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InsideWay70@reddit

If you drag the image lengthwise you get the X32….another failed sailer enhaler.

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AmazingSugar1@reddit

According to wikipedia, "Production is forecast for 300 planes over 15 years."

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svengooli@reddit

They don’t even have enough chips to complete SU-57 production (due to sanctions)

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daniilkuznetcov@reddit

Oh, looks like you are well informed. How many chips needed for one su-57? Are 100 washing machines enought?

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They'll produce a dozen if they're lucky, only around 20 full production su-57s have been built since the prototype flew in 2010, and it's already full of outdated technology and isn't even true stealth in the first place.

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PsychologicalGlass47@reddit

There have been 40 produced in the last 3 years, fym "20 full production su-57s have been built since the prototype flew in 2010"!

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2ndHandRocketScience@reddit

If you rightfully shit talk the Su-57 anywhere other than this subreddit then you get spammed by Russian propaganda bots pulling facts out of their arses. Carefully neglecting the fact it takes engines from a 1970s 4th gen and is riveted together. The "stealth" fighter. Hilarious.

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LeafOnWind@reddit

Those bots are no joke, someone put a gif of some asian pop princess for some reason on a post about Chinese military (bear with me) and I said something negative about the gif itself being lame- or who knows what.

67 downvotes and 5 or 6 one dimensional "oh you think you're so big" comments---- under 10 mins...

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Plutoid@reddit

Nice try, anti-Chinese propaganda bot propaganda bot.

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LeafOnWind@reddit

(🥸)

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Plutoid@reddit

Nothing is real anymore. I mean, I am…

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Hermitcraft7@reddit

It isn't riveted together. That's on the prototypes. I've actually seen someone post a picture of an F-22 with rivets on the nose panel and try to sell it as a picture of an Su-57. Mind you, that F-22 was production - although used as a stunt group aircraft. See? The "wood screw" BS always has a caveat. The production F-22 stunt aircraft had rust and screws visible because it's not meant to go into combat in the same way the Su-57 prototypes aren't meant to go into combat. And it's not like the screws were poking out half an inch either.

Guess what? Screws matter anyway, because if the radar wave is smaller than the object, the object (the rivet) will reflect next to nothing.

Saying anything conclusive about Su-57 "screws" is complete gobbledygook since we've never actually seen a PRODUCTION Su-57s skin close enough - they are always prototypes in display.

Now onto RCS.

Guess what? If you actually read the patent, you'd know that the RCS (which is also a terrible measurement, more on that later) is nearly identical to the F-22. That's because the patent (which is 6 years old, mind you, and numerous improvements have been made!) measures AVERAGE RCS. The F-22's alleged RCS is 0.001 or so, but that is the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM. That's because RCS is not one number, a tenth of a degree direction change can wildly alter the detectability of an object. Essentially, this is like comparing the grade of the best student in the class to the average grade of the class. Comparing the two figures to each other is a fallacy I tend to hear over and over from the F-22 bandwagon groups.

Yes, external hard points. Care to explain what this is? Or is it not a stealth fighter either?

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Stunt_Merchant@reddit

Don't you mean if the RADAR wave is LARGER than the object? Genuinely curious: I use RADAR in my day to day life and would like to stand corrected.

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Hermitcraft7@reddit

Yes, thank you! Corrected.

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Hermitcraft7@reddit

Also, what are these? Is the F-35 not a stealth fighter either? This is the most shallow argument by far.

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AK1772@reddit

these are not rivets. if you even bothered to look at the image closely you would have realized that they are decals on the fuselage.

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Hermitcraft7@reddit

...I was talking about external hard points.

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Accomplished_Neck457@reddit

External weapons

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WillyWarpath@reddit

If the american circlejerkers could read they would be very upset

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DefinitelyNotAMeanie@reddit

External hardpoints. On a stealth fighter.

You are aware that every currently operated stealth fighter, from the F-22, to F-35, Su-57 to J-20 has external hard points.

Although the Su-57 is arguably the only one where they're overkill because unlike all the others it can carry VLRAAMs and ALCMs internally due to the R-37M and Kh-69 being available, while others need external stores to do that and the US jets simply lack VLRAAM at all.

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DirkMcDougal@reddit

The hardpoints on the Raptor are used almost exclusively for ferry tanks so it can self deploy. They're likely to be used soon to add low observable IR sensors. Rarely do you see F-22's with external weapon stores.

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9999AWC@reddit

So what's your point? The same applies to the others...

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DefinitelyNotAMeanie@reddit

Essentially the same thing all the others do as well, just that they also have the option to carry more capable munitions externally, like the F-35 with LRASM or the J-20 with the PL-17. Or utilize the full extent of their external stores in environments that allow to operate without relying entirely on stealth.

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9999AWC@reddit

it takes engines from a 1970s 4th

Uh, no it's not... The AL-41F has little commonality to the AL-31. Saying they're 1970s engines is like saying the F-35's engine is from 1983 just because the F135 is based on the F119.

is riveted together

No matter how often it is told that it was a picture of T-50-4 (which isn't RAM coated because it was the aerodynamic testbed and demonstrator), you just keep spreading that misinformation. The production Su-57 doesn't have exposed rivets and is fully RAM treated.

pulling facts out of their arses

I mean, that's basically what you're doing. Just because people disagree with you doesn't automatically make them "Russian propaganda bots". Very childish mentality.

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DefinitelyNotAMeanie@reddit

There are over 34 Su-57S delivered, and 10 prototypes. The annual production is around 10-12 units a year since two years.

isn't even true stealth in the first place.

I too like to parrot baseless rumors I've picked up through videos produced by YouTube content farms rather than digging online myself.

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Linkz98@reddit

It is sorta stealth but it's RCS more like the F15SE then a F35

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DefinitelyNotAMeanie@reddit

"It's sorta stealth" this is such a redditor thing to say, lol.

The PAK FA program had specific goals set that the aircraft had to achieve. One of these goals was low observability, something that has been achieved through the use of certain geometric features of the airframe itself (i.e. what's clearly visible to the naked eye), materials and coatings. Some materials absorb, others scatter, you want certain materials used in certain structures to control how waves are scattered and minimize reflection. That's why the canopy has an ITO coating, or why the intakes are of a different material than the stabilizers, or why there are complex geometric structures in the intakes to reduce the likelihood of returns making their way back to be picked up by whatever send them.

The Silent Eagle, which was sich a bad concept that it never took off, has none of that and was overall just a terrible pitch which found no customers. It did very little to improve upon the F-15 and it would have been nonsensical to even do that in the first place. To significantly reduce the massive returns the F-15 gives off with regards to radar and infrared, you'd have to design an entirely new aircraft. Which is basically the idea that resulted in the ATF program which became the F-22.

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Hermitcraft7@reddit

I find it hilarious that the people who present logical arguments get downvoted, yet nobody seems to be able to disprove any of them... Weird!

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DefinitelyNotAMeanie@reddit

Because this sub is an utter cesspool where people are not actually interested in facts and just want to make "le funny" reddit comments about "le funny plane". Also why I don't comment as often and won't change that anytime soon.

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crusadertank@reddit

This has been disproven time and time again. It was a number from the T-50 prototype and missing many of the stealth features of the Su-57, and with no mention of radar band or angle, whether it is average or maximum etc. Ie it was a meaningless number

Based on the geometry, the Su-57 has worse stealth than the F-35, but is still far better than any non-stealth plane. Nothing more can really be said on the topic

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Hermitcraft7@reddit

You missed the main thing: on top of what you said, the numbers people are claiming for the F-35 / F-22 are the absolute minimum on all degrees of projection (likely directly forward) while the measurement of RCS for the Su-57 is for a wide angle of projections averaged out.

That's like comparing a single excellent student to the average of an entire class, you know? These people can't be bothered to look into it themselves so they buy into these arguments.

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Peace_Petal@reddit

An F-15SE doesn't have an internal weapons bay, now does it? Putting them in the same category is nuts.

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Linkz98@reddit

Yes it does...

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die_wunder_waffle@reddit

Over 34? So like 35?

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DefinitelyNotAMeanie@reddit

Between 34 and 37 units, out of 76 ordered by the initial contract.

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Hermitcraft7@reddit

That's incorrect. There's more than 33 production aircraft now.

It isn't. It's the first fighter in the world to have DIRCM, for example. It is stealth, you just haven't read the patent.

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AK1772@reddit

and? do you think 33 is a lot?

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Hermitcraft7@reddit

No? But there's a pretty fahken big difference. If someone is wrong on their stats, I will call them out on their BS.

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Obnoxious_Gamer@reddit

Or, to quote a great video: "IT'S ABOUT AS STEALTHY AS TWO SKELETONS FUCKIN' IN A TRASH CAN! AND BUDDY, WE DIDN'T LINE THE CAN - THAT COSTS EXTRA!"

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SquirrelNormal@reddit

...which African countries?

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cdhmedia@reddit

Algeria and some other North African countries maybe? Most of the other nations they are involved with could never afford them.

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Balmung60@reddit

And everyone that could afford them will no doubt have bought Chinese before production ever begins on this thing

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SquirrelNormal@reddit

where countries like Vietnam obviously can't buy American (we're not going to sell to commies)

They signed a deal for 24 F-16Vs this year.

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Dua_Leo_9564@reddit

that deal have gone no where unfortunately. Recently there was a "leak" that Vietnam have signed a deal with russian for aircraft but the quantity and type are unknown tho

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SuperEtenbard@reddit

Everyone we bomb heavily eventually loves us.

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SquirrelNormal@reddit

I mean Vietnam never really hated the US. If we'd told the French we weren't backing their colonial misadventure, there's a decent chance an independent Vietnam is a US client state right off the bat. Because they weren't fans of the French from the whole colonial rule, and they hate China as a neighbor - really only played nice with them long enough to gain independence.

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syringistic@reddit

And Chinese will sell them at a discount in exchange for economic development rights.

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SuperEtenbard@reddit

*Finance them and take said port/infrastructure when they default.

The IMF is like a credit repair program that makes you take financial literacy classes and address corruption. Boring!!!!

China is like crazy Xi’s used car lot that will finance a Dodge Charger for you at 25% interest no credit check required.

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syringistic@reddit

25% interest rate and signing over your house as collateral*

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EYPAPLQ@reddit

That is the point i think some aviation geeks seem to forget. These jets are not really going to compete against western jets, especially if the market is aimed at sanctioned countries. China has a big upper hand, and could easily be the main exporter since they seem to be able to produce and deliver jets quite fast and relatively "cheap".

Sukhoi Vs Boeing or Lockheed is not relevant. Sukhoi Vs Chengdu on the other hand is

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SquirrelNormal@reddit

Algeria is about the only one who could afford it and wouldn't be giving up access to US programs in doing so. And I suspect that if they get stiffed on their latest SU-34 and SU-57 order that they'll start looking elsewhere, like to China.

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AmazingSugar1@reddit

Wikipedia says South Africa is interested in this plane

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SquirrelNormal@reddit

I'm sure they're interested in a lot of things, but in the past decade they've had a lot of trouble keeping even the few Gripens they have airworthy. At one point I think every single one of them was grounded. It's not really a realistic purchase for them.

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Ambiorix33@reddit

Exporting a stealth craft to African nations sounds like the defense contract version of telling people everyone will stop using money and just use bitcoin/NFTs

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unpersoned@reddit

That's a bit of a long shot to start with. Sure, all the countries that can't get an F-35, either for economical or political reasons, is a potential buyer. But then, why would a buyer favor the Su-75 when the J-35 actually exists and flies? Unless they can make it much cheaper, in which case you have to question its effectiveness, it's already outcompeted from two sides.

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TepacheLoco@reddit

‘Export’ means ‘gift in exchange for mining rights and political favours’

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Lirdon@reddit

It would be the case if they wouldn't show the barely functional state of their military and their military equipment. the war on Ukraine would elevate russian military machine's prestige, if they'd win. The hit on their prestige, along with their industrial issues, was what made their jets unsellable. They cannot generally supply new jets and such. anything more complicated than a Shahed drone is problematic to manufacture.

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Bitter_Lab_475@reddit

I see they studied at X-32 Boeing design school.

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generictroglodytic@reddit

Looks pathetic. They likely designed it around an AL-41 engine and didn’t really factor in internal payload bays.

A jet for the third world perhaps

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Desi0190@reddit

Mockup. Not a prototype. That one is a full scale mock up but has no actual technology inside it

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wrenchandrepeat@reddit

Where does the UN come up with these names for the Russian fighters? I've always been genuinely curious. Like some of them sound intimidating like the Felon. But others seem like they're making fun of the plane like with the Frog foot.

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HellbirdVT@reddit

The names are literally just picked based on two criteria: Pick the first letter based on the aircraft type (F for Fighter, B for Bomber etc) and then whatever word that starts with that letter you first think sounds good.

For every "Felon" and "Fulcrum" and "Bear" there's a "Fagot" and a "Farmer" and a "Bob" (all real NATO callsigns for Soviet aircraft).

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madrinks1@reddit

*NATO

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wrenchandrepeat@reddit

Thanks

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Dpek1234@reddit

Its not the UN . its nato

You can read more here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_reporting_name

Also "checkmate" is a purely russian designation they came up with themselfs to basicly sound cool

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LordLederhosen@reddit

When did we start using the "enemy" branding for airplanes, instead of NATO designations, like I used to read in Jane's?

Serious question.

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HellbirdVT@reddit

There isn't a NATO designation for the Checkmate because it isn't a real production aircraft.

NCD has decided that if it ever enters real production and service, it will be dubbed the Su-75 'Femboy'.

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FLongis@reddit

instead of NATO designations like I used to read in Jane's?

Do you know what the Su-75's NATO designation is...?

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Ruskiwaffle1991@reddit

Femboy. It's got to be Femboy.

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joe2105@reddit

Going to exists as one of those old Russian prototypes that never saw production, everyone forgets about, and is posted on a futuristic version of r/weirdwings 20 years from now lol.

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ST4RSK1MM3R@reddit

Will probably make it into an ace combat game at some point like the MiG 1.44

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Sunraku88@reddit

su47 had. is there anything about a new ace combat game coming out?

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hoppertn@reddit

Cries in SU-47

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atape_1@reddit

The SU-47 did actually fly though, this I don't think ever will.

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Tasty-Fox9030@reddit

Are you sure about that? It has the rear facing radar the russians like and I don't see how you need that for a flight test article.

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Delphius1@reddit

was really popular in the air show circuit for awhile, but those wings really make the airframe life short

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Activision19@reddit

Why did they shorten the airframe’s life?

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Delphius1@reddit

the forward sweep of the wings put a huge strain on themselves and the airframe they're attached to

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Activision19@reddit

How does a forward swept wing put any more strain on the airframe than a swept back wing?

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Xivios@reddit

Wings are flexible, and always twist a little, with a swept-back wing, the twist is self-correcting, the change in AoA will always be opposite to the direction of twist and the wing will weather-vane back.

Forward-sweep does the opposite, the change in AoA re-enforces the twist, which means the wing must be incredibly strong to resist the twisting load, especially on something like a fighter, with inherently high-G maneuvers and high AoA that can induce extreme forces in the wing.

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Activision19@reddit

Ah I see, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the thorough explanation kind sir or madam.

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8Bitsblu@reddit

Basically, the way the air flows over the wing causes the tips to want to flex further and further up and twist when performing maneuvers. While there are also benefits to this airflow, these forces cause a LOT of strain on the wing that doesn't happen to the same degree in a rearward swept wing. Because of this, forward swept wings on aircraft expected to regularly perform aggressive maneuvers (fighters) need to be strengthened in all sorts of fancy ways to make them practical.

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RamTank@reddit

And was never supposed to be a combat aircraft in the first place.

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starkruzr@reddit

sorry, you mean "the Su-75 was never supposed to be a combat aircraft" or this mock-up?

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Billothekid@reddit

He's talking about the Su-47. It was never meant to be a combat aircraft, just to experiment new technologies.

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CyberSoldat21@reddit

It had weapons bays though

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Demolition_Mike@reddit

If I recall correctly, it was fitted later and only to test the Su-57 weapons bay

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CyberSoldat21@reddit

Idk it was during its original test flight era

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Activision19@reddit

Gotta work out the kinks of weapons bays somewhere. Might as well do it on a tech demonstrator so the implementation of them goes easier on the production aircraft.

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starkruzr@reddit

oh right, like the American X-29.

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fulltiltboogie1971@reddit

Wasn't that the one with the forward swept wings and canards?

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starkruzr@reddit

yup, just like the Su-47.

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Hgh-Cls-Waffle-House@reddit

Crys so hard. Its my favorite plane.dont like Russian shit cuz it's all hype and cardboard stealth paneling. But just look at her. The black just has such a vibe compared to the x29

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mdang104@reddit

And the Su-47 wasn’t a prototype. It was a demonstrator. There was never provision to mass produce the Su-47.

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Mental_Test_3785@reddit

Wasn't it originally from the same program as the MiG-1.44, and meant to be a combat aircraft but funding was cut before the prototype was finished? IIRC Mustard or Found and Explained made a video on this. I believe it said that funding for the 1.44 was cut, MiG couldn't go on further, the project was given to Sukhoi, funding was cut again, and Sukhoi said "fuck it, hold my beer" before making the 47 and using it as a tech demonstrator for technology used in the Felon. I could be talking out my ass here but idk.

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TheLegitPilot19@reddit

IIRC it was meant to be a naval superiority fighter, but I could be wrong. It even had the ability to fold its wings, which for a technology demonstrator is incredibly bizarre if you don’t account for possible production.

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Goshawk5@reddit

Cries in MiG-1.44

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domesystem@reddit

Cries in Mig 1.44

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DefinitelyNotAMeanie@reddit

Su-47 was from the get go a tech demo and not really meant to go into production.

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m8remotion@reddit

At this point Russia is more likely to buy planes from China

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KMS_HYDRA@reddit

[I think this classic might be suitable here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gne7beWy8fU)

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True-Veterinarian700@reddit

Are we even sure the prototype exisits and isnt a mockup?

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greenizdabest@reddit

X-32ski

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SDStudios3@reddit

cries in Project 1.44 Flatpack

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bigloser42@reddit

and Found and Explained will do a video on it in like 10 years.

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Aleksandar_Pa@reddit

r/weirddrones

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Budget_Team1118@reddit

Looks like this guy.

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Tcog_57@reddit

More Ruskie propaganda. Take this shit down from Reddit.

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shivux@reddit

This looks like the Boeing X-32 before the photographer told it it was beautiful.

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Palaius@reddit

Please Russia, I beg you, build one of these. Just one. That way NATO will need to make an official designation for it. And then they have the chance to do the funniest shit ever.

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BeanieManPresents@reddit

When you copy everyone elses homework...

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DefinitelyNotAMeanie@reddit

Not particularly weird and not a prototype. That's the mock up of the T-75, exactly the same used in plenty of promotional material. It's just that recently a couple more photos from the original photoshoot were published.

The prototype under construction will look different, given that the LTS has seen a redesign to increase internal volume for weapons and fuel.

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DefinitelyNotAMeanie@reddit

Far more recent models of T-75D, T-75S and T-75B

Tandem seat, single seat and unmanned:

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ashzeppelin98@reddit

That tandem seat version is straight up just a Su-30 in a "stealth" dress

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DefinitelyNotAMeanie@reddit

Redditors when the tandem seat Sukhoi has similar proportions to another tandem seat Sukhoi:

:0

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Hermitcraft7@reddit

Terrified to hear your opinion on this patent

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Curious-Designer-616@reddit

SU-75 “FEMBOY” and interesting concept but I’m not sure they have put anything into producing any preproduction testing frames.

It’s going to most likely die until they can recover from their own failures.

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AllReflection@reddit

Sad to see the state of Russian aviation. They sold themselves out for oligarchs. Now the USA is trying its hardest to do the same.

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Hermitcraft7@reddit

...what?

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AllReflection@reddit

We are currently becoming a pay to play oligarchy and is effects on our politics, science, manufacturing, and culture will be widespread. The fact that these same people also embrace an anti-science worldview won’t help R&D much.

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TheGimpFace@reddit

They gonna upgrade the wooden nails from Su-57 to what? A different kind of wood?

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betelgeux@reddit

6th gen^(1) steath^(2) advanced^(3) fighter^(4) aircraft^(5 6)

^(1 - generation refers number of times the rendering engine crashed trying to make this image)

^(2- Stealth 100% effective in areas without radar surveillance manned by deaf/blind operatives)

^(3 - Advanced with respect of the model number being higher than the NATO aircraft)

^(5 - Aircraft defined as a craft that can exist at 1 atmospheric pressure)

^(6 - Existence of item is strictly controlled military delusion.)

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llkd97@reddit

Looks like the F-35 and the X-32 had a baby together

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bCup83@reddit

Not intended for Russian use. No mudguards.

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ikarus2k@reddit

Prototype or mock-up?!

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chippymediaYT@reddit

Mock-up, there is no prototype as far as we know

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kontemplador@reddit

This is probably the mock-up they showed some years ago, although there have been rumors about the first flight sometimes before year's end

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Aggravating-Fix-1717@reddit

I think you mean *SU-75 FEMBOY

FIFY

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CaptainA1917@reddit

Made from plywood and bondo, and so has a better RCS than the real Su-57.

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szhod@reddit

Laughable.

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MrScootini@reddit

Too bad it won’t have any oil to get it in the air lol

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ShakyBrainSurgeon@reddit

The inlet looks really small. Too small maybe...

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GlassMirror15@reddit

But why are they still using IRST?

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Dpek1234@reddit

Nah IRST is fine to use

The problem is the ball IRST

Whats next? They will put radar reflectors on their su57s?

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DarkSolaris@reddit

Mockup. Not prototype.

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patrickthunnus@reddit

How much of it is plywood?

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-S-P-E-C-T-R-E-@reddit

The Temu F-35 Lightningsky

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BigBlueBurd@reddit

I love how they keep trying to push the 'Checkmate' name (which in and of itself is a hilariously copium-laced name) despite that not conforming in the slightest to NATO reporting name standards so if (that's a very big if) one ever flies, it's going to get a different name, and no one is going to use 'Checkmate'.

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