Republican Governor Orders National Guard Deployed to No Kings Protest
Posted by esporx@reddit | PrepperIntel | View on Reddit | 169 comments
Posted by esporx@reddit | PrepperIntel | View on Reddit | 169 comments
Present_upstairs24-7@reddit
crickets from all these gun toting- government needs to stay out of our lives -texans
greenarrow118@reddit
What’s wrong with that? He’s doing it to make sure things don’t get out of hand or violent
Vadarpoop@reddit
Make up your minds. Is it a gathering of middle aged white people gathering at NOON or violent domestic terrorists? Interesting that Portland’s rally was the only one that got violent.
forestcridder@reddit
Oh fuck off. Things won't get out of hand or violent unless the people with guns, body armor, and face masks decide to get violent. And they will. They always do. Stand there with a sign and some fucking body armored prick will try to wreck your day for their "safety".
piercesdesigns@reddit
None of these protests have gotten violent.
From one of the email messages about the protest tomorrow.
“We will once again prove that this country is strongest when we are in community with each other working for the benefit of one another. While they try to stoke fear and division we will march with joy in unity.
So remember, this march is not just against President Trump and his abuses of power, it is for your friends, your families, your neighbors, and all of the incredible people of this country working toward a better future.”
MenaFWM@reddit
Man GTFO…
robotfunparty@reddit
Opposite actually.
garfield529@reddit
I’m not generally an alarmist, but I think tomorrow might be a powder keg that finds a spark.
Vadarpoop@reddit
Ironically enough, it looks like only Portlands No King rally got crazy. Isn’t it funny how having the national guard at a peaceful protest shifts the vibe?
currently__working@reddit
People also were convinced martial law was going to be invoked on 4/20 aka hitler's birthday. Convinced.
simpleisideal@reddit
Agreed.
Particularly suspicious is the timing with the current administration and its comments on flag burning in the lead-up to these protests.
Even for those want to be generous or cautious and acknowledge the theoretical risk that exists by burning a flag in public under certain circumstances of spectacle, they ought to be asking themselves:
CourageThick2887@reddit
Cunt.
remybanjo@reddit
Peaceful demonstrations show all the folks on the sidelines that we can make an opposition and a change without violence. I don’t want a civil war. You don’t either. And, really, neither does your MAGA family and neighbors. It’s important to be prepped with the goal to never have to use any of it.
crescent-v2@reddit
I've been following this 50501/No Kings movement and have been to a bunch of their protests.
And here's the funny part: this 50501/No Kings movement has come under some very intense criticism from leftists and from people who participated in the George Floyd/BLM protests five years ago for... not being disruptive enough.
Like these are the protests of old white women with walkers, suburban families with kids in strollers, dogs wearing sandwich board signs. All of these protests get permits from the cities they are in or, if they don't, they stick to sidewalks and don't impede traffic or pedestrians or even use loudspeakers.
So if they're closing a street and marching down it, chanting on a bullhorn - it's because that's allowable under the conditions of the permit.
To the leftists and participants of the BLM rallies, this is pussyfooting around and 50501/No Kings is just "controlled opposition".
And yet - even that is too much for state governments.
This is the release valve on a boiler. They can bring out the guard to try to close that valve by blocking these protests. What happens when you close the release valve on a boiler?
Although more likely is that the guard stands around looking bored and the marchers stick to the permit conditions. And the guard members write letters to their House reps and senators complaining that this is not what they signed up for. In another year or two we'll have some nice hearings about low morale and lack of new signup for the guard.
Th3_Admiral_@reddit
One of the protests in my city had food trucks, a live band, and an inflatable bounce castle for the kids and was held in a public park that is hidden behind some trees. That's not a protest, that's a picnic.
HellsBelle8675@reddit
That's building community when they're setting us against each other and knowing that we're not alone. It makes the normies a little braver, and those normies are the ones who can throw money at problems to help. They'll sign petitions to get things on the ballot and then show up to vote, fwiw. They put a good face up against "oMg TeRrOrIsT!" rhetoric. It's something, at least.
Amish_Robotics_Lab@reddit
I'd have liked them to be more visible, but we do that for a reason. We bring kids and dogs to protests, we often have music, we smile and wave. We are your neighbors and we want to be your friend. We do not have a molecule of cruelty in us.
The other side is always viciously angry, they ooze resentment and aggression, their main method of social interaction is condemnation and making threats.
Who would you rather hang out with?
Th3_Admiral_@reddit
I mean, I get what you are going for, but I just don't feel like it's going to change anything. Telling the government "Stop being fascist or we'll have another picnic" doesn't seem like the most powerful message to me.
Amish_Robotics_Lab@reddit
That's...not the message we're sending and it's not the message they're hearing. It's the message you are hearing but you are no threat to me so it's cool.
Th3_Admiral_@reddit
I wasn't trying to be a threat to you so I guess that's cool too? I could be an ally to you, but a bounce castle isn't really going to draw me away from the "remain obscure and look out for your own survival" mindset.
What exactly is the message you are sending? And similarly, what is the message they are hearing?
Amish_Robotics_Lab@reddit
Sorry, I was not insinuating you are a threat to me or anybody. I was saying that while you interpret protests as useless affectations, that is not how the government interprets them. And you, Admiral, will never try to send me to a concentration camp or Salvadoran torture prison so it does not matter to me if you don't get it. : )
Sometimes I am obtuse when writing, I'm working on that. Thanks for your time and attention.
Th3_Admiral_@reddit
I just mentioned it in another comment, but I disagree with you about how the government interprets these protests. Neither the republican governor of our state, nor the republican representatives or senators, nor the republican president or anyone in his administration were bothered by these picnics. Things have only ramped up since then with absolutely zero end in sight.
Another user mentioned that the government either wants violence they can respond to or for people to stay home and do nothing so they can continue uninterrupted. Well as far as I can tell, a fun picnic with music and games is as effective as staying home. It doesn't bother the government in the slightest. It doesn't bother businesses or apathetic citizens or anyone else. For all they care you could have a picnic every weekend.
I feel like for a protest to be effective in any way, it needs to be large, visible (not in a secluded park), and if not outright disruptive then at least unavoidable. It needs to be something where the nightly news can't avoid discussing it.
scottyjrules@reddit
If they weren’t bothered by these protests they wouldn’t have worked so hard to discredit them before they happened.
jmnugent@reddit
Unless I'm misreading.. I think parent-comments point was:
What authoritarians want is for people to cower at home, scared and in-active. ,.. but they also want people to lash out knee-jerk emotional responses (which might incite violent repression).. so the goal is to avoid going to either of those extremes.
Th3_Admiral_@reddit
But...they are a threat to us? Like I am legitimately scared about the direction the country is going and feel like things could get very bad very quickly, and may already be past that point in some areas. This protest was around the time the ICE raids really started ramping up. Imagine your family or friends just got swept away by masked government agents to an unknown location. Your community rallies together in response, and their message to the government is "We're going good, thanks!"
Yes, I believe the government absolutely wants violence. But I also think they are completely unbothered by picnics in the park. In case you haven't noticed, things have only ramped up since then.
jmnugent@reddit
Don't disagree with you,. but I also don't think that changes my answer above.
Cowering at home won't solve this problem.
reacting emotionally or hyperbolically (playing into their escalation to violence).. also isn't something we want.
So we have to find some innovative "middle-path" to navigate to resist,. and do so in ways that skillfully try to avoid whatever damage we can,. and simultaneously find ways to "deflate their balloon".
I kind of think of it like a video-game "Boss level".. where you've on a moving platform and you have to jump around and hit the Boss in specific areas to take away his power before you can land the final blow.
The more Trump and his cronies try to stand at a podium ranting about "violent lefties".. while News coverage just shows people dancing around in inflatable Giraffe costumes,. just continues to highlight how out to lunch they are and detached from reality. Especially here in Portland Oregon. The more pictures and videos we post about "boring, calm every day normal life".. takes the wind out of their narrative when they try to claim that "Portland is a crime ridden hellscape".
To neutralize the threat,. you have to delegitimize it. That can take many forms.
Th3_Admiral_@reddit
I don't disagree with you either, but I'm worried that simply doesn't matter anymore. They don't need to seem legitimate. They don't need actual violence to send in the military, they've already done that. Yes, I'm sure it would make things even easier for them if protestors started chucking rocks and Molotov cocktails at the National Guard, but if that doesn't happen they are still going to crack down on the protests anyway. They have willing governors, a loyal Congress, and a Supreme Court that will support it.
jmnugent@reddit
At a certain point it matters. If there's video coming in from cities all around the USA where NG or Military are just shooting grandmas in wheelchairs for no reason,. at a certain point the outrage of that will make a difference. At some point there's no way for them to avoid being seen as the bad guys.
Pile on top of that their sheer incompetence,.. as:
prices keep rising
and government services continue shrinking and shutting down
as farmers across the heartland keep having rising numbers of bankruptcies
as diseases start to run rampant because CDC etc is broken and ineffective
.. at a certain point all those things start to collectively add up. I don't know if that will "make them seem illegitimate".. or maybe "incompetent".. or maybe some other adjective. But it will start having an effect.
ThrowawayRage1218@reddit
So, here's my question:
You get your wish. The NG is just a bunch of thugs shooting at grandmas. The country at large see them as the bad guys and call them the bad guys...
And then what?
Like...they're not going to stop being the bad guys just because more people are calling them the bad guys. They're not going to leave office just because we're calling them incompetent bad guys, and they're making it pretty clear they're going to rig the elections if they allow them to happen at all. So what then? More picnics?
jmnugent@reddit
Can't say I know a clear answer to that, .as with many things surrounding Trump,. we're kind of in uncharted waters.
Although I would recommend reading the Wikipedia page on the 1970 Kent State shootings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings) .. especially the section about "Aftermath" how it describes Pres Nixon as "pretending indifference" and "the Nixon Administration reacted with "wanton insensitivity".
The reaction then was 100,000 protestors in DC,. and remember this was in 1970 when the US population was approximately 200 million,.. compared to now where it's roughly 350 million (and arguably much more diverse).
There's also a ton more technology and social media now than there was in 1970, quite obviously.
So it's hard to say what will happen or how particular sections of the the resistance movements will evolve. Personally I think the resistance side of things probably can't or won't be the only factor that brings change. I think Trump administration's sheer incompetence of its sycophant hires will probably also be a large component. They can't keep prompting "Make America GREAT again".. as soybeans can't be sold and SNAP benefits are ending and homelessness is rising and Banks are failing and the stock market is dropping and and and and ... as those types of things accumulate weight and speed, it will become an unmanageable mess (at which point I personally think most of them will try to hide and evade and escape and just leave others to clean up the mess, as they always do)
ThrowawayRage1218@reddit
The difference between Kent State and now is massive. Healthcare tied to employment, weak or nonexistant unions, and wage stagnation in the face of historic inflation means many people can't take off to travel across the country to D.C. Hell, scheduling protests on weekends is the only way you can get a significant turnout at all.
Elected representatives have forgotten who hired them. No amount of writing to your rep or yelling at them or picketing outside their office does anything. My rep, in fact, lied to our faces about his vote on the Big Beautiful Bill. I vote in every primary and every election from municipal to federal and I have yet to see anything close to my views represented; only the lesser of two evils.
Nixon, remember, was also forced to resign over a single political scandal. This president has scandal after scandal, led an insurrection in the capitol, and was not only allowed to run for office but was in fact re-elected.
The system is irreparably damaged. Protest was once the agreement to compromise between being beaten down, and dragging politicians out of their homes. That's been forgotten by both sides. So when we get to a critical mass of people who are able and willing to go protest in D.C., that's going to be when people are starving and are out of every other option. By which point it will be far too late. People know he's the bad guy. Literally the only people who don't are the ones gleefully cheering the black bagging of immigrants.
Permitted and peaceful protest doesn't do anything except say "we don't like this thing." It hasn't done anything for a long time, because politicians realized they could jerrymander and lie and appeal to populism and fear so they can get reelected without actually doing anything. Social media and the 24/7 news cycle ensures that people forget whatever they were mad about within about two weeks. So when we get to a critical mass of people protesting, banks are failing and the stock market is dropping and the billionaires are ruling from abroad, and the politicians don't give a shit because there's nothing we can do about it...what then?
jmnugent@reddit
Again,. Can't say I know the answer to that. (I don't have a Time Machine to see the future).
The one thing we have to remember is that humans are human. Doesn't matter if you're an immigrant or a police office or a corrupt politician,.. you still eat and breath and need water and sanitation and sleep and etc. As things slowly get worse (SNAP benefits end, food shortages exacerbate, new home construction grinds to a halt, stock market keeps dropping, etc).. the pressure will also continue to mount. ICE will find it pretty difficult to plan random raids if there's no gas for their cars.
It will become increasingly difficult for politicians to stand there saying "everything is fine".. when things are clearly not fine.
This is why many of the protest movements focus on messages of "local community resilience". In any sort of natural disaster or emergency,. odds are generally 80% to 90% that your neighbors are the only resource you'll have (as emergency services will quickly be overwhelmed).
You guys keep framing the protest as a "single event". You're viewing it wrong. The protest is certainly about sending a visible message,. but it's also just as much about seeing people around you and "building community". If an individual feels alone and isolated in their beliefs ,. but then goes to a protest and see's 40,000 other people around them,.. that re-affirms to them that they aren't alone. it will motivate and empower them to keep going.
No Kings protests are not some simple light switch flip of "flick",. everything is fixed. Remember things like the Civil Rights Movement took a decade or more. And the moments of "resistance" took all sorts of forms.
ThrowawayRage1218@reddit
I'm not questioning the power of community or solidarity. Those things are great and will indeed help people. I'm questioning how far you think peaceful protest and picnics will get us as, as you say, food, housing, and gas becomes scarcer and more expensive.
thankyoueverso@reddit
Sadly, exactly all of this.
MrDKoser13@reddit
Neither
Striper_Cape@reddit
And yet, Porn Monitor Mike called it Unamerican.
Zealousideal-Yak-824@reddit
Because it hurts Trump feelings. It is performance rage, the same kinda of rage Dems used when they claim they can't do anything but demand 5 dollar donations so they can start doing something some time later like sending a strongly worded letter.
At most, Republicans only care about it is because of the sheer turnout
BSDArt@reddit
And what actual purpose did it serve? I've really struggled lately with understanding what good any protest serves beyond a bunch of people showing up and proving they don't like something. What is the expected result? I'm clearly stupid to the concept and have never been to one. Is it in hopes that enough voices or show in numbers will change a local politician's stance? I'm asking this seriously from an uneducated perspective.
Thebunkerparodie@reddit
with that metric, because a gov doesn't listen, it mean protesting is useless when no, it shows not everyone is ok with what the government is doing and it shows opposition does exist too , not doing anything against a fascist regime would enable it to keep going
SeaWeedSkis@reddit
I am hoping that it has an impact in the political leader who is obsessed with crowd sizes. But realistically, what I see it doing is giving us the ability to see how many people agree with us and haven't given up.
But yeah, they're not very impactful IMO.
Amish_Robotics_Lab@reddit
I'm pretty sure Elon Musk paid attention to the Indivisible protests. We cost him tens of billions in lost sales, tanked his stock, made it clear he is a scrambling desperate barnacle rather than some omniscient deity. Had the Attorney General take to the podium absolutely squealing to try to protect him, to no effect.
That is a lot for protests that serve no purpose. I spent two hours protesting at the Tesla dealership here. Three hours if you include the sign I made. Excellent return on investment.
Mike Johnson and the right wing noise machine were hysterically condemning No Kings six days before it is even scheduled to occur, they were given marching orders and scripts last Sunday. That is a LOT of spin. They are desperate to control the narrative and get out in front of the media framing.
If protests serve no purpose, why are they in such a swivet?
It is because Americans who respond to authoritarians with enthusiasm seem to be around 12-15% of adults. They are highly engaged, they are incredibly loud, and they have most of the MSM subjugated by now. But they are few and they are weak. They know this. That is why they are so obviously terrified.
Protests are how we make them alter their strategy. When is the last time you heard from Elon?
pyewacket209@reddit
Yeah, really. He learned to go back to his own existence.
Downtown_Statement87@reddit
One huge thing it did was suck up all the oxygen from Trump's big-boy birthday parade.
Instead of talking about that, the main coverage was about how towns too small for Dollar Stores were big enough to see through Trump, and the contrast between his big day and everyone else's was pretty stark. The fact that it ruined his birthday was also very useful.
As a protest it didn't do much at all. But as a symbolic fuck you to Trump from all different types of people from all over America on a day that was supposed to celebrate him, it was very successful.
A bunch of things about this country make it hard for protests to be very effective. That's probably by design.
BSDArt@reddit
Good point. That was the first protest I considered for this exact reason.
Extension-Zone6237@reddit
Protests allow like minded people to meet. We are in the social media age and appearances are important. So, a picture showing a peaceful crowd of protesters exercising their first amendment right to free speech with no provocation or reason for arrest of the protesters contrasted with the militarized police ready for violence can provide a powerful visual representation of the situation. It’s hard to paint someone as a violent person if they are unarmed and displaying pro social behavior. The administration is concerned about appearance. The goal is to incite violence to justify retaliation. With enough visual evidence that it’s the government being violent and picking on people, public opinion slowly changes. We’re at the mere beginning of this. At some point, this will escalate, but right now the point is to disrupt the story that protestors are the problem and require accountability- ask the question, why is this administration afraid of a bunch of old hippies in costumes?
BSDArt@reddit
OK, I can see that having some affect. Thanks.
piercesdesigns@reddit
If your voice did not matter then why do they want to silence it?
BSDArt@reddit
I get what you're saying, but to me it just feels like they could care less about any number of voices. Tomorrow is the 3rd No Kings protest. The only thing I've seen since the last two is things getting worse. I'm certainly not saying to give up and roll over, but it seems like protesting isn't enough to get anything done. I don't disagree with it either. It's certainly a public form of bringing awareness to things, but I think people already know how they feel, which side they're on, etc., so what else is it gaining us?
gard3nwitch@reddit
Protests of this sort are basically the training wheels level of resistance. People need to start with training wheels. Some of them will only ever do that, but other people will pick up a flyer about how to get involved in their local ICE rapid response team or whatever, they'll join an organization and do more.
Ms_Grieves@reddit
If we do not exercise our rights to protest or peacefully assemble, and show them we are displeased/pissed/against their fascist shit, we may soon lose those rights.
CharmingCowpie@reddit
I think it’s very important for people in conservative areas to come out, expecting no one to show up, and see people in their community giving up a Saturday to attend.
I think these rallies give people hope that they aren’t alone. We will never have change if everyone gives up.
Raygaholic420@reddit
Take a look at the GOP response. You may not see the point. But it's hard to write it off as a fringe element when you have grandmas in walkers and people with families. They're scared. If you're in a hurry to get into an altercation with fascists go to Portland , LA or Chicago.
SoftlySpokenPromises@reddit
I saw another one that was basically a light up roller rink with costumes. Seems like a good time honestly.
Downtown_Statement87@reddit
During the George Floyd protests our mayor teargassed people who were just sitting on a sidewalk, and the boogaloo buttheads showed up bristling with automatic rifles and trying to incite the crowd to violence against "the man" until we literally chased them out of town.
It was scary and intense, so when my 79-year-old mom wanted to make the first No Kings protest her very first protest ever, I was nervous. I told her all the things I've read about what to do and not do and what I've learned from being in marches that devolved into deadly melees. The stuff I was describing was very specific and very ominous sounding.
Then we get there, and she knows everyone because they are all from her liberal Episcopal church and/or the folks from the friends of the library book sale. They're chatting and dancing and laughing about who has the best sign. It felt like a pep rally. There was a guy making balloon animals, and a food truck.
Aside from not dismantling fascism, it also made me sound like the bloated old guy at the end of the bar who took the team to state back in the day.
"No, really, mom, there was teargas. And big guns. We had to run. I'm telling you, it was scary."
"I know, honey. I know," my mom kept saying in between all the photos people kept dragging her into.
She's not going to this one and is instead focusing her efforts on deciding which of our local forests is most suitable for partisan snipers.
Amazing_Shirt_Sis@reddit
I like your mom. She sounds like a cool lady.
Downtown_Statement87@reddit
I am really fortunate in the mom department, and boy do I know it!
First_last_kill@reddit
Now you know what happened with the trucker convoy in Canada . They had paid government workers testify about the trauma of horns honking.
Wers81@reddit
That’s very cool I would love our local indivisible to do something like that.
RampantTyr@reddit
We need to learn from France how to protest. But I understand not wanting to risk being fired and cut off from healthcare or going to prison and having your life ruined. The American system is designed to prevent real protest.
N0-Chill@reddit
This is how protest NEED to be. There’s a reason peaceful protesting works. If it’s not clear, this administration absolutely wants people to act out so to justify increasingly authoritarian/fascist action. Forcing their hand when it’s completely in the wrong on their part breaks this illusion of appropriate forceful response and if anything draws even more awareness to their encroachment.
unlcHallMonitor@reddit
The leftist are right in that, historically, change doesn’t happen without being disruptive. But on the other hand, the authoritarians in charge are waiting for that disruption to clamp down even harder. It feels like we’re currently stuck between a rock and hard place. Do we go for it and be disruptive with potentially empowering the authoritarians in charge? Or do we continue with peaceful protests? The only thing that will actually change things is a large scale general strike. But they have us by the balls with our health and livelihood tied to employment. So unless a majority of us participate in said general strike, it will just hurt those participating.
PattiBurns101@reddit
Did you protest against National Guard Kent State shooting? I did. Does this rally include locking up Trump, Netanyahu and Zelensky ? They think they're Kings of the World. Two won't stop attacking countries and killing people and the other is pocketing our donated money.
Creepy-Cantaloupe951@reddit
That's what the Grand Old Pedos are hoping for.
lunaslave@reddit
Naah, they're hoping for total passivity. They're afraid of an all-out fight, because they know they won't win it. They tell us this every day, every time they try to consolidate their power by preying upon the most vulnerable in society-because they don't yet have the strength to take on strength.
Hefty_Development813@reddit
I think you are right, but the problem is that if you corner an animal with overwhelming force, it is very likely to lash out at you as aggressively as possible right before it is overpowered. They currently have the legal violence monopoly and ICE actions show they aren't afraid to use it. We might be in for a rough ride, even if we prevail in the end. I expect some sort of aggressive response, at least at the capitol
americend@reddit
They're hoping for it because they think they'll be able to control it, but that's not true. We should hope for it precisely because it could get out of control in such a way that it produces real change.
platyponius@reddit
Leftists have a degree of respect by now. We disagree on tactics, we have our criticisms, and our cautions, but these protestors are putting skin in the game and walking the walk even if it's small steps. Protests are the closest thing we have to a lib-to-left pipeline anyway.
It looks like a trap has been set in many cities for this one though. May the protestors prevail, whatever ends up happening.
Dasylupe@reddit
They are sending in the guard hoping to incite violence as a pretext for retaliation.
bAcENtiM@reddit
I’m glad those people are being silenced. It’s not effective and will only inflame the situation further. Non-violent, de-escalating strategies are the way to go.
TannerCreeden@reddit
you aint lying i was shocked just how many old (50+) folks were there it felt like half the crowd and then just people with kids
No-Abalone-4784@reddit
People weren't really worried about the Insurrection Act being invoked then.
light-triad@reddit
No Kings type of protests are much more effective than the type those particular leftists want. It’s all about media attention. No Kings generates lots of positive coverage because of how peaceful it is. The only thing the type of protests those people want accomplished is generating videos of burning cars Fox News can use to scare their base. I can assure you the Trump administration is not imitated by those videos.
techtornado@reddit
50501 banned me for using basic logic…
Toolatethehero3@reddit
Well Republicans are itching to just gun them down and are putting heavily armed troops with no civil law enforcement experience everywhere precisely to generate the kind of violent and tragic incident that gives them excuse to murder and arrest hundreds all while claiming it’s a ‘rebellion’ of some kind.
Wers81@reddit
Indivisible is much better
Amish_Robotics_Lab@reddit
All the No Kings protests are organized by Indivisible chapters.
Next-Age-9925@reddit
Indivisible is great and they are the ones hosting it in the major city I live in.
bikumz@reddit
I mean event staff shooting and murdering someone is pretty disruptive I’d say, right?
sumdude51@reddit
I've been to two, can confirm
Average-Joe-6685@reddit
Non-violence starves the machine.
aurmza@reddit
Spot on.
onyxengine@reddit
Talk about the general strike at the no kings protest
Otherwise-Offer1518@reddit
Don't talk about it. Tell everyone to do it. Starting tomorrow. Everyone should be staying home.
Souledex@reddit
God have you ever read a book?
americend@reddit
The id is the only thing that can get us out of here, you know. The French Revolution wasn't planned beforehand, and neither will the next revolution be.
Souledex@reddit
No it wasn’t, please explain why it happened- and why those reasons are related to why you think anything remotely similar could happen here now?
americend@reddit
I don't think it's necessary to do any of that. We are seeing the same sequence of riots/uprisings, political polarization, and declining state capacity that we saw on the leadup to the French revolution (and have seen on the leadup to many others). That alone is enough to convince me revolution is possible, even if the causes would obviously be different. The French Revolution does not have a monopoly on revolution; plenty have happened without an ongoing famine.
You just outed yourself as having no idea what you're talking about. Go ahead and research the history of revolutions since 1789. It's pretty obvious that no one thinks they're pointless, they happen all the fucking time. The fact that you think it's a choice, something that people plan, or something that people's opinions matter about reveals that you are out of your depth. Revolutions are produced out of compulsion of circumstance. People believing they are or are not possible is irrelevant.
Souledex@reddit
It took until 1848 for the rest of Europe to try revolutions dumbass.
americend@reddit
So your point is that the French Revolution did not stop revolutions from happening, contrary to what your post was saying? You gotta learn to sit down and shut up.
Souledex@reddit
Forever? No. Just 3 generations.
It just went so bad everyone thought revolutions wouldn’t work- then the next time at least half the smart people thought they wouldn’t work so they didn’t. And in 1848 most revolutions failed in their stated goals resulting in a win for neoabsolutism. Which is why kings still existed as heads of government for 3/4ths of Europe until world war 1.
americend@reddit
And then after WWI they started succeeding in a big way. You can disagree and argue that Russia, China, etc. should have kept their landed aristocracies, or that Mexico should have never carried out land reform, or whatever else you want to say to wipe away their gains, but we categorically disagree. Each revolution brought horrors, but they were not purely horror, and life did meaningfull improve for a great many.
Souledex@reddit
Yes, and they got way worse for a great many more- people in China’s lives didn’t materially improve until Deng Xiao Ping dealt with America. Revolutions are a gamble and incredibly dependent on people going hungry or having their lives get way worse to start successfully. Also on having the de facto capitol be the primate city, having a sizeable portion of the armed forces and police be on the side of the protestors, we could keep going but we are already so far from anyone not whining on reddit even being interested in starting one.
I care about progress and change, that’s why I read about it and don’t believe in meme history.
americend@reddit
Deng Xiaoping's reforms would not have been possible without the achievements of the Maoist period. That's what you folks with the one-sided "revolution bad" point of view struggle to understand.
If you think indistrialization is a good (if brutal) thing, if you think that modern industry is worth having and makes peoples lives better, you have to face the fact that not just any form of social organization can make it happen. Without the dispossession of landed elites and organized redistribution of industrial infrastructure out of Manchuria, tasks which were carried out in the Maoist period, the Chinese miracle would have been unthinkable.
You want to separate the good from the bad in history in a way that's simply not possible. I'm happy to accept decades of war and mass deaths if it opens up the possibility of a better world. Far better to step into the void to grasp freedom than to suffer limitation and indignity out of a fear of death.
Regardless, it doesn't really matter if revolutions are a good or bad idea, because again, they happen against the will of leaders and even their participants. There are historical forces at work that are larger than any leader or party. Liberals and their voluntaristic theory of history fail to understand this, to their humiliation.
Souledex@reddit
I did the reading for a living for a while, if you had too you wouldn’t try to argue all revolution is automatically good.
Deng’s reforms were in spite of at least 2/3rds of the work done in Mao’s period. They were not necessary, he didn’t do what the soviets did. Other people eventually figured it out and tried to work it out under his nose and many were killed for doing that until he died… there’s problems with the rest but if you are proceeding from the assumption institutions have no value but revolution always turns out okay without assigning a reading list you aren’t going to change your view of all of history. Your username tells us all what you want to believe and I don’t have a month to change that.
Maybe read “seeing like a state” it’s a decent representation of the kind of problems I’m describing. I’m interested if you have any recommendations too.
Otherwise-Offer1518@reddit
God you must have been horrible at your job.
Otherwise-Offer1518@reddit
Several. That's when it's too late. We need a nationwide strike and protest. Being a coward does not improve our situation.
Souledex@reddit
Being a “hero” doesn’t either. Doing the work does. Are you developing a labor focused for a general strike with a specific stated goal? Or just quitting your job til the vibes improve?
Otherwise-Offer1518@reddit
You okay? Do you not understand how a general strike works seriously? I've been looking for a job since being a federal employee is no longer a guarantee. So yeah. I guess I am waiting for the "vibes" to improve. Can bring anything to the table other than being a condescending jack ass? Or is that the only "vibes" you have.
Souledex@reddit
Yes I do know what a general strike is. They have stated demands as well as an organizing principle and a culture which is why unlike most protests they serve a purpose.
As well they don’t start when individuals decide, they start when labor unions decide, and typically in response to a specific political action or a single ongoing policy. Not just everything in general. Maybe go to the library, I wish I had more time to focus on labor history and the history of resistance right now.
Weakly_Obligated@reddit
Yeah seriously nobody is willing to risk themselves for the cause, but unless we do something like a general economic strike its over and these protests wont do shit
ThrowawayRage1218@reddit
"The" general strike? Is there one with legitimate planning going on? I haven't heard about it.
onyxengine@reddit
Generalstrikeus.com is trying to organize one. We the idea circulating more frequently in more minds.
We’re at the concentration camps stage of fascism already. We need collective action.
SeaWeedSkis@reddit
Collective action requires both collective and action. We don't have collective. People aren't in agreement with what should be done, and they don't have support networks in place to help each other through the economic realities of a strike.
ThrowawayRage1218@reddit
I agree with you! Wasn't challenging the effectiveness of a general strike, but in today's American it would be extremely difficult to organize so I was looking for resources. Thanks!
NoStoneUnturned44@reddit
I went and didn’t see a single guard member so I’m thinking he was just trying to scare us into not going.
Captjimmyjames@reddit
Title should have read, "Hot Wheels orders...."
TraditionalEye3239@reddit
Nothing screams authoritarianism like deploying the military because a protest protected under the constitution is happening and it's about things you don't like
NotChoPinion@reddit
Its not even about the protestors. Its the fake agitators that are paid to burn it down that show up later.
FleaMarketSocialist@reddit
No one burns down for the love of the art anymore ;(
Southern-Tomatillo91@reddit
Damn I didn’t know I could get paid
Mason_Miami@reddit
Can't say as he was really elected he was just the next Republican nepo-baby in line to be gerrymandered into office.
I bet he doesn't like No-Kings protests because that's what he is.
LankyGuitar6528@reddit
From what I've seen I don't think those guys are in shape enough to take on a frog.
Novel_Paramedic_2625@reddit
myerslowe@reddit
Talk about waste of money!!!! These MAGA pols are contemptible.
R2-DMode@reddit
This is good, right? Didn’t Dems decry the lack of National Guard troops on January 6?
Otherwise-Offer1518@reddit
What about, what about, what about.
You sound ridiculous.
R2-DMode@reddit
Can you answer the question?
regularbusiness@reddit
Trump was prez Jan 6th. Why didn't he deploy the national guard?
R2-DMode@reddit
So you feel the National Guard was OK then, but it now? Why?
regularbusiness@reddit
Whoosh...ya hear that? That's my point going right over your head.
R2-DMode@reddit
Cool. No answer to the question?
ThrowawayRage1218@reddit
Because a bunch of rioters were breaking into the Capitol building, smearing shit on the walls, and threatening the lives of elected officials.
This is a bunch of old people and young families expressing their opinion in a park, as is their constitutional right.
R2-DMode@reddit
The last “No Kings” bullshit we had here in Vegas, they blocked traffic, vandalized businesses, and attacked cops. Not sure where in the Constitution it grants any rights to rioters.
However, this time, our law enforcement will have a zero tolerance policy for ANY bullshit. The No Kings agitators will be missing work next week if they behave in a similar fashion today.
forestcridder@reddit
You got to be dumber than a box of rocks or deliberately obtuse. You know God damn well the Dems had no power to send the national guard so the "want" is irrelevant. Turn this around and ask yourself why does Trump suddenly want to send the guard NOW and not before when the government building was being trespassed on and members of the government were in danger. Nobody's in danger during these no kings protests.
Otherwise-Offer1518@reddit
No. It was afterward that the thought crossed anyone's mind. Then it was all "Why did he not call in the guard?" Trump blamed the city mayor, then blamed Pelosi. So no. It wasn't until after the fact. But thanks for attempting to rewrite history facist prick.
R2-DMode@reddit
Cry harder, lib cuck.
forestcridder@reddit
Every single one of their questions is a loaded question. They aren't looking for the truth. They're trying to win an argument. I would suggest not to engage but I would be a hypocrite in that regard. If they aren't a bot, then they are good a good troll.
forestcridder@reddit
Why are you comparing the no kings protest with a bunch of morons vandalizing and trespassing on government property with the intent to disrupt an election? These two events are polar opposites.
R2-DMode@reddit
So law and order should be applied selectively? Why?
thisagaingm@reddit
Breaking into a federal building, destroying public property, and assaulting police are all crimes.
A non-violent protest that has not even happened yet is not.
These things are not remotely equivalent.
R2-DMode@reddit
I’ve been seeing violence from anti-ICE agitators all week. Why will today be any different?
thisagaingm@reddit
R2-DMode@reddit
LOL! Yeah, I’ll be the one determining my own experiences. 🤡
forestcridder@reddit
"Loaded question is a form of complex question that contains a controversial assumption
Such questions may be used as a rhetorical tool: the question attempts to limit direct replies to be those that serve the questioner's agenda."
R2-DMode@reddit
How many questions are you going to continue to deflect?
forestcridder@reddit
When will you ask a question with the intent to find truth? Convince me that you're not a bot.
R2-DMode@reddit
I have neither the time nor the inclination to convince you of jack shit. Stay dumb.
MenaFWM@reddit
Moronic comment
R2-DMode@reddit
Care to explain?
MinimumPreparation55@reddit
No
R2-DMode@reddit
No surprised there.
Vegetable-King7626@reddit
Nothing says your a guilty piece of shit like deploying the national guard to protect yourself/s from the ANTI KING protests
These dumbasses are scared because they are complicit
bhauls@reddit
Good. Shows how scared they are. Release the Epstein files
Coco05250905@reddit
Texas Governor is a disgusting human. Texas are you really behind this un American, racist?
BeefonMars@reddit
No kings protest = LOL
tmwdd85@reddit
Abbott is a Nazi loving pedophile supporter. Republicans are suckers.
tmwdd85@reddit
Abbott is a Nazi loving pedophile supporter. Republicans are suckers.
PrepperIntel-ModTeam@reddit
Your posting was considered Non-constructive under rule 5 of r/PrepperIntel by the mods and has been removed.
Filmguygeek1@reddit
Isn’t he a Nazi? They will probably have ICE masquerading as Antifa to start trouble then escalate against a peaceful protest. Don’t put it past them!
fairoaks2@reddit
AntiKing rally. Texas is a Nazi state
techtornado@reddit
No it’s not… None of the US states are
Trinculo7@reddit
Trump Admin needs unrest to further their goals, so they’re gonna make some unrest
AlienInUnderpants@reddit
Wake up Texas - this is the fascist you want running your state?
He’s going after liberals now but wait until EVERYONE’S rights are being curtailed.
Ornery-Atmosphere930@reddit
Texas is gerrymandered to hell. It’s fair to say that the government is not accurately representing the will of the people.
TomT060404@reddit
The_Vee_@reddit
Go for it. Waste that money.
MPFields1979@reddit
I hate that DEI hire Gov. Abbott.
Trifang420@reddit
The national guard are as close to a normal citizen that there is in the military, should be fine. Hopefully they don't hand pick maga nuts for the deployment...
Antique_Maybe_8324@reddit
“No balls hotwheels” condemns democracy in action.
I’m disappointed the tree don’t finish its job.
30 years of repugnant Republican leadership in Texas, how did that 4th of July deluge suite ye?
(I’m actually still upset by this occurrence, woulda helped to have a fully manned weather dept, or maybe those flood warning sirens that were paid for and never emplaced)
And to you my fellow veterans, the VA won’t help with PTSD, but there have been advancements.
“In Waves and War” out soon (Nov-ish) The tale of SEALs, PTSD, psychedelics and the road to “home”.
Canada, Mexico, and Australia now have the lead on that front. Message me direct if you need answers. Not a service. Freely done as my part of being “American”.
Blood-blood-blood@reddit
A little pre-emptive, no?
Excellent_Set_232@reddit
Your guard got sent home from Illinois and you’re calling it a “surge”
KingRBPII@reddit
Holy shit
TheDevilsTesticle@reddit
Such a stand up guy
Merlecollision89@reddit
Some people just need a leg up in this world. I bet he wouldn’t get out his chair and say that to my face!
CharmingMechanic2473@reddit
It’s an anti king rally.
Peterd90@reddit
Big tough fascist
No-Celebration6789@reddit
Let's see how Joe defends this next week..
EnvironmentalKey3858@reddit
Probably just won't mention it whatsoever
DaemonBlackfyre_21@reddit