Why Our Financial System will Soon Collapse
Posted by idreamofkitty@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 194 comments
Global warming will permanently and irreversibly shrink the global economy, causing complete financial system collapse.
Financial collapse will occur much sooner than most expect, because of the financial system's severe sensitivity to low-to-negative nominal GDP growth.
G2j7n1i4@reddit
So this article is in the slow collapse camp?
fedfuzz1970@reddit
The difference between the 2008/2009 banking crisis and now is changes made to the Dodd-Frank banking laws. Following that big bail-out, Congress made changes in banking law that puts individual customers on the hook if a bank collapses. It's called bail-in. The government will no longer bail-out troubled banks. Banks are now allowed to reclassify deposits as credit obligations of the bank and customers as unsecured creditors. FDIC $250,000 insurance (per account) will help but in a comprehensive failure, that money may run out. We will have to depend on the Trump Congress to refund the FDIC. I wonder how that will work out? In a bank failure, unsecured depositors will be at the bottom of the list behind such folks as derivative holders. Two banks in Cypress did the bail-in in the late 80's with depositors losing over 60% of their money. Don't believe me, Google bail-in and find out.
drunkenWINO@reddit
Right now crypto in a cold wallet or perhaps physical precious metal is the only why to mitigate bail ins but those come with other pros and cons.
PithyCyborg@reddit
I agree 100%.
I work as a newsletter editor and nearly have a stroke when I read the daily headlines.
But mainstream media DOES NOT talk about these hidden tidbits:
Massive commercial real estate bubble that nobody is talking about. (Deloitte)
Gold SKYROCKETING faster than ANYTHING I'VE SEEN.
USD losing 11% value THIS YEAR ALONE.
New job openings LOWEST since 2009. (BLS)
Top 10% of Americans account for FIFTY percent of spending. (Moody's)
US recession odds now 65-80% by year-end, with Q1 GDP already contracting 2.2%. (Forbes)
Household debt hits record $18.4 trillion, with credit card delinquencies surging to 12-year highs. (NYFed)
Corporate debt bomb: $1.8 trillion maturing in 2025-26 at double the refinancing rates. (SPGlobal)
Foreclosure filings spike 20% YoY, one in 1,402 homes now at risk nationwide. (ATTOM)
S&P 500 Shiller P/E at dot-com levels, signaling bubble ready to burst. (SeekingAlpha)
cassanderer@reddit
PE ratios are way too hogh especially on tech.
Key-Practice-8788@reddit
35% of gdp is AI spending and 28% of health insurance spending is on weight loss shots.
MavinMarv@reddit
Goes to tell you how lazy people are that they refuse to eat properly and exercise. I get it sometimes people have terrible genes or health conditions or both but if they don’t and they’re getting these shots to avoid proper diet and exercise just speaks volumes to how lazy people can be.
jedrider@reddit
Nor think for themselves (I.e. ai).
cassanderer@reddit
35 pc of gdp is ai? Spending on what? Chips and data centers?
Thay is trillions of dollars.
Key-Practice-8788@reddit
correct
DevilsPajamas@reddit
#10... when that AI bubble bursts, it is going to cause mass havoc. 80% of the gains in the stock market are contributed to AI.
HousesRoadsAvenues@reddit
I was just going to write this. A Collapse Redditor posted a huge blog post about this. I read it all the way through. The author of the blog post specified how this AI Bubble is working - and what a load of huey it really is.
DevilsPajamas@reddit
It is a massive circlejerk of companies/billionaires investing in eachother over unprofitable products. OpenAI (chatgpt) only had 4.3 billion in revenue first half of this year. They have commited to spend $1 trillion over the next 5 years to keep the grift running.
Oh and that revenue? Their operating losses were 7.8 billion over the same period.
These investors are going to position themselves in advance of the impending crash to nullify any losses in their portfolios. 401k holders and retail investors are gonna get shafted, as usual.
HousesRoadsAvenues@reddit
It is a mess, isn't it? Were you the poster who posted the blog post about this? If you are thank you for the initial link.
DevilsPajamas@reddit
No, i was not. I do follow things like this though.
HousesRoadsAvenues@reddit
No worries. I am glad to have read your comments AND the blog post I talked about. IMO this AI Bubble is an important economic issue.
DevilsPajamas@reddit
Well we are in the collapse subreddit.
I thought thing were gonna come crashing down years ago. I never expected things to last as long as they did.
HousesRoadsAvenues@reddit
Indeed we are. as we used to say around here, "Collapsniks" (sp).
Things have, IMO, accelerated, especially after COVID.
theStaircaseProject@reddit
If gold is being widely reported as skyrocketing, those who will profit most on it are most likely either already in or are preparing to sell. Be wary buying the news.
Now, shorting Christmas shopping…
whatislyfe420@reddit
I work in an industry that sometimes manufactures a product in gold and I can confirm prices are waaaaay up
theStaircaseProject@reddit
In past pump and dumps, I’ve noticed when the frenzy is the highest is usually the worse time to buy. Are you all able to adapt or is the gold more function than form?
HousesRoadsAvenues@reddit
Not to mention silver has increased to record levels. I am with you on shorting Christmas shopping. I give gift cards and DO NOT purchase anything for anybody anymore.
La_Hyene911@reddit
I cant wait to see the gold bubble crash too, its the most child like understand of how economics works. Its probably all the same morons who bought Dinhar after some face book rumor started about how orange going to equalize all currencies...
shastatodd@reddit
Unless the dollar/ american economy somehow rebounds... PMs will only become more valuable as the dollar collapses.
La_Hyene911@reddit
valuable for what ? gold is only useful for technology or making trinkets...
Away-Map-8428@reddit
wait until you get unbanked
La_Hyene911@reddit
LOL bring it on
Away-Map-8428@reddit
I'm not a bank. I'm also not one of the R's or D's who voted for HR 9495 last year to allow non profits to be deemed as terrorist supporters without evidence further setting up the ability for the government to debank citizens; which they have openly said they are looking into.
I have worked with sex workers who used crypto after being debanked. Sounded like shit when even email services will just delete you because of your profession.
Federal_Rope1590@reddit
If you are a central bank and you see the Russian central bank get 300 billion USD frozen because the President says so, gold reserves look really really nice.
Gniggins@reddit
You forgot about veblin value.
La_Hyene911@reddit
oh yeah after the collapse you ll need gold to get ladies, they just cant resist it...the real pussy magnet..
Federal_Rope1590@reddit
Gold rises following yield curve inversions. This happened in 2008 and 2020. This is reason alone for the price to increase. And it is happening now, along with other factors that are pushing the price higher.
Central banks are buying up gold because of the seizure of 300 billion Russian dollar reserves and trade war policies make USD reserves much less reliable to back their own currencies. Gold reserves cannot be frozen during sanctions. They are pretty much always transact-able.
And investors are buying up gold because European governments are entering fiscal crises where their treasury yields have skyrocketed. Japan is looking at pursuing quantitative tightening so that takes what used to be a reliable supply of liquidity for decades out of the global economy. Also, look at developing countries like Argentina going into severe crisis.
It will take time before gold settles down. It depends on the severity of the economic situation and whether quantitative easing happens. During the GFC it took until late 2011 for the price to start to settle and eventually deflate over the following years. During Covid Gold rose only over a couple months but stayed solid in that range until it began rising again during our current predicament starting in 2023.
whatislyfe420@reddit
Sooooooo what I’m hearing is dump my stocks and buy gold?
FlyingDiscsandJams@reddit
There is also a multi trillion dollar real estate "correction" i.e. drop in values coming related to the insurance crisis & climate change. Powell testified to congress early in the year about it.
sorrow_anthropology@reddit
My mortgage is up 60% ($850 to $1400/month) from last five years due to “insurance”, the reason I was given while shopping around for the cheapest rate was “wild fires and hurricanes”. My house isn’t at any risk for either, nor is it even close to a flood plane.
If it continues at the pace it has for the last 5 years I’ll be priced out with the cost of everything else skyrocketing around me. I’m already paying more to insure the house than I am on principle and interest.
realityhiphop@reddit
A majority of the flood damaged houses each year are not in a flood zone. The maps are out dated for our current climate.
sorrow_anthropology@reddit
I live in the middle of the desert, if rain even started becoming a problem my house is built on a rise. It’s flat flat, I can see the neighboring town 10 miles away from my back porch.
Noah himself would question god if told to build a boat here.
jjohnisme@reddit
Great, then maybe some of us will be able to afford houses and land again. Shit is stupid overinflated now.
Diablogado@reddit
...with what wages? 🤷♂️🤣😭
adrianipopescu@reddit
they don’t call’em occupy democrats for nothing
arbitrary_student@reddit
Thank you for stepping in to provide real numbers.
For those reading, the price of gold is a very strong indicator of the direction things are heading. Gold is considered a stable "base" for value because there's a limited supply and permanent need for it everywhere in the world - it functions as an asset that can never truly lose value and isn't tied to a particular currency.
When gold prices rise this fast, it means two things:
Investors are no longer confident in the economy and want to invest in the stability of gold instead
USD is inflating at a breakneck speed because gold largely reflects the 'true' value of currency (this is observed by the corresponding drop in the value of USD). That is to say, god price goes up + USD value goes down = rapid inflation
La_Hyene911@reddit
Yeah its just as fake as money capitalism s fallback plan. Gold is such a dumb peasant brained investment.. I d say after a real collapse seeds and knowledge would be way more useful than a shiny hunk of minerals. But what the fuck do I know maybe some alchemist will find a way to turn gold into food
Ragnarok314159@reddit
Gold is another pump and dump scheme because this is what voters in the USA wanted.
coredweller1785@reddit
Thank you for compiling this. Having trouble finding number 8. Im familiar with the situation just want to find more on it. Google is getting worse by the day. Thanks in advance
PithyCyborg@reddit
No problem.
Number 8 was actually published on FORBES, but they cited SBGlobal for the statistics.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2025/04/25/this-18-trillion-debt-bomb-will-flip-corporate-americas-playbook/
coredweller1785@reddit
Ahhh makes sense thank you
Conscious_Yard_8429@reddit
No AI generated content
Gyirin@reddit
Numbered lists existed before LLMs.
Conscious_Yard_8429@reddit
Perhaps but PithyCyborg is an AI newsletter
Funnyguyinspace@reddit
Point number 5 really stands out to me.
A lot of people seem to think UBI is inevitable when AI starts taking jobs..... they argue who will buy products if no one has money? The top 10% - they'll let the bottom 90% suffer, and you wont be able to rebel either because now theres a robot army to silence dissenters
Walkgreen1day@reddit
Elysium (2013) is the grand future for them.
PithyCyborg@reddit
I agree. Only the numbers will get worse.
I think before long, the top 1% will account for 90% of spending. (Or 99%.)
:/
jibrilmudo@reddit
Silver too now.
EvolutionaryLens@reddit
...and this list isn't exhaustive either.
HopefulBackground448@reddit
Look into the soil/farming situation. I will add a link.
Bigrat445@reddit
Thanks for putting the sources in 😎
acatinasweater@reddit
50% of Americans survive on just 1% of the nation’s wealth. It collapsed for half of us ages ago. Let’s bring down the guard tower now.
Bman409@reddit
if this were true, then its an argument against collapse
you're saying 50% of the American population lives consuming just 1% of the nation's wealth
if 50% were using 100%.. that would be a problem 50% , living on 1%, tells me the capacity is there to support a much greater population
Informal_Chemical_77@reddit
What logic is this? If you’re arguing for mass migrations to USA, then yeah, I’m with you.
Bman409@reddit
i'm not arguing for or against anything
I'm simply saying that if 50% of the population can survive on 1% of the wealth, you have a different problem and its not likely to lead to collapse
acatinasweater@reddit
There’s a difference between surviving for now and surviving long-term. Most of those 50%, the lumpen and precariat, are one emergency away from losing their housing and other necessities. Maybe you’re meaning that the lifestyle of the other 50% is so garish and lavish that that is a problem and we could agree there for sure.
R3ddit_Is_Soft@reddit
Their are serious flaws in this thinking. For one, to survive is not to thrive. Who the hell wants to just survive? Furthermore, it is of little consequence how the resources are distributed when we are operating so far beyond a level of sustainability. We could distribute everything evenly and it would still be overshoot. We could cut most of the waste of sloth and capitalism and it would still be overshoot. The only way for 8 billion people to make it work with what we've got is to drastically scale back the technological level of the average person, or drastically scale back our population, and perhaps even both.
Lagoon___Music@reddit
Hey man you're never allowed to disagree with anyone here. Similarly, only negative science posts are allowed and never any that show that things may take longer than expected.
Delete your comment and try again later.
AwayMix7947@reddit
Can you share some "positive" science on climate/ecosystem?
This is the first time I see someone describe peer-reviewed studies as "negative science".
Science is science, it's based on evidence.
Lagoon___Music@reddit
Global renewable energy generation surpasses coal for first time https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/oct/07/global-renewable-energy-generation-surpasses-coal-for-first-time
Average tree size across the Amazon has increased by ~3.2% per decade https://www.nature.com/articles/s41477-025-02097-4
Nature-based solutions can provide ~30% of mitigation needed to limit warming to 1.5 °C https://www.weforum.org/stories/2025/10/climate-and-nature-action-changing-new-mindsets-and-solutions/
Researchers accelerate “enhanced rock weathering” to remove CO₂ https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2025/10/08/enhanced-rock-weathering-carbon-capture/
States and regions increasing clean-energy penetration — good climate news for July 2025 https://www.lcv.org/blog/states-work-to-lower-energy-costs-and-increase-clean-energy-good-climate-news-for-july-2025/
Record renewable energy capacity added globally in 2024 https://www.deloitte.com/us/en/insights/industry/renewable-energy/renewable-energy-industry-outlook.html
Growth of clean energy in the U.S. through 2024 https://www.wri.org/insights/clean-energy-progress-united-states
Modelling study suggests Amazon rainforest is more resilient than assumed https://phys.org/news/2025-02-amazon-rainforest-resilient-assumed.html
Mapping multiple benefits in large-scale freshwater restoration projects in Europe https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2772411525000291
The fattening forest — trees of the Amazon are getting bigger https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/news/2025/the-fattening-forest-trees-of-the-amazon-are-getting-bigger
AwayMix7947@reddit
Some questions for you to dig deeper, if you really want to tumble down this rabbit hole.
1) why is fossil fuel usage still skyrocketing when the "clean" energy is booming?
2) the manufacturing of those so-called "clean" energy requires large amount of plastics. Where do plastics come from?
3) electricity only takes up about 20% of energy usage. So, even if we get total "clean" energy grid, say tonight, how do we solve the rest 80%? For example, what is the alternative for artificial fertilizer? Because the greatest emissions come from industrial agriculture.
AND.....Were you serious when you put world economic forum and the goddamn Washington post as "positive science"? The only link that counts as a scientific study is the second one, and we have known this for a long time: global warming initially brings a temporary "greening", a short growth for the trees, then they will all burn. Have you read your own links?
Oh, when I say peer-reviewed studies I mean like this one: Global warming in the pipeline. https://academic.oup.com/oocc/article/3/1/kgad008/7335889.
Creepy_Valuable6223@reddit
"Science is science, it's based on evidence."
Science is heavily affected by groupthink and the expectations of those who are funding it. Most of its results can't be replicated. It has value but mustn't be turned into a religion.
AwayMix7947@reddit
Do you happen to vote for the orange clown by any chance?
Creepy_Valuable6223@reddit
Not an actual response; an emotional response. That is not very scientific.
AwayMix7947@reddit
Of course it was an emotional response, I am someone who's in a religion. And clearly you're not.
Creepy_Valuable6223@reddit
Yes, that is correct. People don't actually need much to survive. It is funny that you are getting downvotes for being able to reason. Note: I'm not saying I want people to live on little; just saying that Bman is right that if 50 percent of all Americans are using 1 percent of resources, then we could have the whole population living on just 2 percent of resources (of course wealth isn't quite the same as resources).
Bman409@reddit
Thank you. The point is we aren't anywhere near a collapse, where the society literally doesn't have the resources to continue the civilization...food, water, energy etc
We have all of that in excess. I don't think these people actually understand what collapse is
Creepy_Valuable6223@reddit
indeed, wake me up when people actually start to carpool, like in the 1970s. Or mend their clothing.
Again, don't get me wrong, I think gross wealth differentials are socially corrosive. But that's a different matter.
Bman409@reddit
agreed.. things were much closer to collapse in the 70s when I was a kid... and much of that was due to squandering out resources in Viet Nam, with no return on that "investment"
misallocation of capital is the route cause of collapse imho.. We almost certainly have seen that in the US over the past 30 years..it may be starting to change .. or it may be too late.. we'll see
Creepy_Valuable6223@reddit
I think covid brain damage may do the trick. It makes people stupid and aggressive and causes them to lack empathy. Anything can happen in that situation.
arbitrary_student@reddit
The existence of sufficient resources is not going to prevent collapse, and it never has. If the resources aren't distributed to people who need them then the available amount is irrelevant.
The fact that so many survive on so little of the wealth is very dangerous for collapse because it means the entire population is extremely sensitive to system shocks. If prices surge abruptly, or if supply chains go down for a few days, there's no buffer for those people to fall back on. Collapse.
Bman409@reddit
without getting into a big argument, I disagree.
Collapse comes about because the civilization (people) no longer have what they need. It might be due to climate change drying up the water source.. or leading to crop failures. It might be to wars and pestilence leading to misallocation of funds and shrinking population.. things "collapse" because the resources just aren't enough stuff to sustain the civilization".. maybe pollution leading to poison water and dead soil, etc, etc.. ocean die off
in the US, what you're describing is a situation where there is more than enough for everyone, but its hoarded by a handful of people.. that leads to political change (either violent, or otherwise).. but that's not going to lead to collapse
you could have a situation where a society misallocates its resources into (for example) something nonproductive like AI instead of into roads, energy upgrades, food distribution, and other production... leading to a future shortage of necessary goods.. that is probably the path we are on
but having a mountain of food in the granery and starving people isn't going to lead to a collapse.. its more likely to lead to the people guarding the granery losing their heads
AwayMix7947@reddit
We are stealing all of that from the futute.
Read Overshoot ffs.
Karahi00@reddit
50% of Americans are absolutely not using 1% of resources. They control 1% of financial assets and liquidity as per private property law.
You state thus yourself in parentheses and yet you still somehow make a point as if you don't even really believe it, or as though it's just a minor accounting error and the Venn diagram of Financial and resource data is close enough to a circle that they might as well be interchangeable.
Most of the financially visible resources people use are not technically theirs because they, for example, rent it. Huge amounts of wealth is also arguably fake because much of it comes from inflated financial assets like, say, Tesla or Nvidia stocks. It's a game. It's not the real resource driven economy.
Conflating financial power with resource availability is an absolutely massive mistake to make and I don't know how people keep doing it. I can only surmise that the common man's brain is so fundamentally broken in by Capital, like a horse saddle-broken, that he didn't even think to question if there was a difference at all?
At any rate, the vast majority of resources are absolutely used by the working class globally. It doesn't matter how much money you have, it's impossible to eat the same number of steaks as 400 million average Americans.
The problem with wealth is more in terms of power and the ability to control governance, law, and how resources are produced and distributed with a great deal of conflict of interest.
The wealthy and powerful, to be clear, are still absolutely responsible to a vastly outsized degree since they control society and manipulate the lower classes.
imalostkitty-ox0@reddit
Imagine… that’s what the 0.01% who owns 90% of the wealth is saying…
ManticoreMonday@reddit
"another black rhino steak, Reginald?"
stasi_a@reddit
John Lennon approves
IIIIlllIIIIIlllII@reddit
How many of you are failed-to-launch kids that are just crabs in a bucket, I wonder?
nixno00@reddit
Okay Vlad.
Current-Code@reddit
Vlad ?
TheAmazingDoggo@reddit
Yes, let's write it off as a personal failure and individualize an issue that's affecting such a large majority of the population that it's now a crisis. Always the wise one you are, Bootstraps McGee.
acatinasweater@reddit
This may be hard to believe but some people are able to empathize with people whose lives are different than theirs.
fortunatelydstreet@reddit
where'd you launch to? did you catch a comet? just asking so I can stay the hell away from that pretend planet.
Stars3000@reddit
😂 this analogy really nailed it.
runamokduck@reddit
our entire capitalistic, power-centralizing sociopolitical system around the world definitely isn’t made to sustain stagnation or shrinkage much at all. as our economic growth and our “progress” slow more and more, the gears of our machine will gradually gnash against each other and grind to an eventual agonizing halt until it all falls apart with us alongside it
expressed less poetically: no one that isn’t a billionaire or something like that has any reasonable expectation of financial prosperity now. we are fucked
MavinMarv@reddit
Like watching an engine without oil seize up.
GalliumGames@reddit
Basing the future on the exponential growth function is one of the most brain dead and idiotic mistakes of human society. No matter what the rate is ALL exponential growth hits a wall. If you have a system demanding 5% y/y growth, that is 1.05^x. Meanwhile if the capacity to accommodate such growth grows linearly at 5% y/y, that is 1.05x. Now the danger is the exponential growth starts off very small, the capacity to accommodate actually outpaces it for a very long time. In this case, for the first 63 years the difference between the two grows. Beyond that, the system begins to stress, closing the gap very slowly but rapidly picking up the pace. For half the gap to close, 24 years pass… but for the second half… only 7. Once that carrying capacity is crossed, the exponential rate punches straight through at breakneck speeds, everything seeming normal and under control until it’s too late to realize. At best this permanently starves off the cancerous growth and forces a shift into steady-state economics, at worst it overshoots capacity wildly, causing a catastrophic collapse and extreme contraction.
phixion@reddit
The example I always use, but first you need to get people on board with the idea that economic growth = energetic growth, is that at a 2-3% year over year growth will result in us needing more energy than the entire milky way galaxy has in only a couple thousand years
shastatodd@reddit
Yep!
K-TPeriod@reddit
It’s just an economic perpetual motion machine, lol
shastatodd@reddit
I agree some people think perpetual motion is possible but those of us who understand science know that cannot exist.
The puzzling thing for me is this was all made very clear by the MIT research in 1972. Why humans thought we were smarter than yeast is a sad commentary on our "intelligence".
pheremonal@reddit
I'd love to change the world But I don't know what to do So I'll leave it up to you
Plantain6981@reddit
Tell me where is sanity?
Cultural-Answer-321@reddit
https://youtu.be/qUGE8Y07-2k?si=Ixd2ZGAIefIp2YLc
Cultural-Answer-321@reddit
World pollution, there's no solution
Institution, electrocution
Just black and white, rich or poor
Them and us, stop the war
psychetropica1@reddit
Google link? Nah thanks
idreamofkitty@reddit (OP)
https://www.collapse2050.com/why-our-financial-system-will-soon-collapse/
psychetropica1@reddit
Thanks… it’d be nice if it had references… for example:
absolute_shemozzle@reddit
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/04/240417131138.htm
I think it’s probably a broadly accurate assessment, but my bullshit alarm also goes off because of the anonymous article under the pseudonym Sarah Connor by a user that over various social media accounts seems to exclusively peddle in collapse boosting.
Betty_Boi9@reddit
ok so real talk, the elites have won. they have their heaven on earth and no one can stop them.
things only get worse and worse for the majority of people
so it time to face the end with dignity. the right and knowledge to self termination for the bottom 90% so that when they are ready to go they can at least have the dignity to die on their own terms.
for example myself, I working on a time and date to leave this world for good, I would done it already had I had the info to do it. but I kept believing that things with get better. it won't, everyone but the richest of rich will get poorer and poorer, more and more people will fall into extreme poverty. this world and this society is dying
and for some people, they don't wanna live just to suffer even more so they should have the right to end it themselves. and for those tough and "I am better and stronger then you" types, just think, less competition for resources, you get to feel superior to those that checked out because you are living through the suffering like big tough person!
everyone wins
LightingTechAlex@reddit
Can't wait. I know it will be chaos. There will be plenty of blood. But we need to start again, hopefully better next time.
Wonderful_Valuable16@reddit
Start again? I don't think there will be a new start
Awkward_Potential_@reddit
Big wheel keeps on turning. Of course there will be a new start.
ForgotPassAgain34@reddit
cant start over if the whole food chain is dead
Awkward_Potential_@reddit
I'm a doomer but y'all are on a different level.
I actually think an economic collapse would be the best thing for the planet. Can't have overconsumption without fiat currency being inflated.
ForgotPassAgain34@reddit
economic collapse would, but its too late, the tipping points have already been triggered
Awkward_Potential_@reddit
The tipping points are based upon us continuing our current trends. A systemic collapse would change those trends exponentially.
Cultural-Answer-321@reddit
No, they won't. At best it will just delay the inevitable.
The entire thermal system of earth is now in runaway mode.
Which does not mean we should do nothing. But the thing we need to do is delay the coming catastrophes as much as possible to buy time to TRY and survive the next 100+ years it take for the correction.
whatislyfe420@reddit
You mean like a runaway greenhouse effect?
Cultural-Answer-321@reddit
Yes, but it's NOT just the atmosphere, but the oceans and land as well.
i.e. BELOW ground and and below the ocean surface.
jackierandomson@reddit
What? No, they aren't. Do you even know what a "tipping point" is?
Awkward_Potential_@reddit
I do. Some of the effects that are said to be irreversible definitely are.
But if the system collapses and 70-90% of humanity does, I don't think you can assume that nothing changes ecologically.
feo_sucio@reddit
But that’s a bit like saying, “and if my grandma had wheels, she’d be a bike” isn’t it? A collapse is a collapse, regardless of the cause being systemic or climate-driven. In either scenario, the implications and consequences are going to be disastrous for tons of people.
Maybe a collapse of the financial system will result in lower emissions, but it’s still not good for the vast majority of the developed world.
Awkward_Potential_@reddit
I didn't say it would be "good" for most people who are alive today. But if there is a financial collapse and it ends up lowering emissions, wouldn't that benefit humanity hundreds of years from now?
I'm not arguing that it's all going to be hugs and puppies along the way. I'm arguing that the current system is killing the planet and if it fails it's probably best for the longevity of humanity.
La_Hyene911@reddit
^
Wonderful_Valuable16@reddit
Economic collapse brings society collapse which doesn't have much time or even room to recover.
GiftToTheUniverse@reddit
You are apparently unaware of what the climate has in store.
J-A-S-08@reddit
Anustart?
HumanCommunication25@reddit
Help daddy get his rocks off?
DevilsPajamas@reddit
Without bring those in power at the top... every new "start" is just digging us deeper in the hole while the rich scoop up property and assets for pennies on the dollar.
Julian_Thorne@reddit
Like the Bard said, all the world is a stage. The end of a play is not the end of theater. Reincarnation is real.
treesalt617@reddit
Start again? Climate change is still coming for us regardless.
endadaroad@reddit
If we get another chance, success will be in learning how to live with nature instead of trying to dominate nature. We need to be ready to adapt to changes instead of overcoming them.
Currently, we delude ourselves to think that we can overcome heat and cold with furnaces and air conditioners. Those appliances keep us comfortable, but make us vulnerable. We need to design our structures to the climate we are in, not use some cookie cutter house design and assume that with enough energy we can make them habitable.
Sleep-more-dude@reddit
I'm afraid we won't sir.
loco500@reddit
If human society is unable to categorize megac0rps exploiting natural resources as environment terr0rt!sts then it's only a matter of time until we're living in desolate times...
endadaroad@reddit
They are definitely in that category, but everybody involved in planning the direction of society is working for them. All the ones working for us are getting fired. Desolate times are coming, but we need to start preparing for them in terms of making notes of resources that could be repurposed after the collapse. There will be a period of lawlessness in which each community will have time to create new laws for their community. It is during this time that laws relating to basic property ownership can be changed to our advantage. When they throw out the old rule book, we have the opportunity to write a new one and get it duly enacted. The glass from an abandoned auto parts store could be used for a greenhouse if that's what the community needs, or a solar still for purifying water where necessary. There are almost unlimited resources that will be lying around after the collapse and it will be helpful to have a plan in place for your local community. There are going to be a lot of people who will be glad to have someone with a plan there to show them how much better their lives could be and to tell them what to do to help accomplish it. If we don't have a plan to execute, you can bet your ass that the other side will.
knight_ranger840@reddit
We do not deserve to start again.
PizzaDominotrix@reddit
With any luck, maybe the mass die-off of humans will be so bad that it will give our world a chance to heal and recover.. So that we can re-infest and consume it again.
PercentageWonderful3@reddit
If the soon is not in 50 years, it won't matter much.
Sleep-more-dude@reddit
2040 according to PWBM but that was before Trump.
GiftToTheUniverse@reddit
Wild to imagine it could take even another decade.
GagOnMacaque@reddit
Won't matter if I'm dead. Thanks for all the fish.
spac3nvad3r@reddit
Is there any doomer in this subreddit that actually realises that consistent negative economic growth will probably never happen in our lifetimes. Why? Because central banks print money, and most "economic growth" is simply increased money supply. When you print money, more money circulates, and GDP rises. Central banks aren't going to allow sustained economic contraction. They will print to prevent it.
Sorry to burst your doomer bubble but financial system collapse probably won't bring any sudden collapse.
Collapse is most probably slow and very boring and will happen over many decades
Sleep-more-dude@reddit
Can't be done because that would trigger an inflationary crisis , essentially what caused the last round of inflation if you are unaware.
If inflation gets too high then the system will collapse ; the US won't survive that, even if it is eventually stabilized e.g this was one of the factors that brought Nazi Germany about.
commesicetaithier@reddit
The currency requires trust to be worth something. No amount of printing will save the economy when climate change itself stops power plants and kills workers in heatwaves, especially young. The collapse won't be boring for anybody; it will be full of murders and suicides as hope for the better tomorrow is lost and Christian apocalypticism comes back in full "glory".
AbbeyRoadMomma@reddit
When money isn’t backed by gold but operates on trust in the system—ie, the current economic setup—we definitely can and will see a huge economic collapse.
nerdwordbird@reddit
This is the kind of thing we're slowly starting to talk about at r/collapsefinancer/CollapseFinance (warning: I'm shilling for my new sub here, though we genuinely do want interesting takes like yours to be in the discussion there). I do see others of us "doomers" (not always the right word but whatever) who expect the market and economy to become increasingly farcical or divorced from materialistic reality. For a starter.
spac3nvad3r@reddit
I'm not denying we are due for collapse, but I don't believe it's going to be of the mega catastrophe kind that we read here so often, and especially so for catastrophic financial collapse.
GDP and debt are measured in currency and currency can be printed. A sustained economic contraction measured in printable currency will never happen.
When you consider the fact however that we live on a planet with finite resources which we consume at ever increasing pace, and that climate change will accelerate the exhaustion of those resources even more, it's much more probable that collapse is going to manifest over many boring decades where both GDP will increase and appear "normal," but also inflation will persist and squeeze everyone more and more out and down from middle class.
so_long_hauler@reddit
This only works when currency (and its exchange) is “worth“ something. We cannot resist or outrun the inevitable re-tethering of value to currency of all types when the Potemkin villages have fallen and there are actual stores of value in the form of dry goods, raw materials, fresh food and water in the hands of those who will not be convinced to give it over for ever-less-meaningful amounts of money.
La_Hyene911@reddit
I used to think that then orange got elected and started speed running it. I think the US is cooked and the rest of the world will adapt.
blind99@reddit
Yeah I already lost 10 000$ on that bet, it can somehow survive longer than you think.
WorkingClassSchmuck1@reddit
How'd you loose $10,000 on that bet?
blind99@reddit
That's very easy you just short the market.
Sleep-more-dude@reddit
better to stockpile cash and buy recovery tbh.
BlogintonBlakley@reddit
Our financial system thinks collapse is a profit opportunity. You are not going to persuade financiers with fears of collapse.
HirSuiteSerpent72@reddit
I think that the financial system has a chance of staying intact. I think it's quite possible that everything will get more expensive as resources are harder to extract and supply chains get worked and disasters happen, etc.
The 'growth' would come from higher prices and continued wealth stratification as the poor are squeezed out of the financial system and exploited by the financial system into further poverty/slavery etc.
Still ... Not great. But hey, we're all here in r/collapse so none of these thoughts are new, why am I even typing this?
HousesRoadsAvenues@reddit
No worries. I read your response and I agree with you. :)
umamiman@reddit
Honestly, the analysis in this article seems pretty basic. I would guess most people on this sub are already well aware of the general outline described in it. My main complaint with it is that it doesn’t address the role of insurance in the whole process. It seems to me that insurance is where the rubber meets the road so to speak. When the reinsurance companies like Berkshire Hathaway start to feel the heat, a critical tipping point has been reached. There is nothing in this article that addresses that issue.
HousesRoadsAvenues@reddit
That's a good point. How many times have we discussed insurance on this sub? And climate risks associated with insurance rates.
Cultural-Answer-321@reddit
Yep.
plamda505@reddit
This is what happens when people think the stock market is the economy?
tennezzee88@reddit
not even gonna read it. good. i hope it's fast and immense.
Julian_Thorne@reddit
How soon is soon?
tiggie_7@reddit
Already happening, it’s a slow process with many parts and dynamics
Monsur_Ausuhnom@reddit
Followed by another cycle of the billionaire bailout, with familiar culture wars, and nothing learned or gained with this time around. Right on schedule.
tiggie_7@reddit
The US will see more and more and more civil unrest and critical social issues until our fucking income inequality is revolutionarily fought against and addressed
j5a9@reddit
You climate cultists are insane. There are plenty of things that will probably cause collapse. Climate change aka the globalist carbon credit scam isn’t one of them.
BlackMassSmoker@reddit
Lets just make to it GTA VI.
Worldly_Bit1416@reddit
Yes, now battlefield 6 is our the way 🙏
GlitteringDisaster78@reddit
It doesn’t collapse for everyone all at once. For street people and the very poor it collapsed already. For the ultra wealthy it will never collapse
absolute_shemozzle@reddit
Oh no, it’ll collapse for them as well.
NihiloZero@reddit
Like the broader concept of collapse, economic collapse will likely happen with fits and starts in some sectors rather than others, not all at once. The thing is... mainstream financial rags are starting to be just about as realistic as the people in this sub.
BarleySmirk@reddit
Trump is not in competition with Xi and Putin... He wants to be like them.
Winter_Screen2458@reddit
he is in the sandbox with them. 21st century Stalin, Musolini, hitler and Franco.
ApplesBananasRhinoc@reddit
He wants to be like them, but only has dollar store ideas on how to get there.
Lord_Vesuvius2020@reddit
This article seems like the most likely and realistic collapse scenario. And major contributing factors will be climate change and energy shortages. Already we see signs in the US that the process has begun. Luke Kemp recently had an AMA on this sub about his new book about collapse. His research showed that with hundreds of past societies the ultimate cause of their collapse was inequality. That’s now playing out in our time.
G2j7n1i4@reddit
When, if at all, will grocery stores in USA be without food? Of course no one knows. But the stores are all I really need from this system.
HopefulBackground448@reddit
Keeping this, thank you.
LesnBOS@reddit
The ocean is changing significantly right now. It’s just passed the critical acidity threshold, and the annual turnover around panama/el salvador that brings cold water up from deep water which cools the surface water, and pulls warm water and nutrients to the bottom didnt happen this year the first time in observed history. This means the deep water ecosystem will not survive due to lack of nutrients, and the surface temps will only get higher. This leads to a domino effect of marine life collapse. Mass extinctions of shore birds and sea life will follow this coming year. There will not be enough food for countries and communities next year and thereafter. Its begun.
Further, the gulf us now the slowest recorded, and if these corrupt billionaires think they can materialize food out of thin air, or pay people to grow it for them who don’t have enough for themselves - especially as money becomes further devalued due to catastrophic expenses no country can actually afford, they are in for a surprise. Pitchforks and guillotines are in everyone’s future a lot sooner than 2060!
So these fuckers can destroy the US but it’s not going to last long. Autocrats are lazy and dont care about anything but themselves, and “loyalty” lasts as long as the money flows. Once we are fighting for food and we have no money to give them, their well will run dry and the swarms of people demanding food will drag them out of their cushy cars and houses and black robes of treason
tface23@reddit
Should lowly poors like me divest from the stock market? Or would that he stupid?
La_Hyene911@reddit
probably
HungryHypocrite135@reddit
Let it.
La_Hyene911@reddit
orange is on it , trust the plan
La_Hyene911@reddit
Well we all saw it coming, the US benefited from the spoils of ww2 and instead of doing something useful with that "biggest economy evah" they just pissed it all away in less than 100 years.. no credible spending on crucial infrastructures, no national wealth fund, no health care... But who cares right? Jesus is coming back any day now...
Meltlilith1@reddit
Just wanted to say i saw another post say this. Go on google trends type in bankruptcy lawyer and filter for past 12 months or 5 years. Yeah... it's not looking too good just saying.
loco500@reddit
"Well, well look who's going inside again. Found a reason to go hide again..."
cassanderer@reddit
Nothing trillions in borrowed money cannot put off for another year I am sure.
Bman409@reddit
Complete nonsense article
all you really need to do is skip to the bottom
so, this person is predicting complete human extinction
I'm in complete disagreement with this take
faster-than-expected@reddit
8 million is .001 (= 0.1% = one tenth of one percent) of current population, or approximately 0%.
I suspect that is what was meant, otherwise there would be no need to include the word approximately.
faster-than-expected@reddit
Current population is 8 billion.
SidKafizz@reddit
Who knew that going all-in on endless growth might not be the best idea?
thehourglasses@reddit
Good riddance.
Specific_Guava_6818@reddit
…because we’ve been outsmarted by nations that that had no home (country), no army, no power but they knew how to trade and implement the model of debt. They did it for more than 14.000 years. One of the groups tested the „system” between 1258 and 1500, paved their way between 1500 and 1971, and implemented it between 1971 and 2020. Final stage is ongoing… 1971 was the breaking point where politics started printing money w/o coverage in gold. The „system” is everywhere and it’s only mission is to destabilize industry, finance and society. Wall-E, Matrix, Don’t Look Up, Idiocracy… this is where it ends.
daywreckerdiesel@reddit
Gosh gee, I wonder which group this conspiracy theorist is referring to. Couldn't possibly be the same group that all of these conspiracies boil down to.
ThirstyWolfSpider@reddit
Could it be the one that sounds like the blood donation group?
This reminds me that it's been a long long time since I read "Foucault's Pendulum".
jackierandomson@reddit
You attribute "dogshit unit-economics" to Doctorow, but Doctorow himself credits Ed Zitron.
extinction6@reddit
"Collapse 2050" is 25 years away, which is good to know for people planning to have kids.
Active-Pudding9855@reddit
I can't wait! 🤜🤛
Dinokingplusplus@reddit
If redline go's down it goes wayyyy down.