ULPT: my old employer is falsely claiming that my gf slept with patients (she's a registered massage therapist), submitted a complaint to her college and is spreading rumours in the community
Posted by Efferdent_FTW@reddit | UnethicalLifeProTips | View on Reddit | 43 comments
We used to work at the same clinic. This clinic owner is a real POS. Hires new graduates, locks them into non compete clauses and threatens legal action when they inevitably leave but want to stay in the area. He's gone through at least 20 practitioners in the last 8 years. How do I destroy him and his clinic? We live in a rural small community.
ilovepeonies1994@reddit
Remindme! 30 days
Good_Community_6975@reddit
I signed one non-compete many years ago. I signed what looked like my sloppy signature but it actually signed l Don't Agree. HR accepted it and that was the end of it never came up again. I always wondered what would have occurred if they attempted to enforce it.
Homelessavacadotoast@reddit
You’d probably have been fucked. Signatures aren’t really about the words so much as the act. You can draw a dinosaur for all you want.
You read the contract, acknowledged you read it, and then continued to act upon your side of the agreement you acknowledged you read.
If you had edited the document, crossed out and added a word here and there as acknowledged by your initials, and HR accepted the amended contract without notes, that’s a different story.
Dick_Lazer@reddit
This is actually a fun idea. I've always just used a scribble as my signature but might have to start drawing dinosaurs from now on.
Dasrule@reddit
I draw a smiling dog on my cc receipts.
WickedPsychoWizard@reddit
So t Rex or bronto?
Bob_A_Feets@reddit
It’s also why you can sign things by clicking a button on a phone.
It’s not the mark, it’s “making” your mark.
(Also why the pesky notary “witness” thing…)
grae23@reddit
It’s actually a great way to prevent fraud. If you always sign something with “Donald Duck” or “Spaghetti” it looks very suspicious when all of a sudden an unknown charge signs using the name on the card.
motionmatrix@reddit
Nothing most likely; search around to see how may people have actually gotten screwed by non-competes that were actually enforced, not just that someone caved in when threatened without involving actual law. Very few, because they’re practically unenforceable.
Inspiringhope11@reddit
Any signature at all, even one saying you don't agree, counts as your signature.
Desperate_Set_7708@reddit
He needs dating profiles on every app possible. Good photo to make sure people can see it’s him. Get inventive with the profile and his preferred kinks.
LuementalQueen@reddit
Can do massage with a happy ending.
VixenTraffic@reddit
If he has done this to 20 people, class action suit.
MermaidSapphire@reddit
This is a legal matter. You can go there And diarrea shit the bathroom tgough.
SneeKeeFahk@reddit
I don't what to be that guy but .... She probably wouldn't tell you if she was. I'm not saying she was but if she was she wouldn't tell you.
Appropriate-Web2556@reddit
👆🏽this…. Glad somebody said it
L-W-J@reddit
I am a fan of low level terrorism.
Is there a lawn? Poison in with a message or hateful symbol.
Window? Toss a baseball sized rock through. Daily.
Wall? Paint your favorite slogan!
Google review? Have a review party with your friends! Tequila shots to the most creative!
Call ICE and report a bunch of immigrants!
Make friends with the next door neighbor and install a "billboard" with your favorite message. Add an arrow to the asswipe so people know who the billboard is referring to.
Empty lot next door? Rent it. Have a "Fecal Art Show" there. Or buy a keg and let a local motorcycle club or Fraternity use it / drink there.
Make a donation to the political folks everyone in your community hates. In their name.
Print and hang flyers that invite the public to a swingers party at the clinic on Halloween.
You can do this.
magseven@reddit
If he is slandering her, sue him. Get proof of him doing it though, otherwise you might be on the hook for slander as well. If he's as bad as you say he is, you shouldn't have enough trouble rounding up ex-employees he's done this to. But make fucking sure your girlfriend isn't actually "going above and beyond" and he's just not a regular asshole boss on top of it. Also make sure the contracts are actually legally valid. If he made some shit up, printed it out, never got a lawyer involved and thinks that's all you need to do, he might be vulnerable there. Get a copy of that contract somehow and have a lawyer take a peek at it.
Dustquake@reddit
She can open her own business. Then when boss comes screaming saying it violates the noncompete. Y'all can say it doesn't because according to him, she offers services he doesn't. I.e. she sleeps with her patients. He can enforce the noncompete if he admits she didn't sleep with patients.
gunsforevery1@reddit
Spread a rumor that you slept with him.
whtbrd@reddit
OK, this advice has a pattern of escalation that should be followed. You WANT him to run his mouth before he realizes it's a trap.
You need a massage place in a town over to call him for a job reference. The call needs to be recorded or if not a single party consent stare, for it to be on speakerphone with others in the room. When he lays it all out, whatever it is he says, that's concrete documentation of what he's doing. It's no longer rumors.
Get him to spill as much info as possible, including first names or descriptions of clients. You want him to gossip with whoever is running that call. Describing just how scandalous and abhorrent the behavior was.
Get the local busybody and/or small town journalist to connect with him saying they've heard rumors. You want him spilling names... supposedly to provide validity to his claims... but actually to violate HIPAA.
What are his vices? Who are his friends? Does he get drunk and get chatty? Take advantage of that to get him to run his mouth.
get him to name the patients in question, at least 1 of them, who support these allegations. Then File a HIPAA complaint. This guy is discussing things that happened with his patients. He shouldn't even be naming his patients. Naming his patient is a HIPAA violation. Describing the circumstances of a patient in a small enough community that would make that patient identifiable is a HIPAA violation. You don't have to know if the things this guy is saying are true, or if it's actually a HIPAA violation... you just have a reasonable suspicion... especially since you just provided him with all sorts of opportunities to indulge in HIPAA violations. Possibly on
Then, contact your g/f's college and all the other colleges nearby. You want in-person meetings with the Chair of the department, and/or alumni resources or the department thay helps graduates get jobs. They will be able to warn other local graduates away from working at that place. And they will need her side of the story (and yours describing the history of this guy doing this) if there's any chance they might act to revoke her degree or certs. You want to get ahead of any potential negative impact there.
It's also possible that her college may be able to provide reduced cost legal assistance regarding a review of the non-compete.
Then, what licensing board is this guy operating under? I assume his entire practice and possibly himself individually have to be licensed? Make sure that licensing board is aware of these claims. It's possible that if he didn't file with the board, disclosing the potential incident so it could be properly investigated, and 'actually has reason to believe that it's true', that he could be in violation of things and his licensing could get fucked up. He may have a duty to report, or be a mandated reporter for these patients who may have delicate circumstances. If he hasn't actually reported correctly, he could be in trouble.
Also document all the other known situations he has done this in. What is the history of him 'knowing that his employees tend to sleep with their clients,' (you have to assume in this line of questioning that he's being honest. I think it'll get your further.) and what measures has he put in place (or failed to put in place) to protect his employees and his business's clientele?
Now you file a complaint with the city council. You want the shameful history of this guy's business out in the open. He's basically running a brothel with how many of his employees have done the same thing over and over. You want him shut down pending the completion of the ongoing investigations by these different agencies.
File a complaint with adult protective services. Bring to their attention that this guy has a business with a history of his employees sleeping with their clientele. That you know some/many of them are elderly or have other mental capacity issues (if true), and this may be part of elder abuse or abuse of other protected people.
The results of all these things can both put him in a world of hurt AND provide the documentation you need to successfully sue him.
All these things in place, you now sue him personally and his business for libel and slander. Your lawyer can walk you through getting discovery done for the reports he filed at the college and whatnot. But most of the documentation of him for sure sabotaging her and others has already happened as you led him into HIPAA violations. And as he describes how he has not failed to report, his clients have not been abused, and his business is perfectly legitimate and this really isn't a problem, he hopefully will then contradict himself about his previous statements and prove himself to be spreading falsehoods.
You want him to first jump fully on board with the falsehood, and then jump fully off and deny it.
This is when you connect with your labor board in your state regarding the reference he gave to the potential employer. And this is when you provide the documentation of his allegations and retractions and statements regarding his ex employees to his licensing board(s). Any of them. For any businesses that he owns or runs. There are usually standards of professionalism individuals are expected to maintain.
You want liens on his assets ahead of the major financial impact of legal fees and potential bankruptcy. So get those filed along with motions to freeze any asset transfers ahead of judgements.
If you can get other ex employees to join in the lawsuit, that could be very helpful.
thewharfartscenter_@reddit
Non compete clauses are not enforceable. Don’t worry, he will wear through everyone in town and leave, that’s what his type does.
PennyG@reddit
It depends what state you are in.
Cuneus-Maximus@reddit
Generally, the broader / more non-specific the non compete is the more unenforceable it is in basically every state that hasn't outright banned them, except Florida. Fuck Florida.
IAmYourFath@reddit
I just ystd read how the ceo and founder of tesla was outed when musk took over and he was given a 2 year non compete during which he was broke as he chose to keep his share which were very low value pre IPO.
PennyG@reddit
Great. I don’t think we are dealing with the CEO of Tesla here.
IAmYourFath@reddit
The point is clearly non competes work cuz u argued they dont.
PennyG@reddit
That is not how any of this works. It totally depends on the state. Many, if not most states have outright banned them. Some states have, e.g., a requirement for ongoing compensation. It just really depends.
IAmYourFath@reddit
So ure saying the ban was just recent?
PennyG@reddit
Many states have completely banned them.
Cuneus-Maximus@reddit
yeah, I said that...
4173746f6c666f@reddit
life is short, fuck corporate greed.
Cuneus-Maximus@reddit
Unless she actually did this they are committing libel and/or slander which is hurting her livelihood. Defamation lawsuit.
PennyG@reddit
Do not do this. It is: a) ethical; and b) probably not probable. Get a lawyer or a piss disc.
Cuneus-Maximus@reddit
Ethical tips are allowed so long as they provide more benefit than unethical tips. Pretty easy to prove if they put it in writing anywhere, or if OP can get witnesses then previously worked with (sounds likely if the owner is a POS why wouldn't anyone jump at the chance to help take them down)
PennyG@reddit
Yeah, lawyer here. Defamation lawsuits are very tough to win. Threatening them is something lay people do all the time. Seriously, go see a lawyer.
Cuneus-Maximus@reddit
Sure they are, doesn't mean it's not worth trying. Why would I go see a lawyer? I'm not OP. They should gather what evidence they can and definitely consult one.
PennyG@reddit
No lawyer is going to take a defamation case in contingency. It will likely cost OP a bunch of money.
PennyG@reddit
I’m talking to OP. Do something unethical or whatever. But this person needs real legal advice. The non compete is probably unenforceable, and this company is probably violating other things such as the FLSA
HoustonBOFH@reddit
And get other former employees to back it up.
Chimayman1@reddit
I think I've gotten too old for this sub. We used to just throw an old fashioned sleeping bag pinata party.
Late-Mathematician55@reddit
Lawyer-up
4173746f6c666f@reddit
Make up fake pedo allegations. I heard those are used all over roblox. Start by mailing him a cease and decist letter to leave kids alone.