Windows 10 LTSC 2021 End of life? What the hell, Microsoft?
Posted by JoeyFromMoonway@reddit | sysadmin | View on Reddit | 159 comments
Just got into the office, and immediately saw that some of our LTSC 2021 Machine show the ESU Message in Windows Update, telling me we are out of support and should update asap or buy ESU. This is a sick joke, right? Last time i looked, we have got a few years still - also it didn't report any updates for last patchday.
Thanks Microsoft, this is fun.
Anybody else having issues?
QuarrosN@reddit
I might have found the culprit KB5066791 That update pushed the message to the front at every Windows 10 versions I have access to. This way it makes sense why my LTSC 2019 did not show any message. Simply rolling back KB5066791 removed the message.
Likely this is a scare tactic disguised as a "bug" or "mistake" especially considering what is linked on this thread before. As it is completely contradicts previous statements. My guess is Microsoft want to prevent mass migrations to 2021 IoT.
bodsby@reddit
I rolled KB5066791 back, waited a day, then reinstalled it - same message!! Is this just ignorable, or do I have to reinstall the OS?
amasoun@reddit
Same
amasoun@reddit
Thanks, this worked for me.
syntaxerror53@reddit
Most people would be happy to stay on W10 with just the security updates, not bothering with newer features. Should still be possible if IoT is getting another 7-8 years security.
There's still life in many billions of devices.
QuarrosN@reddit
Depending how grey/black someone is willing to go. It is certainly possible to get another 6 years of Windows 10 IoT 2021 until 2032 (but it is depending on how Microsoft define/redefine Extended support). Hell you could even "upgrade" your previous install to IoT (scripts/methods are already exist). But good luck getting legitimate licenses as they are unobtanium normally, only on sketchy key sites you may found some (or get scammed). Well you could always sail the high seas (But that is not something I recommend no matter how easy it is.)
BryanP1968@reddit
Windows 10 IoT Enterprise goes to 2032, but it’s missing features some people will care about. No store / no store apps for one.
Adminymous1@reddit
I upgraded from PRO and got the store still lol
RomanBellicTaxi@reddit
Open Powershell, type „wsreset -i”
Congratulations, you have Store in LTSC
QuarrosN@reddit
True but it is not inconvenient for everyone. For me (and others like me) the missing MS store is a godsend (I hate UWP with a vengeance). But since I have been using LTSC for many years I know I'm biased, and gotten used to it far more than others.
syntaxerror53@reddit
Only saying it because it's true.
Have 15yr old core2duo PC that runs Win10 no problem, so why ditch it just because PC manufacturers are desperate for profits and MS want to snoop on your data. Also, there's a reason why some older PCs outlast newer ones.
Without going into unmentionables, would love a newer PC, just out of reach now with cost of living for most people.
And yeah Linux needs investigating, but that takes time, with security considerations, apps/driver availability and OS/HW configurations.
QuarrosN@reddit
I don't know how you interpreted my comment. But if what you want to hear is that it was an absolute dick move from Microsoft. Than look no further. IT WAS and IS.
However I simply can't wash away our culpability in all of this. Because if even in this situation our first thought is not: Okay asshole (Microsuck) bye, and hello Linux. then when will it be?
Let me give you an example. I was one of those weird stragglers who was unwilling to update from 7 to 10 until the last minute (on my personal machine), and even then only when I was able to get my hands on a second hand LTSC key from a company that overbought. My reason was that I did not wanted to become a product from a customer (on that premise LTSC mostly delivered) but to be honest it was rough. Avoiding everything Microsoft because of the constant webs of tie-in's.
Later as a preparation for the future I tried my best to find a way to virtualize almost every windows instances in my home on a linux server segregated, and boxed in. Which eventually somehow I did. Yet even now I was contemplating of looking for a Windows 11 IoT LTSC license for my main workstation. Just think about it how insane that sounds! I have the knowledge, the knowhow, tons of experience with desktop and server linux, and still I was thinking which one would be less uncomfortable??? I say this to illustrate that Im not talking from some moral high ground.
We as the users became far too soft and unwilling to endure annoyances... We really need to get out of this Windows centric mindset. Because now almost everything that you do on Windows can be done on Linux, but as long as we give Microsoft money or our time for product that is filled with toxic crap... nothing will change.
...and saying defeatist stuff like: "There's still life in many billions of devices." only reinforce the status quo.
syntaxerror53@reddit
Fair enough what you said isn't wrong. But then you've got the experience and knowledge to go the Linux route. Most people haven't and their devices are perfectly capable of running Win10 for a few years more. Like yourself, only upgraded to Win10 from Win7 when felt comfortable with it.
And why would anyone need anything new just for web browsing and basic office stuff if what they've got is capable of doing so. Can't see the elderly and tech novices buying new every few years. Even some versions of Win11 are already EOL. Win 24H2 (released a year ago) is EOL is a year from now (2026). That's insanely stupid. Not even going to speculate what Win12 requirements will be other than say cloud computing and monthly subs with data in cloud.
People are not Satya Nadella or Larry Ellison to be able to afford new PCs every few years. Some new devices even now will maybe not run a newer version of Windows in say 3 or 4 years time because of MS requirements. Seems like a Profit generating scam by Microsoft and PC manufacturers and tie-ins to Microsoft (no I'm not wanting to store my data in the cloud, nor do I want you snooping on my data). And not interested in AI powered devices either.
Recognition_Round@reddit
We know that Linux exist, and that it can be installed on pentium 4 even. But Linux support isn’t windows. Yes a lot of software and games run on it, but Average Joe doesn’t know about all this, he certainly is not going to deal with a terminal window eather. When Average Joe sees the message that his 7th gen i5 laptop is no longer “supported” (can we all agree that a 7th gen i5 is still a kickass cpu for daily tasks?), what is he going to do? Go to the store and buy a supported machine, most likely one of those “cloudbooks” with a celeron n4000 with 4gb of ram . . . Happened with my aunt. She dropped of her perfectly capable desktop at my house (i7 2nd gen) and bought a crappy lenovo with celeron n4020, 4gb ram and 64gb of EMMC storage, because the sales person told her it will support windows 11 . . .
Final_Campaign_2593@reddit
I agree, in my line of work, I am service technician of 14 years for an MSP. I see this all the time during this migration to Windows 11 people upgrade from good i5 laptops, and desktops that are older to these pieces of garbage windows laptops that should never ever exist existed
TnNpeHR5Zm91cg@reddit
I wouldn't consider an opensource github project sketchy, but it's absolutely against the TOS and I wouldn't recommend it for work.
https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts
xerix123456@reddit
who cares about the ToS anyway?
paeschli@reddit
MS has sued corporations using cracked versions of Windows and/or violating the ToS before.
They have never gone after individual users so private individuals can use Massgrave without sorry. But using it at work is an absolutely horrendous idea.
New-Seesaw1719@reddit
Technically breaking ToS is illegal under Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. Source: Darknet Diaries 162
CratesManager@reddit
Legitimate license
Mantazy@reddit
Just remember that Microsoft 365 is unsupported on windows 10 from now on. Gotta use the LTSC version and even that isn’t supported to 2032 like IoT.
SotYPL@reddit
So I unapproved it in WSUS, run server cleaning wizard to delete unneeded updates, approved it (confirmed that WSUS downloaded it again from MS) and pushed to machine that didn't have it installed before and message is unfortunately there. I believe it won't affect downloading new updates from WSUS because "Check For Updates" button works but still is annoying as hell.
BootIntelligent2881@reddit
Didn't work. Even system restore brought it back after installing the updates.
QuarrosN@reddit
You have to be more descriptive. Because I have no idea whether you talk about blocking KB5066791, or reenabling it.
CabinetBubbly3118@reddit
Thanks, this was the solution for me too!
professional_pupper@reddit
thank you. removing this KB enables my Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC updates, and removes the below message that says "end of support"
Lanky-Perspective-90@reddit
is this update causing bug "end of support"? i'm still downloading the updates....
professional_pupper@reddit
yes I removed it this morning, and now there is no longer the "end of support" message
Sure_Environment2901@reddit
If you removed it then how can your Windows Update display "You're up to date". Shouldn't it display the removed KB ready to install again?
professional_pupper@reddit
to prevent it from downloading again, I used the link from this Microsoft article. If there are easier ways, I'm all ears. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/4043343/how-to-prevent-remove-a-specific-update-from-tryin?forum=windows-all&referrer=answers
Sure_Environment2901@reddit
Yes, you can hide it or prevent from installing it, but what's the point? That does not fix the issue, you are just rolling back your OS by uninstalling the KB, which leaves your OS vulnerable to missing security updates. If your purpose is to fix Windows Update from displaying the bogus "End of Security Updates" the best option is to keep your OS updated and wait for MS to release a future patch that fixes this which will be by next update on 11/14 at the latest.
Omnicris@reddit
Yeah, same thing happened here. We’ve got around 50 devices in a warehouse/design studio setup in our organization, all running Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC because of the complexity of the software used in our design environment.
We saw the error first thing this morning and were scrambling too. Furthermore, we ended up uninstalling the latest KB update and rolling back, and everything went back to normal after that. Hopefully Microsoft pushes out a fix specifically for the LTSC builds of Windows 10, so the correction sticks permanently for the remaining lifecycle of whatever LTSC version people are on.
mikefrombarto@reddit
Yep, you're spot-on with this. I tested it with some dev VMs, one that was converted to LTSC, and the other that had LTSC installed from the beginning. Both were resolved by removing that update. Excellent discovery, my dude!
Should be able to prevent it from installing this update by using this tool: https://download.microsoft.com/download/f/2/2/f22d5fdb-59cd-4275-8c95-1be17bf70b21/wushowhide.diagcab
QuarrosN@reddit
Thanks. Could I trouble you to please check on a VM whether this update stops windows update to query the online catalogue? I can't do that at the moment. Because it is still possible that this whole thing is nothing more than an UI glitch, and under the hood it works fine.
Harvesterify@reddit
Why would you roll-back a Cumulative Update, and advise other people to do so ? You really are pondering not patching the latest vulnerabilities (with a few zero days in the mix this month) just to remove a banner on a screen that normal users don't see during their normal activities ?
QuarrosN@reddit
Where have I advised people to do so? I was identifying the core of the symptom. As it is not normal to have this "error" on LTSC machines. We have paid for an operating system (or at the very least I did) that promised a service until xxx date, at the point of sale.
As for why remove it: I have not checked this yet, but if this update stops the operating system from querying the windows update catalogue online. Unless extended support is enabled then it is essentially freeze security support for the installed LTSC deployment as of this date.
Am I In the wrong subreddit? I thought this was r/sysadmin there are no "normies" here :)
Arthur__Spooner@reddit
Still showing the error, upgraded from 10 pro to 10 IoT LTSC 2021
Also noticed I have a couple of updates that keep trying to install, but won't.
GelbesWuff@reddit
Try installing the updates one by one, not in bulk. I had to do that with some of the optional driver updates.
No_Meet_2093@reddit
Try to uninstall KB5066791 after this check the updates, install again. After this error gone.
QuarrosN@reddit
Holly shit. This gotta be a joke. Or scare tactic. Or catastrophic bug.
I have a 21H2 with an OS build 19044.6456 that just now showed this message.
I also have a 1809 with an OS build 1776.7919 that is on the same network and no message.
Just stating the obvious but these are a LTSC 2021 and LTSC 2019...
SotYPL@reddit
Same thing for me: LTSC 2019 - no message LTSC 2021 - "Your version of Windows has reached the end of support"
Both managed by the same WSUS with the same GPO applied.
Resident-Artichoke85@reddit
Side note: Win 10 1809 went EOL Nov 2020, Win 10 1809 Enterprise/Education went EOL May 2021.
QuarrosN@reddit
I have linked this before but here it is again. LTSC 2019 End of Extended support date: 2029-01-09, Mainstream servicing is already ended.
Traditional_Name_611@reddit
Fixed now
Kerwyn5678@reddit
Same. When i checked for updates
wyxchari@reddit
........
DriverAny1816@reddit
yup. that message was gone for LTSC 2021 after checking for updates this afternoon Oct. 16.
it seems it was just faulty windows update "diagnostic" data stored on LTSC 2021 and checking/scanning for updates again today eliminates the EOS message
MrKevek@reddit
I spent three days trying to install Windows 11, but to no avail: the BIOS wouldn't listen, despite using Rufus. Each time I tried, I was met with the infamous "Please insert disk bla bla." Finally, I resigned myself to buying Windows 10 IoT LTSC, which I had heard about. I had a moment of panic when I saw the end-of-support message, but I'm reassured: it disappeared on its own.
CabinetBubbly3118@reddit
I noticed this too, i'm also on 2021 LTSC and it says support has ended.
I installed LTSC on my computer just for the specific reason to get updates for a few years more.
DriverAny1816@reddit
delete the c:\windows\appcompat\appraiser\ folder and rescan or re-check for updates this Oct. 16 and the EOL support message on LTSC 2021 will go away
Entegy@reddit
LTSC and domain joined machines are not supposed to show the message.
My guess is the EOL logic fails to take into account the lifecycle changes made to LTSC 2021.
However, if these machines require two years to replace, start planning now. You only have 15 months left.
matt95110@reddit
Best we can do is wait until a month before EOL and panic.
RabbitDev@reddit
Accounting: "So you are saying it's safe to wait until we fail the audit after that EOL date before upgrading?"
Lukage@reddit
Careful. There are TONS of places that firmly believe there is no issue until an audit fails. THEN you start to figure out what to do.
RabbitDev@reddit
Been there, seen that. It's usually places that see IT as a cost centre that is at best a necessary evil or at worst something that is seen as hindrance to a previously perfectly fine system (probably going back to the age of slide rules and filing cabinets).
Very often it doesn't turn into a "let's solve the problems and fix the process" and instead you get a "use blame as fix for everything, and for the rest there's lawyers" solution.
Lukage@reddit
100% our current experience. We keep getting pressured to find ways to generate revenue or to cut costs. Its not about securing the PHI until there's a breach and lawsuit, I guess.
So now we're ditching IT tools for something that "does everything" but does it all 50x worse.
JohnClark13@reddit
Depends on how much failing the audit will cost us, compared to upgrading the systems. If the cost of failing the audit is low enough we can just consider that another cost of operation. <--CFO probably
MajStealth@reddit
you mean like my company, that ignored my informations vor 2years. but lucky for them we get another year of win10 updates for free - but when that runs out AND this company still stands, i will not be around anymore.
matt95110@reddit
I’ve been around for the XP and 7 EOL fiascos and both times they literally did nothing until the literal last minute. It’s fucking hilarious.
Stonewalled9999@reddit
you guys did stuff? Here I am supported W7 and some XP machines!
MajStealth@reddit
worst i can offer is nt3.5
Stonewalled9999@reddit
you will give me nightmares of my old Metaframe 1.7 farm running on NT 3.51....still in use as recently as 2012
BlackV@reddit
Feck I was certified in metaframe 1.8, maybe 9 billion years ago, this is ot doing wonders for my retirement plans
MajStealth@reddit
as far as i know, we "current corp", had a AS400 as erp-server until somewhere around 2017ish. maybe only for old stuff but still.
btw it was hell but i got the nt3.5 to print into a pdf file and then to upload that into a fileserver(2016)
matt95110@reddit
For the end of XP they ran out of time so they ended up buying 200 new desktops and replaced everything one weekend. They could have upgraded the existing but they just didn’t bother.
doofesohr@reddit
That free year is only for consumers. Not businesses.
MajStealth@reddit
i wonder how they differentiate that. i have seen home in businesses and pro in private homes. even AD at home. and arent businesses also consumers to an extent?
DheeradjS@reddit
Like most things, they don't. Microsoft will however use it to slap you on the head should it be needed.
Super Massive CYA on their part.
MajStealth@reddit
i am out of this, i told over years to now 9 different CEO´s and am out of here end of year. that is if we make it to the end of year before closing.
JohnClark13@reddit
ah, I've been at companies like that. Good on you for getting out!
kona420@reddit
Sounds like it's free for the low cost of managing 100 personal microsoft accounts for your users that have to log in with them. Aka "a certain ring of hell"
FruitGuy998@reddit
I think we work for the same company
McGillicuddys@reddit
That's way better than we did with IE retirement
b4k4ni@reddit
Shouldn't be a real issue IMHO. They changed not much between the ltsc, so any software running on it should be fine after an in place upgrade. If they didn't hard code the version number.
Automatic-Win8421@reddit
We’re getting this too. Apparently it’s a fat fail from Microsoft and will be fixed soon.
JoshMark01@reddit
Is this the only official answer we got on this issue as of yet? https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/5585936/no-security-updates-for-windows-10-iot-enterprise
trickhay@reddit
Microsoft said this is a bug and will be fixed soon. I seen this in morning of Oct 15th and by morning of Oct 16th it is fixed and does not show the error anymore. I have Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021.
xollerx@reddit
For me the error was gone after rebooting (windows update searches normally now). So yeah probably just showed that error for everyone rolled out with the 'last' update.
Think-Cherry5391@reddit
I have had it on my machine too, thankfully it's not just me.
IIRC an update triggers the message
DZello@reddit
Everyone should start pirating Windows 11 IoT at this point. This is getting ridiculous.
teriaavibes@reddit
Wrong subreddit, please go to r/shittysysadmin instead.
DZello@reddit
Microsoft is creating a situation that will lead to millions dollars of spendings and tons of electronic waste. In Europe they give an extra year of support for Windows 10 for free. The rest of the world is getting screwed.
I've never stolen a license, but it's clear they're trying to please the manufacturers who complained when the Windows 10 upgrade was offered for free. There is no other reason.
QuarrosN@reddit
I don't think so. It is important. But not for you! But for them! The TPM module would make it much much easier, to parse who is using which computer at which install. Thanks to the unique cryptographic identifier. That coupled with the mandatory Microsuck account tie in with the install... You don't really need to guess where this will go...
DZello@reddit
I mostly do security work these days and I know how TPM can be useful, but it shouldn’t be required. I had clients with dirty machines running in a factory for years without any problems which now need to be replaced. They don’t care about TPM.
QuarrosN@reddit
I can only repeat myself. It is important to THEM and THEIR profit margins (Microsuck). You and your interest only exist as an obstacle to their goals and their perceived entitlements/money.
Sorry I don't know how else can I phrase it. If you want to do something against that then encourage linux wherever you can, and on any new install where windows is unavoidable recommend the IoT and LTCS version of 11 with TPM disabled... Sadly not much else we can do.
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syntaxerror53@reddit
Will the manufacturers take in and recycle properly all the half billion or so redundant devices though? Most computers are capable of working perfectly for another few years more, even end of decade.
HoustonBOFH@reddit
No, but the Linux guys are grabbing them up!
BobRepairSvc1945@reddit
It's the same reason that Server 2019 says that my Windows 10 has been updated and it needs to be rebooted.
OneEyedC4t@reddit
Sorry you experienced that. I hope this is the push needed for y'all to migrate to Linux, if possible
LordGamer091@reddit
This isn’t r/shittysysadmin
OneEyedC4t@reddit
Why is it wrong to try to break a cycle of dependence on Microsoft?
Notice I said, "if possible." I'm aware that 99% of the time it's not going to likely be possible. Those who downvoted me don't seem to pay attention.
BlackV@reddit
Yes moving sway from ms (or any monopoly) is generally a good idea, but a blanked "migrate to Linux" isn't useful
OneEyedC4t@reddit
Well I'm going to be honest and say that no I don't understand every single use case. But I would point out that Microsoft 365 works in Chrome browser. I would also point out that usually what people want out of Microsoft products is all the cute templates. I know very few things Microsoft Word can do that. Google docs cannot do, especially if you originally saved whatever feature it is in word and then you just migrated over to Google docs. But I understand that not everyone uses things the same way. I understand. For example, that some scientific outlets need access to IBM SPSS. It's a good program. So I get it.
BlackV@reddit
printing, centralized device management, mdm maybe, patch management, file share access and management, excel plugin for financial applications, billing and reporting applications
and as you alluded to, scientific equipment, stock control systems, horticulture tools, tractor management software
a million little things that things need to be changed and a million little things need to be planed and managed
yes there are browser apps, sure, but currently they don't offer the "full" feature parity, i do agree office 365 stuff is a good example of being able to do it all in cloud (mostly)
kuldan5853@reddit
Why make a statement that is 99% wrong anyway?
"Just go buy a mansion (if you're a billionaire)" would be about as helpful.
OneEyedC4t@reddit
Not 99% wrong, 99% not possible. But I think it's important for system admins to have this on their mind in the sense that We should be looking for ways to get rid of dependence on Microsoft whenever possible because of their behaviors and their track record. With so many applications going to web-based interfaces, it becomes increasingly possible.
disiznogud_@reddit
What This Means
When you reach a “.6456” build, Windows has already:
Result →
JoshMark01@reddit
Noticed the same today. I run Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC and wont receive any more security updates. Surely they will solve this issue.
Zekas_@reddit
How?? I'm on Windows 10 IoT LTSC?!
Last-Acanthisitta507@reddit
yes,i am actually feeling strange,how does this version of windows that should have supported until 2032 has received eol message like this? because i am actually using ltsc 21h2 too and received it also,what the f*ck microbloat?!
henk717@reddit
Its very simple, they just renamed the UI elements to communicate to their users that the OS won't be receiving updates anymore and they didn't put the proper ESU / LTSC checks in place for this. If they want to do an equally lazy fix they can just rename it back in an update that only goes out to those channels.
Ok_Response8593@reddit
This bocks the KB5066791 from installing on both Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC and Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC. Just run Windows PowerShell as an administrator.
Set-ExecutionPolicy -ExecutionPolicy Bypass -Scope Process
Install-Module -Name PSWindowsUpdate
Hide-WindowsUpdate -KBArticleID "KB5066791" -Hide
guest_0123456789@reddit
is this kind of sick joke, Microsuck??
Dull-Fan6704@reddit
Literally a lazy error, calm down.
dustojnikhummer@reddit
LTSC 2021 should go EOL in 15 months, not now. Definitely a bug.
cats_are_the_devil@reddit
LTSC 2019 is 2029... Weird what they did to 2021 edition.
Mitchell_90@reddit
LTSC was released at the same time as Server 2019 (Same kernel version etc) and followed the old 10 year lifecycle.
With the introduction of Windows 10 LTSC 2021 and Office 2021 they cut this, presumably as a way to get a more of regular revenue stream from those orgs rather than every 10 years.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Microsoft decide to ditch LTSC in future for Windows Client and Office. That might be more difficult on the Server side as you can’t just upgrade infrastructure to newer OS versions every 4-5 years.
ReptilianLaserbeam@reddit
You should not blame MS but the OEM that provides the LTSC version for your machines. They are the ones that decide what the latest version should be installed on their products.
professional_pupper@reddit
Same message with my Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC (19044.6456). Hopefully this is corrected shortly.
professional_pupper@reddit
professional_pupper@reddit
bakonpie@reddit
product quality is in the dumpster. just do the best you can and make management aware of how stupid Microsoft is when they fuck up constantly.
Hotdog453@reddit
How are you managing updates? ConfigMgr, a different RMM, etc etc?
If I had to guess that 'message' only comes from Microsoft connected devices; I would not put it past them that they just.... forgot, to exclude LTSC/IOT, so if the device DOES connect to Microsoft Updates, it'll just show that.
FWIW, we have LTSC as well, and no; they're not showing that. But they're managed by ConfigMgr/WSUS.
JoeyFromMoonway@reddit (OP)
My predecessor let them talk to microsoft directly, imo a stupid idea but i was told to not touch that configuration in any way and just do the updates on those machines manually.
I will clearly push for inclusion into ConfigMgr tho, this was a scare nobody needed.
Harvesterify@reddit
I'd argue that it is an excellent idea, to the contrary, just push the configuration to enable peer-to-peer sharing for your LAN devices.
Jeff-IT@reddit
Same here. I have a few and no messages. Haven’t checked this week though.
I do have a daily windows updates script though so I can see what happens there
Truserc@reddit
It's the same time notion as "windows 10 will be the last windows".
mattjh@reddit
That statement was strictly about Windows as a Service. It was said in a particular context to a particular audience.
da_chicken@reddit
No, I don't buy that.
What I buy is that almost everything is promoted as the last version you'll need when it's being spun up, and it will inevitably lead to the next version in N years when the long tail of sales dries up.
Anybody that didn't know that "the last version of Windows" wasn't purely sales bullshit was either too young to vote or lying to themselves.
mattjh@reddit
I think you're being overly cynical. The context in which Jerry Nixon said "last version of Windows" is widely understood by anyone who'd care to understand it. What we might agree on, though, is that it's suspect that Microsoft didn't do much to quell the rapid misinformation that sprung from said statement.
MajStealth@reddit
"well actually" we still run crap under the hood from a few decades ago, just repackaged and with multiple facelifts.
at which point would anyone call cmd.exe new or not old anymore?
mirrax@reddit
If a determined set of versions of tools and accompanying configuration including ancient but still working tools doesn't determine an operating system version, does this mean that only Arch has a valid Linux versioning system?
mattjh@reddit
That's a different topic entirely, but yes, Windows is an aggregate of its various builds over the years as all operating systems are.
Top-Tie9959@reddit
Funny that. Guess their marketing department was to busy and never got around to it.
Hunter_Holding@reddit
The 2025 EOL was published and known *before* the GA of Windows 10 in any capacity
QuarrosN@reddit
For normal versions yes. For LTSC no. Microsoft own statement
Hunter_Holding@reddit
Sure, I was more rebutting specifically the whole "last windows" crap that keeps getting parroted, when we knew the EOL dates before release.
QuarrosN@reddit
Apologies I have missread your comment.
dustojnikhummer@reddit
Said by one MS employee on Twatter.
zq_x99@reddit
Have the same Message on my LTSC Build 19044.. guess we just can wait
flecom@reddit
It's funny how people on this sub complain that users can't read hehe
Kum69420@reddit
I have to replace like ~250 more win10 computers to keep up with our security standards. thanks bill
coldfusion718@reddit
He hasn’t been CEO for a long time. Blame Satya.
henk717@reddit
LTSC should be fine, but the UI element got synced with the consumer version so when they renamed the UI element your also now seeing it on these editions. I expect this to either stay this way but work fine or be solved next month in the next patch tuesday. As long as your devices are still receiving updates I wouldn't worry about it.
Accomplished_Yak8362@reddit
is just 2 years that the date of EOL is avaiable...
JoeyFromMoonway@reddit (OP)
No, LTSC still has at least until 2027. Thats why we bought it. Because those are machines that cannot be updated without at least 2 years of planning.
LordGamer091@reddit
I mean… you did have several years, windows 10 EOL wasn’t a sudden announcement.
kuldan5853@reddit
We are talking about LTSC versions here, which are (mostly) on a 10 year lifecycle. Even the one from 2016 is still supported until next year officially. LTSC 2019 is supported until 2029.
LordGamer091@reddit
And I understand that part, I’m talking about him mentioning the machines that need 2+ years of planning.
xCharg@reddit
Because such machines sometimes run entire multi million production lines. Or I dunno, MRI machine or something. You don't just quickly order replacement from amazon overnight.
LordGamer091@reddit
And again, I understand that. Never said replace overnight. My comment was mentioning that there were years to plan & replace because win 10 EOL wasn’t sudden.
xCharg@reddit
Consumer version Win 10 going EOL have absolutely nothing to do with Win 10 LTSC though.
What I think OP meant is that since it's years from going EOL (and he's right - it is) and it'll take years to plan ahead of time (and it is, not because something goes EOL but because internal processes are complicated and/or internal reliance of these systems is too big and/or there are vendor-related complications or billions of other reasons) and they just didn't start this multi-year process, yet.
mini4x@reddit
Planning which should be about halfway done already...
JoeyFromMoonway@reddit (OP)
It is, but thats not the topic here.
teriaavibes@reddit
Ever since windows 11 was announced, we knew 10 was going out eventually.
Hunter_Holding@reddit
Hell, we knew before the GA of Windows 10 in 2015 the EOL date in 2025....
syntaxerror53@reddit
And even some of those earlier versions of Win11 are EOL.
Think most are not bothered about features, just security updates.
madh0n@reddit
Given that this is happening has been known about for a few years already why have you not been planning for it at all is a bigger question.
JoeyFromMoonway@reddit (OP)
I did, but thats not relevant, because it still would have eff'd me by a year.
nodiaque@reddit
Not at least, it's dead January 12th 2027
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-enterprise-ltsc-2021
If you want longer, you need ltsc 2019 or iot 2021
2019 is until 2029, good old 10 years that only iot has now
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-enterprise-ltsc-2019
Texkonc@reddit
It’s not fun when it’s 8000+ machines across 12 states and multiple locations in a state, and the financial person at each location ignored the IT warnings to budget years ago and start replacing a dozen at a time. Here we are buying ESU keys…….
Expensive_Plant_9530@reddit
Windows 10 LTSB 2021 has an EOL of January 2027 so you’ve still about a year and a half left on support.
Not sure why you’re getting the message. Likely an update meant for the mainstream non LTSB version.
Slasher1738@reddit
Seems like a lazy error
b4k4ni@reddit
Seems this is an error and they fucked up the upgrade window. Instead of just the normal windows 10, they also added the ltsc.
Official support EOL is still 2027
Agitated_Blackberry@reddit
Ltsc is end of life. Been in the documentation for awhile (at least 2 years) now: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-health/release-information
OnlineParacosm@reddit
The whole thing feels cheap.
DrBrakbek@reddit
I have the same issue...
Lando_uk@reddit
I would say its an error, but looking at this list, maybe not
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/end-of-service-statement-e440a698-de79-4ace-b53b-5a6a3e36685e
Probably still an error tho...