UK's Prince Andrew gives up royal title Duke of York amid renewed scrutiny over Epstein ties
Posted by xland44@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 60 comments
OldCut376@reddit
It’s ironic someone can give up a title of nobility based on public backlash. Like I thought the whole appeal of hereditary privilege was that you didn’t give a shit what the public thought. That’s its main selling point no?
xland44@reddit (OP)
That's actually a pretty interesting question which made me go down a small rabbit hole.
Admittedly from Gemini, but:
So, on paper he didn't actually give it up, he just agreed to practically act as if he isn't one anymore
JustSomebody56@reddit
They need parliament to remove it, even if I think the Parliament gave back to the monarch the authority to revoke them a few years ago.
It was one of the rare cases where the Monarch was granted more power
xland44@reddit (OP)
Yes, that's what I said
enterisys@reddit
Well the dude proved you wrong. What's next?
Due-Organization-215@reddit
Did he, tho? He didn’t actually give the title up, just stoped using it. The news headline says something completely different from his statement
enterisys@reddit
You OK?
Due-Organization-215@reddit
That is what the headline says, but his official statement says nothing regarding him giving up the titles and honors, just that he will stop using them, which are two completely different things. He still is the duke of York and retains whatever other titles and honors he was previously attributed, he is just not being styled as that anymore.
In the words of the official statement:
With His Majesty’s agreement, we feel I must now go a step further. I will therefore no longer use my title or the honours which have been conferred upon me. As I have said previously, I vigorously deny the accusations against me.
enterisys@reddit
Yep that's his words thanks for confirming. Also
Due-Organization-215@reddit
Stepping back from public life is not related to giving up titles, it just means he is no longer a working member of the royal family
enterisys@reddit
Well now he gave up the titles. You happy?
Due-Organization-215@reddit
I have no dog in this fight, my life is the same if he keeps or gives up his titles, I am just pointing out that he did not give up his titles, he is just not using them anymore. All that changes is that he will not be styled as “Prince Andrew, The Duke of York” anymore. He is still titles as prince and as duke of York
enterisys@reddit
Well you coming to this discussion kinda proves "you care".
Also you linked him giving up his titles so idk...
Due-Organization-215@reddit
It is reddit, a public forum, everyone engaged in whatever discussion they please. It doesn’t really mean the person cares about the topic. The oficial statement I linked proves he did not give up his titles, but you clearly didn’t understand what you read
enterisys@reddit
https://www.royal.uk/news-and-activity/2025-10-17/a-statement-by-prince-andrew
Due-Organization-215@reddit
No longer using a title is completely different than giving it up, but you either fail to understand that or are just too stubborn to admit you were wrong
enterisys@reddit
Then why did he give up the title?
Due-Organization-215@reddit
He never gave up hist titled. Stop using a title is not the same as giving them up. You clearly has no idea how royal and nobility titles work
enterisys@reddit
Price Andrew disagrees with you tho.
https://www.royal.uk/news-and-activity/2025-10-17/a-statement-by-prince-andrew
Due-Organization-215@reddit
He doesn’t, tho. You just didn’t understand the statement and is making sure to show everyone that
enterisys@reddit
He kinda did tho.
Due-Organization-215@reddit
You keep linking the same source i first pointed out, that directs to the statement you clearly didn’t understand won’t change the fact that he never gave up his titles. He still is the a prince and the duke of York, even if not styled as that
enterisys@reddit
Cos its og source where he drops his titles. What else you want linked...
Due-Organization-215@reddit
He didn’t give up his titles, but you are unable to understand that, clearly
enterisys@reddit
He said he did.
Due-Organization-215@reddit
He didn’t, either you didn’t understand, or you are a troll with way too much free time
enterisys@reddit
He kinda did tho.
Due-Organization-215@reddit
He did not give his titles up, in any way, shape or form, but believe whatever your heart desires
enterisys@reddit
Source?
Due-Organization-215@reddit
Literally the his statement, that I first linked and you are too dense ti understand
enterisys@reddit
Yeah where his says he drops it.
Due-Organization-215@reddit
He says he is stopping to use them, not giving them up. There is a world of difference there. But once again, you are either too dense to understand that or a troll with way too much free time. Anyway, keep on being wrong if that makes you happy
enterisys@reddit
Nope.
Due-Organization-215@reddit
Keep on being wrong if that makes you happy
enterisys@reddit
How can Prince's words be wrong lol
Due-Organization-215@reddit
They are not wrong, you are just unable to understand them. Ask I said, you are free to keep on being wrong if that makes you happy
enterisys@reddit
It's his direct quote tho. Why you say it's wrong?
Due-Organization-215@reddit
Which you are unable to understand. Once again, you are free to keep on being wrong if that makes you happy
enterisys@reddit
What else? Is Earth flat?
Due-Organization-215@reddit
No, Earth is not flat, but if you want to believe that, you are also free to do it. Wouldn’t be surprising coming from someone who can’t understand the difference between stop using a nobility title and giving a nobility title up
enterisys@reddit
Okay, nice. So why can't you cope with Prince Andrew words?
Due-Organization-215@reddit
You are the one who can’t understand them and is desperately trying to defend the statement says something it definitely does not 😂😂😂
enterisys@reddit
It's basic English. What do you no understand from his words?
Due-Organization-215@reddit
I did understand his words, you that fail to comprehend that giving up a title is not the same as stop using it and all he is doing is stop using them, while still maintaining his titles, hence not giving them up. But, once again, you are free to be as wrong as you please
enterisys@reddit
He did tho.
cockmongler@reddit
He can't really give it up. But it's interesting that you bring up the hereditary aspect as apparently every time the Duke of York title has been created (8 times since C15th) it's failed to be inherited.
Due-Organization-215@reddit
Isn’t “Duke of York” the title of the monarch’s second son, so as soon as the spot is available it returns to the Crown to be passed on to the new monarch’s second son? Like, if Harry ever became the duke of York,, he wouldn’t be able to pass it down to his second son, unless he bacame the monarch
cockmongler@reddit
According to wikipedia, only due to contingency. Had Andrew a male heir it would go to him but he hasn't so far so it'll go to back to the crown. It seems this has happened every time the title has been created (or the Duke has become monarch which it seems dissolves the title).
xland44@reddit (OP)
At this point they should replace the title with Professor of Defence Against the Dark Arts
Due-Organization-215@reddit
Interesting, I’ve thought that the royal dukedom of York was like the prince of Wales title
toronto-bull@reddit
This was a title Queen Elizabeth gave to him in 1986 when he married Fergie. He wasn’t born with it.
nameofplumb@reddit
Andrew is literally the son of Queen Elizabeth the II. Andrew is the younger brother of King Charles. He was born a Prince.
Fergie was dubbed a Duchess upon her marriage to Andrew.
bobrobor@reddit
No the main selling point, in ancient theory, is that a noble exhibits higher level of restraint from vices. A noble is supposed to serve as an example and care for his subjects. A good example are the Starks in Game of Thrones. A bad example are everyone else :) So it may be a saving grace by a noble to relinquish his title when on shaky ground with his ethics. Admitting being unworthy of a title. Doesn’t mean admitting guilt but giving up when losing popular vote of confidence.
Gawkhimmyz@reddit
its a calculation from the King, does this persons indiscretions lower the nations overall view of the monarchy. I bet King Charlie will see a small corresponding rise in popularity because it will be interpreted as he demanded this...
Tom-Rath@reddit
It didn't take an FBI interrogator to see that Prince Andrew was nakedly lying during that BBC News Night interview when he claimed to have broken off contact with Epstein. Anyone who bought the "I wasn't capable of sweating at the time' excuse needs to have their head examined.
What's creepiest of all are the contents of the Prince's emails to Epstein.
"We'll play some more soon."
Between those emails and Trump's "Enigmas never age" comment, it's becoming increasingly clear that these billionaire pederasts consider themselves untouchable. Why else would they use barely-cloaked language to describe their nightmarishly evil proclevities?
skunktubs@reddit
I mean, Epstein saw the inside of a call... briefly.
nameofplumb@reddit
And Maxwell leaves jail for work now. She just sleeps there.
Due-Organization-215@reddit
That is what the headline says, but his official statement says nothing regarding him giving up the titles and honors, just that he will stop using them, which are two completely different things. He still is the duke of York and retains whatever other titles and honors he was previously attributed, he is just not being styled as that anymore.
In the words of the official statement:
With His Majesty’s agreement, we feel I must now go a step further. I will therefore no longer use my title or the honours which have been conferred upon me. As I have said previously, I vigorously deny the accusations against me.
flabberjabberbird@reddit
Isn't this move in and of itself an admission of guilt? Also, is it not setting an awful precedent? No one should be above the law. No one, not even royalty.
We need an independent inquiry, his time in court and hopefully a long prison sentence.
Virginia's book makes her rape seem so every day. Surely this isn't the only time this has happened?
NetworkLlama@reddit
Speaking strictly from a legal perspective, proving the case would be exceptionally difficult based on information that we know exists. The FBI or the state of Florida may have more information that simply isn't public, but at the moment, the case would be dueling claims with the accuser dead and very little if any physical evidence. While Giuffre's book might have some additional admissibility under the "dying declaration" exception (I don't know that for sure, and I'm not a lawyer, just a sort of legal enthusiast), it's still unlikely to hit the level of "beyond a reasonable doubt" that both US and UK courts require. Even if prosecutors could get a jury to convict, there is a good chance that appellate courts would overturn it. Because of that, "you can't prove I'm guilty" is largely what Andrew and others are hanging on to.
Right now, the only thing anyone can reasonably hope to change this is the House discharge petition. It requires that the newly-elected representative from Arizona be seated or that one more Republican steps up to sign it. The first has to happen at some point, while the latter seems unlikely but could happen at some point.