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Individual-Engine401@reddit

This is sickening & MAGA knows this will cause utter chaos. It’s all part of their plan to create mayhem and they will cast blame on democrats. Starvation of a civilian population is a war crime, a crime against humanity, and/or an act of genocide. This is MAGA’s America.

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Responsible-Sundae25@reddit

Do you choose to be this clueless or is it genetic? How many clean CR bill attempts at this point? How many has been voted on by the DNC in the past? Do you believe in holding the country hostage to pass legislation? The amount of uneducated people on Reddit who claim to have an understanding is astounding.

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Individual-Engine401@reddit

Open your eyes. Your MAGA are the people who continue to hold the country hostage, literally some American citizens abducted right off the street & put into ‘camps’, claiming they are illegals. Americans are in danger if they are not worshipper of Trump or bow down to MAGA Heritage rhetoric. Your fascist party is destroying our democracy. FDT

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Responsible-Sundae25@reddit

I can look at both parties and believe they are screwing us over the same. Clearly you are a blue no matter who, which is why no changes happen. If the GOP was adamant on additional cuts or adds to this bill, I would be in their ass.

That’s not happening, it’s a clean CR that DNC doesn’t want to vote on. That’s the reality, that’s the facts. I’m fortunate enough to not need these benefits. Enjoy the consequences for your voting action.

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Individual-Engine401@reddit

I care about my fellow Americans & the greater good, i don’t receive any assistance from the gov’t, thank heavens. Destroying our Healthcare, selling off land to the highest bidder & opening up countless acres of land that should never be touched to drill oil & mine minerals, turning our military on its citizens, trying to add seats to change elections, the unethical autocratic list is endless. Keep telling yourself whatever helps u sleep at night. This is why I marched in protest today 🚫👑

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Responsible-Sundae25@reddit

You care so much about your fellow Americans that you support a party that is holding those critical benefits hostage for additional 1.5 trillion dollars in spending. The DNC could vote on a clean CR bill; restore benefits and work out a deal.

Happy you went out, marched and protested, it’s a right we enjoy.

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Individual-Engine401@reddit

I’m against an authoritarian grifting administration. The reality is MAGA has become unAmerican, how anyone can support the GOP now is unfathomable.

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Responsible-Sundae25@reddit

You are clearly of low intelligence, reading comprehension or English language is an issue for you. Good luck out there. Please continue to be a speaker, we need more of you to billboard the cause.

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SoDamnNerdy@reddit

The uneducated parts checks out with your comment

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Responsible-Sundae25@reddit

Do you believe one day that these karma points you get will turn into a social credit score?

Incapable of answering any of the questions I ask and yet provides no value to the conversation.

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Roboticpoultry@reddit

What’s the old saying? Something about 9 missed meals from anarchy or some such?

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stallion8151@reddit

I have relatives on SNAP.

Fucking totally expecting them at my doorstep, cup in hand.

Despite the fact we're barely making it ourselves.

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Annihilator4413@reddit

Unless they didn't vote for this shitstain, I'd tell them to kick rocks.

Maybe some food for kids if they have any, but the parents can go fuck themselves if they voted for Trump, they deserve everything they're getting. Only the children deserve any sympathy and help.

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LakeSun@reddit

Well, MAGA never believed Trump would screw them over.

History shows Republicans do this every time they can, but, MAGA doesn't believe in history.

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Jwast@reddit

I live in one of the reddest areas in the country, rural WV, the food pantry in my town is only open twice a week for 4 hours at a time since it's such a small town. I drove by two weeks ago and the line was three blocks long.... Our entire towns population is under 5k people and I would bet anything, over 90% of them will vote straight R ticket in 2028.

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carlitospig@reddit

A smart person would pretend to stand in line with them to hear what they’re saying. Maybe…use and redirect that energy… 😉

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Broken_Atoms@reddit

I’ve been doing that. As soon as they are confronted with the facts, they shut down and ignore because they have integrated lies into their belief system and that is very hard to change. I firmly believe that’s why the republicans preach the whole Christian nationalism thing, because that makes it easier to branch off of people’s religious beliefs. The people that infected them with those untruths… global warming is fake, brown people took your job instead of rich people who really took your job, etc. have been extraordinarily persuasive. It takes a lot of energy and patience to work through the logic and help them reach more truthful conclusions. We have to keep trying though, while there is still something left.

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Yukidaore@reddit

The first American institution the billionaires corrupted is the church, through the prosperity gospel. They made being wealthy a sign of virtue for the religious, rather than the cruelty and exploitation it actually is. It goes to show how few of the religious have ever actually read the bible, since Jesus could not have been much more explicitly against the accumulation of wealth.

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erbush1988@reddit

Well it's all Bidens fault from that one thing he did when he was president in 2010!

/s for the regarded

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Responsible-Sundae25@reddit

How do you walk around so smug that you can’t spend 5 minutes to research before opening your mouth?

How many attempts has GOP attempted to pass a clean CR Bill? How many times in the past has the DNC voted on the same CR? Do you always paint clown makeup on in the mornings?

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Oscar_Whispers@reddit

Found the guy responsible for this.

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Annihilator4413@reddit

Fuck off

Anything 'good' the GOP tries to pass is only because they have a bunch of bad shit baked in that harms the 99% and greatly benefits the 1%

Dems refuse to pass those bills because of shady shit thrown in with them

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stimulants_and_yoga@reddit

I hate that I hope my maga family feels some pain because I swear it’s the only way they’ll learn

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blimkim@reddit

They will not. I've been reading the food stamp forum. The maga propaganda seems to be "The dems are refusing to end the govt shutdown because they want to give healthcare to illegals". Which is not true but they believe anything their masters say without question.

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5erif@reddit

Most official US government websites are calling it "the Democrat shutdown" and painting orange man as a hero too.

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Longjumping-Day7821@reddit

I can’t imagine choosing to feed someone or not based on who they voted for.

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SunnySpot69@reddit

Can't help but feel this is intentional...

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Cautious_Advantage47@reddit

The rich are stealing from the poor. And they want us to fight each other, blaming each other as we starve.

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Euphoric-Witness-824@reddit

They also are itching for a reason to declare war on America. They need desperate people to do desperate things. The rich can’t wait to turn America into Russia 2.0

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Longjumping-Day7821@reddit

This is true.

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JohnnyBoy11@reddit

Gotta send those NG into those liberal cities somehow

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WolfDragon7721@reddit

"No society is more than three meals away from revolution"

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superanth@reddit

The Roman government kept the citizens happy and content with free bread, because they knew what the alternative would have been.

We're about to see the alternative.

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TheVagabond@reddit

The bread grows stale and the circuses dull.

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AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit

Going to see arguments at registers from this.

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Federal-Laugh1591@reddit

Having worked retail, I really feel for those cashiers. It’s not their fault by any means, but they’re the ones who will get the verbal abuse from it.

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ConfidentPilot1729@reddit

It’s always people that never waited tables or worked retail too.

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Federal-Laugh1591@reddit

Or the retired retail workers, who retired ages ago, back when stores actually staffed their departments.

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cakesofthepatty414@reddit

A fucking men

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BeraldGevins@reddit

What’s interesting is a lot of small town and locally owned grocery stores really depend on food stamp recipients shopping in the early parts of the month. I worked at a lot of grocery stores from the time I was 16 until I got a bachelors degree at 27 and became a teacher. And in that time the most profitable days at ANY grocery store, even the larger ones, were the food stamp days on the 1st, 5th and 10th. Like double or more the usual amount of money these stores brought in. And the stores really depend on those huge infusions of money every month to get through the slower days towards the end of the month. So without that money I would not be shocked to see grocery stores start laying people off. It’ll be a while before that effect starts to appear I think, most of them are probably going to try and hold out until the shutdown hopefully ends. But if this goes on past Christmas don’t be shocked if a lot of small grocery stores start to close down or greatly reduce their operating staff and hours. The food deserts that are going to result from this are going to be shocking. Rural areas especially are really going to hurt. Where I grew up in Oklahoma, the nearest Walmart (which I expect will be one of the stores that aren’t hurt as bad and will survive) was 45 minutes away. What will poor people with no car or gas money do when they need to get groceries and they have no store nearby? It’s terrifying to think of. Even when food stamps are hopefully eventually restored in this worst case scenario, those stores aren’t going to just magically reopen. The potential effects of this are going to be staggering.

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blimkim@reddit

I was reading the comments on the food stamps sub and one of the social workers mentioned that her office had "already reached out to local law enforcement" regarding this so they could be stationed at the office. Another noted they already get knives pulled on them just in the normal line of work so is concerned about how this will escalate.

Hopefully walmart et al consider asking their local enforcement for a bit of backup as well.

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Unique-Sock3366@reddit

That sub is incredibly informative. And, often, very sad.

A post a few days ago by some workers indicated that applications are way up. Many people who are far above the qualifying income level are applying and are stunned to learn that they don’t qualify.

Everyday people, families, and communities are hurting so badly financially and things are almost certainly going to get very bad indeed, rather than better.

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Velo214@reddit

Bread and circuses. They now control all the circuses. Now they want to cut our bread. Let's see if this works how they want it too

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Puzzleheaded-You2437@reddit

“They want our bread” in reference to SNAP is a wild take. You mean they want other hardworking people’s bread.

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UnluckyDuckOU812@reddit

“Let them eat soybeans!” - TrumpSocial Post at 3am tonight

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Pea-and-Pen@reddit

I don’t have any idea how the SNAP benefits work. I would assume they are allocated at the beginning of each month? If that is the case, we can hope that people have already used their benefits for October and the shutdown will be over before November starts.

People always ask if you would share your preps during a disaster. This may not be a disaster for me, or many of us here, but it sure as heck is a disaster for many people. In this case, my 6+ month of food for 6 people could feed quite a few people for a bit. And I’m ready to do that if it comes to that in Missouri and I know of people in need in my area.

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dallasalice88@reddit

You are an awesome human. I'm a public school teacher and I, as well as some of my coworkers are prepared to help our low income students and their families if this happens. Our school lunch program is already suffering. We have decided to just bulk buy food as a collective group and feed our vulnerable kids the good old Black Panther way.

I will not tolerate a child going hungry because of this bullshit.

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Equivalent-Buyer-841@reddit

Where I live these kids got cut off from their school lunches because they ran up a debt on them. Local guy offered to pay off all this debt. School board refused. Said they needed to teach kids lessons about self reliance and meeting their obligations. Then they fired the lunch lady who slipped the kid an apple - which was going to be thrown away and charged her with theft. These are the people running this folks. Get ready for a bumpy ride!!

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Pea-and-Pen@reddit

Yeah I’m having issues with people acting like this is a good thing to teach people a lesson. Not when kids are involved. That’s totally unacceptable.

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danjouswoodenhand@reddit

I have no problem helping the people in my community. But my neighbors who are still proudly MAGA will only get thoughts and prayers. I hear it's the most effective way to solve a problem.

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Seaweed-Basic@reddit

No handouts for them, like they asked for!

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Pea-and-Pen@reddit

Definitely have a good point there!

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snail_bites@reddit

Looks like they are not processing applications. People currently enrolled will still get their $, but it's not just new people that will be rejected because you have to re-enroll in SNAP periodically. I think the frequency depends on where you live and where you fall within the income limit. Even if all of your info stays the same, no new income, same situation as the last application, you have to reapply and go through an interview to get it. It's genuinely insane how stringent the application/enrollment is for 200 bucks a month that is limited to cold food items.

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Awkward_Ostrich_4275@reddit

“If the federal government is still shut down on Oct. 21, state leaders will warn recipients they won't get November benefits. If the shutdown extends to Nov. 1, active or reinstated SNAP cases won't be approved.”

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P0Rt1ng4Duty@reddit

Does that mean everyone who is on it will have to re-apply?

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Outrageous-Price-673@reddit

Anyone with property and soil should be growing food to trade for goods and services. They should have started 3 months ago. Unfortunately

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jareddeity@reddit

What the government gives, the government can always take back. Dont put yourself in a position to be subservient to the government and youll be okay.

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LittlehouseonTHELAND@reddit

What are all the disabled and elderly folks supposed to do, exactly? Not to mention all the kids who are going to be hurt by this. Some people don’t have a choice...

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Alvintergeise@reddit

Will the government is supposed to be, you know, us. Otherizing the government is partly how we got here. It separates the people from the very power they need/have to make changes that are positive for them and instead makes people see that system as something that exploits them or can be exploited. There is no "the government", there's just the people.

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CityCareless@reddit

Sometimes more easily said than done….

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jareddeity@reddit

Thats… fair. But we all need to take more responsibility for our own problems, mainly decision making.

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Slayers_Picks@reddit

Okay, i need some education. Isn't Minnesota run by democrats? Are they the ones who stopped SNAP benefits? or is it a federal thing? (I'm australian, so i apologise for the stupid question)

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twospirit76@reddit

Good. The only way out of this is maximizing pain on the American people until they wake the fuck up.

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wanderingpeddlar@reddit

And what about the ones that didn't vote for TACO? They are going to suffer the same and the ones that did.

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dallasalice88@reddit

Yeah, last I heard kids can't vote. But they will go hungry anyway, no matter who their parents voted for. And that's not right. If someone is wishing hunger on children just because of parental politics, then we become no better than the MAGA ass clowns.

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wanderingpeddlar@reddit

Yeah, last I heard kids can't vote.

Last I heard kids have parents

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FuckSpezler@reddit

Literally one of the founding concepts of our entire system of governance is that unlike many medieval/feudal systems a persons children are not responsible for their failings (be they criminal, financial, or social).

Kids do not deserve to starve because their parents voted poorly.

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twospirit76@reddit

We're all suffering in one way or another. This gets much worse before it gets better.

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cyanescens_burn@reddit

Watch them flip the blame. And watch the base eat it up.

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kama-sumatra@reddit

They already blamed the democrats for their shut down bc apparently dems want free health care for undocumented immigrants and what's why an agreement couldn't be made.

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jijitsu-princess@reddit

This is wild to me. People already struggling and prob don’t have much to fall back on if at all.

When did we get to the point when we thought it was okay for people to starve?

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biobennett@reddit

When the party that controls all three branches of government decided that billionaires needed tax breaks and government subsidies more than those living near or below the poverty line.

It blows my mind that in a country as rich as the US, just the unpaid taxes of the ultra wealthy could be used to completely eliminate poverty in America, but instead they gut the IRS to prevent any enforcement or collection of the taxes owed

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buttersofthands@reddit

They'd rather burn it all down than share a meal with a poor.

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PaintedGeneral@reddit

All current states reward antisocial behavior, just in varying degrees because of status seeking behavior rewarded by us to the limited amount of people who seek these positions. Highly recommend the book Goliath’s Curse, to maybe understand this phenomenon.

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ForthrightGhost@reddit

The wording you’re looking for is Dark Triad and Tetrad personalities. In Psych, they affect 1% of males in the US, mostly white dudes. Much larger number for unknowns, and then there are dudes who have high levels of Dark Triad traits, but not clinically psychopathic, narcissistic, machiavellian or sadist and these are unknown too.

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PaintedGeneral@reddit

Yes, thank you. Also covered in Kemp’s book!

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ForthrightGhost@reddit

You’re welcome! This affects all males in the world by the way, I’m only stating the US because that’s all I know currently. Some Women are involved too, but the majority of our problems is because of the white patriarchy.

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biobennett@reddit

I'll give it a read

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Skinny-on-the-Inside@reddit

When people started thinking that getting enraged by an entertainment network masquerading as news and owned by a foreigner (Murdoch) made a patriot.

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ESPGTR@reddit

Accelerationism

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Affectionate-Swim772@reddit

Whenever people became able to say shit like "personal responsibility"and just generally arguing against free school lunches without the whole town lining up to beat their ass for openly supporting the starving of children in their own neighborhoods.

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Head-Engineering-847@reddit

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Imaginary_Poetry_233@reddit

Its been okay for a long time in the US. Elderly and disabled Americans are routinely denied SNAP benefits while illegal aliens are/were eating better than they had any right to on our dime.

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PennanceDreadful@reddit

Illegal immigrants do not qualify for federally funded SNAP in any state. Certain legal permanent residents, verified asylees and VAWA applicants l (domestic violence & trafficking victims) may qualify under federal rules.

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Imaginary_Poetry_233@reddit

I don't consider people that were waved in without proper verification by Democrats legal. Millions of people that were allowed in by Biden are or were receiving benefits.

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hoirkasp@reddit

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Imaginary_Poetry_233@reddit

They are getting deported by ICE. They have lost their special privileges. Your mocking is a little silly at this point.

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jijitsu-princess@reddit

You realize this was attempted back in the 20s around the beginning of the Great Depression right? Deporting of immigrants. Look how well that turned out for the US.

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hoirkasp@reddit

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PennanceDreadful@reddit

You are misinformed. Eligibility workers do not approve benefits for people that congressional laws (as passed by both major parties since the 90’s) exclude from receiving benefits. Illegal immigrants do not get approved for federally funded benefits.

I have worked as an eligibility worker. Families that have immigrants in their household have the immigrant’s income counted against their household, and anyone with lapsed, ineligible, or no status does not get included in any grant allowances. We regularly denied anyone that congressional passed rules + immigration documents showed as not eligible.

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Imaginary_Poetry_233@reddit

A lot of winky wink crap goes on concerning technically ineligible people. I know people too.

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cassanderer@reddit

Fox news did that the last 20 years.

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Michellenjon_2010@reddit

November of last year.

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ZeePirate@reddit

Desperate people are easier to exploit.

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Pea-and-Pen@reddit

It’s only the assholes who think that.

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Fastgirl600@reddit

Starving people will do some desperate things...

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TheStockFatherDC@reddit

Are they gonna eat the pets!?

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RiceFriskie@reddit

No, probably the rich though.

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texan01@reddit

I’ve read a book about this exact scenario, it’s gonna get ugly quick.

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Liminal__penumbra@reddit

My guess that's the intention. Foment unrest in "blue" states to justify a declaration of martial law in those states.

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-Calm_Skin-@reddit

Blue states will likely provide somehow, especially those with their heads above water. Can’t wait to see what red states do.

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llmercll@reddit

Everything's the intention

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MistyMtn421@reddit

Federal courts shut down on the 17th too. Those same federal courts that kept the deployment of the guard to Portland and Chicago.

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No_Pirate_1409@reddit

Wait for real?

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MistyMtn421@reddit

Pretty much. This is a bit vague, not sure if a hearing would be labeled "essential" in these circumstances. In any event, it will be a skeleton crew

https://www.uscourts.gov/data-news/judiciary-news/2025/10/01/judiciary-still-operating-shutdown-starts?hl=en-US#:~:text=Despite%20a%20federal%20government%20shutdown,deadlines%20will%20occur%20as%20scheduled.

~From the link

Judiciary Still Operating as Shutdown Starts Published on October 1, 2025 Updated: Oct. 1, 2025 at 12:35 p.m.

Despite a federal government shutdown that began on Oct. 1, the Judiciary remains open and will continue paid operations through Friday, Oct. 17, by using court fee balances and other funds not dependent on a new appropriation.

Most proceedings and deadlines will occur as scheduled. In cases where an attorney from an executive branch agency is not working because of the shutdown, hearing and filing dates may be rescheduled.

The Case Management/Electronic Case Files (CM/ECF) system also will remain in operation for electronic filing of documents.

The Judiciary initially confirmed that it could continue paid operations through Oct. 3, adding that it was assessing whether there were sufficient funds to support operations beyond that date. The assessment identified available fees and balances to pay for an additional two weeks.

If the shutdown continues after Judiciary funds are exhausted, the courts will then operate under the terms of the Anti-Deficiency Act, which allows work to continue during a lapse in appropriations if it is necessary to support the exercise of Article III judicial powers. Under this scenario, each court and federal defender’s office would determine the staffing resources necessary to support such work.

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bobnuggerman@reddit

During the longest shutdown of 34 days, courts still operated just under essential staffing. I'd assume the district and appeals courts ruling on the national guard stuff will still be running, and cases like those will be essential

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mrtailormade99@reddit

May I ask which book?

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texan01@reddit

Cry Havoc by A. American.

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