Is 9070 XT that much better than 9060 XT considering the price?

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aragorn18@reddit

The 9070 XT is about 66% faster. It's hard for us to tell you if it's worth it.

What resolution is your monitor?

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Stawarski@reddit (OP)

I've been using 1080p monitor for a while now and I don't plan on chaning it atm.

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aragorn18@reddit

At 1080p, you can probably save your money and get the 9060 XT.

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goodnames679@reddit

100%. I underrated this aspect when I was new to PC gaming. The day I got a very nice monitor my mind was blown.

At OPs budget I would aim for a good 1440p 165hz (or higher refresh if preferred.) He won’t be able to run intensive games anywhere close to its limits, but plenty of games could max that out still. It should also last a very long time, assuming he doesn’t make the jump to 4k anytime soon. I can’t imagine he would, if he’s still on 1080p

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Crannoc_2021@reddit

Forgive me but I don't understand, most people can't see the 120hz refresh let alone go up to the 165. Why would one go up to even 165?

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goodnames679@reddit

The human eye can perceive motions at what's equivalent to over 500 Hz. Almost every gamer I've encountered can absolutely perceive a difference between 60 and 120, not sure where you got the idea that people can't see it. Hell, once you get used to 240 it's definitely noticeable to drop down to 165.

165 is, to me, the sweet spot where higher performance is possible but just not that big a deal.

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WarEagleGo@reddit

Save the money, upgrade the monitor.

now that is advice I wish I took

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Forecastformcast@reddit

Oh noo

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Exciting_Aioli2711@reddit

What about at 1440p

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thaarxx@reddit

I played at 1440p with 3060ti decently before switching to 9070xt, so 9060xt should be great. Just use fsr quality/balanced

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aragorn18@reddit

The 9060 XT can play at 1440p, especially the 16GB version. However, there might be games where you have to turn the settings down to get good performance. The 9070 XT would perform better.

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UninstallingNoob@reddit

It's safe to say that the 9070 XT would not make a lot of sense to buy unless you upgrade to a higher resolution monitor.

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AndrewIsntCool@reddit

Bro the difference in price of the 9060XT and the 9070XT can literally buy a much better monitor for you. $500+ graphics cards and you are wasting it on 1080p imo

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UninstallingNoob@reddit

I think in more GPU demanding games at 1440p or 4k, the 9070 XT is even more than 66% faster than the 9060 XT 16GB. I certainly have seen that in some games, but I haven't done a very comprehensive tabulation of statistics to back this up.

It stands to reason that it could be more than 66% faster in some games, considering that the GPU is literally twice the size of the 9060 XT GPU, and considering that it also has double the memory bandwidth, and also considering that it runs at a frequency which isn't that much lower.

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Hairy-Fig4442@reddit

It's obvious that the 9070 is better but how much better? It's 66% faster at 2k, 66% faster to do what exactly? Will an enemy render in 66% faster? Is the loading screen going to load faster? From spec sheet vs spec sheet, the 9060 looks almost identical.

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brokencondomuwu@reddit

I have a ultra wide gaming monitor which cost $700, upgraded early in advance cause my monitor back then died. so now i have upgraded my pc, basically all new parts with amd chips etc, 32gb ram, liquid cooler blah and blah with my legendary 1060 card. i am financially stable to purchase a card up to $800usd. am just thinking if 9060xt or 9070xt should be the one for me. i do some video editing, dota, gta, cod, fps games

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Stawarski@reddit (OP)

If you have a 4k monitor and a decent budget than I guess 9070 would be better for you. I went with 9060, but I only have 1080p resolution.

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Any-Environment-4636@reddit

I got a 9060 16gb, just my two cents but I run a high refreshe 4k and it has been exceeding expectations. Above 60 in most titles n frame gen helping me hitting 120-140. Sure there are gonna be some titles where upscaling is essential but tbh for the price diff n performance im getting, zero buyers regret.

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Any-Environment-4636@reddit

9070 is prolly better for native res but tbh i gave up on that dream when i had a rtx 4000 card lol

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Responsible_Tank3822@reddit

I'm not really playing that many modern games - BF6 and Helldivers 2 were the only recent titles that gave my laptop a hard time, so perhaps 9060 is more suited for me.

Get the 9060XT. The 9070XT is that much better, but the 9060XT is right in line with what you actually need.

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Tasty_Wrap7832@reddit

Thank you for this. I'm not an avid AAA player, I'm more on the casual side laid back game. So I decided to buy 9060xt

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_Presence_@reddit

I’d also suggest the 9600x instead of the 9700x if OP goes for the 9060xt. From what I’ve learned (I’m no where near as knowledgeable as others here, so correct me if I’m wrong), it’s unlikely OP will be bottlenecked by CPU if they use the 9600x. Even with the 9070xt, a 9600x will not likely be the bottleneck for performance with most games. Am I off on this assessment?

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Vaxthrul@reddit

Literally my set up @1440p UW. Majority of games aren't cpu bound, but paradox games, and poe2 super juice maps get me sometimes. Can play all the big titles this year over 90fps, CKD2 was fantastic.

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AwayAtKeyboard@reddit

The thing with Paradox games is that they'll run like shit no matter what CPU you have. They run on a game engine designed for dual core CPU's, meaning it only knows how to use one thread of your CPU. Pair that with how much they need to calculate, especially in the late game, and you have a perfect recipe for lag lol.

Path of Exile tho? Lets be real, if you're not grinding your computer to a halt, are you really playing the game properly?

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WulfTheSaxon@reddit

He updated to say he wants to stick with 1080p though, so he actually might be. But in that case I’d be tempted to get a 7600X3D for the same price as a 9700X, or a 7800X3D for just +$60.

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concretesuppository@reddit

9070xt is a damn good card. 9060xt is alright but not great by any means

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Jazzlike-Street4411@reddit

I'm rocking a 9070xt paired with a ryzen 5 5600 playing at 1440p. I can crank it up to ultra in pretty much every game I play including Helldivers 2. Easily get over 100fps. The 9070xt is based.

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VisibleSituation1224@reddit

I bought a g7 32 inch 1440p 240 hz on clearance for 300$ mayhe a year and a half ago. Getting the monitor made a way bigger difference than any other upgrade ive ever done. If you ever do upgrade the monitor its best to check clearance online often.

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psimwork@reddit

If you're going to spend the money, spend it because you want the performance difference - not to "future proof" it. It's roughly 50% better performing. But if you don't have use for that 50% in performance, then you're not going to get any value from it. So like, if you have a 60Hz 1080p display, and the 9060XT can easily do 60 FPS, then buying a 9070 XT is a little silly. However, if you're going to be gaming at 4K, then the 9070 XT will benefit you almost certainly.

Be advised, if you're going to be gaming at 1440p or above, the 9600X is often the better buy. The extra cores of the 9700X are not likely to benefit you before the cores of the 9700X are long obsolete.

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UninstallingNoob@reddit

It's closer to 66% more performance. The 9070 XT GPU is literally twice the size of the 9060 XT GPU. The reason it isn't 100% more powerful is because it needs to be run at a lower clock speed due to the reduced heat dissipation of the larger GPU size.

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psimwork@reddit

There's certainly situations when I imagine that could be true. When I write things like that, I will usually pull up a couple of benchmarks and take a look and give a quick calculation. I will concede that my numbers may not be accurate, but I try to get them reasonably close to make the point (or sometimes disprove my point, in which case, I stop typing and don't post).

I don't remember writing this particular post, but I'd be willing to bet that I looked at a benchmark vid or two, took a look at the average FPS between the two, and just divided the lower number from the higher number to come up with ~1.5 (hence, 50% faster).

But I'm not disputing - it very well could be 66% faster.

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UninstallingNoob@reddit

Regarding the 9070 XT vs. the 9060 XT (16GB), in more demanding games at 1440p and 4k, I think it actually performs even more than 66% better. It's closer to 80% more performance in at least some games.

The 9070 XT really is a great value card, but you really need a 1440p or 4k display to take advantage of that horsepower. If you're putting together a complete system, the 9070 XT is currently $250 more than the 16GB 9060 XT. So, for maybe a 20% higher price, you're adding maybe 70-80% more performance in the most demanding games, which actually seems like a really good deal, IF you can afford it, and IF you have a 1440p or 4k monitor.

By contrast, choosing a 9800X3D instead of the much cheaper 9600X is going to give you virtually no performance improvement in most typical gaming scenarios, and never anywhere near a 70% performance improvement even in heavily CPU bound gaming scenarios.

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UninstallingNoob@reddit

Your point was still valid either way. The 9070 XT absolutely does not make sense to use with a 1080p monitor, and your more general point about future proofing is also good advice.

Rarely does it make sense to buy more powerful specs than you need now, in case you need it in the future. One common exception to this is higher vram capacity on graphics cards. Many graphics cards which come with more vram are often worth paying more for, even if you don't yet play any games which will benefit from the additional vram.

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UninstallingNoob@reddit

Your point still made sense.

After looking it up, I have found that the 9070 XT can actually be more than 66% better in some scenarios too. The 66% number is just from Techpowerup. They have all graphics cards in a database and when you select one, you can see relative performance vs. any other graphics card. Their system is unavoidably imperfect too.

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birdman829@reddit

"future proof" it. It's roughly 50% better performing. But if you d

lol thank you. People always talking about "future proof" is honestly triggering. Someone recently advised someone else to get a 9800x3d over a 7800x3d because it was more "future proof"... my head was spinning trying to imagine a game 5 years from now where the 9800x3d was just crushing while the 7800x3d that generally performs within 5-10% was just wheezing. and struggling.

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nijave@reddit

Came here looking for upgrade options from Vega 64 that I got over 56 to "future proof". If you're willing to live in borderline obsolescence for a couple years, I think sometimes it's worth it. Obviously price matters, too

2700x has also aged well

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psimwork@reddit

Yeah people tend to look at "future proof" as a mindset of "if I just spend [x] I'll get over the hill of obsolescence and from there every dollar I spend extra, I'll get back that and more in how much longer my parts last!".

The truth is that it will never work out like that. One might go into it thinking if they want to spend [x] and end up spending [x] * 2, that it'll last twice as long as if they just had spend [x]. The reality is that if it lasts longer at all, it'll probably be more like [x] + 5-10%.

Additionally, folks point out something like the AM4 platform, and are like, "but THAT was amazingly future proof! And I was saying when it came out that AMD holds on to their sockets longer and it would be future proof!!". And while they're correct in that it was indeed quite the future proof purchase, it ignores a LOT of important details, all of which were basically unknowable when it came out. Like, let's say when the AM4 platform launched, someone bought an ASRock X370 Fatal1ty with a Ryzen 1800X. If you still had it roughly a year ago, you could have gotten a 5800X3D for it and it would have been an amazingly future proof motherboard that is still valid to this day for gaming, 7+ years after it launched.

But when if in 2020 you were like, "I want a new CPU. But AMD has said that a 5950X on a 300-series chipset is impossible! Fuck it! I'll sell my motherboard and get a new one with the X570 chipset! THAT will be future proof!".

Or what if, having NOT purchased a 5950X in 2020 because you didn't want to buy a new motherboard, you think that you're going to buy a 5950X in 2021 because AMD finally relented and suddenly the 5000-series CPU that was "impossible" on a 300-series chipset according to AMD, is suddenly possible, and AMD releases the AGEIA update to do it.....except that on your X370 Fatal1ty, ASRock was super slow about releasing an official (or even beta) BIOS, and they weren't giving any indication as to whether or not they would EVER release it. So, tired of waiting, you say "FUCK IT!" and buy a new motherboard and the 5950X you've been wanting for over a year.

There's no way you could have realistically known that AMD would relent and release firmware to run the 5000-series CPUs on X370. Nor could you have known that ASRock would be slow on the release, or whether or not they ever would actually release it.

It doesn't mean that the X370 Fatal1ty was a bad purchase initially, BUT if you chose it over a B350 chipset at half the price because it was more "future proof", well... that just wasn't a super smart move.

Where I am OK with "future proof" is when you're like, "Ok - I am debating between a B650 Chipset motherboard at $180, or a B850 Chipset motherbord at $200. The B850 chipset board has a PCIe5 graphics card slot and a 5GbE LAN port. I don't need either of those right now, but like... it's $20 more. So I'm ok with that small increase in price to be a little more "future proof"."

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KillEvilThings@reddit

spend it because you want the performance difference - not to "future proof" it.

With this logic everyone should be buying a 5600x, 16gb of RAM, and an 8gb GPU because it's got the "best price to performance ratio" per dollar to FPS.

Absolute dumbass take. A more powerful card now is going to hedge against bad performance later. 100%. ESPECIALLY in the VRAM department.

Why not buy a 1060 3gb instead of a 1060 6gb? Oh wait, my bud was able to basically use his 1060 6gb for anything up until UE5 became commonplace. That 1060 3gb ate shit in 1/3 the time.

Sorry but that saying is dumb as shit. You absolutely ARE "futureproofing" by ensuring you hit your target FPS and resolution for longer periods of time and thus maintain satisfying performance for longer.

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KillEvilThings@reddit

Yes. What the 9060xt can do at 1080p the 9070xt can do at 1440p (75% more pixels) and probably at higher settings or more FPS.

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UninstallingNoob@reddit

The 9070 XT GPU is basically two 9060 XT GPUs stuck together. The design of the 9070 XT just basically doubled everything. The reason it's not fully 100% more powerful is because it has to run at a somewhat lower frequency due to the less efficient heat dissipation of the larger sized GPU.

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kmkm2op@reddit

This is true, I have both in 2 different systems. Although the 9070xt at 1440p is like probably 20-30% faster than the 9060xt at 1080p.

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GoncaloZen@reddit

What did you end up getting? I actually am basically in the same situation but the price difference is 230€ (because of black friday) and I was wondering if it was worth it

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Stawarski@reddit (OP)

I went with 9060 and I think it was right choice. BF6 is running in 144fps on balanced settings so there was no need for the "better" card.

I've not yet tried Helldivers 2, maybe will install that next, but since it was playable on my old laptop I can assume it should run way better, so go for the 9060.

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Gracien@reddit

9060xt is perfect for BF6 at 1440p.

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TheRealVexiis@reddit

I'm both CPU and GPU bound (i7-11700 and RTX 3060 (non-Ti) - I can get around 100-110 with everything set to low+ultra performance preset) - just curious what your setup is and what framerate you're getting... thinking of building an all AMD system but...

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Confident-Ad8540@reddit

are you playing in 2k ?

if it's 1080p then 9060xt is fine.

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Little-Equinox@reddit

2K is 2048x1080, I think you mean 2560x1440, which is 2.6K/QHD

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Johann_Von_Graff@reddit

Sure buddy

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Azatis-@reddit

Yes it is for 4K gaming

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Little-Equinox@reddit

The 9070XT is a 1440p card, not a 2160p card. While it can do 2160p, on more modern titles it will run out of VRAM.

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Wuffy_RS@reddit

So the only 4k card is the 5090?

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Little-Equinox@reddit

3090, 3090 Ti, 7900XTX, 4090, 5090, none of these GPUs run out of VRAM in 2160p.

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Antenoralol@reddit

7900 XT doesn't run out of VRAM at 4K either.

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Little-Equinox@reddit

It does, it just starts using your RAM as VRAM at 80% to 90% fill range, because if it would use 100% of the VRAM the GPU would crash, the same if you use 100% of your RAM or SSD.

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Antenoralol@reddit

I played at 4K and never filled the VRAM.

Highest I ever saw was 16 GB at 4K with RT on playing SH2 remake.

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Little-Equinox@reddit

I play at 4K, and easily use 18GB VRAM, I have a 24GB 7900XTX in that system.

Just as I explained in the other message, your GPU is gonna swap memory with your RAM so it doesn't 100% fill itself, or depending on the engine or how the game is build it'll use worse looking textures. This makes it look like you never fill your RAM when you actually do.

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Azatis-@reddit

You know there is dlss/fsr right ?

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Little-Equinox@reddit

Upscaling doesn't reduce VRAM usage, it actually increases it

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Azatis-@reddit

Doesn't matter, the final result is

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Little-Equinox@reddit

Not always, not if you severely run out of VRAM, because than it swaps memory with your RAM which reduces FPS even more.

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Azatis-@reddit

I agree with you but benchmarks shows there is no problems as we speak

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Antenoralol@reddit

Yeah... DLSS "Performance" no different to 4K Native.

I call bs.

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Azatis-@reddit

You can call all you want. If by differences you have to try hard to find, youll find plenty. Happy now?

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Little-Equinox@reddit

Oh I definitely can tell the difference between FSR4/DLSS and native.

But that's because I have a 65" 2160p panel and I often play Star Citizen where everything at a distance becomes a blur with upscaling.

Also FG lowers base frame rate.

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KillEvilThings@reddit

Nah upscalng looks like smeary garbage no matter the screen. It looks like someone shit FXAA all over it especially at a distance.

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Little-Equinox@reddit

I prefer to have it turned off, especially in space games. Mainly because upscaling will make a city at 800KM make look a smeary mess.

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KillEvilThings@reddit

Literally yes if you want actual longevity.

If you like spending 800$ on a GPU every 2 years or turning down everything to low afterwards.

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invictusb@reddit

9070XT is more than adequate for 4K gaming.

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Azatis-@reddit

What are you talking about. 1440p is 5070\9070

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Little-Equinox@reddit

So are the 5070Ti and 9070XT

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Azatis-@reddit

Benchmarks says otherwise

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Little-Equinox@reddit

I don't count frame gen as real frames, the base frames actually slightly drop with Framegen.

But I have the 9070XT and 7900XTX, and in 4K my 9070XT gets crushed, especially in 1% lows the 7900XTX is twice as fast, but the 9070XT is slightly faster in 1440p as long I stay under VRAM limit.

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Azatis-@reddit

The thing is what you getting as 4K gaming goes right? Performance DLSS looks even better than 4K, that is free performance actually. I dont know man, i see benchmarks and 9070xt does great in 4K.

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Little-Equinox@reddit

When you talk about stuff that's just a few pixels big, any upscaler will struggle with that.

Because you basically take a lower resolution and upscale it, which makes tiny objects either blurry, oversharpened or look completely different.

I personally don't like the sharpening upscalers do, to me it looks ugly.

Benchmarks aren't real gaming experience, like I should get for example 60fps in Cyberpunk 2077 no problem, but as soon I reach high intensive areas it drops below 20fps. That while the 7900XTX stays at 60fps.

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Azatis-@reddit

Upscalers right now doing a phenomenal job, frames is not an issue anymore and the game is played if RT is on or off or MAX or not. 4K is nothing for 9070xt.

When a card like 9070 xt can play natively 90% of video games out there is considered a 4K card by default

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Little-Equinox@reddit

It's the same when you call a 5060 Ti a 1440p card, that while at 1080p yoy already run out of VRAM and lose a lot of performance.

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Hugh_Jego_69@reddit

I have no issues with my 9070xt at 4k.

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Little-Equinox@reddit

It varies per game, but some newer titles and heavier titles run out of VRAM and will have terrible 1% lows. Like Cyberpunk is a nice example that runs out of VRAM in 3440x1440.

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Forecastformcast@reddit

If you upgrade your monitor to 1440p than a 9060 xt (16 gb is a must) is an awesome deal compared to nvidia equivalent

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Firm_Serve_5480@reddit

simple answer - 1080 res ? 9060 xt. 1440p ? go for 9070 xt. Im currently on 3440x1440 with 9070 xt and its sweet spot. Cant imagine to have 9060xt for this res. Helldivers for exampe in native and ultra settings runs 100-120 fps. BF6 around 140-170

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Antenoralol@reddit

9070 XT sits right in the middle of the 7900 XT and the 7900 XTX.

It's about 66% faster than a 9060 XT.

If it's not more than 66% more expensive then it may be a good value purchase.

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Brosemite17@reddit

Great question...4K monitor not in my budget either as that's a huge difference between a curved 1440P monitor which is great for FP/strategy games which I hate on a big screen.

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bikecatpcje@reddit

9060xt u are playing 1080p with some 1440p

9070xt u start at 1440p

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Haile_Storm@reddit

I recently built a new rig using a 9070 xt. Getting 140+fps on bf6 at overkill settings. It's a really awesome card. Ive yet to try it in other games though.

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No_Entrepreneur_495@reddit

9060 XT 16GB model would probably be enough for you.

also why not save a little bit of money by getting a 9600X or maybe a 7700 if you really want an 8 core 16 thread CPU.

they're usually around $60-70 cheaper, from where I am atleast.

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Prestigious_Pizza_40@reddit

Buy 9060 XT 16gb. Use it till 5070 Super 18 gb is out. Sell 9060 and buy 5070. You'r welcome

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Logical-Hyena8260@reddit

Lmao?

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tgr31@reddit

just that easy

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Confident-Ad8540@reddit

lol, he should just buy one he wants and can use for a while.

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PollShark_@reddit

One of them performs as good as a 3070ti plus 5% the other is 3090ti plus 15%

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RDOG907@reddit

Get the 9070 XT

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ToughEmployment9242@reddit

If you dont plan on replacing it soon, then go for 9070/xt. If you upgrade to 1440p monitor in the future (which im sure you will) the 9070/xt will serve you well. i currently have 9060 xt and it can do 1440p fsr4 quality and it looks much much much better than native 1080p even though i have a 1080p 24" monitor with vsr on.

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Doyoulike4@reddit

From what I'm reading you only need a 9060XT 16GB to be completely honest. I do think at $600-$650 range the 9070XT is that much better, but I don't think you need that. If you go to 4K then yes you'd probably want the 9070XT since with FSR4 upscaling and frame gen and 16GB VRAM it'll handle 4k pretty well.

But honestly for 1080p and even 1440p a 9060XT 16GB is fine.

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Whiskeypants17@reddit

I did this exact thing. In the games I wanted to play the 9070xt was literally 2x the fps for about 2x the price as the 9060xt.

But in 1080 and 1440 I dont really need 2x the fps. Im just a casual 60hz/60fps is fine type of person. And with fsr frame gen im getting like 100-200fps in 1080. In Warhammer 40k which is trying to melt my little 9600x cpu if I dont limit frames to 120fps.

Sure its better, sure you get more frames. Look at youtube reviews of games you want to play. Do you want 60fps or 100fps? Is it worth it to you? Maybe.

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Hothacon@reddit

Yep, tried a Power color hellhound 9060 XT and it was an amazing upgrade from my evga 1080ti Hybrid FTW, but getting the 9070 XZT is a godlike difference

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seanc6441@reddit

What is the pricing on both?

And how much is the 9700x? You might be better off going 9600x and using the money saved to jump up to the 9070 or 9070xt.

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