has been my sense as well. For example just recently I updated my drivers for no other reason than it had been over a year. So from that I know my drivers are dated last fall and they dealt with two new games released moths later (stalker 2, poe 2) just fine.
Stalker 2 performance was perfectly in line with professional benchmarkers. It is heavy, but actually smooth compared to many complaining about stutters. In poe 2 I had no problems with the old drivers unlike some of my friends and a lot of the forum folks.
I'm assuming gaming optimizations mostly apply to multiple games with similar engines etc instead of just one game but I could be wrong on that.
That said I really hope they bring official fsr4 to rdna 2. Those cards are basically mostly for 1080 or 1440p and fsr 2/3 fails below 4k so they really could use it even if it isn't super well performing.
From-UoM@reddit
The RTX 20 series became fantastic purchases over time.
One of the greatest architectures ever made.
ShadowRomeo@reddit
RTX 20 series was so hated back then to the point Reddit even with obvious driver issues of 5700 XT that I get a lot of people who are gaslighting me by saying, "I never had issue with mine!" "Only few people are having issues!" similar to what you see under the comments of a unoptimized game today with "Mine runs well with no stutters!" they were looking past it and was still recommending the 5700 XT over the 2070 Super back then. I know because i was in the market of getting both of those GPUs back then but decided to wait for RTX 3070 instead.
And I am so glad if I didn't and listened to Reddit back then I would have gotten the 5700 XT because it was cheaper than the 2070 Super back then and offered nearly the same raster performance, DLSS wasn't part of the consideration yet for me because back then it was really shitty, I wasn't even aware of DX12 Ultimate which I thought was another Nvidia Gimmick.
Turned all those Gimmicks that Reddit and Tech Youtubers told me were real enough and is now important part of video game optimizations moving forward ever since 2023, as clearly shown by games like Alan Wake 2.
TheArtBellStalker@reddit
I did buy a 5700XT at the time. Worse GPU experience I've had. To have the AMD sub almost unanimously tell me it was my fault, I'm doing something wrong. Nothing wrong with the drivers...lol damn cult over there.
Different_Lab_813@reddit
That subreddit and bunch of others can't tell the difference between a GPU driver and adrenalin software, a driver panel. Add on top techtubers acting like Crypto bros in pushing AMD and dismissing any issues.
__Rosso__@reddit
I have 6750XT, when I complained about new drivers (twice in span of 3 months) causing BSOD when alt tabbing, I was called mad.
Guess what, AMD admitted to it being an issue and redditors still instead I was the mad one
Aristotelaras@reddit
Same problem here on 6700 xt. How often does it happen to you? In mine it happened like 5 times? in the last month. I think it's related to the latest driver.
__Rosso__@reddit
I had the issue with may and march drivers
ThatOnePerson@reddit
I swapped my spare 1080Ti for a friend's 5700XT because of the issues.
I used it myself on Linux, which had no issues, but I don't exactly go around telling my friends to install Linux to fix all their problems (just most of them)
Merdiso@reddit
To be fair, they were mostly right with the 'RT' part, the DLSS on the other hand was and still is indeed a game changer.
I also hate when people said '5700 XT was better than 2070S'. No, it just wasn't!
TopCheddar27@reddit
You can partially thank YouTube channels who absolutely did not want to yield that the forward looking features were actually good.
Honestly, it has been a black mark on a lot of GPU reviews for over half a decade.
jenny_905@reddit
It is remarkable how wrong Reddit and YouTubers seem to get things.
From-UoM@reddit
Your 3070 will get day 1 driver support. Probably for the next 3/4 years.
Rdna2 cards like the 6700xt won't.
ShadowRomeo@reddit
Oh, I don't have a 3070 anymore, I sold it back on late 2021 and got myself a 4070 Ti at early 2022 for nearly the same price as what I sold my 3070 back then.
But yeah, If i still have that card today, the only thing I probably would regret from it is the limited 8GB Vram capacity it had, but that is easily solvable by turning down texture settings and using DLSS.
Lack of DLSS Ultimate API support? as well as proper upscaler nowadays such as DLSS and now apparently driver optimization support? That is a lot harder to get by and optimize / tinker for to get respectable image quality and performance overall.
Seanspeed@reddit
Nvidia hasn't been optimizing drivers in the latest games for Turing for a long while now.
constantlymat@reddit
So Turing getting DLSS4 just didn't happen?
constantlymat@reddit
Man, Hardware Unboxed despised the RTX 2000 series. Now Steve pretends it was only the 6GB 2060 model he didn't like.
At least HUB is reporting fairly on this issue though. So at least he's fair in that regard.
imtheproof@reddit
If 30 series COVID and crypto price explosion never happened, the 20 series would've continued looking like a joke for the price.
2080 Ti was ridiculously priced, only saving grace was the VRAM. For most people, the 3070 was way better.
2080 got bulldozed by the 3060 Ti.
2070 and 2060 got bulldozed by the 3060.
The 20 series feature set was nice and became better over time, but the performance was severely lacking for the price.
randomkidlol@reddit
i think it was the 2080 that performed about the same as a 1080ti but costed more than used or sales pricing of a 1080ti. pascal had huge oversupply issues and they didnt really clear out all those gpus till the 2nd crypto boom after the 30 series launched.
Wander715@reddit
Yeah it's pretty crazy if you compare RTX 20 to RDNA1 seeing how much better Nvidia's architecture aged. It set the stage for where graphics tech would be heading in the next decade and AMD has been playing catchup the entire time.
MrAldersonElliot@reddit
I bought RX 6700 this year March... Was about same price as 8 Gb 7600...
friendlyreminder_@reddit
As I noted they're moving the driver to the legacy branch. This has been confirmed by AMD.
If they do the same thing they did with all past legacy releases, which there's no reason to think not since they used the exact same language and response as last time with, then simply put all driver development is over.
The messaging is extremely clear. When they say the exact same thing as last time and use all identical terminology there's no reason to believe it's something completely different.
This is entirely different from Nvidia. Nvidia continued to extensively support Maxwell and Pascal the entire time. All Nvidia cards got Vulkan 1.4 on day 1 of it's release, and they continued adding more and more extensions this entire year for all of their cards.
Dark_ShadowMD@reddit
Bye Bye AMD, never buying from you again. This is pure scam.
fuddlappe@reddit
chill, lmao. overreacting drama queen
Dark_ShadowMD@reddit
Dude... NVidia lasta with driver support much longer. Where the drama in that? Besides stating the next purchase because of lack of support is not making drama.
Cash grabbers get what they want.
fuddlappe@reddit
Games will still work on your machine. Fucking hell. They're not doing an Apple move
Dark_ShadowMD@reddit
What about encoding support and enhancements for it? Bug fixes? It's not only about games...
Prince_Uncharming@reddit
This is specifically for day one drivers. Chill out and learn how to read the article.
Dark_ShadowMD@reddit
Does it make a difference? Didn't I pay for support? I'm second class citizen? This is why companies treat is like dirt: we accept sub-par customer service.
Prince_Uncharming@reddit
Actually, no, you didn’t. You paid for a product with the assumption of support, which has been marginally reduced.
Without an announcement you wouldn’t even have noticed, game-ready drivers are a nothing burger.
Dark_ShadowMD@reddit
With this mindset, we deserve sub-par support if none at all then. Amazing. This world is fucked.
Prince_Uncharming@reddit
Sure, and with that logic and AMD’s track record we should have all known not to buy RDNA in the first place.
Vote with your wallet, don’t buy AMD again.
Dark_ShadowMD@reddit
Exactly my point. Never buying AMD again.
Seanspeed@reddit
Welcome to Nvidia, where this has been standard practice since forever. lol
fuddlappe@reddit
He will now learn what it means to live in a duopoly lmao.
__Rosso__@reddit
Keep choking on that red dick, just remembered they see you as a cheap whore
Seanspeed@reddit
You are STILL getting general driver support.
Y'all dont understand that going through every new major game and trying to tweak and optimize complicated driver code just to eek out some small percentage of extra performance is a ton of work. And now multiply that effort for basically every generation of GPU architecture that you want to do this for.
This is why it's been standard practice from Nvidia forever to ALSO only focus their Day 1 game optimizations on their latest two generations.
-protonsandneutrons-@reddit
Yes, you did. It's an absolutely shitty decision to do it this soon.
As a reminder, just 3.5 years ago, AMD launched new RDNA2 GPUs: AMD Launches Radeon RX 6950 XT, RX 6750 XT, and RX 6650 XT, New Game Bundle | TechPowerUp
One of them cost $1000 and in 3.5 years, it's fucked for new game updates.
Seanspeed@reddit
Read the article man. Bug fixes and general driver support are continuing.
This is purely about Day 1 game optimizations. Which usually dont do a ton anyways.
__Rosso__@reddit
Tbh those never existed, I can't think of a single issue I had that was fixed on my 6750XT that was down to drivers
nanonan@reddit
Yes and yes. They really should rename it to "standard support" or something.
Seanspeed@reddit
This isn't about general driver support. That's going to continue.
This is about Day 1 game optimizations. And Nvidia's practice is literally the EXACT same as what AMD are doing here.
This comment section is insane. Only like three people seem to have actually understood the situation properly.
cyborgedbacon@reddit
They aren't really overreacting, especially when this article just came out.
nisaaru@reddit
This isn't about not fixing driver bugs but not adding optimisation for suboptimal game code. Something which should be the job of the game producers anyway.
cyborgedbacon@reddit
Didn't mention anything about driver bugs, this is about these cards not receiving future game support.
The_Countess@reddit
No, it's about them not being included in day 1 game specific driver releases.
Which aren't needed in 99% of cases anyway, and only bring marginal performance increases.
It's a storm in a teacup.
Seanspeed@reddit
This comment section has gone insane misunderstanding this situation.
It's wild. You're like one of three other people who seems to understand this.
Nvidia doesn't support these Day 1 optimizations for older architectures, either. It's the exact same practice from them since forever and yet so many comments are like "This is why I buy Nvidia!". lol Utter depressing hilarity.
Seanspeed@reddit
It has nothing to do with 'suboptimal game code', oh my god. lol
Developers have NO ACCESS to the driver code from AMD and Nvidia. And for big releases, Nvidia and AMD will often put in a little extra effort on their end to help tweak things here and there for a little extra performance(and often only in specific situations regarding settings or areas of a game). It usually doesn't amount to all that much. And it definitely isn't about trying to correct bad developer code, which drivers cannot do.
-protonsandneutrons-@reddit
Yup. AMD literally launched more RDNA2 cards three years ago in May 2022. Not announced RDNA3, not ended production, but LAUNCHED new cards.
AMD Launches Radeon RX 6950 XT, RX 6750 XT, and RX 6650 XT, New Game Bundle | TechPowerUp - MAY 2022
If you bought them at lunch, it means in 3.5 years, these GPUs are now completely out of updates.
Fuck that lmao.
cyborgedbacon@reddit
Exactly! I forgot about the "50" variations, thank you for pointing those out. Its incredibly frustrating, I especially feel for anyone that bought one within the last 1 to 2 years. I think we can all agree that it's a shitty move on AMDs part. If I recall correctly, isn't the 6000 series still showing a fairly high usage on Steams Hardware Survey?
Hayden247@reddit
Yes, RX 6000 is still the most popular Radeon generation of dGPUs if you look at the survey. Pretty easy to see if you go in dx stats and sort GPU by name as it'll neatly line them up by generation and tiers. RX 5000 is really only existant with the 5700 XT, RDNA2 has a good lot on the 6600 which is the most popular Radeon GPU outright, 6600/50 XT, 6700/50 XT and even some on the 6800 XT and 6900/50 XT.
RX 7000 really only did well with the 7900 XTX and 7800 XT, somewhat with the 7700 XT too. Don't even talk about RX 9000 with the 9070 being alone at 0.10% and the 9070 GRE at 0.02%, none others show up
heartbroken_nerd@reddit
Try October, 2023.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-6750-gre-12-gb.c4183
Henrarzz@reddit
Try two weeks ago. Base ROG Xbox Ally has RDNA2 based GPU.
-protonsandneutrons-@reddit
Oh unbelievable. I forgot about this card completely. A good find.
Absolutely insane. 2 years is nothing for a $300+ GPU.
__Rosso__@reddit
Not really, AMD drivers are the biggest pile of dog shit I ever had to deal with
Kermez@reddit
Yep, artificial obsolete at its finest.
The_Countess@reddit
Except both AMD and nvidia have been silently doing this exact same thing since they started making GPU's.
Kermez@reddit
Care to share example? As that is not true?
StickiStickman@reddit
The RTX 2000 series is still getting updates even though it came out a lot earlier, even the 1000 was until very recently.
What's this "both sides" bullshit when it's clearly wrong?
Xillendo@reddit
If you know how to read, RDNA1 & 2 are still supported and will get future drivers.
Nvidia has really gaslighted people into believing that they need bi-weekly "game-ready-drivers".
You don't. The majority of the time they make no differences, usually they fix some bugs, and have been validated on the latest hyped AAA game release.
The included performance optimizations are often very insignificant, if they exist at all.
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
They have the same driver status as gtx 750ti. Whichh will also get some updates every now and then. Calling this gaslighting is hilarious to read
Dark_ShadowMD@reddit
I've had very bad experiences before with driver support from AMD in this regard. 2 years later after I bought a laptop they switched to legacy support... That just sucks mate.
I will believe what you say tho... Would hurt really bad to have a card that is unsupported as soon as I bought it...
No-Antelope7115@reddit
Yeah, as someone who bought a 3090 back in late 2020 and I am still happily using it, it is insane to think that the AMD equivalent from back then (6900XT) is moving to legacy driver support.
Dark_ShadowMD@reddit
I remember something about GTX 1000 series GPUs only stopping having support last year, if it wasn't this... I mean, supposedly that's 10 fucking years of support... TEN. FUCKING. YEARS.
AMD? Nah, fuck you, 4 years later, you are on a secondary branch, if you are lucky, next year you are moved into legacy support, with only one driver, and fuck you.
It's the third time I went through this. I've been loyal for almost 20 years to this brand, and being fucked over systematically. I feel jealous when I turn to the other side and see they have better support than me.
nVidia is more expensive? Yes, but you pay for REAL driver support, unlike AMD and this scam they call driver support for 4 miserable years. Same for Intel.
I don't know if there will be more brands in the future, especially since the chinese want to compete with their own stuff, but one thing is guaranteed, if they move my fucking RX 6600 XT into legacy within this year or the next (or even in 2027) I'm not buying AMD again, and I'm not recommending it to anyone ever again. Scammers should suffer the consequences of their actions.
dampflokfreund@reddit
RDNA1 I understand, horribly outdated architecture. But RDNA2? It is the same architecture used in the consoles...
Seanspeed@reddit
Consoles are a whole different thing. They have their own platform-specific low level API's. AMD is not building 'Day 1 game optimization' drivers for consoles. lol
dampflokfreund@reddit
Consoles are not magic these days. Not all but you can carry a lot of optimizations over between the platforms.
frsguy@reddit
I can only guess is that RDNA 1/2 lacks AI accelerators and in a bid to catch up to nvidia in terms of software tech they are focusing on the 7000/9000 series.
FitCress7497@reddit
That has nothing to do with not providing game ready driver
frsguy@reddit
It does if they just want to focus on RDNA 3/4 thus they dont really have to test RDNA 1/2.
Seanspeed@reddit
This isn't about 'testing' anything. It's about going the little extra mile to add some extra driver tweaks and optimizations for very specific games.
Games will still run on older GPU's like normal.
Plus-Candidate-2940@reddit
Well they should be testing rdna 2 Gpus they literally released in 2022 and already dropped day one support?
beck320@reddit
They are hurting the good will they gained from the 9070xt launch. Burning RDNA 1 and 2 owners like this is going to motivate them to buy team green when they upgrade. Speaking as someone who has a 5700xt since 2019
joe1134206@reddit
Meanwhile I've been straight up frustrated at their BS "MSRP" lies and horrible prices for most of this year.
beck320@reddit
Yeah that’s true but I feel like that happens often after launch and now you can find them at msrp at least I can at my local micro center
CarnivoreQA@reddit
Damn, so older card users have already forgotten about fsr4 they didn't get?
beck320@reddit
That is also true! I don’t think about it since my card is so old. Add that to the list
upbeatchief@reddit
Isn't ps5 rdna1 and series x rdna 2? Why drop the gpus that are based on these archs when consoles chips are your highest volume sales.
JelloSquirrel@reddit
Both are rdna2.
And console games are always optimized for the hardware so this doesn't impact them. And Steamdeck is Linux which is probably exempt from this. But the z2a chip in the low end Xbox ally x is rdna2 which is a brand new product, so they're still selling rdna2.
Henrarzz@reddit
PS5 is RDNA1.5, it’s not full RDNA2. It lacks things like VRS support
Seanspeed@reddit
Call it what you want, their point is still the same. It's not relevant. And you certainly dont need special optimization help from AMD/Nvidia to enable something like VRS.
Henrarzz@reddit
You don’t. That still doesn’t change the fact that PS5 is NOT RDNA2.
From-UoM@reddit
Consoles have their own driver and software stack. So they are not effected.
What should be worrying is the steamdeck and the rdna2 based APUs
ThatOnePerson@reddit
Steam Deck, on Linux at least, is also a completely different driver stack. Maintained by Vavle I believe.
deadboy114@reddit
The SteamDeck uses the open source Mesa driver. Linux will still get driver updats because it is independent from AMD. In fact GPUs all the way back to the Terradcale still get driver updates. And Polaris, Vega and RDNA even have software RT support.
It's amazing what can be done when profits are no longer prioritised above all else.....
Seanspeed@reddit
This isn't about profits. This is about prioritizations. They can do better work for Day 1 optimizations for the latest games if they limit how many generations of GPU's they are trying to specifically tweak driver code for.
It's exactly why this has been standard practice from Nvidia since forever.
Also, since basically none of y'all are getting this - there will still be new drivers and general driver support like always.
rilgebat@reddit
At this rate, 25.11.1 will drop support for RDNA4. Get it together AMD, you don't have the cashflow excuse any more.
Seanspeed@reddit
Y'all are (basically all, universally) confusing 'driver support' altogether with *specific* Day 1 game optimizations. You'll still have 'driver support' in as far as having access to the latest drivers and other things that might be in them.
rilgebat@reddit
Distinction without a difference.
JonWood007@reddit
So...does this mean we won't be getting drivers at all (like they did with the HD 5000 series in 2015) or that we'll get drivers, games just won't be optimized for those gpus?
Seanspeed@reddit
This is purely about Day 1 game optimizations.
It's basically all there in the article.
Sopel97@reddit
this sub is flooded with idiots who can't even read
Camera-and-Caipi@reddit
Bought my 6800 like two years ago. I do not like that but I will definitely deny to upgrade in a two years cycle. I will move abroad in a couple of months and cannot take my battlestation with me but even if I would not move these cards a fucking expensive nowadays. There is no way that I change my GPU every two years.
Seanspeed@reddit
Folks holy shit. You are not losing access to the newest drivers. You will still have that for years to come.
It's only the (usually fairly small) boosts for Day 1 game specific optimizations that will be limited to newer architectures.
Shrtaxc@reddit
I guess I should be thankful having DLSS4 on my 2080Ti.
Klorel@reddit
i am not too worried. i regularaly used old radeon cards, usually all games still work just fine
still not the best move, rdna 2 is stilli integrated in plenty of products. but i did not read the article, maybe they at least take care of this
milyuno2@reddit
Where is the down vite fest?
ManuSavior85@reddit
Muy first graphic card as a teenager was an ATI Radeon 9600 pro, when I buy graphic cards i dont even look at Nvidia. This shitty move is making me question my loyalty to the brand. They launch a fucking great card in the form of the 9070XT and now they do shit like that. Congrats to Nvidia you dont have competition anymore
angry_RL_player@reddit
It's not their fault that they want to focus since they're finally at a position to surpass Nvidia in some regards. AMD has served Fine Wine for years, give them a pass here guys.
RandomTrollface@reddit
Surpass Nvidia in what?
PeksyTiger@reddit
Consumer extortion i guess?
Salty_Tonight8521@reddit
How are they fine wine when their older gen cards didn't get any new cool features like Nvidia and they just fell behind when things like RT and HDR became bigger for the gaming scene? A 2080 can still use the RTX hdr and use the latest dlss versions while RDNA 1 is just dying.
One-Butterscotch4332@reddit
Hire some software and embedded devs I swear to god. I may be extra pissed because Vitis AI (Xilinx) is a hot mess that feels like it was put together by 5 people.
LuluButterFive@reddit
But amd is our friend
nezeta@reddit
Even though RX 6600 is one of the very few RDNA cards that make the Steam survey list...?
Asgard033@reddit
AMD sure loves burning consumer goodwill. I wonder if they think the time and money saved from doing this is worth the hit to their driver support reputation
ahoypolloi69@reddit
But what about "fine wine?"
DraftIndividual778@reddit
What's crazy to me, some people are defending this
ClerkProfessional803@reddit
This has to be a joke. Imagine the 3080 not getting day 1 support. Also I'm pretty sure RDNA2 is the best selling AMD generation ever.
Plus-Candidate-2940@reddit
Yep 6950xt was a 1100 card and released less then 3 years ago dropping day 1 support already is crazy
randomkidlol@reddit
linux drivers are fine. they dont get day1 game optimizations but mainstream kernel support should last for at least another 2 decades.
BigDaddyTrumpy@reddit
Imagine buying an AMD GPU in 2025.
Whirblewind@reddit
Much easier than trying to imagine being an Nvidia customer in 2025. I'm not sure how you sleep at night knowing what your dollars go towards. Objectively more anti-consumer.
IAteMyYeezys@reddit
A buddy of mine owns a tech shop and the distributors he works with still have new old stock of 6800XTs and 6600XTs. Granted, the market is slower here but still.
Im kinda bummed because i run one of those 6800XTs. Brand new red devil card bought for 350 euros a year ago.
gomurifle@reddit
Weaker software and support is why I am not going back to AMD for now. With NVidia you just get more valued added. My last AMD card was in fact an Ati HD 5850 in 2010. I haven't got that exctiement for a Radeon card ever since.
HatefulAbandon@reddit
Resale value is really bad too for AMD GPUs.
Salty_Tonight8521@reddit
Wine was so fine that they decided to just take it away
Healfirst@reddit
Here am I currently just diciding between 9070XT and 5070Ti for my upgrade. I really don't like the 12VHPWR.
Salty_Tonight8521@reddit
It's not really an issue with 5070ti tbh. Just be sure it's fully in and forget about it.
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