If there’s a Deep South…is there a Deep North?

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the_real_JFK_killer@reddit

Id argue new england is the deep north

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Jackylacky_@reddit (OP)

I kinda agree tbh now that I’ve thought more about it.

The Deep South is essentially just the most ‘Southern’ States in the South culturally. I’d argue that New England is the most ‘Northern’ part of the North.

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Ryjinn@reddit

It only looks that way, though, due to map distortions. Minnesota reaches the furthest north.

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thewags05@reddit

They were talking culturally. If we're talking literally it's obviously Alaska.

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Krusty_Krab_Pussy@reddit

I would still argue parts of Minnesota should still count culturally

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bad_things_ive_done@reddit

Minnesota is the Midwest culturally

You are too annoyingly cloyingly dopey-nice to people's faces and like small talk too much to be deep north.

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timbotheny26@reddit

The UP in Michigan and North Country/Adirondacks in New York too.

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I think it’s somewhat rooted in north vs south civil war dynamics, and while Minnesota was a participant, it was relatively unpopulated at the time while the northeast was the union heartland and where a majority of the population was. When I hear the north by itself, I think more specifically about the northeast of the US (not just New England but also not Minnesota). I also grew up in Boston though so perhaps that’s biasing my perspective.

All that said, while I associate it more with the northeast, I would still consider Minnesota, and the rest of the Midwest, part of the “north”.

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Vandilbg@reddit

The Iron Brigade one of the most famous Union Army formations was formed of Men from Wisconsin, Michigan, and Indiana. It was referred to as the Iron Brigade of the West. It lost its all western composition when the 167th Pennsylvania was consolidated into it after the battle of Gettysburg.

Ecologically the areas of the Maine woodlands and upper Midwest woodlands are very similar. Culturally due to the influence of early French fur trade and migration of the Munsee and Oneida tribes. Trade along the St Lawrence Seaway and Great Lakes linked the two areas.

As someone from that area with French Acadian heritage I always considered the Deep South to be associated with areas of southern agricultural, poverty, and the cotton trade.

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Low_Ice_4657@reddit

There’s a lot more to the Deep South than your associations with it. The factors you mentioned are big influences, but the Deep South has a distinct cultural identity that includes music, literature, and cuisine.

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Vandilbg@reddit

The Great Northwoods. Similar, linked, but unique much like Texas and the southern part of Florida.

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Low_Ice_4657@reddit

The Great Northwoods! Perfectly named (and Dylanesque, of course).

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sevenbluedonkeys@reddit

Tangled Up In Blue is my favorite song

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Warmasterwinter@reddit

They do count as Northern. But it’s more like the “upper” north than the “deep” north.

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473713@reddit

We refer to ourselves as upper midwest here, which might be the opposite of deep south.

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Warmasterwinter@reddit

Eh, the Midwest and the South really aren’t all that different. I’d say the polar opposite of the Deep South would be the Pacific Northwest.

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Sosolidclaws@reddit

Yeah you could think of Michigan / Minnesota to New England as Texas is to the deep south.

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superanth@reddit

That’s a perfect comparison.

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_jubal@reddit

Sure but Miami and Key West are never considered the Deep South so what are we arguing here.

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Princess-Reader@reddit

I don’t think of ANY of FLA being Deep South.

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WelcomeToBrooklandia@reddit

I've heard reasonable arguments that FL north of Jacksonville (plus the Panhandle) is part of the Deep South. But yeah, the vast majority of the state doesn't get that designation at all.

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GrapeDoots@reddit

In Florida the further north you go, the deeper south you get.

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cluberti@reddit

There's no arguing going on here. There's still people talking, but the argument was over a few comments ago :)

LOL

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Proper-Painting-2256@reddit

Minnesota is kind of like Texas. Yes it’s southern, but a different flavor than states further east.

MN is more Midwest than Yankee Texas is more Southwest than south.

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Ryjinn@reddit

Well the cultures between Minnesota, and the other Canadian border states are all fairly distinct and they all have similar geographical claim to the term, and I don't really see how you can say which cultural subgroup would be considered the Deep North between them, unless we just give it to Alaska, naturally.

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imseeingthings@reddit

When I think of Deep South or “deep north” I think of the divide between north and south because of the civil war. That’s why we use those terms.

Like obviously San Diego isn’t in the south. And I don’t think people consider Washington state a northern state. And south Texas is not the Deep South culturally.

So to me the deep north would be New England. It’s the center for a lot of textile production and industry which was the bread and butter of the northern economy. So it’s the heart of the north when the term is really relevant.

The Midwest and Alaska, although further north is quite culturally different from the classic northern states in New England. And due to the spread of people and the country after the terms north and south came into usage I think it’s just too difficult to include the Midwest in its entirety.

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Southernor85@reddit

Even in New England there is considered to be a cultural divide between Northern New England (Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire) and the rest of New England. I agree that Minnesota is right there with states like Michigan or Wisconsin as Midwestern states that are geographically north but if there is a "deep north" it's Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire. In many ways they are a lot like the south culturally, sometimes being called the "south of the north," and in other ways they are the complete opposite, like being the 3 safest states whereas the 3 most dangerous are all in the south.

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Southernor85@reddit

And Hawaii is the deepest south where the rivers flow with sweet tea, the only thing on TV are church revivals, SEC football, and NASCAR, kudzu and dogwoods are the only plants that grow, it's illegal not to refer to everyone of every age as sir or ma'am, screaming cicadas are the state song, all electricity comes from lightning bugs, and everyone's career is sitting and gossiping on front porch rocking chairs or making moonshine.

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cephalophile32@reddit

I mean a lot of MN and WI was settled by Scandinavians which were originally more “north” than the majority of the English in New England lol. So what exactly does culturally mean

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thewags05@reddit

In this context I'd say "the most Yankee"

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androidbear04@reddit

But if you are talking culturally, Minnesota is Midwest, not north.

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strawberry_ren@reddit

Isn’t it both? As someone from Missouri, I consider MN, WI, and MI to be midwestern and definitely “the North”. My sister worked in MN for a summer, & said you couldn’t buy sweet tea anywhere there.

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androidbear04@reddit

Perhaps, but maybe I'm thinking about it terms of the mid 19th century Civil War a.k.a. War of Northern Aggression (I am the product of a Mason-Dixon marriage and am being equally fair to each side), and it was barely even a state then. I never lived in the Midwest, only on each coast or close to the coast, so that may affect my perception.

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strawberry_ren@reddit

Minnesota was actually pretty involved in the Civil War (and Kansas was too despite not getting statehood until 1861) Minnesota Military and Veterans Museum

It’s really interesting hearing different people’s perceptions of regions! There aren’t clear lines, and a lot of transition zones and liminal places imo. I’m not trying to argue with you, just curious mainly

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androidbear04@reddit

I completely agree with your last paragraph.

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RzaAndGza@reddit

Farthest*

Only correcting you since we are literally talking about how far north the border physically exists and not some culturally amorphous concept where "further" would apply

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LeGrandePoobah@reddit

I’m pretty sure Alaska is still farther North. 😜

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Yunzer2000@reddit

Alaska?

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professor-ks@reddit

Also capture the flag grand champion

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Southernor85@reddit

I don't think that's true at all, Tennessee is the home of country music and blues, has the largest southern city in the Mississippi (where cotton was king and men were chattel unfortunately), inarguably among the best barbecue, America's best selling whisky and Moonshine, the Queen of the South Dolly Parton, was the founding place of the SEC football league (membership in which is often considered the litmus test for whether or not your state is southern), founding state of the KKK (again unfortunately), founding state of Piggly Wiggly, founding state of Cracker Barrel, one of the top 10 largest stadiums in the world (college football), and the largest Bass Pro shop (the famous pyramid). Outside of geography it doesn't get anymore southern than Tennessee but was still not on OP's list of the deep south.

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Late_Resource_1653@reddit

As someone who spent half their life living in various parts of New England, despite growing up in PA, deep north is Maine (non-coastal) and Vermont. It's a different culture, one I appreciate and love, but that's the equivalent of deep south.

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KimBrrr1975@reddit

The most northern point of the lower 48 is actually in Northwest Angle, MN. It has a marker identical to the one in Key West marking the southern most point.

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SteveArnoldHorshak@reddit

I agree with your cultural reasoning.

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emperorwal@reddit

It is cultural as well as geographic. Parts of California are more south than the Carolinas, but we would call San Diego "deep south". It has more to do with being part of the Confederacy.

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trevordbs@reddit

are you talking politically or just socially ?

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Megalocerus@reddit

More than Alaska? Although NE does have its own culture.

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MorrowPlotting@reddit

Agree.

If a Southerner calls you a Yankee, you’re from the North.

If you call YOURSELF a Yankee, you’re from the Deep North.

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mangoMandala@reddit

To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.

To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.

To Northerners, a Yankee is a New Englander.

To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.

And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast.

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Ananvil@reddit

...what kind of pie?

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cliffhanger69er@reddit

To a New Englander... a Yankee is a ball player from the evil empire!

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bunkumsmorsel@reddit

Is it time for a “Yankees suck” cheah?

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mangoMandala@reddit

Apple, obviously. Anything else and you are from Mass.

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Konflictcam@reddit

Maine might not take well to you talking this way about blueberry pie.

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Warmasterwinter@reddit

Am I still a Southerner if my mouth starts watering at the very mention of blueberry pie?

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Ashur_Bens_Pal@reddit

I'm half Texan, half Massachusan and if given a choice between pecan and blueberry pie my choice is obviously both.

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williamchase88@reddit

Nah, yall are only allowed to water at the mouth for biscits 'n gravy

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Warmasterwinter@reddit

It’s funny that out of all Southern foods, you picked that one.

I’ve eaten so many biscuits and gravy breakfasts in my life, that I’m actually sick of them. It’s cheap and filling sure, but at this point it just tastes bland to me. I haven’t had a genuinely good tasting biscuits and gravy since I was a child.

It’s still better than Okra tho. I’ve never been able to stomach that stuff.

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ahfuck0101@reddit

You need home made biscuits and instead of white or brown gravy try tomato gravy.

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Southernor85@reddit

No, I'm an East Tennessean currently living in Maine and blueberry pie slaps.

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Lothar_Ecklord@reddit

I grew up just outside of Maine and Shrimp and Grits and Lowcountry Boil makes my mouth water, so I think you’re good.

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Pricklypeartea3@reddit

My Uncle was born in Italy, lived in the US for a few years before moving back. Anytime he came to visit he would eat huge amounts of apple pie including for breakfast. It was his favorite thing about America. As a kid it was always fun because he would let me have apple pie for breakfast too. (I grew up in CT, I am a damned yank for sure)

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LadySilverdragon@reddit

With cheddar cheese of course. Breakfast of champions, right there.

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GnG4U@reddit

With a slice of cheddar on top!

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InsideCelebration293@reddit

I think it's illegal in Vermont for the pie to be anything other than apple with a slice of cheddar cheese.

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ahfuck0101@reddit

As a southerner, why in the hell do you have cheese with apple pie?

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Attila226@reddit

Pumpkin is acceptable for Thanksgiving.

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InevitableEcho9591@reddit

Apple with cheddar cheese

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hokiegirl759397@reddit

German chocolate cake 😋

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vissionsofthefutura@reddit

Apple with cheddar cheese

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ExperienceStrange407@reddit

Apple with cheddar cheese.

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Happy_Confection90@reddit

Blueberry!

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bunkumsmorsel@reddit

And then there are the swamp Yankees, which are New England red necks.

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FrumundaThunder@reddit

But if you’re a swamp yankee you’re from rural Connecticut.

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the_falconator@reddit

Southern RI. They used to have "swamp yankee days" at the Washington county fairground.

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FrumundaThunder@reddit

Yeah so the term doesn’t have a solid definition as it can be used to describe any rural New Englander but more specifically it describes rural inhabitants of CT, RI and to a lesser degree MA as there’s a lot of swampy areas. The origins of the term are muddy but one of the prominent origin story’s describes Thompson, CT residents fleeing to the surrounding swamps to escape the expected British Invasion in 1776.

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the_falconator@reddit

There's a place in RI called the Great Swamp where the colonists fought the Indians in King Phillips War.

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Kiloburn@reddit

So THAT'S what great grandma meant!

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XelaNiba@reddit

I was so incredibly surprised to find a bunch of hillbillies in Connecticut

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MattinglyDineen@reddit

Do you mean the raggies?

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firerosearien@reddit

And to a new Yorker a yankee is a baseball player on a specific team

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Storage-Helpful@reddit

Can I identify as a Vermont Yankee? As long as it's apple with a slice of cheddar!

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mangoMandala@reddit

You still have a boarding pass from Mayflower! :)

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RegressToTheMean@reddit

No, no. Cheese on apple pie is decidedly not New England. That's a Midwestern thing

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NewTransformation@reddit

Never seen cheese on pie here. I've heard of it, but even in the Dairyland I haven't ever seen someone eat it

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Ibbot@reddit

Cheese on apple pie decidedly is a Vermont thing. It’s in the session laws.

Sec. 2. SERVING APPLE PIE

When serving apple pie in Vermont, a "good faith" effort shall be made to meet one or more of the following conditions:

(a) with a glass of cold milk,

(b) with a slice of cheddar cheese weighing a minimum of 1/2 ounce,

(c) with a large scoop of vanilla ice cream.

1999, No. 15, Sec. 2.

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brainybrink@reddit

Mmmmmm breakfast pie. I’m in NJ and know it’s the best.

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HeatherM74@reddit

Best explanation I’ve ever heard. Do they have rhubarb pie in Vermont? I’d eat that for breakfast every day.

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snoweel@reddit

I've seen this quote for years and never understood the last part.

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mangoMandala@reddit

Southerner...

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46692@reddit

As a New Englander I’ve never thought of Vermont for Yankee.

90% of the time it is the New York baseball team, but maybe that is a more Massachusetts baseball rivalry thing.

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BracedRhombus@reddit

And to a Vermonter who eats pie for breakfast A Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast - and doesn't use a fork.

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Trees_are_cool_@reddit

With a slice of Vermont cheddar on top.

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MizLucinda@reddit

I live in Vermont and eat pie whenever the heck I feel like it. Often breakfast.

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TheSwearJarIsMy401k@reddit

Oh.

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Konflictcam@reddit

Why wouldn’t I eat pie for breakfast?

(Western Mass)

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mangoMandala@reddit

Damn reb! /s

(Vermonter)

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psacake@reddit

And if your a MassHole, the Yankees suck

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ChaosAndFish@reddit

To Vermonters you’re all flatlanders and can kindly return from whence you came.

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Megalocerus@reddit

It's Damn Yankees, and they play the Red Sox.

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Wattaday@reddit

This South Jersey girl is a huge Yankees fan. And we call the the northern team the Red Sucks.

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BroughtBagLunchSmart@reddit

If a Southerner calls you a Yankee, you’re from the North.

no one in new england cares what a southerner calls them

If you call YOURSELF a Yankee, you’re from the Deep North.

No one in new england would ever call themselves a yankee

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Lothar_Ecklord@reddit

I don’t know about that. I grew up in a few different New England states and people used Yankee occasionally. When you talk about Yankee magazine (which was HUGE when magazines were relevant) or Yankee Ingenuity, it’s a point of pride.

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strawberry_ren@reddit

Was it sort of like Southern Living or Country Living?

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WowsrsBowsrsTrousrs@reddit

Yankee Magazine was awesome back in the day! The Swop page was my favorite!

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kibbeuneom@reddit

OR.... The person calling you a Yankee is stupid.

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historyhill@reddit

Maybe it's because I grew up surrounded by Red Sox fans but no one in New England would call themselves a Yankee. That's a New York thing.

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Prestigious-Wolf8039@reddit

I’ve always considered myself a proud yankee meaning I’m not southern. And I’m in the west.

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fixed_grin@reddit

"To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.
To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.
To Northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner. To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.
To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.
And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast.". -E.B. White

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vulkoriscoming@reddit

This is the way

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Ashur_Bens_Pal@reddit

Maine specifically.

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SuperPomegranate7933@reddit

I was thinking backwoods Maine.

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flashgordonsape@reddit

And the UP

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Relevant_Elevator190@reddit

Yoopers.

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PeteLattimer@reddit

Culturally the up (and northern Mn) outside of the tourist towns are much much closer culturally to the south than New England

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Difficult_Habit_4483@reddit

💯💯

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goodsam2@reddit

I visited and upper lower peninsula and UP reminded more of Maine and Adirondacks but a slightly different flair.

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beaveretr@reddit

I disagree with that

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Warmasterwinter@reddit

Really? Why would you say that? As far as I know, Southerners have never really had much influence in that area at all.

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mangoMandala@reddit

da UP, eh!

FYO

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bremergorst@reddit

You betcha

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Difficult_Habit_4483@reddit

Interior Maine yes tho it kinda goes full circle and becomes similar to the Deep South

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meowmix778@reddit

We call that the county. And it's a fucked up place if you go far enough north

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OpposumMyPossum@reddit

Back woods Maine is a lot of Canadian French. Doesn't really have a much New Englandy culture. It's like Northern NH too

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DreadLockedHaitian@reddit

Isn’t Louisiana kind of considered Deep South? At the very least least we’d have to consider how "French" or "Creole" influenced the MS River Delta is as a whole. Which feels analogous to Northern VT, ME and NH.

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OpposumMyPossum@reddit

These Canadian French often moved in within my lifetime.

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anschauung@reddit

That's "down east"!

Even though it's in the north. It's a Mainer thing.

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Walnut_Uprising@reddit

Downeast and backwoods are not the same.

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AggressiveAd5592@reddit

Down East is coastal Maine, not backwoods.

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JeremyAndrewErwin@reddit

Like in that Fishing With John episode with Willem Dafoe

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nirbenvana@reddit

No, that's South North

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Much_Box996@reddit

Down east dickering

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revdon@reddit

Are you saying "backwards" but eliding the R? /s

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SuperPomegranate7933@reddit

Ayup, ya gat me.

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_jamesbaxter@reddit

Massachusetts specifically. I’m from Massachusetts living in California and I feel surrounded by moderates. “Deep South” is more of an ideological thing, for example Kentucky is more “Deep South” than much of Florida even though it’s physically north of it. In that way, Massachusetts is deeper north than New Hampshire or Maine.

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vintage2019@reddit

What about Minnesota and Wisconsin?

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phophopho4@reddit

Which is funny because I've heard new englanders chant "Yankees suck!" At baseball games.

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Corpuscular_Ocelot@reddit

Agree.

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Amazing_Divide1214@reddit

I feel like the northern Midwest gives more "deep north" vibes but I can't explain why. Maybe because there's less people and the winters there seem pretty awful.

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sagetraveler@reddit

New England on its own encompasses almost as much cultural diversity as the rest of the country. New Hampshire is the original "don't tread on me" state and that tradition is alive and well. Maine is isolated and well, just odd. Vermont has less than a million people but it goes from the deep woods of the Northeast Kingdom, which is similar to Appalachia in many ways, to multi-generational farms, to homesteaders, both liberal and conservative. Boston has banks, universities, big pharmaceutical companies, other assorted tech, and every alternative lifestyle known to man. Raytheon and Electric Boat are big defense firms based in New England. Most New Englanders just want to be left alone and live their lives in a functional society.

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Standard-Jaguar-8793@reddit

You also forgot Connecticut. It’s closest to New York, but is half Yankees, half Red Sox. The dividing line is I-91.

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tu-vens-tu-vens@reddit

New England on its own encompasses almost as much cultural diversity as the rest of the country.

Lol, no.

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toastagog@reddit

Not sure why you're getting downvoted. Seems a bit much to say that five, maybe six states have as much cultural diversity as the other FORTY FOUR.

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tu-vens-tu-vens@reddit

Yeah, it’s not an attack in New England, it’s just a plain fact that the rest of the country includes Utah Mormons, Louisiana Cajuns, the Miami Cuban community, the New Mexicans who have spoken Spanish since the 1600s, Dust Bowl migrants to Bakersfield, the Black Belt and Mississippi Delta, the Rio Grande Valley which is almost monolingually Spanish-speaking, massive Native American reservations in the Great Plains and out west, the heavily Scandinavian upper Midwest, deep Appalachia, and whatever Las Vegas is.

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Intelligent-Art-5000@reddit

Don't forget Rhode Island. More beautiful than the rest of coastal New England, but we're angrier and more prone to fight you because our roads suck and the tourists keep showing up along with their money.

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RegressToTheMean@reddit

More beautiful than the rest of coastal New Englan

As a former Massholes who was a bouncer in Providence and who lived on The Cape for a bit, this is delusional. I love our slightly less sophisticated brothers and sisters to the south and your pizza in little Italy, but you've lost your mind with this take

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Happy_Confection90@reddit

our roads suck

I haven't driven in Rhode Island in ages. Do they still put highway exit signs in the Providence area after the off ramps?

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Effective_Pear4760@reddit

Last time we drove through r.i we blew a tire on a pothole.

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MDMarauder@reddit

New England on its own encompasses almost as much cultural diversity as the rest of the country.

Bwahahahahaha.

Half of New England ranks in the bottom five states when it comes to diversity.

MA and RI are doing most of the heavy lifting, but still fall behind several Southern states. Connecticut ranks most diverse in New England, but only 14th overall in the U.S.

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OpposumMyPossum@reddit

If you look at population total it's not way off. And there truly is a cultural diversity. Even in NH and Vermont... It was filled with Italians and Irish and French Canadians and Swedes and Pokes and Syrians and Greeks. Even if White, non Hispanic - there is a long history of huge populations of immigrants.

Add Conn, RI and Mass? Just Worcester's schools has students that speak like 90 different languages.

It is a bit weird that someplace like Mississippi would out rank in Diversity when it's just because they brought slaves there 200 years ago.

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SuperPomegranate7933@reddit

That last line is absolutely spot on.

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PrincessKatiKat@reddit

Agreed. The closer you get to Maine, the further into the “Deep North” you get. You can add in Michigan’s UP as well.

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savro@reddit

I would say the “Deep North” is Minnesota or North Dakota.

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meowmix778@reddit

Having lived in Upstate NY and I'm not talking like Syracuse (what people from here call upstate) , I can tell you that Upstate NY is more rural and more "north" than like 70% of New England.

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the_real_JFK_killer@reddit

What do you consider real upstate? How tf is syracuse not upstate.

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imissher4ever@reddit

We called that Yankeeland.

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tadamhicks@reddit

Not all of it. MA, RI, CT are not. Northern ME is way different than those states (and any others to be honest). I was in Berlin, NH yesterday and that’s a jumping off point for what feels like Deep North to me. The NEK in VT feels more like “almost Canada” than whatever Deep North is.

I used to live in the UP, which definitely has the Deep North thing going on, too.

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Mathemodel@reddit

I agree with this

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m_leo89@reddit

Maine and New Hampshire could be good candidates for the “Deep North”.

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emperorwal@reddit

Especially Maine

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protossaccount@reddit

Northern Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and North Dakota are all culture. I work with unions and that group of people makes up a loathe portion of my clients. Once you hit Montana (starts in the badlands imo) you start having a more Western vibe which is influenced more by the west coast.

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ATaxiNumber1729@reddit

As someone from the Deep South who was traveled to the New England area and been to many Phish shows in Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, and New York, New England is like the south. Great culture but very insular. There is so much good stuff there, like the south, but sometimes it’s hard to find

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Intelligent_Pop1173@reddit

Yep I’ve lived in Georgia and also live in Upstate NY so I’m co-signing this.

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maximus_the_turtle@reddit

Upstate NY is not New England.

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CunningWizard@reddit

Culturally throughout history it’s closer to New England than NYC. I’ve lived in both New England and upstate NY and can confirm this.

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LemonSkye@reddit

This is going to vary wildly depending where in Upstate you are. The areas that border New England, like the Capital Region and North Country, absolutely are New England lite. But I grew up a stone's throw from the PA border in the eastern Southern Tier, and that area is culturally more like NEPA than New England due to its proximity. WNY has more in common with the Midwest than anything else, and the middle of the state (CNY and the Finger Lakes) has its own identity as well.

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CunningWizard@reddit

Yes this is absolutely true. Upstate is a giant region that straddles multiple cultural borders. My time there was in the Capital Region, which is very very New England.

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Intelligent_Pop1173@reddit

I know that but it’s still very northern.

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Impossible_Jury5483@reddit

I have a slightly different take. I think the northwestern states are the deep north as in racism is still quite alive and acceptable in small towns.

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DifferentWindow1436@reddit

Specifically, Pepperidge Farms.

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slifm@reddit

Not progressive enough

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MattieShoes@reddit

Rural Maine kinda wraps around to deep South again.

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fried_clams@reddit

Maine is New England's Florida.

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TheNemesis089@reddit

Pfft, as a Minnesotan, New England ain’t the North. They have nothing on the real North. Parts of Maine might be a rare exception.

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cmcrich@reddit

Northern New England.

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FrumundaThunder@reddit

As a proud new englander I’d love to agree. But from what I’ve heard about the Idaho panhandle, I think they’ve earned the title.

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Konflictcam@reddit

See: r/RepublicofNE

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Harry_Balsanga@reddit

Hell yeah we are.

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Somnifor@reddit

If we are talking culturally I would say Boston, New York, Chicago, Minneapolis and all of the college towns in New England, New York and the upper Midwest

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CunningWizard@reddit

Reading Colin Woodard’s Eleven Nations he makes it pretty clear that the deep north is New England (Yankeedom). It and the Deep South basically form the cores of the two agglomerated opposing nations in the modern US.

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Vert354@reddit

Instead of "deep north" it's "down east"

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NetFu@reddit

Alaska

-80 F temperature would definitely say "deep north" to me.

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TheBimpo@reddit

Uhhh I guess you could argue it’s the Northwoods region of northern Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin? I mean we’re making it up here so why not?

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sanka@reddit

Yep, once you start seeing pines instead of maple or birch, you are in the deep north.

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mbopok13@reddit

Florida has a ton of pines and no maple.

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jiminak@reddit

So does Mississippi… I guess the “maple to pines transition” is the key in both directions!

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unknowingbiped@reddit

We live on the edge of the boreal climate zone. Yours is more pine savanna and the north is/was boreal forest.

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sanka@reddit

The reason I say the transition from maple to pines is pretty specific. It gets cold as fuck in the northwoods of Minnesota. Maple trees die and their rhizomes cannot survive once it hits -47F for 24 hours. Northern Minnesota used to hit hit all the time, so it wasn't an issue.

Now, well, it doesn't get that cold anymore. The maples are creeping north every year. It's always the coldest places that see climate change first.

Even where I am in Minneapolis we see climate change. We have so many Ash trees that turn great yellow color in the fall. But the Emerald Ash Borer bug came in and now all our ash trees are dead or dying. You need it to be -30 for 48 hours to kill all those bugs in the trees. We used to get that cold, but we don't anymore. Now we'll see -25 for a day or two. Maybe a few weeks below zero.

The other day my google updates or whatever, I got got an email photo of me, my wife and daughter from 14 years ago. We were in a nice park and took family photos, All yellow with Ash trees around. Beautiful. All those trees are dead and gone now.

14 years ago. 14 years and stuff has really changed climate wise.

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beaveretr@reddit

Emerald ash borer is a recent invasive though. It would have survived in the twin cities climate 50 years ago too.

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Original_Ant7013@reddit

Actually Florida has plenty of maples. Not all of the same species as further north though reds are found in the state. Plus the native Florida maple (Acer saccharum subsp. floridanum).

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LouisRitter@reddit

Uh you see that in northern Arizona...

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CabinetSpider21@reddit

You're in the up north

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Muvseevum@reddit

Georgia is like 90% pines (prob not 90%, but a shitload). I’ve spent $30k+ getting pines taken out of my yard. They’re weeds.

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Humble_Turnip_3948@reddit

Moose crossing signs is my signal

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cIumsythumbs@reddit

I, lifelong Minnesotan, immediately thought of the UP and how thick Yooper accents can be. That's some pretty deep north.

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MillerTime_9184@reddit

You didn’t think of people from the iron range of MN?! You must be from Rochester 😉

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cIumsythumbs@reddit

lol, I was born on the range. Hibbing to be exact. Meadowlands was my first hometown.

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petelo73@reddit

As several have noted, Upper Peninsula Michigan, Northern Wisconsin, and Northern Minnesota share a distinct accent. Has a lot of the open/round vowels of Canadian accents.

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-dag-@reddit

Boreal Forest FTW.

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K_Linkmaster@reddit

You have trees to stop the wind and warmth. And trees to burn. Montana and North Dakota plains are an open door to polar vortexes.

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abhainn13@reddit

Yeah, da Yoop is Deep North, I think. Especially, like, Houghton or the Porcupine Mountains.

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Zappagrrl02@reddit

Porcupine Mountains being big hills😂

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Visible-Disaster@reddit

https://youtu.be/jjhiTyF0MvY?si=CXuSjNY_c5_COXo9

This guy has two good videos on the UP

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Yggdrasil-@reddit

Yoopers have such a distinct culture/dialect/history that they feel like the closest northern analog for people from the deep south IMO

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Fappy_as_a_Clam@reddit

The first time I visited the UP it immediately reminded me of where I went to school in Appalachia, but flat.

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late_age_studios@reddit

Yeah, can confirm. Lived in Newberry for a year, it’s a whole different culture. Partly because of the north (lake effect snow is wild) but also partly because of the isolation. Took 2 hours to drive to somewhere with a multi screen movie theatre. Some of the nicest people I’ve ever met though.

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Fappy_as_a_Clam@reddit

Heyyyy I've stopped at that bear zoo in Newberry before!

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late_age_studios@reddit

I’m sure it was there when I was, but I never noticed it. I was there in junior year of high school, came from Vermont. One of the biggest differences for me was how welcoming everyone was. Northeast Kingdom for me was a gladiator academy, fighting all the time, really rough. In Newberry though, they were just so excited to have someone new in town, I got invited to a party the first night I was out there. I often credit Newberry as where I learned to just be myself, and like myself for it.

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LouisRitter@reddit

The UP, Maine, Minnesota, Montana, North Dakota

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1Negative_Person@reddit

Throw rural Maine in there. They’re the midwesterners of New England.

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datsyukianleeks@reddit

Id lump northern parts of New York, Vermont, new Hampshire, and Maine in with that too. Really all the border states, because you can't leave Montana and North Dakota off, those states are practically Alberta and Saskatchewan.

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SnoopDaddOG@reddit

It's Duluth. I read this as a counter to the south. Duluth seems cool. The south seems uncool.

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DreamsAndSchemes@reddit

I’ve driven through Duluth a couple times. Gorgeous area

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Nemoudeis@reddit

Don't forget that there's also a Duluth in the south (let's call it 'Bizarro Duluth').

It was actually named after the northern city.

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viewonlymode6554@reddit

The North remembers.

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Familyconflict92@reddit

Nobody thInks about Alaska 🙁

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SenatorPencilFace@reddit

When I took a civil war class back I. College the professor referred to the Midwest as the butternut region.

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protossaccount@reddit

This. I would add North Dakota.

The type of people that will say that want to add some heat to their meal and so they will add pepper. Yes I have seen someone say that.

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shelwood46@reddit

We did sometimes call it the Deep Woods

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MadMadamMimsy@reddit

New Hampshire? Aka the Mississippi Of The North.

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AccidentalSwede@reddit

In Maine, anything north of roughly Augusta

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johannaishere@reddit

I’d say the Upper Peninsula in Michigan and like… Upper Maine. Upper Minnesota by the boundary waters. North Dakota. Places that take a LOT of pride in being almost Canada.

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SiloueOfUlrin@reddit

Deep north is where all the Canadian Americans are.

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thatrightwinger@reddit

Alaska is the "far north."

Kind of the same thing.

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madicetea@reddit

Searched through comments; glad I was not the only person who thought this.

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madicetea@reddit

I always thought of Alaska as a "Far North" state since it's not connected to the contiguous 48 states and borders the Arctic, but I guess New England does get a bit of a "north" thought from most people of the 48 contiguous states.

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dr_strange-love@reddit

The deep north is when you start seeing Confederate flags again

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CorgisAreImportant@reddit

I saw more confederate flags in rural Michigan than in Mississippi

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Ubiquibot@reddit

Maine has a big problem with this.

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Noon_Highmelon@reddit

This is true in Idaho.

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Botherguts@reddit

So Alberta then

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choopie-chup-chup@reddit

Sadly it's true. In Wisconsin it's something like the further north you go the more southern it gets

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No_Water_5997@reddit

Yup. Same goes for northern New England. As a southerner living in Maine the cultures are more alike than they are different.

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mickeltee@reddit

Northern Ohio can get pretty southern.

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DarkSeas1012@reddit

In both of these cases, it's the closer to Michigan you get, no?

As an Illinoisan, is that why Indiana's like that?

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Warlordnipple@reddit

Northern Indiana is pretty not racist, the south is more so, but the reason you think that is because illinoisan's are the judgiest Midwesterners. People in southern Illinois thought I was conservative and racist because I am from Indiana. However I am from Indianapolis (so pretty liberal) and most of my friends growing up were not white.

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Superiority_Complex_@reddit

Same in WA when you get east of the mountains and outside of the towns.

There used to be a confederate flag flying off Blewett pass, ~10 miles from the 97/2 interchange. Haven’t seen that in a half decade or so, so that’s progress I guess.

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Harry_Balsanga@reddit

The west side of the lower peninsula is often called "The Bible Belt of the North".

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taftpanda@reddit

I’m assuming you referring to Michigan, because Ohio isn’t even one peninsula lol

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Harry_Balsanga@reddit

Yeah, I was referring to Michigan. You mentioned Ohio and I defaulted to a Michigan comment.

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taftpanda@reddit

I didn’t mention it, I was just lurking in the comments here lol

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EvergreenWolverine@reddit

Definitely Maine as well

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devstopfix@reddit

Yeah, when I'm home visiting family I like to keep close to the coast.

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Dhaynes99@reddit

so y’all are like florida then but without a miami

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sweeteatoatler@reddit

Southern and Eastern Oregon has confederate flags. Very confusing to me as a southern transplant.

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Ana_Na_Moose@reddit

How awfully Floridian of Wisconsin

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Defiant-Tailor-8979@reddit

True but nothing compared to Idaho

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peaveyftw@reddit

Amusingly, there are parts of the deep south that were pro-union during the War in which you'll see Confederate flags more common than in areas that in 1860 were overwhelmingly Secession -- like Winston County AL. They have a statue there devoted to its divided loyalties -- a soldier with both flags and a broken saber -- but when I was driving around going to Natural Bridge, all I saw were rebel flags. I'd bet money western Virginia ("West Virginia") is the same.

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ithinkican2202@reddit

Wississippi

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CatoTheElder2024@reddit

Oddly… not many confed flags down here in the Sip. Saw a shit ton when I lived in Kentucky though.

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ithinkican2202@reddit

I'm not ripping on Wisconsin, just repeating a term I'd heard in tandem with it being referred to as "The Alabama of the North".

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CatoTheElder2024@reddit

Oh I was talking about the Sip. Not the Whip

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urine-monkey@reddit

Once you get off I-94 and go north of the county line, you're in Wisssissippi.

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Tweety_Hayes@reddit

You don’t have to go too far north.

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Public-Pound-7411@reddit

They call it Pennsyltucky for a reason.

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MadQueenAlanna@reddit

I have a cousin who’s big into the Confederate flag and he is born and raised from southern Maine

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boodyclap@reddit

Most confederate flags I'll ever see is rural PA

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Derfburger@reddit

Grew up in South Central PA and now live in SC and I 100% confirm there are a lot more confederate flags in PA than in SC.

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Yggdrasil-@reddit

Same either rural Michigan. There was some dick at my (very white) high school who had a huge one flying off the back of his truck. So I moved to a place where people like that get their tires slashed 👍

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blastmemer@reddit

Western PA and NY, looking at you.

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Carnegiejy@reddit

Central PA. PA is Pittsburgh on one side, Philly on the other, and Alabama in between.

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Derfburger@reddit

Grew up in York County and the 1st day of deer season was a school holiday. I joined the military and lived in NC and now live in SC and there was almost no culture shock at all.

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killersoda@reddit

As someone who's family is in Central PA, I didn't know there were rednecks up north until I met my family.

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GoSuckOnACactus@reddit

Then that bastard child Centre County in the… center.

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Crayshack@reddit

Pennsyltucky.

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reichrunner@reddit

More central PA than Western in my experience

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rwilcox@reddit

It is SO weird driving around Gettysburg PA and seeing Confederate Flags.

My dear sir, here of all places??!

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reichrunner@reddit

I enjoy the "Proud of my heritage!" ones in West Virginia. Buddy, you don't know your heritage if you're flying a confederate flag lol

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peaveyftw@reddit

Western Virginians are just Virginians who are a mite confused.

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FiddleThruTheFlowers@reddit

Yeah, I was going to comment the same thing. "Heritage" my ass when you're in a famously former Union state.

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bossk538@reddit

Rural NY for sure. Also Long Island is called “North Alabama” with several incidents of fire departments flying confederate flags: https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/newyork/news/brookhaven-fire-department-confederate-flag-fines/

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NinjaKitten77CJ@reddit

Oh, boy, you ain't kidding. Id nominate my area for title of Deep North.

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blastmemer@reddit

Same. Southern Tier NY here.

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NinjaKitten77CJ@reddit

Whoa. Hi, neighbor!

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blastmemer@reddit

Howdy. There are at least 2 of us! (Though I moved away after high school).

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coolairpods@reddit

My family is from NW PA, but I was born in GA. NW PA is just like rural GA only difference is it’s fucking freezing ass cold.

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youngyaret@reddit

Auburn, NY is a prime example. 30 minutes outside of Syracuse which is a classic metropolitan area in the northeast. Auburn is a whole bunch of rednecks and honestly some of them almost sound like they have southern accents.

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blastmemer@reddit

Parts of NY are considered upper Appalachia (think West Virginian culture).

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ideletedyourfacebook@reddit

So, Ohio.

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DrMindbendersMonocle@reddit

You see confederate flags in Canada, does that count too? lol

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SunsCosmos@reddit

That’s terrifying … In America the paper thin excuse is that it represents “Southern culture” … what the hell is the excuse in Canada???

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GBreezy@reddit

Hell, I saw some when I lived in Germany

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Sore_Wa_Himitsu_Desu@reddit

That’s just people who want to fly the Nazi flag but it’s illegal in Germany, so they do the closest thing they can.

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GBreezy@reddit

It was that and a people who just associated it weirdly with blues and 70s rock music

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devilbunny@reddit

Eh, not really. They are very focused on the "rebel" part of the story, not the "kill all the N------" part.

Was, and may still be, part of the local motorcycle club culture.

And, you have to admit, the associations with the people who made it awful ruined a perfectly beautiful flag. Purely from a standpoint of vexillology, it's recognizable from a long distance, it can be comprehended easily whether it's flying in a stiff breeze or hanging in dead air, and it has enough contrasts to distinguish it from other flags using similar colors.

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Secret-Ad-7909@reddit

Well…

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Stealth_Howler@reddit

Ahh New Hampshire then

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Yaboi69-nice@reddit

I'm very deep into Maine (like only an hour and 45 minutes away from Canada according to Google) and no one in my town has confederate flags persay but I do see quite a bit of Trump flags. The majority of us are liberal there's just a subsection of stupid people who put up there Trump flags then don't talk to the rest of us ever.

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sad-whale@reddit

There’s a bar called Honky’s in Grove City, MN is a confederate flag on the ceiling

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ChannelPure6715@reddit

Western mass ahoy

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sics2014@reddit

It's pretty blue out here. You ever been to the Berkshires or anywhere around Northampton?

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westo4@reddit

Berkshirite here. We're deep blue.I know only two Republicans. One hates Trump and the current state of his party. The other slowly went so far down the QAnon rabbit hole that she had to move to Arizona to find company.

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Eoin_Coinneal@reddit

Eh, once you get into Franklin county it stops being blue real quick like. There’s more rednecks in western Mass than anything, once you get away from the college areas.

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ChannelPure6715@reddit

Yeah. Just a regional stereotype. Ct here

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Odd-Percentage-4084@reddit

Yep. Crossing the Mackinac bridge in MI is like crossing the Mason-Dixon Line.

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AdSingle7381@reddit

Western Maryland is basically north Alabama

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decimalsanddollars@reddit

There’s a town in NY that voted to secede during the civil war and didn’t vote to rejoin the union until 1946.

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Competitive_Web_6658@reddit

aka central Minnesota

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unsurewhatiteration@reddit

I could get behind this definition. I grew up in NY.

Since then I have lived in many places, including Matt fucking Gaetz's district, and my home county is still be far the most redneck place I have ever been.

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dcvo1986@reddit

Far north. I feel like deep is intrinsically downward oriented.

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okayestcounselor@reddit

Just came here to clarify that we in the Deep South do not consider Florida as part of the south. Florida is Florida.

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tuesdayballs@reddit

…shallow north? High north?

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december151791@reddit

All the metro areas between Boston and Baltimore.

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Necessary_Internet75@reddit

Never heard of deep North, now Up North … yes, it usually means being in the northern most section of a country

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Fantastic-Sea-7806@reddit

What the heck? Florida is not the Deep South, good lord. My family is from Louisiana and Mississippi and many of us now live in Florida. Florida is its own thing.

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Wicked-Pineapple@reddit

It would probably be New Hampshire, Vermont, and Maine, maybe western Massachusetts

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Tiberius_Kilgore@reddit

Far North. It’s called New England.

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Meilingcrusader@reddit

If there's a deep north, its rural maine and northern new hampshire

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Exotic-Ring4900@reddit

Maine

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Exotic-Ring4900@reddit

Maine

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LastCookie3448@reddit

Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont...that area...there are some very interesting subcultures there, some that seem 'backwoods' in relation or comparison to the 'hillbillies' of the South. A lot of intersting dialects and uniquely American dishes. Even some parts of Mass. are like a whole other world. Gloucester reminds me of Charleston...

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Beneficial-Two8129@reddit

Alaska

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FoggyGoodwin@reddit

You might lose to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Or Alaska. I have never in my life heard any part of USA called "Deep North"

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Ok-Worth-4721@reddit

I think it's far North or Up North.

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YerbaPanda@reddit

Canada 🍁

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lexicon951@reddit

The UP?

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More_Possession_519@reddit

It’s not the “deep” north, it’s the “far north”. Northern Maine is just called The County. Weird stuff happens up there. Very rural, very secluded, long family lines. We have our own versions of French too.

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onthefence928@reddit

Generally it’s called the far north

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SouthernStatement832@reddit

The northeast. Polar opposite of deep south.

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donquixote2u@reddit

No, it's like a swimming pool; Deep South, Shallow North.

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rockettaco37@reddit

The Rust Belt perhaps?

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Classic-Push1323@reddit

"Deep South" is a contrast to the "Upper South," i.e. WV, VA, NC, TN, etc. The deep south were plantation states, relied heavily on slave labor, had very high black populations prior to the Great Migration, and were the first states to secede. Upper south states are mostly mountainous and not suited to plantation farming so they are very culturally and demographically different. You also see the term "upland south" sometimes, which specifically refers to the mountainous portions of those states.

The entire state of WV left VA and remained in the Union, MD did not secede, and KY/MO ended up with two governments. Many mountain counties in other upper south states also supported the union even after their state seceded so there was a lot of infighting. There's more going on here than just "the southiest of the south." I really don't think there's a northern equivalent.

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Aggressive_Syrup2897@reddit

Came looking for this comment.

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Niandraxlades@reddit

Richmond VA is literally the capital of the confederacy. The docks where they brought enslaved people in are still there along the James river. Slave labor was used all over Virginia.

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albertnormandy@reddit

Richmond is no more segregated than any city, even in the north.

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Classic-Push1323@reddit

Yes, Richmond was the capital, but VA seceded later than the other states and is not considered to be a part of the "deep south" geographically or culturally. The parts of VA that did not have a slave driven economy mostly left, joined West Virginia, and remained in the union.

Again, it's not "those states are not in the south" it's "the south has historically been divided into two parts." They were all slave states, and most of them eventually joined the confederacy.

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Chiknox97@reddit

Knoxville/East TN was pro-Union. Memphis/West TN was hard core confederate. All because of geography. East TN is mountainous and terrible for agriculture, West TN is very flat and the Memphis area on the Mississippi River has incredibly fertile farm land for cotton and soy beans.

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No-Conversation1940@reddit

The strongest Confederate support in Missouri was found along the rivers. Southwest and south central Missouri, with its hilly and very rocky soil that couldn't support the crops needed for plantation style slavery, failed to coalesce around a single candidate in the 1860 election. The only real trend was not voting for Lincoln, presumably because they took secession threats seriously and realized they lived in an area that would become an absolute shitshow in a war - and they were right.

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Classic-Push1323@reddit

Don't forget Union County, TN!

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thisismyburnerac@reddit

Berkeley. It’s Berkeley.

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yeabuttt@reddit

I feel like it’d be better named the high north. Deep makes me think downward. You don’t go down north, you go up north.

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xSparkShark@reddit

No, there isn’t. Deep South had a specific historical connection the the confederate states of America. The Union is the current United States of America.

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Grandahl13@reddit

Also, deep typically means “far down” and the south is at the bottom of the US. “Deep north” just doesn’t make any sense.

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WimbletonButt@reddit

Pretty sure it's the area Stephen King uses for most of his novels. He certainly makes it sound creepy and back woodsy like deep south is.

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daringnovelist@reddit

For the most part, “The North” (as a specific region/culture) tends to mean the far north. You don’t get a separate region that is more north than that before you hit Canada.

Geographically it may mean anything North of the Mason Dixon Line, but that’s not a specific cultural region. Most of those states call themselves by other regional names.

But maybe you’re asking about Up North.

Any place north of you, especially if it’s a place you go for vacations or to spend the summer, is usually called “up north.” But there is also a cultural band that could be defined as “almost Canada” that refers to itself as Up North.

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tasukiko@reddit

I feel like the deep north is probably somewhere in Canada.

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camyland@reddit

Deep south is indicative of the history of slavery and plantations so I'm not sure that exists, though there were places that were more accepting and had larger swatches of freed black citizens in the north.

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wombatIsAngry@reddit

I think it's the Far North

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Working-Feed8808@reddit

Yeah, it’s called Canada.

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No_Mony_1185@reddit

I guess that'd be the upper peninsula

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WillieB52@reddit

Only the northern part of Florida is Southern. The panhandle and things north of Daytona embrace Southern Culture. Southern Florida is a mix of Yankees and Carribean cultures.

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ronmarlowe@reddit

Far North

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Awkward_Swordfish597@reddit

New England

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_WeSellBlankets_@reddit

Deep only works as a word for the South because when you look at a map, South is oriented downward just like deep would be. If you're traveling upward you're not getting deeper. I would say far north. And the far north is places like Maine, new hampshire, Vermont and that part of Minnesota that's on the north side of Lake superior. Upper Peninsula of Michigan as well.

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pineconehedgehog@reddit

There is a Downeast. It's the most northern and eastern part of Maine (and arguably maritime Canada as well depending on who you ask).

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cosmicloafer@reddit

Yeah northern Maine can get pretty rednecky

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Blonde_Vampire_1984@reddit

Alaska.

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ApprehensiveBlock847@reddit

"deep" implies "down" and "South" is generally seen as below the north. Saying "deep North" makes no grammatical sense. I've heard of up north, far North, the tundra, but I've never heard anyone say deep North in any context, and I live in the North.

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dr_stre@reddit

You could make an argument for New England and you could make an argument for the Northwoods area of the upper Midwest.

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ZebulonRon@reddit

California and New York come to mind.

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BananaEuphoric8411@reddit

Id argue the US/Canada border states are deep north.

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cheekmo_52@reddit

Not really. You’ve got Alaska which when you thjnk about it really should be…but New England, The mid atlantic, the great lakes, midwest, pacific northwest regions.

I’d argue the midwest, which includes North and South Dakota, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan might qualify. But New England is a contender too.

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boodyclap@reddit

Deep south is where they start speaking French, deep north is where they start speaking French

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Artimesia@reddit

And both French speaking populations have a common origin. The Acadians got kicked out of eastern Canada in the 1700s. Some went west and founded Quebec, some went south to Louisiana and became the Cajuns.

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QuoteGiver@reddit

Is the food as good up there?

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orpheus1980@reddit

I love this!

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MaleficentMousse7473@reddit

I like this take

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kimness1982@reddit

It’s called New England

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ctachicago@reddit

Never thought about the Deep North but have heard North Dakota being referred to as the “Bible Scarf” to reflect the “Bible Belt”

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theLoneliestAardvark@reddit

No, Southern is not just geographic, it is a cultural identity. “Deep South” is where that identify is more prominent and stronger, as things feel southern in Virginia, North Carolina, Kentucky, and Tennessee, but not nearly as much as Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, Georgia, and northern Florida (southern Florida is not culturally “the south” and is kind of its own thing.) “The North” doesn’t really have a shared cultural identity in that way and is either just a geographic term or is a way that South identify what they don’t consider the South. Places like Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan are either “Great Lakes” or “Upper Midwest,” New England is its own thing and if you say “the north” in those places you mean the northern woods where people go on vacation. The Dakotas are part of the Great Plains, Montana and Idaho are part of the mountain west, and Washington is the Pacific Northwest. Alaska is mostly wilderness and if anything the “deep north” would be less developed parts of northern states, wilderness, and vacation homes in those places to most Americans.

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fumblebuttskins@reddit

It’s called Maine.

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jamesgotfryd@reddit

You mean The Great White North. The northern tier of States from Maine West to Idaho.

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gregsw2000@reddit

Far North - Northern New England, or Far New England - the Tri-State area, of Maine, VT and NH.

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Competitive-Bus1816@reddit

It's called New Hampshire, and it makes those Deep Southies look like a bunch of pussies.

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RoweTheGreat@reddit

The deep north would definitely be New England.

Places like Massachusetts, Vermont, etc, and I would say as far south as New Jersey and Delaware, and as far west as the eastern side of PA

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Vulpix_lover@reddit

New England 100%, we're just built that way

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Stfu_butthead@reddit

Coeur d'Alene ID

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os2mac@reddit

absolutely not. CDA is where Californians go when they get too conservative for california.

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Stfu_butthead@reddit

We have different experiences https://www.reddit.com/r/Idaho/s/ZakQGs5SY4

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Maleficent-Ad5112@reddit

I think, definitionally, deep implies down, which we normally attribute to south, so "deep up" wouldn't make sense.

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NukeKicker@reddit

They even wrote a song about it...

https://youtu.be/ngFLzXVf7lE?si=FoD3Urqd4MrzvSpm

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harpejjist@reddit

Far north. Not deep north.

(Well ok the SNOW is deep. But yeah. )

But Deep South isn’t as much geography as ideology. It is a culture and mindset. North isn’t as much of a mindset like that.

We also have Wild West. But not as much of a name for the East.

This is because the country started in the northeast. So that is seen as default. The south and west came later. Also the South lost the civil war. So south and west get derogatory names

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Waagtod@reddit

Far North is what I heard.

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SpecificEquivalent79@reddit

it's vermont and delaware. has to be.

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mondo636@reddit

Maine

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unsurewhatiteration@reddit

If there is a deep north it's Maine.

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capnhist@reddit

Maine and Florida are the only states where the further north you go, the more Southern you get.

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Not_an_alt_69_420@reddit

I'd say it's Northern Wisconsin/Minnesota/Michigan.

The "deep south" isn't really a geographical region, it's a cultural one filled with poor, racist rednecks who hate the government and do meth. I'm not sure how many people are like that in Maine, but they're 3/4 of the population of the Northern Midwest.

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Brisby820@reddit

Nobody even knows what the people in northern Maine are like

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Gold_Telephone_7192@reddit

I’d include New Hampshire in there. Real rural, lotta gun owners, lotta anti-government sentiments, lotta rednecks

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meowmix778@reddit

Yeah but southern NH is just where people live when they commute to MA for work but can't afford to live there

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nomnombooks@reddit

Northern New Hampshire, yes. Southern New Hampshire, no. It's more a mix of NH and Mass cultures.

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Stealth_Howler@reddit

They prefer to identify themselves as hicks

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Gold_Telephone_7192@reddit

Ah good call. Wouldn’t want to use the wrong insult

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ZipTieTechnicianOne@reddit

It’s whea folks come to seek some justice!

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ThrowAwayAccrn@reddit

Idk man, I think Alaska has it

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brn1001@reddit

Washington, Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, and Minnesota all reach further north than Maine.

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woolsocksandsandals@reddit

Anything in Maine east or north of Cumberland county might as well be Alabama.

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5thStESt@reddit

Friend. The Deep South is LA, MS, AL.

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thenewblueblood@reddit

I’d add in some of north Florida and South Georgia to that too…but yeah.

I’m from extremely rural southeastern NC but nothing in the Carolinas or Tennessee has anything on the places you listed

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CardStark@reddit

North Florida is not the Deep South. For 300 of its 500+ years, Florida, including north Florida, was under Spanish rule and escaped slaves from other states were given freedom. Even when it became a US territory, slavery was not as widespread there because there were no plantations.

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thenewblueblood@reddit

Yeah, totally get all of those things, I’m just looking at it differently.

North Florida (besides Jacksonville) has way more in common from a cultural and lifestyle POV with Alabama and Mississippi than it does with any region south of, say, Gainesville or Ocala

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CardStark@reddit

Eh, I don’t agree. Florida is Florida and the only real outliers are Miami and Orlando.

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5thStESt@reddit

Exactly. Nobody is saying the rest of the south is less fced up, just that it’s not uniquely cursed the way those 3 are. Source, me a lifelong southerner who has spent their entire life in 8 different confederate states + DC

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Hey-Bud-Lets-Party@reddit

There is the Great White North, but that is Canada.

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GuerillaRiot@reddit

The Upper Penninsula of Michigan is definitely the northern equivalent of a weird ass isolated swamp community of the deep south.

Source: I grew up in MI for 17 years and have been living in Louisiana for the past 20

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OldWolfNewTricks@reddit

Not really. The Deep South's identity was formed around large-scale slave plantations and the culture they supported. It was distinctly different from the rest of the US. The northern version would probably be the Rust Belt: the heavily industrialized region near the Great Lakes. People from this region shared a common culture, whether they were from Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, or Cincinnati.

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Deep-Hovercraft6716@reddit

Yeah, Canada.

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OhioTry@reddit

New England, especially the northern tier of New England; Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire. They’re much richer than the Deep South, but they’re pretty rural compared to the rest of the Northeast and have a reputation for being culturally distinct, insular, and “creepy”. HP Lovecraft’s fiction doesn’t help, but there is some truth to the stereotype.

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mykepagan@reddit

The cultural opposite of the Deep South would be the big cosmopolitan areas like NY, Los Angeles, Boston, Chicago…

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MrDBS@reddit

Maine’s deep north is called Down East.

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itsa_luigi_time_@reddit

Go deep enough north and it starts feeling like the south again. Maine is a good example.

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ConstantinopleSpolia@reddit

The Upper Peninsula of Michigan would be the heart of this so-called “Deep North” region.

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Organic-Pangolin301@reddit

New Hampshire, once you are 50 miles from MA border.
Its like Mississippi but with cold instead of oppressive humidity

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Pristine-Raisin-823@reddit

I'd call it Canada

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Ocstar11@reddit

Maine and New England have that feel.

I would imagine Michigan, Wisconsin the Dakotas are also far north.

In some states it’s just called the North Country.

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maxsmom0821@reddit

The Northeast Kingdom in Vermont.

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zealot_ratio@reddit

There are various parts of the northern midwest and NY that call themselves the North Country or North woods. I'd say the areas of the north that are close to Canada and away from major urban centers are deep north. We don't use that term.

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RoosterzRevenge@reddit

Its called the far north

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ISuckAtFallout4@reddit

Places like Cornville, ME are 100% it.

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meowmix778@reddit

Do a google search "Tonys Orange God Worship Center" and that's only in Waldoboro ME

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sics2014@reddit

Oh cawd...

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ISuckAtFallout4@reddit

THAT DAMN DOCTUH

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meowmix778@reddit

Here in Maine we have what we call the "county" which is the northern part of the state. It's a bunch of economically depressed areas, rampant with drugs and alcohol, very few industries and some other not great elements for success. It's a completely other state. NH woods are similar. So yes.

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justamom2224@reddit

I had that feeling while exploring Michigan’s UP. The fact that in the winter, most travel is done by snow mobiles… it was enough for me to go “oh yeah, we are in here dawg”.

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WittyFeature6179@reddit

Maine. Definitely Maine.

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quietcoyoti@reddit

Maine and Louisiana both have Acadian populations. Here's a documentary about them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3VUZYxr0MA

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TatarAmerican@reddit

This is the obvious answer, even the radio stations get country-heavy as you drive into Maine.

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El_Polio_Loco@reddit

Rural is rural, but I guess when I think of “Deep South” I take it as the region which most deeply culturally personifies the broader regional stereotypes.

Rednecks exist everywhere, California, Texas, New York etc.

But when I think of “more northern than the other places that are northern”

I’m thinking New England

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WittyFeature6179@reddit

You think of Maine stop playing. Stephen King Maine, Rough Lighthouse keeper. Wary of outsiders? Maine. Hiding deep secrets? Maine.

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El_Polio_Loco@reddit

I think of Cape Cod, Bar Harbor, Kennebunkport, Lake Winnipesaukee, and This Old House accents.

I don’t think of the Deep South as particularly rural, just extremely southern

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Adventurous-Ad5262@reddit

"rednecks exist everywhere" that's so true.

I'm European, a few years back I worked in northern California for 4 months. My ignorant kid mind though California is full of blonde bimbos, tech bros and wanna be stars. Holy cow, my coworkers were full blown rednecks, the hair, the accent, 40 something gun collection, dip, beers, trucks and country music. Anyway, amazing experience

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2muchtequila@reddit

I was in Wisconsin a few years ago on a lake when a glittery bass boat went flying past. As they went I heard someone yell "YEEEEEEeee-Haaaaaaaaaaaaw!"

So if you go North enough, you hit the South again.

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Green_Sprout@reddit

One of my favourite book series' (the Charlie Parker books) paints the Great North Woods of Maine as a Deep North type dealio

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Kielbasa_Nunchucka@reddit

"Deep South" or just "The South" refers to these states just as "New England" or "The Midwest" denotes other groups of states. I live in Western Pennsylvania, kinda wedged between the Midwest and New England.

when I think of "The Far North," I think of the states that immediately border Canada from Michigan to Maine, and only the parts of them that are that far north.

so, most of New York wouldn't be Far North in my mind, but all of Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine would be. Michigan's Upper Peninsula, Wisconsin, and Minnesota too. the Dakotas I kinda lump into their own thing, and Montana starts what I'd consider more Rocky Mountians than just "northlands."

again, this is my personal perception of it, and I've only visited about half of the states I've mentioned. we also have subgroups of states that are more cultural than geographic, such as the Rust Belt (where I'd put my area) and the Bible Belt.

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IcyBus1422@reddit

That would be Canada

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Educational-Buddy-45@reddit

The High North?

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Chefmom61@reddit

I don’t consider South Carolina to be the Deep South.

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Xistential0ne@reddit

Raleigh is the deep North. North Carolina (Bugs Bunny Reference)

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bonzai113@reddit

I'm neither southern nor northern. I'm just a backwoods hillbilly from the Kentucky branch of the Appalachians.

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SirWarm6963@reddit

That would be Michigan's Upper Peninsula. Residents known as Yoopers.

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InevitableLibrary859@reddit

When your "o" drops an octave.

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WhatABeautifulMess@reddit

Northeastern New York that borders Vermont and Canada isn't just upstate, it's The North Country.

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TheOfficialKramer@reddit

No, the northern people don't have the wierd pride about which direction we live. We just think the whole southern thing is super wierd and semi obnoxious.

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ScytheFokker@reddit

Nope, it's shallow AF.

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QuoteGiver@reddit

Vermont.

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Safe_Chicken_6633@reddit

Aroostook county, Maine, Coos county, NH, Northeast Kingdom, VT. Sometimes people go up there and are never heard from again.

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vanillablue_@reddit

In New England, we just call that “New Hampshire”

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MechanicalGodzilla@reddit

"Far North", because we think South is "down" and North is "up".

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secrerofficeninja@reddit

The “deep north” to me would probably be Alaska. The reason we say “Deep South” most of the time is for the very southern conservative views that aren’t found elsewhere. Likewise, many people seem to move to Alaska because they have deep conservative views and want to live by their own rules.

For reference, I live in Pennsylvania and close to what we’d call “Appalachia”. It’s kinda the same as north version of “deep south” but not really

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Rapom613@reddit

Canada

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ihatethesidebar@reddit

Given that Deep South is more about the cultural association, I’d say Deep North would be New England, maybe going down to Philly.

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lildergs@reddit

Yeah it's Canada.

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s7o0a0p@reddit

New England

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botulizard@reddit

I would say New England, if only because lots of places have northerners, but New England is where honest-to-god Yankees come from.

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RYANSOM666@reddit

New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine. I live in the north and those places are mythical to me

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heartzogood@reddit

When I hear the term “Deep North” I think of northwest Maine, northern New Hampshire and Vermonts Northeast Kingdom. If I was from Chicago or Detroit, I’d probably think of the UP and northern Minnesota. Yeah, Idaho and Montana are pretty darn north and isolated, so they share a similar geographic, but they’re influenced a bit by their proximity to the west. Yes, New England has a lot of cultural diversity - no denying that. But so does California and Texas, even Florida with its Cuban, Caribbean, red neck whites and retirees. There’s a zeitgeist of Yankee however throughout long established New England families (think been here more than 100 or 150 years) that might define a bit of the “Deep North” that many people might think of. But for “northern rednecks”? Northern Maine west to Vermonts Northeast Kingdom. Bank on it.

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redsandsfort@reddit

I think Deep South also hints at more extreme typically Southern views and issues, like racism or a far right tilt.

In that context Deep North can be Portland or Vermont.

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Electrical_Can594@reddit

VT, NH and ME?

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greco1492@reddit

I have always referred to this as the far north

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EffectiveAbrocoma759@reddit

Yeah, its New England

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FredGarvin80@reddit

In Maine, prolly anywhere north of Bangor. It's fuckin wilderness up there

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greenmtnfiddler@reddit

We have it but we don't say it.

Michigan = UP/Yoopers, NY = North Country, Vermont = Northeast Kingdom etc.

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Longshot1969@reddit

The deep north is when you end up sharing a lake with Canada.

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PrimusDCE@reddit

I have been in some insane parts of New England and the midwest. Places like rural New Hampshire and Minnesota. Like complete fucking snowbillies.

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saraq11@reddit

Sort of and it’s New England

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EgoSenatus@reddit

The deep north exists, it’s just that hardly anyone lives there. Lots of summer cabins, national forests, and lakes. If the people I know that live up there full time- they’re nice, but they aren’t particularly interested in interacting with you. They live 3 miles from the nearest neighbor for a reason.

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SenatorPencilFace@reddit

IMHO deep north would be the yankee federalist northeastern cost. Maine down to Pennsylvania.

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CoyoteJoe412@reddit

I would argue the "Deep North" should be the north woods areas. Basically the nirthwrn halves of Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota.

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fatloui@reddit

I would argue it’s a where ever people say “don’tcha know”. Just based on watching movies, it seems like the stereotypical equivalent of “bless your heart” for the Deep South.

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Nemoudeis@reddit

The Minnesotan equivalent of 'bless your heart' is 'that's different'. As in:

'What the heck is Bob doing over there with that hot teakettle?'

'I think he's tryin' to de-ice his windshield with it.'

'Well, that's different.'

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BitOfPoisonOnMyBlade@reddit

I came back from the pictured rocks this weekend. Damn is that some amazing scenery, that whole north woods between the MN north shore, WI apostle Islands, and MI Pictured rocks is crazy good….except for almost hitting a moose on the way to Marquetye

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ContributionDapper84@reddit

Also, if the SE is Dixie, is the NE Maysie?

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Own-Independence191@reddit

Allow me to introduce you to the Upper Peninsula.

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Physical_Dentist2284@reddit

The Deep South is Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama. When slaves would get sold they didn’t want to get sold down the river to the Deep South because they knew they would receive the worst treatment down there. It was a scary place. Now it’s a place where lawsuits have come to the Supreme Court to end abortion rights so they can use girls and women’s bodies in ways they don’t consent to. It’s also a place that sued to be able to gerrymander districts to prevent black people from having fair representation. They are also historically bad states to want to be incarcerated in and they lock up a disproportionate amount of black people.

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MeowMeowCollyer@reddit

There’s a far north.

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IIIhateusernames@reddit

I wouldn't call Florida the deep south

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protossaccount@reddit

It’s the culture that develops in the woods. This is the situation for both the north and the south. You’ll find those communities in northern New England and then from Northern Michigan (often called the Upper Peninsula or UP) all the way to North Dakota. I North Dakota is heavily influenced by Minnesota and that slows down in Montana.

Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico is where I would say the West begins. IMO Texas and Oklahoma are western they are more of a mixture of the surrounding state cultures than the ones I just listed.

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cliffhanger69er@reddit

No, but theres a down east!

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Dear_House5774@reddit

The up of Michigan is deep north. Rural Minnesota, Alaska. Anyplace with ranch Dressing, blizzards, and "ope"

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Tarentum566@reddit

“Deep South” is cultural, not climate. That culture is primarily defined by a rural/agrarian worldview, a strong attachment to local tradition, a strong and distinctive accent, and we might say a “laid back” or relaxed atmosphere.

The opposite would probably be either New England states on the Eastern Seaboard, or maybe NYC, or maybe Boston (urban culture of NYC mixed with Yankee culture of NE.) I think a farmer in NH wouldn’t actually be that far apart from a Southerner in some respects, so in my mind I tend to think of the urban/rural dichotomy. To me, the NYC culture feels more opposite than anywhere else.

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WokeUpIAmStillAlive@reddit

Far north maybe?

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LoudCrickets72@reddit

There’s the true north, but that’s Canada

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Mike_in_San_Pedro@reddit

Canada, eh.

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JenniferJuniper6@reddit

Far north.

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TheDreadfulGreat@reddit

New England, for sure.

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1st_JP_Finn@reddit

Deep north would have to be north of Fairbanks. 48 don’t have north.

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Sailor_NEWENGLAND@reddit

New England

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DaughterofTarot@reddit

Being as honest as I can, about what we in Texas would call "Yankee" like attributes. I see it most in people from Ohio and Pennsylvania.

My sister lives in MA, for thirty years or so now! I'm well familiar that there are a ton of cultural differences in New Englander NE. Especially for women. Dress, makeup, nails, they're all super quiet up there, with buffing, skin care, and minimal color application,, straightened hair, where down here we tease it up, lipstick with bold colors, mascara in deep black!

but actual person to person, relating. rudeness, by Southern standards, I see mostly from the two states above. And from PA, Philadelphia particularly!

My brother in law since I'm six years old is from update NY! NYC too for a few years as a young man.

My best friend besides my sisters is from Cincinnati, got another quite dear one from Philly. But it took some time and determination, for me to crack these tougher nuts.

My BIL might still say "Waat? Wast" if you call his name even after 40 years in Houston, but he's mostly accomodated to his surroundings.

My friends from Ohio and Philly are both still hopelessly blunt, so that if we're out for fun, I see people who are just stunned at how they talk, even if I'm used to them and value the person deeper inside!

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combrade@reddit

Idaho destroys any concept of the deep north . It’s more white nationalist and less diverse than the South. It never had slavery but also where the Aryan Nation was founded .

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VentusHermetis@reddit

upper peninsula

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Danilo-11@reddit

Deep South is basically where segregation was the worst

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honorthecrones@reddit

Deep South, far north

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Slow_Balance270@reddit

Yeah and they're just as bad.

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Deepcoma_53@reddit

Yes, Winterfell

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Imaginary_Tailor_227@reddit

It’s High North, and it’s New England.

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KR1735@reddit

Not in the typical parlance.

But if you go up to northern Minnesota, northern Wisconsin, and the UP, you run into very heavily Fenno-Scandinavian communities. More isolated. Populist (not left- or right-wing populist -- just populist). Historically with a strong union presence. It's a unique culture.

You see them elsewhere in those states, but they're really strong up there.

If I called anywhere Deep North, it would be that place.

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cIumsythumbs@reddit

I could really go for a pasty after reading your comment.

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sweetcomputerdragon@reddit

"downeasters" in Maine speak with a Boston accent but they also drawl "Ayuh" means yeah. The good land stops at MA and NY. NH, VT, and ME have poor land, jobs and education. (Deep and somewhat isolated)

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PMmeHappyStraponPics@reddit

Minnesota is North. Wisconsin and Michigan and North Dakota can be North, too.

Everywhere else is the Midwest, the Northeast, or the PNW. Montana is its own thing. Maybe Alaska is Deep North?

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geekdadchris@reddit

When I imagine a “Deep North” I always come back to the North Dakota/Wisconsin/Minnesota cluster in my mind.

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lolBlender@reddit

Wouldn't it be ''up north'' or ''far north'' not deep north?

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halfWolfmother@reddit

Yes. It’s called Canada 🇨🇦

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Apprehensive_Wash914@reddit

How about Far North?

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LouQuacious@reddit

Deep North to me feels like Maine, the UP, and far Northern Minnesota

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Dorkken@reddit

Deep south, shallow north.

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ProfessorOfPancakes@reddit

Yes, Maine

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isakitty@reddit

I feel like if south is down, it can have a “deep” south. But if south is down, then north is up, so maybe it’d be the “Upper North”? As someone from the Deep South, the Upper North is also known as too cold.

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Moist-Meat-Popsicle@reddit

No, it’s called the Far North and it’s Canada.

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duzHuenses@reddit

Yeah a.k.a Canada

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Quarter_Shot@reddit

Not to be pedantic but wouldn't those states be High North?

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Rays-R-Us@reddit

Yep New England

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bstrauss3@reddit

The North Woods

The arc from northern Minnesota to Maine.

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Most_Time8900@reddit

I'm from the Deep North (Western NY).

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Sea_Pause2360@reddit

Upstate maine

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wizardyourlifeforce@reddit

Rural New England where people sound like the Pepperidge Farm guy

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teslavictory@reddit

In New England we say that the further North you go the further South you feel 😅 (Maine and NH start getting conservative again)

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LabInner262@reddit

Yes. It’s called ‘yankeedom’ if you buy into the idea of 11 cultural areas in the us. https://www.wideopencountry.com/map-shows-u-s-divided-11-culture-specific-nations/

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tacobellgittcard@reddit

As others have said, northwoods. Northern MN, WI, and UP of Michigan. Doesn’t quite feel like the rest of the Midwest. Everything feels a little different. Communities are a little more insular, accents are strong, most people who live there grew up there. Summers are short and winters are long. Big outdoors culture, people have boats, ice houses, snowmobiles. Plenty of weird little towns. Tons of forest roads you can wander down and be surrounded by nothing but miles of pines, birch, wetlands. I’ll never forget hearing wolves howling around me while standing in the middle of a frozen lake in the dead of winter. It’s like our own little mini Alaska just hours from civilization

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BackgroundPublic2529@reddit

It's called the Far North

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TheDadThatGrills@reddit

Northern Michigan has a similar sauna culture as the nordics (for good reason), and it hasn't translated to the rust belt... So, yes.

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boytoy421@reddit

New England and upstate New York. They're hicks but not rednecks. It's very strange at first

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brickbaterang@reddit

New England is deep north, Minnesota, Michigan etc are the Frozen Lands

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LeilLikeNeil@reddit

Saskatchewan

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buildyourown@reddit

UP of Michigan.

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sapotts61@reddit

You can't go any deeper north than Alaska!

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General-Aide2517@reddit

Alaska, Minnesota, Dakotas, and Rochester NY (among others) have significantly worse winters than say Ohio, so they get some kind of special recognition in my book.

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philla1@reddit

Idk. When I hear the words “Deep South” I think of racism honestly. And I can’t think of any states up north that make me feel that way.

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Usual-Reputation-154@reddit

Michigan UP

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No_Entertainment_748@reddit

I live in the Appalachians of the north. The Driftless area

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AggravatingBobcat574@reddit

Lake of the Woods, Minnesota IYKYK

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Living_Implement_169@reddit

No because the Deep South almost totally correlates to a type of accent. Deep South = heavy southern accent imo.

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Trinx_@reddit

Yoopers have a pretty unique northern accent.

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Living_Implement_169@reddit

Not even sure what a yooper is

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Trinx_@reddit

Michigan's UP

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Living_Implement_169@reddit

Is it not the same as the Minnesotan/canadian trope

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Pyroluminous@reddit

Deep South… Shallow North?

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CardStark@reddit

Florida is not the Deep South. The Deep South is about culture, not geography.

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Karrotsawa@reddit

Well I'm a Canadian but I'm answering this anyway. It's Deep South vs High North or High Arctic.

As the son of a land surveyor and cartographer, I've spent my life around maps and survey plans.

In the northern hemisphere at least, south is always at the bottom of the map. This is reflected in the English language when we say we're going down south or up north. In my city we say we're going down to or up to some place based on whether the place is in the north end of the city.

So Deep South is a reflection of this, you've gone so far down the map that you're deep down. In Canada and I believe Europe, we sometimes refer to the Arctic regions as the High Arctic or the High North.

So there you go, Deep South and High North.

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Historical_Shopping9@reddit

If you’re taking politics then it’s Long Island. The Deep South is full of people either so stupid or so far up their own ass they can’t see the flaws in far right wing thinking. I’ve never seen more people delusionaly liberal or performatively left wing than in Brooklyn. This to me is the deep North.

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zRustyShackleford@reddit

Alaska?

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Tokkemon@reddit

Yeah, Vermont. It's a weird place that's got a lot of weird parallels to the south. (Mainly rampant rural poverty.)

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Shadow_Lass38@reddit

It's called "Maine."

Also the UP (Upper Peninsula) of Michigan.

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GlitterDreamsicle@reddit

Canada or Alaska

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AngryAlien21@reddit

The Upper Peninsula of Michigan

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bgjj04@reddit

The UP (Upper Peninsula) of Michigan might be a contender.

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Adorable_Dust3799@reddit

Alaska and northern Canada is the far north

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BlueysHorMom@reddit

The UP of Michigan

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Sean_theLeprachaun@reddit

Ayuh.

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Call_Me_Papa_Bill@reddit

Grew up in central Michigan, now live in southern Michigan. Would argue the “Deep North” is the same as the Deep South except with different accents.

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AdamOnFirst@reddit

There’s an upper Midwest

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DaddyCatALSO@reddit

That's if anything the Far North, although that is more applied to above 54-40. Deep implies hot or low-numbered; a Deep North exists in Australia. If I ever do my novel *The Animals Of Utopia* the chillier area, with its dinosaurs, will be called "the High South."

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Trinx_@reddit

Michigan's Upper Peninsula is pretty far up there. Yoopers are distinctly different from folks in Southern Michigan.

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os2mac@reddit

Alaska would like a word...

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th7024@reddit

That is coming in the next expansion.

https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Deep_North

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SnooRabbits1411@reddit

There’s a far north, idk about a deep north though. I’d bet it has to do with how north and south are associated with up and down.

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Arcaeca2@reddit

If there's a Deep South, why isn't there a Wide South?

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TheCurseOfRandyBass@reddit

To me the Iron Range is the deep North

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CasanovaF@reddit

That is so true! I came here to say that!

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panda2502wolf@reddit

Yeah Maine.

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ChrisBourbon27@reddit

Florida is not the south

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Expensive-View-8586@reddit

The otas. Minnesota, north dekota, sure south dekota. Deep north.

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Playful_Fan4035@reddit

The “deep north” is everything north of the arctic circle where they have 24 hours of sunlight in summer and 24 hours of darkness in winter. So only Alaska is the only state that is part of the deep north. 😄

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karenmcgrane@reddit

I believe there is a band of the northern US that I describe as "South Canada" that could be described also as the "Deep North." It is not New England, it's more the northern parts of the states from roughly North Dakota to Maine that border Canada. Not the whole state, just the top part.

I argue the people of northern Minnesota and Maine have more in common with each other, and also with Canadians, than they do with the people further south from them.

Someone could fight me about the states further west, but I don't think Montana, Idaho, and Washington qualify as the Deep North.

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garydavis9361@reddit

I think it's called the Deep South because of the orientation of maps. The south is lower on a map if it is posted on a wall, hence it's "deep."

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Ellavemia@reddit

Upper Peninsula of Michigan

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Brotmeister_Wannabe@reddit

Nah, just the Deep South. Still pissed about the civil war. Still racist. Still backwards. Only solution, get everyone together for a marihuana smoke in and feel the love for our common humanity on this rock.

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pixienightingale@reddit

Pacific Northwest would be the West Coast equivalent of the Deep South - for it being the opposite.

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Steerider@reddit

Yeah. It's called Canada.

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river_tree_nut@reddit

I'm from North Dakota and have also lived in Minnesota, as well as Georgia and South Carolina. There are some whopping big cultural differences, but I wouldn't call it the deep north. The term is oxymoronic to being with. I think far north is a better descriptor.

Two big things come to mind. First is that the deep south culture is much more developed. We're talking over 400 years vs barely 150 up north. The history is deeper in the south. The 2nd is that the bigotry seemed much more ingrained in the south.

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drlove57@reddit

Eh!

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Bonch_and_Clyde@reddit

There's a far north. Where you get Northern Exposure.

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rededelk@reddit

Montucky

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la-anah@reddit

I can see northern Maine and New Hampshire being the "deep north." People in the more developed parts of New England just sort of assume cannibals live up by the Canadian border.

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Trick_Minute2259@reddit

Most of florida isn't the south, just the panhandle and west and central north Florida. Kinda funny; the southern part isn't the south, and the northern part is the south.

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Ok_Organization_7350@reddit

Yes, but it's called High North, not Deep North.

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Synensys@reddit

Minnesota is the deep north.

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tanya6k@reddit

The territories in Canada maybe?

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IanDOsmond@reddit

There's an old saying, less true now than when it was written, but still:

To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.
To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.
To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.
To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.
And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast

The problem with that is that New York stole the word "Yankee" from us New Englanders to name their baseball team, which is one of the reasons we have such antipathy toward them. The other being that they stole Babe Ruth.

But, yeah, "deep North" is Vermont, Northern New Hampshire, and backwoods Maine.

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finnbee2@reddit

Minnesota is the furthest north of all the contiguous states.

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Zestyclose-Cap1829@reddit

Nunavut

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FoolhardyBastard@reddit

There is a saying in the upper Midwest, “the further north you go, the further south it gets.” If that’s any indication for ya.

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ThrowAwayAccrn@reddit

Alaska is the farthest north state so I guess that counts

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SadProperty1352@reddit

Far north

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Crazy_Response_9009@reddit

The most “southern” place I’ve ever been was in western NJ. A close second was way upstate NY.

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anyavailible@reddit

It’s called the far north

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JaguarMammoth6231@reddit

At risk of stating the obvious but no one else has yet: North is up and South is down. Deeper is down more. So that's why you don't hear deep north, since going up doesn't get deeper.

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Humble_Turnip_3948@reddit

When you pass the deer crossing signs and see moose crossings.

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FormerlyDK@reddit

You might hear mention of the “far north”.

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Ok-Environment-6239@reddit

Yes. The woods of VT, NH, and ME

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3mta3jvq@reddit

The Dakotas.

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skadi_shev@reddit

Usually it’s called the far north or something like that. I think of it as the northern third of my state (MN). The north woods.

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Similar_Jackfruit555@reddit

Montana

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Masshole205@reddit

Everything north and east of Hartford

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AutofluorescentPuku@reddit

There’s the Deep South and the Far North

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Wrong-Day6752@reddit

Alaska.

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Bootmacher@reddit

The places with the really long vowels.

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Ok_Gas5386@reddit

I’m going to say the northeast corridor, Boston to Washington DC. Not the north woods

We’re all familiar with the fact that the “Deep South” is not simply the furthest south you can go. You go far enough south eventually you hit Miami and you’re back up in Manhattan.

It’s horseshoe theory. You keep heading south past the nascar fans, backwoods, and cotton fields eventually you start seeing finance bros and skyscrapers. Similarly, if you keep heading north past the ivy leagues and biotech you start seeing confederate flags and gun ranges.

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emptybagofdicks@reddit

Isn't that just Alaska?

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Bogmanbob@reddit

Spend a little time around Appleton and you'll get your answer.

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Ok_Gas5386@reddit

Canada, the deepest north

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kewaywi@reddit

I think it’s Dorchester

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ChiliAndRamen@reddit

Alaska

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Delicious_Oil9902@reddit

Probably New York and the Counties surrounding it - perhaps the PHIL-BOS

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Aggressive_Ad_5454@reddit

State of Maine. It’s said of us Mainers that we are kind but not nice. The guy down the road will pull my car out of the ditch, but he will also explain to me what a freakin’ idiot I must be to get into the ditch in the first place.

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TallDudeInSC@reddit

Oil country in North Dakota...

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shammy_dammy@reddit

South is down...and down is deep. North is up....upper Midwest.

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confuzzledDeer7267@reddit

You mean the rural areas of the northern states. Thats the part where you see confederate flags and trump flying on the same flag pole as the American flag.

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Neb-Nose@reddit

Western PA is more split than Eastern PA, but it’s still mostly blue. It’s Central PA that’s ruby red.

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CarcosaRorschach@reddit

Deep North would be Idaho, where the further North you go, the deeper South it feels.

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peter303_@reddit

Polar bears

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OldRaj@reddit

Southern Indiana is Southern. Technically Yankee territory, it’s southern.

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jeff1074@reddit

If think that is like minisoda, Wisconsin and upper Michigan. They have a vibe up there

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ChannelPure6715@reddit

I mean, you go far enough north, you get hillbillies everywhere

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MotherofaPickle@reddit

Depends on your definition of “hillbillies”.

Where I live, we have actual hillbillies, but we just say, “Oh! You’re from down the holler?” Where I grew up, we might just say, “Oh! So you’re a dumbass who voted for Trump? How racist are you?” (Better gun control where I grew up.)

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ChannelPure6715@reddit

Different accent but yeah. Same. Right up the the sister mom complex

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IA_Royalty@reddit

Interesting. I'd have considered it "the far north"

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tn00bz@reddit

Its the deep south and the far north.

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notacanuckskibum@reddit

I think it’s called Canada

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Agreeable-Note-1996@reddit

The Upper Peninsula of Michigan

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bitsybear1727@reddit

Deep south... Up north

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Ippus_21@reddit

Sandpoint, Idaho.

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7empestSpiralout@reddit

Deep is down, so Deep South makes since. The north equivalent should be called the High North, lol

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ajfoscu@reddit

NEK (Northeast Kingdom) Vermont

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DracTheBat178@reddit

We call that Canada

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TexasPrarieChicken@reddit

Northern Maine, Northern New Hampshire.

Pretty much anything above the 45th Parallel.

Vermont is weird too but in a different way.

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Sal1160@reddit

Upper Maine/Alaska

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BlackshirtDefense@reddit

New England might be your first thought, but if we're talking about a true "deep" North, I would consider Upstate ME / NH / VT to be pretty remote territory.

And then another Deep "Central" North with the Dakotas, parts of MN, and MT.

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Odd-Advantage4028@reddit

New England and the Midwest are not the same thing. Not even cousins.

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Inside-Beyond-4672@reddit

Alaska.

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manicpixidreamgirl04@reddit

I've heard that Canada has a Deep North.

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GrowlingAtTheWorld@reddit

Deep north is Canada.

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Zappavishnu@reddit

New Hampshire - the Alabama of the north

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Sparkle_Rott@reddit

Far north is a more common term.

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WhiskeyYankee94@reddit

It’s called upstate New York in Central Pennsylvania. Just around the Great Lakes, but in the really small towns.

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MustardKarl@reddit

TOLEDO

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MaleficentMousse7473@reddit

Central Maine (TR’s) and Aroostook County

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pikkdogs@reddit

Nobody says that phrase. But, I guess it exists.

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dth1717@reddit

Northern Michigan is a lot like the deep south..

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pookapotomus2@reddit

I’m picturing moose in the tundra being like “welcome to the deep north”

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HudsonAtHeart@reddit

Maine, NH, and upstate NY past the Adirondacks. Vermont does its own thing

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nwbrown@reddit

Definitely Alaska. Almost Minnesota North Dakota, and any other state whose accent might be conflated with a Canadian accent.

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towndrunkislandslut@reddit

It’s called Southern Canada, and it’s the Northern most part of the Mid West.

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Average_Pangolin@reddit

Ayup. But you can't get there from here.

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Aggressive-Emu5358@reddit

Boston?

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malibuklw@reddit

Along the Canadian border maybe?

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MotherofaPickle@reddit

New England is absolutely Deep North.

Maybe PNW, too, but I haven’t visited there in a few years.

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xRVAx@reddit

The great northwest or the far north

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payperplain@reddit

Minnesota and North Dakota are officially Deep North. They are not Midwestern despite what they try to claim. They are too far north to be Midwest.

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Sea_Macaron_7962@reddit

I’m assuming u mean what the og term deep south refers to. Country bumpkins. I mean…maybe Minnesota? 🤪

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FairNeedleworker9722@reddit

I've heard the term "Far North" referring to the northern region on MN and ND. Also Ohio along Lake Erie is called "The North Coast".

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wampastompa09@reddit

Yes…

“The Northeast Kingdom” of Vermont.

See: Victory, VT, which is corrupt and probably has been evading taxes for a few decades.

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nine_of_swords@reddit

Anything north of the 900 mile as the crow flies distance circle centered at Birmingham and east of the 100 meridian.

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NPHighview@reddit

Say “Yah!” to da UP, eh?

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imthe5thking@reddit

Deep North would be pretty much anywhere that gets a brutal winter, I think. Between eastern Montana and northern Minnesota, as well as the rural areas north of Massachusetts.

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Guinnessron@reddit

Canada

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Ok_Street1103@reddit

The only one I think qualifies is Alaska - the actual Arctic state lol

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mikethomas4th@reddit

It has to be the Northwoods region. Its the same exact thing as "deep north" just with a different lable.

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CandleSea4961@reddit

Just New England- encompasses a lot. Definite way of life! All called Yankee down here.,

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K9WorkingDog@reddit

Maine. Way more racist too

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Proper-Application69@reddit

The south refers to far north as the deep state.

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hobokobo1028@reddit

Northern WI/MN, MT, the UP of MI

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ReplyDifficult3985@reddit

Deep south to me is also a cultural thing. Where people associate the south for better or worse with rural super conservative racism, low education and poverty. The "deep north" would be the opposite "very urban, wealthy well educated culturaly diverse and liberal" so i would say eastern PA to southern Maine would be the "deep north"

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Plastic_Kangaroo675@reddit

Wisconsin has an Up North.

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vinyl1earthlink@reddit

Massachusetts - see The Bluest State, by Jon Keller.

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RichInBunlyGoodness@reddit

"Up north" or "north woods" is how we in southern Wisconsin refer to the north northern parts of Wisconsin and UP. "Boundary waters" or Superior Hiking trail is how I refer to the northern parts of Minnesota.

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PoopsieDoodler@reddit

We call it far north

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Intelligent_Pop1173@reddit

While not called the deep North, it does not get much more northern than the Northeast. It’s a whole vibe lol coming from someone from upstate NY who also lived in Georgia for a few years.

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Fishtails@reddit

Alaska

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Only-Friend-8483@reddit

It’s usually called the “Far North” or “The Great North Woods”

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Steamsagoodham@reddit

Canada

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Imightbeafanofthis@reddit

I usually refer to them as the far north.

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jephph_@reddit

Appalachia but the northern part

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Livid_Number_@reddit

If we’re including all the states, Alaska seems to fit “deep north” well.

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AnnDestroysTheWorld@reddit

"Deep North" is one hell of an oxymoron

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DrMindbendersMonocle@reddit

You are going to have to explain how it is an oxymoron. It would just mean well into the North

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Jackylacky_@reddit (OP)

I mean…to be fair, ‘Deep’ just means you’re really far into something. People often use deep to describe a place that’s below a surface, but it can also be used to describe a place that’s really far into something.

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johndaylight@reddit

Probably Alaska

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Previous-Artist-9252@reddit

I am from New England, north of the snow line. Now that I live in the Mid-Atlantic permanently, I tell people I am “from the snowy northlands” and my coworkers from Upstate New York and Vermont have taken up the habit.

I think it counts.

Although I am scared that our Deep North cores of Minnesota and northern Maine no longer freeze over their lakes in the winter. The Deep North may be disappearing.

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Commercial-Lack6279@reddit

Subdivided

PNW and NE would both be deep north

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Smoopiebear@reddit

North Dakota.