'Hamas is killing hundreds': Head of Khan Younis militia pleads for international community to protect Gazans against Hamas executions
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Waffles86@reddit
Arent these the rival gangs Israel backed in order to overthrow Hamas in the middle of the genocide?
Weren’t these the same gangs that routinely stole food and killed people?
Tilting_Gambit@reddit
Shouldn't we be pretty pro arming groups to overthrow hamas? I might be out of touch here, but I would have thought arming Palestinians to overthrow a pretty an ambiguously bad organisation would be a good thing?
My understanding of Gaza is that pretty much everybody with a gun, including Hamas, were stealing food and killing people.
RealAbd121@reddit
Bandits who used to have ties to ISIS and objectively committing treason against their own people not just against Hamas, are you sure?
Colodanman357@reddit
As opposed to Hamas with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, Iran, and other Islamists? Why do you think they are better for Palestinians?
HalfLeper@reddit
That’s not what they said though. They said we shouldn’t be arming anyone who wants to overthrow them, which makes sense. Why should we want to arm someone to overthrow Hamas who’s just as bad as they are?
RealAbd121@reddit
stupid nonsense, my comment doesn't assume or discuss whether Hamas are good boys or not. it is irrlevent to this conversation
Colodanman357@reddit
Really? When you defend Hamas killing people in the streets because you link those people to some other Islamist groups how it is not relevant to point out that Hamas is an Islamist group with links to other terrorists?
How was you comment relevant if mine is not?
waiver@reddit
The best would be a secular society, but even between Islamists there are degrees, in HAMAS Gaza women use Hijab but they are allowed to study and work, they don't need a male escort to go everywhere, in the islamism practiced by ISIS women are nothing but slaves.
RealAbd121@reddit
The comment is saying "we should be pro those people", I said no we don't have to be pro ex isis bandits, what part of this says I'm pro hamas? you're the idiot here who's incapable of understanding that not being pro either side is possable
Tilting_Gambit@reddit
Yeah, like I said, hamas was doing this too. If this is a reason to not support these groups, you should obviously not support hamas.
Which begs the question of how you deal with hamas.
Drab_Majesty@reddit
IDF themselves have said there is no evidence of Hamas stealing aid. Several reports have also found the same. What is your source for Hamas "doing this"?
EliBadBrains@reddit
Yes, you are completely out of touch. Hamas got as strong as it did because Israel helped fund it to destabilize the PFLP. We got the Taliban because the USA armed them against the USSR.
Tilting_Gambit@reddit
Ok. What's your plan to remove Hamas?
EliBadBrains@reddit
Maybe not murder thousands of people and destroy the entire infrastructure they lived in, or promise to deport them to more inhumane conditions and thus radicalized a whole new generation of youth who've seen their families and friends die and their futures be shattered. That seems like a great way to make the hamas problem much, much worse. And maybe, just maybe Hamas wouldn't exist at all if Israel hadn't spent its entire existence ethnically cleansing palestinians.
Tilting_Gambit@reddit
Yeah, Hamas and the broader Palestinians have zero culpability in all this? Your model is that they dont/can't/are unwilling to choose courses of action for themselves and can only be acted upon. They can't ever have done anything outside of being a whiteboard for Israel to draw all over.
I'm sorry I just consider this perspective that Palestians aren't rational actors to be completely racist and I refuse to participate in the conversation.
EliBadBrains@reddit
Israelis are just as culpable by that metric, if not far more so. But keep living in your dream world where the victims of genocide are apparently just as culpable when palestinian victims since 1948 have outnumbered israeli ones 20-to-1.
Tilting_Gambit@reddit
This is strawman. I didn't say that. I said you're attributing zero culpability to Palestinians. I consider that a racist perspective by definition. These people are not objects to be acted upon by others, they have their own wants, needs, they have their good aspects and bad ones, they make good decisions and bad decisions. To distil them down to one thing (your victim-only framework) removes any agency from them and lobotomises yourself from being able to analyse the conflict in any meaningful way.
I consider it a racist perspective. You guys are just implicitly racist.
NetworkLlama@reddit
The US never armed the Taliban against the USSR because the Taliban only came about in 1993 or 1994, after the Soviet Union fell and most of the rest of the world largely stopped caring about what happened inside Afghanistan. The US aided certain factions of the mujahideen, but the latter was never a unified group. It was about six major factions (which ranged from secular to theocratic and from multiethnic to ethnically rigid and from tribal to monarchist to representative in nature) and a bunch of minor ones that fought each other from time to time. US aid was funneled through Pakistan, which had significant control over where it ended up. It appears to have primarily helped two of the factions, Hezb-e Islami under Hekmatyar Gulbuddin and Jamiat-e Islami under Burhanuddin Rabbani, though other groups also received support, too. Hezb-e Islami was a radical Islamic fundamentalist group, while Jamiat-e-Islami was Islamist but more moderate and sought wider consensus.
It was Rabbani's faction that eventually took and held Kabul in the post-Soviet fighting against the shell of a government Moscow left behind, and Rabbani took on the role of president in 1992. That didn't make for a stable Afghanistan, mostly because of sectarian and ethnic tensions in a country awash in military equipment left behind by the Soviets and poured in over the prior 13 years by countries that, yes, included the US, but also included Saudi Arabia (which may have spent at least as much as the US) and Pakistan at the high end, China and the UK at a sort of medium level, and several others at the low end. But while US aid stopped, aid from Saudi Arabia (among other MENA states) and Pakistan did not end entirely, especially when the Taliban started to really make their presence known in late 1994. When they took Kabul in 1996, Rabbani fled and most of the world recognized him as the president-in-exile and his UN ambassador as the legitimate representative of Afghanistan. On the other hand, the Saudis were among the first to recognize the Taliban as the new government and to pledge and provide ongoing financial support.
Everyone likes to blame the US alone for what happened after the Soviets left, but equipping the mujahideen was a much broader effort, and almost no one stuck around to really try to help Afghanistan rebuild when they left. Those that did stick around backed the Taliban almost as soon as they arrived.
Waffles86@reddit
No, we should not be pro regime change through arming warring factions in a civilian population
Tilting_Gambit@reddit
So... what's your solution?
EliBadBrains@reddit
This is like seeing a fire engulfing a house rapidly, and deciding to pour gasoline on it while going "well it's better than not doing anything at all!"
Tilting_Gambit@reddit
So what's your solution?
EliBadBrains@reddit
For one, Israel completely retreating from Gaza AND from the West Bank. As a start. Right of return for palestinians. A single state for both. Israel has proven there cannot be a two state solution.
dannywild@reddit
No, because pro-Palestinians only like to pay lip service to being against Hamas. Post ceasefire it’s clear that many posters here are, in fact, pro-hamas.
Tilting_Gambit@reddit
I'm fine with them saying "don't arm opposition groups" because of potential blowback down the road.
But yeah, it seems like half the comments aren't even making thst argument and defacto support Hamas.
I'm just assuming that half these people are under 25 years old or have Syrian tags, which explains the inability to have any rational thought about Israel or Gaza.
HammerTh_1701@reddit
That worked really well in Afghanistan...
Ok-Sherbert5527@reddit
You do know that's how ISIS started, right?
DopeShitBlaster@reddit
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/s1skwx7xgx
These people were operating with the IDF to loot aid under their protection….. so yeah they guys with guns looting aid and working with the country committing genocide against you… are not friends.
No-Contribution-6150@reddit
Do they deserve summary execution?
xray-pishi@reddit
I'd say almost nobody ever does. But if they were committing treason, trying to sabotage their country's defense against an invasion, that's up there in terms of worst crimes that exist.
Even if you disagree with your government, by doing this you are helping get women and children killed.
Speak to most Iranians —they don't like their government. Doesn't mean they're gonna help Israel find targets for airstrikes in their homeland.
sumquy@reddit
lol, irans ongoing counterintelligence compromises beg to differ.
xray-pishi@reddit
I mean there are def some in Iran, and many Iranians abroad, who would collaborate, that is clear. But I was just talking about the society in general, which stuck together.
And Gaza is a more extreme example. Israel has offered all sorts of rewards for info about hostages etc, and as far as anyone can tell, nobody in Gaza went for it.
That is pretty amazing: in the middle of this huge war, huge numbers of people have the choice of making millions and getting evacuated just for dropping a dime to the IDF ... and yet apparently nobody has.
Serious sumud
sumquy@reddit
ya, i get it. i just thought it was funny you used iran as an example after almost their entire cid turned out to be working for israel.
xray-pishi@reddit
Yeah nah Iran's government is a shitshow, this is known. But that is what makes them a good example of "rally around the flag" — regime spent 12 days almost popular again
Zeydon@reddit
Israel destroyed all of their infrastructure - it's not like they can safely imprison a bunch of murderers in a makeshift tent - and from what I've heard they're even offering clemency to Israeli collaborators who didn't murder other Palestinians in the process.
Executing traitors is not at all uncommon, and because of the two years of genocide they're left with no option but to carry out these executions in the open.
LanaDelHeeey@reddit
Where have I heard “you made me do this,” before? Tip of my tongue.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
There's no evidence for that. Just accusations followed by a bullet.
Gubbinso@reddit
Shameless liar. Israel has literally admitted it. There is tons of evidence.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-14/gaza-aid-looting-gangs-yasser-abu-shabab-israel-netanyahu-hamas/105501926
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Forces
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2025/6/8/the-real-reason-why-israel-is-arming-gangs-in-gaza
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
Can you quote the relevant section?
Gubbinso@reddit
from the first link:
Hear it directly from him https://xcancel.com/netanyahu/status/1930662356155064670
He's arming future terror groups and he just shrugs, as if he hasn't learnt that arming extremists and criminals comes back to bite them later
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
Is this the same clan?
BerDwi@reddit
Surely, you're not just going to stop responding after being proven wrong, right?
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
I'll let you know when I'm proven wrong.
BerDwi@reddit
Any updates on your position, or still in denial?
Gubbinso@reddit
No it's not but the leader, Hossam al-Astal, was a member of it
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
Ah, so it's cool to execute women and children because their dad was part of a clan with another guy who was a member of a different clan. Got it.
I said there was no evidence of Israel backing THIS gang.
Gubbinso@reddit
Yes there is a ton of evidence, you just haven't bothered looking for it
They said it themselves: https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-southern-gaza-new-anti-hamas-enclave-emerges-under-militia-claiming-israeli-backing/
Just because you can't be bothered to inform yourself doesn't mean its not out there.
waiver@reddit
al-Astal works for the CSF which is also supported by Israel
ThatDM@reddit
Shifting Goal posts is the only way these people can maintain there pre conceived bias.
BerDwi@reddit
Late on Thursday, Netanyahu acknowledged that "on the advice of security officials, we activated clans in Gaza that oppose Hamas. What's wrong with that? It's only good. It only saves the lives of IDF soldiers."
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
Is it the same clan? Or are all the clans the same to you?
Gubbinso@reddit
The leader was a previously a member of Abu Shaban's gang and still work with them
ynet about al-astal, leader of the CSF https://www.ynetnews.com/article/r1iw2dtaeg
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
So there's no evidence his current group are affiliated with ISIS or Israel. Thanks.
BerDwi@reddit
You're right, it's the very next one Shin Bet propped up exactly the exact same way as per jpost.
Joe Truzman first noted this emerging group in a piece at Long War Journal on September 19. “On August 21, an armed group in the Gaza Strip calling itself the Counterterrorism Strike Force (CSF) declared its formation.
The group is among a handful of anti-Hamas militias that are reportedly managed by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and the Israel Security Agency, also known as the Shin Bet,” he writes. “In response to the catastrophic conditions endured by our people in the Gaza Strip, and in light of the ongoing rule of repression and terrorism practiced by Hamas, we announce the formation of the Counterterrorism Strike Force,” the group stated in a Facebook post, he added.
DopeShitBlaster@reddit
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/s1skwx7xgx
This is one of the most pro Israeli news sources. They say these guys are ISIS and loot aid trucks while working for the IDF.
Hamas says the same thing about these guys….. so if Israel and Hamas can agree on something it is likely true.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
It's not the same gang!
DopeShitBlaster@reddit
It’s the other gang that raided aid tucks with Israeli support and logistics…… cool cool.
The IDF indiscriminately bombing women and children wasn’t a red line for you. But Hamas killing adult male ISIS members who loot aid trucks with Israeli support is too far?
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
Hamas said to kill wife, children of Gazan suspected of arming PA-linked groups
What was that about women and children, again? I didn't hear you.
DopeShitBlaster@reddit
It’s weird Between Oct 7th and the more recent fighting between factions in Gaza, Hamas somehow has a better soldier to civilian casualty ratio than the IDF.
Kinda crazy that the terrorist organization takes more kill to not murder woman and children than the IDF.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
You mean the organization that isn't fighting against an enemy that uses human shields and children soldiers has a better soldier to civilian casualty ratio? That's CRAZY!!
DopeShitBlaster@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/s/3tz2nbnCOg
This Israeli just put his baby in front of an aid truck.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
/r/Palestine :DDDDDDDD
DopeShitBlaster@reddit
Israelis pushing a stroller with their baby in front of an aid truck :DDD
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
Wow, a whole three of them stood in front of an aid truck. Would you like to hear what three Palestinians did on October 7th?
DopeShitBlaster@reddit
How many kids do you think were killed on Oct 7th?
DopeShitBlaster@reddit
Hamas killed a woman and two children after firing an RPG at house of an ISIS militant. Honestly that’s tragic.
https://www.unwomen.org/en/news-stories/news/2025/05/un-women-estimates-over-28000-women-and-girls-killed-in-gaza-since-october-2023
Israel killed 30,000 women and girls….. and you cheer it on.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
I don't cheer on any deaths, that's why I want Hamas to surrender immediately and disarm so they can't get anyone else killed. Can you say the same? Or are you cool with paying lip service to Hamas' murder of women and children and then sitting back while they kill some more?
DopeShitBlaster@reddit
I don’t believe Israel arming more factions in Israel especially ones with ISIS affiliation is going to stop the killing.
It would be easier to achieve peace in Palestine with just Hamas than a bunch of warring ISIS militants gangs.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
Yeah, Hamas really wants peace.
DopeShitBlaster@reddit
I’m sure ISIS is all peace and love
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
Whatabout someone else, the only defense of Hamas.
DopeShitBlaster@reddit
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce8g9p0ppe0o.amp
IDF shoots a 10yr old, I don’t think Hamas would stoop that low.
Ok-Sherbert5527@reddit
You support ISIS clans cause they are allied with Israel psychopaths. Sit down, freak.
waiver@reddit
Let me repeat your defenses for the last two years:
a) Collateral deaths!
b) Human Shields!
c) Clearly child soldiers!
Did I miss anything? Would you be happier if they had blown up his house with a drone or blew up the whole block with a one ton bomb like civilized people?
Dirkdeking@reddit
Some are. In particular a militia led by Yasser Abu Shabab. Of course you also have random gangs of criminals that don't get support from any outside power. And you have ISIS and other jihadists that are even more extreme than Hamas.
But I actually think it would be good if a militia like the one led by Yasser Abu Shabab took control of all of gaza. They could work together more effectively with the international community and their rule would be much more sustainable than an Israeli occupation because at least the rulers will be local.
Israel should support a local proxy if they want to end the long term situation, just like the US did during the surge in Iraq.
They have 2 choices. They could support a nationalist and relatively secular faction, one that could be brutal(like Putins Kadyrov in Chechnya) to some extent but would allow a status quo to exist and would make a potential 2 state solution viable(because you can reason with them).
The other, more cynical choise, is to support a jihadi++ faction like ISIS. Obviously ISIS is never going to like Israel and will turn their guns on Israel as soon as they would defeat Hamas. But they lack even more international legitimacy. The bet their would be that they could subsequently flatten Gaza without the kind of international condemnation they got now, because who would oppose fighting ISIS? This was also the strategy of Assad, and it worked pretty well in the mid 2010's.
The faction I mentioned is part of the first group though. And I would support them if they tried to get a faction like that into power.
waiver@reddit
Why would a militia lead by an illiterate ex-ISIS member former drug dealer would be a good leader? They had no issues massively looting aid convoys for financial gain or shooting people at GHF sites. Their lack of popular support is shown by people cheering while they get executed.
waiver@reddit
The guy is the leader of the CSF, another militia organized by Israel. Israel could've evacuated them into their country instead of leaving them to suffer the fate of collaborators, but clearly they didn't intend to accept ISIS members and drug dealers into their country.
enterisys@reddit
Why do you prefer international terrorists over "rival gang" tho?
Grichnak@reddit
Yes
human1023@reddit
American media failed to report that about 2 months ago Israel was arming gangs in Gaza to fight and oppose Hamas. International media did report this. So it makes sense if there is going to be some internal fighting right now.
waiver@reddit
Sky News found a video of Israel still arming those militias as of last week:
https://news.sky.com/story/videos-show-fresh-evidence-of-israeli-support-for-gaza-militia-13451682
human1023@reddit
Thank you for posting this. Of course internal infighting is going to pen now.
kolitics@reddit
Why does the decision to execute these people belong to them but what Israel does is our business?
human1023@reddit
Maybe because USA funds Israel and Israel could not exist without USA.
loggy_sci@reddit
This was reported by CNN in June.
Commercial_Lead_7406@reddit
Nobody:
Me entering the comments section of this wonderful sub:
I can't wait to read the armchair analyst in this sub bend over backwards to justify Hamas and say it's actually Israel, while also not caring one bit when it's Palestinians murdering other Palestinians.
waiver@reddit
I guess "that's what wars look like" only applies when it is Israeli people killing Palestinian civilians, not when the militias armed by Israel are the victims.
Naurgul@reddit
Didn't pro-Israel accounts tell us this whole time that "this is what war is like" and "the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must"? Funny how people like you switch between ethical concerns and "realism" as it suits them.
Commercial_Lead_7406@reddit
It's hilarious that this is the line you and other moral failures on this sub take. For the entire length of the war, every Israeli atrocity was used as incontrovertible evidence that Israel was the literal spawn of Satan because you were all so concerned with life and human rights.
Now that Hamas is mass executing Gazan civilians without trial on the thinnest of pretexts, you lap it up at face value. It just shows how little your moral outrage is actually worth and how performative the whole thing was in service of your other political beliefs.
You don't care if Gazans suffer. You only care if their suffering can be used as political leverage. Absolute disgusting terrorist loving hypocrites.
Naurgul@reddit
I do care if Gazans suffer, including when Hamas does it. It's you who obviously doesn't care. You clutch your pearls and pretend you're morally outraged at a few executions when you were actively cheering for tens of thousands of killings.
ExArdEllyOh@reddit
You don't seem to be bothered that Hamas wasted billions on war that could have been spent on Gazans.
Commercial_Lead_7406@reddit
I dunno man, read my comment history. At no point do I ever say anything like what you claim. You're shadow boxing.
I don't know what you believe, nor do I really care, but it's obvious you don't use any invective for Hamas atrocities, only Israeli ones. You 'care' as you say, but here you are arguing with somebody pointing out the moral inconsistency of justifying Hamas executions and you're trying to deflect from that point, so I'll ask you directly. What do you think of these mass executions?
Naurgul@reddit
You whole comment history is attacking Palestinians and pro-Palestinians? Are you joking? You can't even bring yourself to reject the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Least deranged opinion I found in your comment history is when you said you are against the settlers in the West Bank, which is better than most Israelis I guess but still.
I think it's awful, I am against the death penalty and extra-judicial executions no matter the context. I don't even care if they are "Israel-backed aid thieves" as many people here suggest.
Commercial_Lead_7406@reddit
My whole comment history is attacking polemics, BS, and arguing with liars and anti-semites. It just shows how brain broken and twisted you are that you consider things like fighting antisemtism, historical accuracy and confirming that Hamas and allies did indeed rape and mutilate victims on Oct 7 'deranged'. Par for the course with you lot though.
Naurgul@reddit
I do care if Gazans suffer, including when Hamas does it. It's you who obviously doesn't care. You clutch your pearls and pretend you're morally outraged at a few executions when you were actively cheering for tens of thousands of killings.
Go back to posting generic pro-Israel comments elsewhere, bot.
Grichnak@reddit
They helped Israel, stole food and ressources and killed their own fellow Palestinians but now they're crying for help. Kinda like the LF after the retreat of Israel from the moutains in 82 in Lebanon. Never get in bed with the zios, they have no word nor honor.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
Did the two children executed by Hamas kill their fellow Palestinians?
akanefuru@reddit
You have some kinda Zio agenda here and it's quite obvious.
These gangs have also executed many innocent people since the ceasefire. While I don't agree with executions I also don't blame Hamas for doing the need be.
Fuck Israel.
dannywild@reddit
“I think Hamas executing women and children is wrong.”
“Pro-Palestinians”: “You obviously have a Zio agenda here.”
Gubbinso@reddit
It's probably because they're only now condemning children and women being murdered, not when Israel was doing it either.
Zionists love to frame Israel as making "mistakes", despite evidence showing that they attack civilians on purpose and Hamas as evil cold calculated murderers, despite killing less civilians for every militant than Israel.
Killing civilians is horrible, regardless of who is doing it but to say that Zionists care about kids being murdered, is ignoring all the hateful messages that say "80% civilian death rate is actually quite low" and "there are no innocents in Gaza" and "shouldn't have voted for Hamas" or "fafo" when the IDF kill a civilian as if any of it justifies killing civilians
Grichnak@reddit
Nope, children are innocent. But Hamas is a terrorist organisation what do you expect from them ? I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of the clans that where very happy to Israel's lapdogs against their own, but are now crying for help, as well as the fact that zionists should never be trusted sinc they historically don't honor their agreements nor help their dogs.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
LMAO I thought Hamas were freedom fighters who the virtuous pro-Palestine movement on the right side of history loves. But now they're suddenly a terrorist organization?
Grichnak@reddit
When did I say that ? Hamas is a terrorist organisation that fights to liberate Palestine from the illegal occupation of their land by the zionists. They behave like assholes, but they're doing it for the right reasons. Israel is morally superior to absolutely no one, they're some of the worst people we've had on this Earth, on par with the Hutus, the Serbs, the Ustaše, the Nazis and every other group of sons of b*tches that oppress and kill others because they feel superior for some sh*tty reason. Israel itself is a terorist organisation and I hope I see the day when real justice is brought down on them.
ExArdEllyOh@reddit
I wonder if you hate these anti-Hamas factions because you fear that there is an infinitesimal chance they might actually do a deal with Israel and that actually might improve the lot of Gazans without the extermination of Israel.
It's become even more obvious over this last week that "freedom" for Palestinians is actually of very little interest to your ilk, otherwise you would not be so happy to condemn them to the rule of Hamas. No, what you actually seem to want is an excuse for Hamas to do the genocidal acts against Jews that you apparently crave.
waiver@reddit
That's what you sound like.
ExArdEllyOh@reddit
Kapos... FFS you lot really are tumescent at the thought of exterminating the Jews aren't you?
What will you do when they are gone? Who will you turn your hatred on then?
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
"Hamas executed those Palestinian children for the right reasons" - /u/Grichnak
Grichnak@reddit
"They fight Israel using any means necessary to obtain freedom for their people". How surprising that an american (more like a fat fuck getting paid to shill for the zios) has no reading comprehension.
loggy_sci@reddit
Zio is an antisemitic slur used by the KKK. Not surprising to see you being a bigot and antisemite.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
Hey man, you're the one going to bat for Hamas. Don't get butthurt just because I'm repeating your position back to you. Or is it that you're cool with Hamas executing Israeli children, but you draw the line at Palestinian children?
Grichnak@reddit
Again do you not know how to read ? CHILDREN ARE INNOCENT. But maybe if you want your children to be safe don't oppress people so much that they only see terrorism as they're only hope of freedom. Maybe don't ally with your oppressors against your own people, helping starve and murder them.
Colodanman357@reddit
Maybe don’t launch rockets and other attack against Israel if you don’t want your people and children killed. Same thing right?
Grichnak@reddit
Maybe don't steal land, homes and belongings, while parking people in a ghetto. Maybe don't colonize violently what's left of Palestine even as you still rule it though military law, abducting people for no reason, torturing and killing prisonners while shouting on the rooftops that you like doing it ? You don't want terrorists ? Don't create the perfect conditions to make them, and certainly don't help fund them.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
Maybe don't colonize the entire Middle East. We can do this all day.
_Noreturn@reddit
Yes sure don't colonize it don't colonize ukraine either.
Zipz@reddit
“Freedom for their people”
Ya the people that took away all rights and elections from its own people are “Freedom fighters”
Jesus Christ
xray-pishi@reddit
Bro, with all due respect, you reached that point where you now think everybody who disagrees with you thinks the exact same thing. Like, you're pretty far gone around this point. It isn't a healthy way to think.
Judging from ur comments it seems like October 7 really hurt you, like maybe you lost someone close to you. I can understand that, man, it must have been difficult.
Try find some time to get out in nature etc, petting and feeding animals and stuff like that can restore that feeling that there's good in the world.
And remember, things will get better in time. Stay strong! Feel free to DM if you just want to express yourself in a safe environment, sometimes it is important to get your anger and frustration out there.
loggy_sci@reddit
Never forget that Iran was caught running influence campaigns on Reddit.
Helps explain why some people on this site do damage control for jihadists.
your_poo@reddit
Do you think the majority of people(because it's a global majority who hates Israel) are a hive mind?
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
I think the alleged majority of people have never needed too much convincing to hate Jews. Can you respond to my point about Hamas now?
your_poo@reddit
Why should I, again you think we're all literally a hive mind with the same views so much so you think I can answer for someone else
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
That's not what I said or I think. If you're going to strawman, I'll leave you to talk to yourself.
KardalSpindal@reddit
Wild that you accuse others of strawmanning. Accusation in a mirror much?
papstvogel@reddit
You started the straw man in your very first comment
flamehead2k1@reddit
I'm not surprised Hamas would do this but I am surprised how much people are taking their side over the militias.
I don't think the militias are benevolent but I don't trust Hamas' claims about the militias activities and certainly don't support street executions.
Kinda like when Hamas engaged in terror attacks as irans lapdog then cried for help from the international community
waiver@reddit
Why would anyone take the side of the militias? They don't have any ideology or political aspirations, they are literally mercenaries on the IDF payroll hired to make the lives of their fellow Palestinians more miserable. They are nothing but kapos.
ExArdEllyOh@reddit
It's almost as if they're actively supporting the side they think will kill the most Jews...
Gubbinso@reddit
The leader is literally a convicted drug trafficker, he was serving a 25 year sentence when Israeli attacks freed him. His clan was then armed and helped to steal aid, which the IDF blamed on Hamas.
waiver@reddit
What two children?
RetardedGaming@reddit
Not to mention that it was isr*el's decision in the first place to not extract their filthy collaborators. Just goes to show that being a traitor (one of the "good ones") never pays off
No-Contribution-6150@reddit
And you know that Hamas is only rounding up those people how?
Just "trust Hamas bro?"
Lots of people finding despicable ways to excuse summary executions.
MelodiusRA@reddit
Can’t wait for the definitely very genuine commenters to show up and tell us how an international policing force to stop mass executions in the streets of Gaza is somehow part of the Zionist plan.
Stubbs94@reddit
The plea for help is from an Israeli backed ISIS gang. Of course executions are wrong , but Israel is backing groups that have been stealing and murdering from civilians and Hamas are attempting to restore order to the area.
MelodiusRA@reddit
“Public executions without trial are okay if someone says those guys helped Israel.”
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
Imagine if Israel was publicly executing Palestinians for allegedly being part of Hamas.
TachiH@reddit
They have, about 69,000 of them. In their homes and lands. Get a grip of yourself. They just do it with an F35 not an AK.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
There's no equivalence between fighting against Hamas and executing unarmed men, women and children in the street in cold blood.
TachiH@reddit
Are you saying all Palestinians that Israel killed are members of Hamas? The IDF have a history of sniping children in the streets.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
I'm saying there's no equivalence. Your boys in Hamas just executed two children, they're the ones sniping children in the streets, not the IDF.
Eb3yr@reddit
And what of the testimony of hundreds of medical workers in Gaza and numerous video recordings of children being shot by Israeli snipers? Of the IDF members on social media openly celebrating sniping Palestinians and mocking them in Hebrew?
To be clear, I think anyone who kills a child is disgusting and has betrayed their humanity, and loathe the fact that Hamas did so, but Hamas's sins here pale in comparison to Israel's, and you are shamelessly downplaying, denying, and justifying the latter's.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
Never seen a video recording of a child being shot by an Israeli sniper. You got one?
Intense_Judgement@reddit
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/09/the-gaza-family-torn-apart-by-idf-snipers-from-chicago-and-munich
Got an interview with IDF Sniper Daniel Raab where he talks about shooting a kid, then shooting anyone who tried to retrieve the kid's body.
https://bearing-witness.com/massacre-5-7-25/#children
I've also got this entire thing. Be careful following some of the links, turns out images of kids shot through the head are pretty sickening.
Jotun35@reddit
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250121-israeli-sniper-kills-palestinian-boy-in-gaza/
Sure thing. Took me 2 minutes to Google it. You should try to use modern technology one day.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
Middle East Monitor :DDDDDDDD
I don't see any Israeli snipers in that video. What, are we just supposed to take your word for it?
Jotun35@reddit
You understand the point of a sniper, yes? Do you think they had videos of obvious snipers shooting kids in the streets in the streets of Sarajevo in the 90s?
It also doesn't really matter if it's a sniper, a marksman, a basic grunt or a laser guided missile. Palestinians kids are getting killed. Just ask any medical personnel that has worked in Gaza, from MSF for example.
Eb3yr@reddit
Because Hamas is clearly the one shooting a boy and another man trying to reach the boy, compared to the army that regularly talks about and celebrates shooting children in Hebrew on the internet, the same army with a longstanding, well-documented and accessible (if you actually search for 20 seconds instead of trying to bait on reddit) track record of shooting children and sniping innocents. Get back in touch with your conscience, it dearly misses you.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
A well documented track record of shooting children like this video? You've been lied to, man. Hamas just shot two kids in Gaza for no reason, what makes you think they didn't shoot this kid?
Jotun35@reddit
Oof! The denial is real.
waiver@reddit
What part don't you understand,
Shooting an rpg into a house and killing two alleged minors: The worst crime ever
Dropping one thousand pound bombs into homes and killing whole extended families: Perfectly good and normal.
You should get your brain extracted an replaced by hasbara so you can understand the logic.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hamas-said-to-kill-wife-children-of-gazan-suspected-of-arming-pa-linked-groups/
Jotun35@reddit
I was obviously talking about your denial that the IDF is clean and doesn't massacre civilians. Troll harder.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
I've never seen the IDF snipe any children in the streets. I'm glad you don't deny Hamas executes children though. Maybe stop supporting them now?
Jotun35@reddit
I've never seen a star going super nova. It doesn't mean it's not a fact. Blessed be your ignorance.
How am I supporting Hamas?
Jotun35@reddit
So basically killing civilians with an F35 is ok but stabbing them up close is not? Weird logic...
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
Fighting Hamas is not only OK, it's a moral imperative. Executing civilians is not OK, correct. Do you understand the difference between fighting Nazis and executing civilians?
Jotun35@reddit
Let me push your metaphor: bombing schools and hospitals in Germany in the 40s was ok?
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
Answer my question and I'll answer yours.
I'm glad you recognize the equivalence of Hamas and the Nazis. And since you brought them up, the Nazis also whined about the deaths of their civilians and the destruction of their hospitals.
Jotun35@reddit
Yes. And they were right. My whole point is that you don't retaliate to a war crimes (the 7th of October) by a genocide. The razing of Dresden and Tokyo are warcrimes and we should be ashamed of them.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
"The Nazis were right." How low the pro-Palestine folks go to shill for Hamas. When you find yourself saying that Goebbels was right, you need some serious help.
Jotun35@reddit
A broken clock is right twice per day. Hitler liked dogs and he was right (fuck cats). Yet pretending all dog lovers are Nazi sympathizers is ridiculous and you know it.
Eb3yr@reddit
Israel did exactly that. They have a long history of executing restrained captives. Many of the bodies they returned had signs of being executed while restrained. Israel literally killed children who they took into captivity. They restrained and executed unarmed medics in Gaza, lied about it, then "apologised" with no repercussions after the news broke about what actually happened.
Hamas is awful, but lets not pretend that they aren't a product of their very-much-worse next-door neighbour who does all of what Hamas does and far worse on a much grander scale, and has done so since the late 40s. For every inflammatory headline about something Hamas has done, Israel has done it tens or hundreds of times over in the same conflict with international media generally refusing to cover it. They celebrate doing it in their own media.
X-XIQ@reddit
Don't act like you care about a single Palestinian life you vile fuck
Intense_Judgement@reddit
This is the funniest thing you've ever typed
waiver@reddit
That's literally what they did, with drones and bombs and way way more collateral deaths. I guess I missed all those 69,000 trials.
Stubbs94@reddit
I literally said they weren't.... Israel created a situation where armed gangs of criminals are roaming free in Gaza... This level of violence is still on Israel for arming these groups.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
Hamas created that situation, bro.
Stubbs94@reddit
How? Hamas didn't fund ISIS gangs that admitted to looting aid... Israel did.
Colodanman357@reddit
So the people in Hamas have no agency or choice? Are they subhumans in your view that are not capable of agency or accountability for their own actions?
Stubbs94@reddit
Most resistance groups do this when dealing with collaborators unfortunately, the Palestinians in Gaza have endured a genocide, usually the violence doesn't end when the mass killings stop... It's a horrifying occurrence and we shouldn't applaud it. Same way the Warsaw ghetto Jews murdered collaborators.
Colodanman357@reddit
You were claiming it is Israel’s fault and not the members of Hamas that are taking those actions.
You certainly do come off as defending Hamas’s actions even now. As if they don’t have any other option or choices available. You don’t know or have anyway of knowing that the Palestinians Hamas are killing are in anyway “collaborators” or could just be a group wanting to end Hamas’s brutal control and oppression of the Palestinian people. Could it not be that the ones Hamas is killing are themselves freedom fighters?
Stubbs94@reddit
They are Israeli funded gangs.... Israel is the fucking occupation. I'm pretty sure being armed by the occupation is textbook collaborating. There shouldn't be any executions, but the state of Gaza because of Israel has meant the place is absolutely chaotic and shit like this always happens. There was summary executions after the Bosnian genocide of collaborators too, I don't support them, but I understand why they took place. Victims of the Nazis summarily executed collaborators too. It's what happens, and it's horrible.
Colodanman357@reddit
How do you know that where are you getting your information from? Hamas? And so what? What does that matter? How does that make them bad? Shouldn’t Palestinians be able to make their own choices and if they want to fight against Hamas and get support from Israel why are they not just as valid as anything Hamas does?
So do you make the same excuses if Israel were to execute Palestinians in the streets? It’s not that bad it’s what happens in war, I don’t agree with it but it is what it is?
Jotun35@reddit
It's kinda hard to make your own choices when an occupation army is bombing you back to the stone age...
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
Hamas is the reason the situation in Gaza is so chaotic.
Are you saying it's cool to execute people for being part of an Islamist group?
Stubbs94@reddit
Again, I literally said "executions are never okay" why can't genocide enthusiasts read? Hamas aren't the reason for the occupation since 1967....
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
You said that and then said "but".
" Of course executions are wrong , but Israel is backing groups that have been stealing and murdering from civilians and Hamas are attempting to restore order to the area."
So if groups steal and murder civilians, is it OK to execute them in order to restore order to an area? And if not, why try to justify Hamas' murders?
Stubbs94@reddit
Yeah, explaining why it's happening, not fucking justifying it.
TachiH@reddit
Give up using logic with these people mate. They see October 7th as the beginning of the world. They forget the 100 years before.
Stubbs94@reddit
Honestly, I'm not trying to convince these racists, I just hope someone who doesn't want the Palestinians to be eradicated, but thinks it isn't a genocide/occupation reads this and gets it. Anyone who defends Israel uncritically is a Nazi in my mind.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
Says the guy defending Palestinians being executed in the streets.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
Your boy here has lost every argument. He really hates it when I point out to him that Ireland and Palestine are far more ethnostates than Israel is.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
Your "explanation" very conveniently is reasons in favor of doing it. We all know what you are.
Here's my explanation: Hamas are murderers and thugs and are eliminating all the groups that don't like them and might threaten their power. Do you agree with that explanation? Or do you not like it because it makes Hamas look bad?
Stubbs94@reddit
No, because that's fucking stupid and you're defending Israel funding ISIS affiliated gangs. Do you think Israel backing these groups is wrong, given they've admitted to attacking aid convoys?
MelodiusRA@reddit
What does Israel have to do with an international police force?
Stay on topic, andy
BabylonianWeeb@reddit
Some of those people who were executed by Hamas literal kids. Unless Now you are saying Palestinian children are terrorists which something Israel said.
waiver@reddit
Source?
Stubbs94@reddit
According to the ISIS gangs....
BabylonianWeeb@reddit
This tribe fought against Isis in Sinai
waiver@reddit
Abu Shahab sold ISIS weapons, I guess that's why his family disowned him so quickly.
LuringTJHooker@reddit
Yasser Abu Shabab clan/family publicly exiled him from the clan for being a collaborator and co-conspirator with Israel and that the clan would gladly accept and not seek retribution if he were to be eliminated by Palestinian resistance forces.
flamehead2k1@reddit
Anyone fighting Hamas is going to have some backing or support from Israel.
You've essentially established a framework where only Hamas can "maintain order". When rival militias allegedly kill people it is murder, when Hamas does it it is "maintaining order".
Jotun35@reddit
Wait until you realize that Hamas itself has been backed by Israel...
ExArdEllyOh@reddit
Haven't you lot been parroting that for the last two years?
loggy_sci@reddit
“Wait until you realize”
Everybody is aware of this. Old news, especially after Oct 7th.
your_poo@reddit
Congratulations, you've defined a government.
"An institution which prevents injustice other than such as it commits itself"
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
Or how conveniently every single person Hamas executes, especially the women and children, are somehow "Israeli collaborators."
It's amazing how allegedly pro-Palestine people are excusing and defending street executions OF PALESTINIANS with no evidence or trial. Just incredible stuff from the bots.
waiver@reddit
Man, even if you were right, you're being incredibly hypocritical here. You're defending the killing of women and children simply because they were labeled as HAMAS or were associated with someone Israel deemed as HAMAS, without providing any more evidence than what was used to execute those people on the street.
Personal-Web-8365@reddit
Ah yes, the notoriously well, state funded pro Palestinian cause is known for its extensive use of bots.
Also, actually, Qatar is mainly implicated in the Epstein files! Its true, bigly so.
enterisys@reddit
You'd be surprised how much oil money Iran spends on anti-anything bots instead of own citizens lol
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit (OP)
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/volunteers-found-iran-s-propaganda-effort-reddit-their-warnings-were-n903486
Zipz@reddit
Just to add
https://openai.com/index/disrupting-a-covert-iranian-influence-operation/
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security/security-insider/threat-landscape/iran-steps-into-us-election-2024-with-cyber-enabled-influence-operations
Zipz@reddit
You think countries like Qatar or Iran don’t use bots and push a pro Palestine anti isreal propaganda?
LOL
DigitalApeManKing@reddit
How are you this ignorant? Iran (and Russia and other actors) legitimately operate bot networks to undermine the US and Israel, often by inflaming tensions related to Palestine.
I’m not saying Israel or the US are better in this regard, but if you don’t realize that “your side” is also deeply affected by bots/malicious propaganda then you are absolutely blind.
No issue that is this important and this central to geopolitics is free from mass influence campaigns that promote, attack, and spread every possible “side” or opinion.
Personal-Web-8365@reddit
Im not even denying theres botting, but the Pro Palestinian cause for damn sure is way more of a grassroot movement than the Zionist cause will ever hope to be. Its one thing to only have the ruling class, obsessive-compulsive islamophobes and well-off rich evangelicals with disproportionate amounts of political pull on your side, and basically everyone else on the other.
DigitalApeManKing@reddit
I don’t mean this to be rude, but you are 100% being manipulated. As someone whose family is split almost in the middle on this issue: there are plenty of normal, well-meaning people who support Israel and plenty of terrible, corrupt, bigoted people who support Palestine (and yes, obviously there are plenty of evil Zionists and Pro-Israelis and many good, normal people who support Palestine).
But yeah, not to sound overly cynical, but there is legitimately no such thing as a “grassroots” political movement in the Middle East; there is far too much at stake, far too much wealth and power on the table, and far too much blood that has been shed (on all sides) for far too long to prevent significant issues in this region from being thoroughly exploited by higher, powerful interests.
MelodiusRA@reddit
Yeah, the notoriously grassroots movements of,
checks notes,
Persian Islamists and Qatari oil barons.
Colodanman357@reddit
It actually is known to have a lot of bots and a strong inline propaganda campaign.
Zellgun@reddit
Israel has been committing mass executions across Gaza for two years. But when Hamas does it, it’s the worst thing in the world? Interesting that criticism of Israel is always responded with “it’s complicated and you need a nuanced take” but when it comes to Hamas suddenly there’s no room for nuance or complexity. Weird
MelodiusRA@reddit
Damn, actual Hamas apologists lmao.
Embarrassing
Zellgun@reddit
You know what’s embarrassing?
Having one of the most advanced and well funded militaries in the world, with unconditional support from the most developed countries in the world and still unable to destroy a group of militants that are blockaded, armed with crude weapons and homemade rockets, no Air Force, no artillery or armor, no strong foreign allies.
What’s even more embarrassing is that this genocidal army who claims to care about hostages and civilians managed to kill thousands civilians and only rescue 8 hostages militarily. Literally a 3.2% success rate. Against brown dudes hiding in tunnels armed with AKs and RPGs. Even after their entire leadership on Gaza and abroad are wiped out. They’re still standing.
What an embarrassment.
MelodiusRA@reddit
So… you are advocating for the Israeli army to actually try and destroy Gaza?
Zellgun@reddit
Lmao, try? They already have my guy.
MelodiusRA@reddit
Yeah I bet every Palestinian who backed Hamas feels like a winner right about now.
callmejellydog@reddit
It’s basically going to happen either way so you can just sit back and watch. The whole things a lost cause.
MelodiusRA@reddit
Weren’t you saying that like 2 years ago they’d all be exterminated by now?
How many times are you gonna be wrong before you stop posting?
DopeShitBlaster@reddit
I am all for a coalition of Arab and Western peacekeepers to enter Gaza and the West Bank to stop the violence. I don’t believe the IDF who largely are the perpetrators of violence should set foot in either location.
dravik@reddit
Nobody cares about Palestinians getting killed if they can't blame it on Israel.
ExArdEllyOh@reddit
Ah but as you can see in this thread they do blame it on Israel, all the dead are apparently "collaborators", even the children. Convenient eh?
Of course this means that they will probably dismiss anyone who deals with Israel as a "collaborator", which kind of rules out peace negotiations, doesn't it? What we are seeing here is people happily siding with the organisation that is more interested in killing Jews than actually making Gazan's lives better.
Just think how much better off Gazans would be if all the money that has Hamas spent on killing Jews had actually been spent on making Gaza better.
warnie685@reddit
If only there was another Palestinian authority accepted by large parts of the international community who could have been supported and involved the last few years to avoid this.. oh well
sonicboom9000@reddit
These militias helped Israel starve their own people in hopes that they'd be rewarded with power and protection.
Once the Israelis got what they wanted, they were discarded.
Never go against your own people no matter the guarantees and promises.
Tilting_Gambit@reddit
Yes, uncritically backing a terrorist organisation that starts wars it knows it can't win is the real moral high-ground here.
flamehead2k1@reddit
Certainly this should apply to Hamas killing their own
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