The sti should be their halo car and marketed as such. Should come with at minimum 400hp. The wrx and brz can be the affordable sports cars while the sti is the whole grail
This is likely the answer. Almost everybody in here saying they will buy one will find an excuse to not buy one when/if the time comes. They will say it’s too expensive or too slow or the interior isn’t nice enough or some damn thing. Subaru will discontinue it for insufficient demand, and then the people who didn’t buy one will go back to saying they would buy one if Subaru would make it.
Happens every time. I hope Subaru makes it, it’s better for the cycle to go around than for the car to not exist.
Well I might be one of the few, since I'm have always dream about owning a WRX since I was like 5yo. I have never seen a WRX in person, let alone drive one.
I actually would? Well maybe. Idk, I'd *like* a manual AWD sedan w/ a big wing at the back and an engine that won't blow up if I look at it wrong. The FA24 is a bit more reliable than the EJ.
To your point though, I actually bought a 2021 STI... for a day. But before I signed the final document, I asked the general manager of the dealership (it was being sold used at an Audi dealership) if I could just take it home for a night, kind of live with it, take it to work, etc. before actually buying it. Dude said okay and promised that I could return it within 24 hours if I didn't like it and we could rip up the contracts and go our separate ways if so. So I took it home. And I had a couple problems with it that I wasn't really expecting to the point where I decided to return it at the end of the 24 hour period, on top of browsing STI forums and reddit posts scaring me away from the EJ and the potential problems down the road (I already blew up my BRZ engine at this point).
Anyway, I hope that if this next STI actually comes to fruition, I'd be ecstatic to try it out and see if it has been improved over the previous generation.
With the Impreza sedan gone it seems like it would make more sense to make the WRX a hatchback again. And then also make a Crosstrek WRX but that would make too much sense.
The shifter is absolutely not better, sti 6spd is a linkage driven shifter less than a foot from the actual transmission. GR has cable driven setup in a transverse layout.
When I drove it the GR shifter felt like the shifter on my Logitech G29, 0 feel, 0 vibration, just dead.
It's lighter but it also has a fraction of the usable cargo space (kinda the whole point of a hatch for me)
As for tricks are you referring to overheating diffs or engines that grenade from track use?
Last STI shifter I drove was like switching railway points, and not in a good way. I’ve felt some good ones, but most have been pretty poor. I think most of the time people just have no idea what they’re doing with mods.
Yes the GR is not very space efficient.
Engine digs are rich coming from an STI owner. I’m referring to the part where it can actually be specifically rear biased, whereas the STI cannot. Also it lets you play with the handbrake which is fun.
Also STIs are pretty piss poor dynamically. They put that boat anchor way out in front of the front axle. The GR fixes some of that, but not all of it.
Can you elaborate on "specifically rear-biased" and "let's you play with the handbrake"?
My WRX STi is rear-biased and opens the center diff for handbrake slides. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say.
The GR shifter is surprisingly good for a cable! I like the Subaru gearbox, too.
The engine part, sure. I mean, the original EJ was developed in 1989 by a smaller company than Toyota. That's a big gap in engine technology and resources.
I found the GR to be a great car within modern constraints. Definitely something I'd consider if I didn't already have my Subaru. But compared to my 2005 WRX STi, it is less engaging on the street. Most modern cars give me this feeling. Not a lot of road texture through the wheel or seat.
Both cars are compromised economy vehicles with performance. I think each have their pros and cons. As a Subaru owner, I'm glad the GR exists and a bit puzzled by the hate. Especially from other Subaru owners. But I guess that's brand loyalty or whatever.
I know from previous posts you've made that you're not a Subaru fan and that's totally fine, but credit where credit is due. Subaru created a car with similar specs to the GR Corolla decades ago. I was hoping Toyota would push the segment a bit more and produce something more raw and special feeling, but I can't complain with what they've delivered within modern regulations.
Can you elaborate on "specifically rear-biased" and "let's you play with the handbrake"?
The STI runs a fixed, gear-driven, 40/60 torque split. However, the wheels are geared together and the rear wheels cannot be driven faster than the front. The lockup dial progressively locks the powertrain into a single unit, like a 4WD transfer case almost. This is the same configuration actual rally cars use, and the same thing the Evo could do for obvious reasons, it provides immense traction.
The GR Corolla can and does overdrive the rear axle. If you want it will completely lock the coupler in low traction sending nearly all power to the rear wheels, and as they are spinning faster than the front wheels it will power oversteer on command and hold that under throttle. The STI has what I would say is a more serious AWD system that’s meant to do work and it is less fun to play with.
opens the center diff for handbrake slides.
Opening the centre diff in the STI still leaves the wheels geared together, the car cannot decouple the centre differential. It’s a somewhat different effect.
The GR shifter is surprisingly good for a cable! I like the Subaru gearbox, too.
The GR shifter is definitely good for a cable shifter. My favourite ever was a modded BMW rod shifter, stock they’re not so good. The STI is far better than the WRX, I think part of the problem is the last few STIs I have driven were modded and probably not for the best.
The engine part, sure. I mean, the original EJ was developed in 1989 by a smaller company than Toyota. That's a big gap in engine technology and resources.
I personally don’t hate the EJ. A lot of people immediately go for it as a weak point but I didn’t, except to point out that EJ owners really shouldn’t be throwing that stones about engine reliability.
Subaru has long struggled with oiling in their flat engines, something Porsche has solved, and maybe Subaru has solved too now. I think it’s a shame because I’m a fan of unique and interesting engines, and Subaru certainly produces those in a widespread way.
But compared to my 2005 WRX STi, it is less engaging on the street. Most modern cars give me this feeling. Not a lot of road texture through the wheel or seat.
No doubt about it. Old cars have more feel, almost all of them. Everything modern is insulated. I also miss the old car feel. One of the appealing things about the GRC is that by new car standards it’s pretty raw. It makes lots of drivetrain noises, it has some feel in the wheel especially in sport mode, the chassis talks a lot. For a new car. It will never be as good at this as an old car.
I know from previous posts you've made that you're not a Subaru fan and that's totally fine
I think this is a misconception. I am not anti-Subaru. There is a very real and valid market that Subaru produces good cars for. I have three problems with Subaru:
They have absolutely and completely left the enthusiast behind. The VB is a halfhearted effort at best.
Subaru people are, broadly speaking, some of the least technically literate but most strongly opinionated. They don’t understand how AWD systems work or how engines work, but will breathlessly repeat that “Subaru AWD” is the greatest thing ever, and Subaru boxer engines are the reason their Forester “handles so well”. Neither of which are true.
The recommendation for a Subarus in places where they offer no advantage. Gosh the number of Subarus in California that have never seen snow just so people can feel outdoorsy at Whole Foods. There are distinct disadvantages to these cars if you don’t benefit from their advantages.
Subaru today produces a reliable AWD system at a good price, it’s not mechanically innovative or interesting. There’s lots of trash AWD systems out there and you don’t know what’s going on without a lot of research. With Subaru you’re getting a known quantity, it’s an effect system. No research required.
I think the STI comes from another era of Subaru. When they really were the company that enthusiasts wish for. The 22B is an all-time coolest car. The technology developed for WRC that continued along into the STI is undeniably really great stuff. They used to produce differential AWD with a low range case. Subaru did all sorts of really awesome and quirky stuff. The last generation of STI hatch continues to be one of the coolest hot hatches ever made, there’s a couple near me and we always exchange waves.
I was hoping Toyota would push the segment a bit more and produce something more raw and special feeling
In some ways they did! In Subaru’s day WRC mandated a 2L displacement. Today that’s 1.6L. Toyota produced a completely new, different, and bespoke 3-cylinder engine with tons of motorsport optimization just for WRC. Who does that anymore? It’s also successful in rallying, G16E has won the last 2x WRC2 titles.
In some ways they didn’t. While they did a lot to the E210 chassis, it’s still based on an E210 Corolla. I’m just not sure a car developed recently with EPAS and vehicle dynamics interpolation and active safety systems can be as direct and raw as an old car. The GR Yaris doesn’t honestly feel that different. I agree with you, I wish it was more raw than it is.
There is a pretty popular conspiracy in the Subaru community that the GR Corolla is a big reason the STI never came out for the VB generation.
Especially with the Toyota partnership, they think that Toyota asked Subaru not to release the STI as it would have simply overshadowed the GR Corolla in every way.
And now that Toyota and Subaru's partnership is ending with the GR86/BRZ, Subaru can now release an STI.
The Uncharted is already doing the 0-60 in the 5 seconds, I'm sure it's possible to throw bigger motors at it. I believe it has a 221hp front motor and a 117hp rear motor (total 338hp), just put a 221hp motor in the back too and bam, 442hp and 0-60 possibly in the 4s.
Call me crazy, but I'm feeling unusually optimistic about these 2 Subarus.
For the EV STI, they can use the E-TNGA platform that their other EVs are build on and take the powertrain from the Trailseeker and put it in this. The Trailseeker can already do 0-60 mph in 4.4 sec, that powertrain in a smaller and lighter body will only be even faster.
The WRX STI hatcback though, my guess is making a new realistic and production ready looking body style for your existing production car only for it to be a one-off show car is the kind of time and money that a small mainstream car manufacturer like Subaru can't afford to throw away. Their previous cool looking concept cars are either clay models with dramatic proportions that are most likely incompatible with Subaru's existing underpinings or they are just the body structures of existing models that have been given cooler looking lights and a bodykit (e.g. BRZ STI concept based on the 1st gen BRZ). Plus the previous dark and blurry teaser photo looks like it's shot from a similar angle to the photo on the Japanese brochure of the previous STI hatchback.
The “global platform” is modular and designed for both gas and electric propulsion, so this makes sense. I could see them doing both hatchback and sedan versions. Also the STi was nearly production ready in 2022 and was axed at the last minute. Also I cannot confirm this, but the car was so rushed, the reason for the black plastic bumper is due to the crash bar that sticks out in the rear on the global platform. They wanted to get this car to market ASAP and didn’t have any more time to work on the design.
Looks like the cladding will be gone for the refresh and/or for the STi. Good riddance; that was one of the worst designs I’ve ever seen on a WRX, maybe even on a USDM production car since the Pontiac Aztec.
I was originally a Subaru guy. Went to the dark side so to speak. Always wanted to return back to my roots. At the end of the day I'm only loyal to performance, not brands.
i also had an ‘03 gdb sti , then switched to evos and never looked back .. had quite a few over the years the last one i let go only in 2023 . now im seriously considering a bmw m2 , and you absolutely have a point about raw perf , this is the way to handle it !
What is interesting is they did give quite a few details about the powertrain.
Usually for concepts, they just show what it looks like, they usually don't take about the specs.
"Performance-B STI concept
This concept model, based on an internal combustion engine (ICE), symbolizes the Subaru performance scene. Its design combines high performance and power with practicality. Furthermore, by flexibly arranging assets such as the horizontally opposed turbo engine and symmetrical AWD that Subaru has continued to refine over the years, this model expands the range of choices that are unique to Subaru and offers the joy of driving to a wider range of customers."
The only reason I am somewhat hopeful is this does kind of line up with what that MotorTrend editor said last August that one of his sources told him the STI would be coming back, and it would use the FA24, and make a lot of power.
The FA24 is a fantastic engine and with some stronger internals could easily make 450+hp, and probably 350hp easily as is with the right transmission. It really feels hamstrung by the current transmission options in the WRX. I hope Subaru really push it for the STI even if it means manual only. In 4 or 5 years, that’s a car I could genuinely afford as a fun weekend car.
Ah yes. Subaru and concept cars. A tale as old as time. When have they ever released anything remotely similar to their concepts? This will be no different
I also don’t want them to. The G16E is a phenomenal powertrain. It is not what you’d want in a Subaru. Part of the whole experience is the unique noise and proportions and driving characteristic of the car. It wouldn’t be the same with an I3 under the hood. I want to see a big boost 2.0 Boxer attached to a diff-based lockable AWD system with LSDs on both ends and a manual transmission in the middle. Would be baller.
Going on the Subaru website for the announcement, it specifically states that the concept will use a Turbo Boxer engine with Symmetrical AWD.
"Performance-B STI concept
This concept model, based on an internal combustion engine (ICE), symbolizes the Subaru performance scene. Its design combines high performance and power with practicality. Furthermore, by flexibly arranging assets such as the horizontally opposed turbo engine and symmetrical AWD that Subaru has continued to refine over the years, this model expands the range of choices that are unique to Subaru and offers the joy of driving to a wider range of customers."
I think Honda glory days are behind them as well. They're latest overpriced offering was a 2 door civic hybrid with a CVT that they slapped a prelude badge on.
bgf2414@reddit
The sti should be their halo car and marketed as such. Should come with at minimum 400hp. The wrx and brz can be the affordable sports cars while the sti is the whole grail
DrFuckwad@reddit
Time to be disappointed...
Astramael@reddit
This is likely the answer. Almost everybody in here saying they will buy one will find an excuse to not buy one when/if the time comes. They will say it’s too expensive or too slow or the interior isn’t nice enough or some damn thing. Subaru will discontinue it for insufficient demand, and then the people who didn’t buy one will go back to saying they would buy one if Subaru would make it.
Happens every time. I hope Subaru makes it, it’s better for the cycle to go around than for the car to not exist.
ICantPutTheNameOnIt@reddit
Well I might be one of the few, since I'm have always dream about owning a WRX since I was like 5yo. I have never seen a WRX in person, let alone drive one.
42ATK@reddit
As a person who has stupidly bought new manual cars since 2011, I’m offended 🤣
Astramael@reddit
By stupidly, you surely mean awesomely! Right there with ya.
mydoortotheworld@reddit
I actually would? Well maybe. Idk, I'd *like* a manual AWD sedan w/ a big wing at the back and an engine that won't blow up if I look at it wrong. The FA24 is a bit more reliable than the EJ.
Astramael@reddit
A few people actually would. Maybe you are one of the few! I sure hope so, you seem pretty cool.
mydoortotheworld@reddit
To your point though, I actually bought a 2021 STI... for a day. But before I signed the final document, I asked the general manager of the dealership (it was being sold used at an Audi dealership) if I could just take it home for a night, kind of live with it, take it to work, etc. before actually buying it. Dude said okay and promised that I could return it within 24 hours if I didn't like it and we could rip up the contracts and go our separate ways if so. So I took it home. And I had a couple problems with it that I wasn't really expecting to the point where I decided to return it at the end of the 24 hour period, on top of browsing STI forums and reddit posts scaring me away from the EJ and the potential problems down the road (I already blew up my BRZ engine at this point).
Anyway, I hope that if this next STI actually comes to fruition, I'd be ecstatic to try it out and see if it has been improved over the previous generation.
claspen@reddit
100%, it's going to be either a pie-in-the-sky concept or a very mildly tuned production car
WyrdHarper@reddit
At least of those looks suspiciously hatch-shaped.
flapsmcgee@reddit
With the Impreza sedan gone it seems like it would make more sense to make the WRX a hatchback again. And then also make a Crosstrek WRX but that would make too much sense.
orangutanDOTorg@reddit
Now you have me thinking about a Brat STI, which would basically be my dream car
Oo__II__oO@reddit
What about bringing back the Baja and making it STI?
orangutanDOTorg@reddit
I prefer 2 door. I have a Santa Cruz now and it’s such a waste of space vs a longer bed if you do t have kids or carry many people.
throw_me_away3478@reddit
Please don't be a rebadged GR. What a dissapointing car
Upset_Fondant4470@reddit
What he say f me for
throw_me_away3478@reddit
I just couldn't justify 60k CAD for a car that's a downgrade in almost every way.
I think the only plus I see to a GR is a more reliable engine.
Astramael@reddit
It’s not $60K CAD.
It also handles better, is more reliable, has a better shifter and better brakes, and is lighter.
What exactly are you disappointed about again?
throw_me_away3478@reddit
The shifter is absolutely not better, sti 6spd is a linkage driven shifter less than a foot from the actual transmission. GR has cable driven setup in a transverse layout.
When I drove it the GR shifter felt like the shifter on my Logitech G29, 0 feel, 0 vibration, just dead.
It's lighter but it also has a fraction of the usable cargo space (kinda the whole point of a hatch for me)
As for tricks are you referring to overheating diffs or engines that grenade from track use?
Astramael@reddit
Last STI shifter I drove was like switching railway points, and not in a good way. I’ve felt some good ones, but most have been pretty poor. I think most of the time people just have no idea what they’re doing with mods.
Yes the GR is not very space efficient.
Engine digs are rich coming from an STI owner. I’m referring to the part where it can actually be specifically rear biased, whereas the STI cannot. Also it lets you play with the handbrake which is fun.
Also STIs are pretty piss poor dynamically. They put that boat anchor way out in front of the front axle. The GR fixes some of that, but not all of it.
LyleTheEvilRabbit@reddit
Can you elaborate on "specifically rear-biased" and "let's you play with the handbrake"?
My WRX STi is rear-biased and opens the center diff for handbrake slides. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say.
The GR shifter is surprisingly good for a cable! I like the Subaru gearbox, too.
The engine part, sure. I mean, the original EJ was developed in 1989 by a smaller company than Toyota. That's a big gap in engine technology and resources.
I found the GR to be a great car within modern constraints. Definitely something I'd consider if I didn't already have my Subaru. But compared to my 2005 WRX STi, it is less engaging on the street. Most modern cars give me this feeling. Not a lot of road texture through the wheel or seat.
Both cars are compromised economy vehicles with performance. I think each have their pros and cons. As a Subaru owner, I'm glad the GR exists and a bit puzzled by the hate. Especially from other Subaru owners. But I guess that's brand loyalty or whatever.
I know from previous posts you've made that you're not a Subaru fan and that's totally fine, but credit where credit is due. Subaru created a car with similar specs to the GR Corolla decades ago. I was hoping Toyota would push the segment a bit more and produce something more raw and special feeling, but I can't complain with what they've delivered within modern regulations.
Astramael@reddit
The STI runs a fixed, gear-driven, 40/60 torque split. However, the wheels are geared together and the rear wheels cannot be driven faster than the front. The lockup dial progressively locks the powertrain into a single unit, like a 4WD transfer case almost. This is the same configuration actual rally cars use, and the same thing the Evo could do for obvious reasons, it provides immense traction.
The GR Corolla can and does overdrive the rear axle. If you want it will completely lock the coupler in low traction sending nearly all power to the rear wheels, and as they are spinning faster than the front wheels it will power oversteer on command and hold that under throttle. The STI has what I would say is a more serious AWD system that’s meant to do work and it is less fun to play with.
Opening the centre diff in the STI still leaves the wheels geared together, the car cannot decouple the centre differential. It’s a somewhat different effect.
The GR shifter is definitely good for a cable shifter. My favourite ever was a modded BMW rod shifter, stock they’re not so good. The STI is far better than the WRX, I think part of the problem is the last few STIs I have driven were modded and probably not for the best.
I personally don’t hate the EJ. A lot of people immediately go for it as a weak point but I didn’t, except to point out that EJ owners really shouldn’t be throwing that stones about engine reliability.
Subaru has long struggled with oiling in their flat engines, something Porsche has solved, and maybe Subaru has solved too now. I think it’s a shame because I’m a fan of unique and interesting engines, and Subaru certainly produces those in a widespread way.
No doubt about it. Old cars have more feel, almost all of them. Everything modern is insulated. I also miss the old car feel. One of the appealing things about the GRC is that by new car standards it’s pretty raw. It makes lots of drivetrain noises, it has some feel in the wheel especially in sport mode, the chassis talks a lot. For a new car. It will never be as good at this as an old car.
I think this is a misconception. I am not anti-Subaru. There is a very real and valid market that Subaru produces good cars for. I have three problems with Subaru:
Subaru today produces a reliable AWD system at a good price, it’s not mechanically innovative or interesting. There’s lots of trash AWD systems out there and you don’t know what’s going on without a lot of research. With Subaru you’re getting a known quantity, it’s an effect system. No research required.
I think the STI comes from another era of Subaru. When they really were the company that enthusiasts wish for. The 22B is an all-time coolest car. The technology developed for WRC that continued along into the STI is undeniably really great stuff. They used to produce differential AWD with a low range case. Subaru did all sorts of really awesome and quirky stuff. The last generation of STI hatch continues to be one of the coolest hot hatches ever made, there’s a couple near me and we always exchange waves.
In some ways they did! In Subaru’s day WRC mandated a 2L displacement. Today that’s 1.6L. Toyota produced a completely new, different, and bespoke 3-cylinder engine with tons of motorsport optimization just for WRC. Who does that anymore? It’s also successful in rallying, G16E has won the last 2x WRC2 titles.
In some ways they didn’t. While they did a lot to the E210 chassis, it’s still based on an E210 Corolla. I’m just not sure a car developed recently with EPAS and vehicle dynamics interpolation and active safety systems can be as direct and raw as an old car. The GR Yaris doesn’t honestly feel that different. I agree with you, I wish it was more raw than it is.
CamelAdventure@reddit
Had to Google but actually, yes, the upper trims are around 60k CAD
throw_me_away3478@reddit
Not sure why you're being downvoted. Base model with 0 options in Quebec comes to $58,900 with tax and all the fees
Astramael@reddit
I paid just less than $51K including taxes and fees in Alberta. They go for that all the time here.
CamelAdventure@reddit
I assume it's just fanboy behavior
Astramael@reddit
So don’t buy the upper trims?
Embarrassed_Fox_1320@reddit
It’s still a Corolla lol.
JiveXP@reddit
as opposed to the prestigious Impreza
Astramael@reddit
Username checks out.
Ancient_Persimmon@reddit
It doesn't handle like a '70s DeVille.
Dazzling-Rooster2103@reddit
There is a pretty popular conspiracy in the Subaru community that the GR Corolla is a big reason the STI never came out for the VB generation.
Especially with the Toyota partnership, they think that Toyota asked Subaru not to release the STI as it would have simply overshadowed the GR Corolla in every way.
And now that Toyota and Subaru's partnership is ending with the GR86/BRZ, Subaru can now release an STI.
Upset_Fondant4470@reddit
Wait until they find out that every other subaru directly competes with a toyota in its segment lol
TroyFerris13@reddit
That will likely be the electric one
MotelSans17@reddit
Yeah, I bet it's based on the Uncharted/CH-R. No way they made it a whole new model.
Look at a picture of the Uncharted from the same angle, you'll see the similarities: https://www.caranddriver.com/photos/g65437649/2026-subaru-uncharted-revealed-exterior-gallery/
The Uncharted is already doing the 0-60 in the 5 seconds, I'm sure it's possible to throw bigger motors at it. I believe it has a 221hp front motor and a 117hp rear motor (total 338hp), just put a 221hp motor in the back too and bam, 442hp and 0-60 possibly in the 4s.
india2wallst@reddit
Manual STI wagon. Pls.
Funny_things_online@reddit
It also should have more power than the S209 and be manual only.
AcanthaceaeNo948@reddit
Nah as much power and performance as the RA NBR.
(Which to be fair is how much power it should have. Back in the 90s the STI was more powerful than a 5.0 Mustang)
trail-g62Bim@reddit
You the same guy who posted that on the story itself?
Why manual only?
Funny_things_online@reddit
Because thats what happened with every other proper STI.
Colorful_Monk_3467@reddit
I don’t care about ‘legacy’ but the main problem is Subaru does not have a non-CVT transmission currently
flapsmcgee@reddit
Sorry, best we can do is 305 hp.
DerBootsMann@reddit (OP)
hope it won’t come with that s209-level price tag ..
ERShqip@reddit
Most car prices are artifically inflated thats why bargaining and not feeling bad about bargaining should become common practice
Funny_things_online@reddit
It also wont come to Europe which is sad.
savagewolf624@reddit
At this point I don't even care if we get a sti if they can manage a vb hatch at the least
narwhal_breeder@reddit
Best I can do is
Subaru Ultra Extreme Sport Shift Racing Transmission (it’s a CVT)
Suknator@reddit
As long as it isn't SUV-shaped
Appropriate-Stage316@reddit
Call me crazy, but I'm feeling unusually optimistic about these 2 Subarus.
For the EV STI, they can use the E-TNGA platform that their other EVs are build on and take the powertrain from the Trailseeker and put it in this. The Trailseeker can already do 0-60 mph in 4.4 sec, that powertrain in a smaller and lighter body will only be even faster.
The WRX STI hatcback though, my guess is making a new realistic and production ready looking body style for your existing production car only for it to be a one-off show car is the kind of time and money that a small mainstream car manufacturer like Subaru can't afford to throw away. Their previous cool looking concept cars are either clay models with dramatic proportions that are most likely incompatible with Subaru's existing underpinings or they are just the body structures of existing models that have been given cooler looking lights and a bodykit (e.g. BRZ STI concept based on the 1st gen BRZ). Plus the previous dark and blurry teaser photo looks like it's shot from a similar angle to the photo on the Japanese brochure of the previous STI hatchback.
HasntBlownUpYet@reddit
The “global platform” is modular and designed for both gas and electric propulsion, so this makes sense. I could see them doing both hatchback and sedan versions. Also the STi was nearly production ready in 2022 and was axed at the last minute. Also I cannot confirm this, but the car was so rushed, the reason for the black plastic bumper is due to the crash bar that sticks out in the rear on the global platform. They wanted to get this car to market ASAP and didn’t have any more time to work on the design.
Looks like the cladding will be gone for the refresh and/or for the STi. Good riddance; that was one of the worst designs I’ve ever seen on a WRX, maybe even on a USDM production car since the Pontiac Aztec.
ninjastk@reddit
Imagine the shitshow they don’t do it since it’s a concept then release an STI Outback.
MotelSans17@reddit
STI wagon? I'm in love
Marchiavelli@reddit
Shit show? An STI Outback would be a dream. Like a modern Pajero Evo
willpc14@reddit
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I would put money down on a preorder for an STi Crosstrek if I was still looking for a new car.
tclark2006@reddit
If it's a manual, I'd rock it.
DooceBigalo@reddit
If a new STI comes out and its manual and has a decent power bump, I'll buy it
elremeithi@reddit
I wont mind the power, i just want to be a good platform for mods and tuning, as always.
DooceBigalo@reddit
will be interesting to see what motor it will be
youra6@reddit
If the STI comes with a strengthened VB engine and brings back that bulletproof tranny, that might be enough for me to finally get rid of my Evo 8.
My goal is to make 500-600whp without opening the engine and the current WRX can't do it without major modifications.
DerBootsMann@reddit (OP)
it’s a free country and you can do whatever you want , obviously , but swapping evo viii for a subie is a bit of a crime ..
youra6@reddit
I was originally a Subaru guy. Went to the dark side so to speak. Always wanted to return back to my roots. At the end of the day I'm only loyal to performance, not brands.
DerBootsMann@reddit (OP)
i also had an ‘03 gdb sti , then switched to evos and never looked back .. had quite a few over the years the last one i let go only in 2023 . now im seriously considering a bmw m2 , and you absolutely have a point about raw perf , this is the way to handle it !
Garage4G63@reddit
From one 05 RS owner to another, you need to keep your RS
Astramael@reddit
The RS remains one of the coolest hot hatches of all time.
Lutetia03@reddit
Ah yes STi concepts...the most accurate close to production items in the industry. Also, Pope is Presbyterian.
Dazzling-Rooster2103@reddit
What is interesting is they did give quite a few details about the powertrain.
Usually for concepts, they just show what it looks like, they usually don't take about the specs.
"Performance-B STI concept This concept model, based on an internal combustion engine (ICE), symbolizes the Subaru performance scene. Its design combines high performance and power with practicality. Furthermore, by flexibly arranging assets such as the horizontally opposed turbo engine and symmetrical AWD that Subaru has continued to refine over the years, this model expands the range of choices that are unique to Subaru and offers the joy of driving to a wider range of customers."
https://www.subaru.co.jp/news/2025_10_15_144202/
stoned-autistic-dude@reddit
We’ll see. Subaru is notorious for having awesome concepts but having a release that only looks vaguely similar at a glance.
Dazzling-Rooster2103@reddit
The only reason I am somewhat hopeful is this does kind of line up with what that MotorTrend editor said last August that one of his sources told him the STI would be coming back, and it would use the FA24, and make a lot of power.
And now we are being shown an STI concept.
It might be nothing, or it could be something.
perennialpurist@reddit
The FA24 is a fantastic engine and with some stronger internals could easily make 450+hp, and probably 350hp easily as is with the right transmission. It really feels hamstrung by the current transmission options in the WRX. I hope Subaru really push it for the STI even if it means manual only. In 4 or 5 years, that’s a car I could genuinely afford as a fun weekend car.
Location_Born@reddit
Ah yes. Subaru and concept cars. A tale as old as time. When have they ever released anything remotely similar to their concepts? This will be no different
CumOnEileen69420@reddit
Could this be a continuation of the Toyota-Subaru partnership?
I could totally see Subaru “borrowing” say the GR Corolla drive train and slapping it into an Impreza shaped thing.
Astramael@reddit
I also don’t want them to. The G16E is a phenomenal powertrain. It is not what you’d want in a Subaru. Part of the whole experience is the unique noise and proportions and driving characteristic of the car. It wouldn’t be the same with an I3 under the hood. I want to see a big boost 2.0 Boxer attached to a diff-based lockable AWD system with LSDs on both ends and a manual transmission in the middle. Would be baller.
Dazzling-Rooster2103@reddit
It won't.
Going on the Subaru website for the announcement, it specifically states that the concept will use a Turbo Boxer engine with Symmetrical AWD.
"Performance-B STI concept This concept model, based on an internal combustion engine (ICE), symbolizes the Subaru performance scene. Its design combines high performance and power with practicality. Furthermore, by flexibly arranging assets such as the horizontally opposed turbo engine and symmetrical AWD that Subaru has continued to refine over the years, this model expands the range of choices that are unique to Subaru and offers the joy of driving to a wider range of customers."
https://www.subaru.co.jp/news/2025_10_15_144202/
Ill-Train6478@reddit
Hey Subaru this is your chance to make it right and put a real fear on them Honda fanboys
tclark2006@reddit
I think Honda glory days are behind them as well. They're latest overpriced offering was a 2 door civic hybrid with a CVT that they slapped a prelude badge on.
s3cf_@reddit
will the ICE STi VB based?
Dazzling-Rooster2103@reddit
Looking at the pictures they have shown, it will likely be a VB WRX Front, and sides, with an Impreza hatch rear end.
Prismt@reddit
If they can bring in an ICE 350+ manual STI I’d jump on it no hesitation as long as it’s under $55k
Dazzling-Rooster2103@reddit
If it does come out, $50k-$55k is around what it would likely be given the past STI price differential.
LeopardHalit@reddit
yes please subie