Landmark global shipping deal in tatters after US pressure
Posted by Pootle001@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 22 comments
SS:
Another example of voracious capitalism doing exactly what it wants against the will of humans around the world.
"More than 100 countries had gathered in London to approve a deal first agreed in April, which would have seen shipping become the world's first industry to adopt internationally mandated targets to reduce emissions.
But President Trump had called the plan a "green scam" and representatives of his administration had threatened countries with tariffs if they had voted in favour."
HikmetLeGuin@reddit
Terrible. They just keep hammering more nails into the coffin of the human species (and countless non-human species).
Trump is a criminal, as are all obstructionists preventing humanity from dealing with climate change.
Wave_of_Anal_Fury@reddit
Another example of voracious capitalism doing exactly what it wants against the will of humans around the world.
Capitalism and consumerism are the same thing, just told from different perspectives. Capitalism is told from the perspective of the sellers, consumerism from the buyers. And when it comes to being voracious consumers, no country is more voracious than Americans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_consumer_markets
We make up roughly 20% of all dollars spent in the entire world with our 4% of the world population. The global economy would wither and die without Americans, and that's why so many countries are bowing down before Trump. They can't afford the shock to their economies if Americans suddenly stopped buying so many of their products because tariffs increased the price.
19inchrails@reddit
I know it's not rational, but I'm starting to hate Americans in general for voting this clown into office again
Proof-Cockroach-3191@reddit
I mean they rejected George Bush which costed millions of Iraqi lives there are plenty of times Americans have done something that is wrong this is not new
saltedmangos@reddit
But, but, this time it’s different. The Narco-terrorists in Venezuela have fentanyl of mass destruction. And surely the oil, uh, I mean people, will welcome us as liberators. /s
America has always been a gold plated sack of shit. Worse under Trump, yes, but it’s never been what the propaganda portrays it as.
Proof-Cockroach-3191@reddit
Exactly their government has done so many evil things
AdvanceConnect3054@reddit
You mean it is not the "City on the Hill" as generations of American leaders claim and millions of Americans believe
Someones_Dream_Guy@reddit
As you should.
La_Hyene911@reddit
LOL I still cant believe Americans elected this carnival barker not once but twice. Some days I wake up and think nah that did not happen but then I get a reality check listening to the radio with my morning tea...
MeateatersRLosers@reddit
I blame the American TV for dumbing down Americans to the extent it did. There were other factors, but they happily fed into peoples worst instincts.
pakZ@reddit
This country truly is our planet's cancer.
Bandits101@reddit
Why doesn’t a journalist ask Trump for evidence that climate change and mitigation efforts are a “green scam”. Why do they let him get away with crap all the time. Perhaps they may be just as ignorant.
-ummon-@reddit
Every month that goes by reinforces how consequential the last US election was for collapse. We were likely headed there regardless but now the foot is fully on the pedal. It makes me furious.
La_Hyene911@reddit
Yeah its like adding insult to injury, yeah it was going to happen but why does it have to be so humiliating... a geriatric frozen meat salesman from queens is in charge..
Frequent-Ad-6206@reddit
Ironically doesn’t this slightly delay collapse? This agreement was to further clean up shipping fuel, the less clean the fuel, the higher the particulates that are a negative forcing keeping us cool?
-ummon-@reddit
The BBC article doesn’t provide much insight but an extract from the Guardian is clearer:
“Representatives from most of the 176 member states of the International Maritime Organization (IMO), which governs global seafaring, are meeting at its headquarters in London for four days of talks. They are expected to approve new rules that would levy charges on ships based on their greenhouse gas emissions. The money raised would go to funding the transition to cleaner fuels for ships and to help developing countries.
The pricing mechanism could start operating from 2028, raising an estimated $10bn (£7.5bn) a year, and would be the first time that shipping companies had to pay for the damage they do to the climate. Shipping represents about 3% of global greenhouse gas emissions currently, but that is forecast to rise to 10% by mid-century.”
So this is about greenhouse gas emissions in general, not just sulfur in dirty fuel, so it certainly has a direct negative impact on collapse.
Low_Complex_9841@reddit
Aren't such measures just lead to bunch of companies raising their prices in chain and thus, well, pricing something out of reach of some segment of society but staying afloat and quite well as a system? Cost passed to customer ... if it was iphone some can delay bying, but if it was say food directly or indirectly ....
Man_Flu@reddit
We speed running this shit faster than any of us thought we would!
daviddjg0033@reddit
This will now delay the effects of climatr change due to less aerosols from global shipping. If there is no emmissions control the 105M barrels of oil are going to burn a day. Some of the ships will delay switching from high aerosol emitting bunker fuel. A trade off between less asthma versus less humans and plants and animals (ecocide) from CO2 at 430ppm and rising. Faustian bargain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deal_with_the_Devil Feel the effects sooner with cleaner fuel and by burning less biomass (the north pacific has been boiling) or later where the biomass will burn.
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The following submission statement was provided by /u/Pootle001:
SS: Another example of voracious capitalism doing exactly what it wants against the will of humans around the world.
"More than 100 countries had gathered in London to approve a deal first agreed in April, which would have seen shipping become the world's first industry to adopt internationally mandated targets to reduce emissions.
But President Trump had called the plan a "green scam" and representatives of his administration had threatened countries with tariffs if they had voted in favour."
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1o94sdf/landmark_global_shipping_deal_in_tatters_after_us/njznmcn/
Active-Pudding9855@reddit
They decided to wait another year. 🙄
Pootle001@reddit (OP)
SS: Another example of voracious capitalism doing exactly what it wants against the will of humans around the world.
"More than 100 countries had gathered in London to approve a deal first agreed in April, which would have seen shipping become the world's first industry to adopt internationally mandated targets to reduce emissions.
But President Trump had called the plan a "green scam" and representatives of his administration had threatened countries with tariffs if they had voted in favour."