Israel says one of the bodies returned by Hamas is not a hostage
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Agitated-Quit-6148@reddit
Even the right winged Israeli press says this wasn't intentional so...it's understandable. Obviously I don't trust Hamas BUT it was disclosed that some....single digit numbers of hostages (dead) woiks take time to locate. The Americans + Israelis knew this prior to signing the deal. They will want to keep some for bargaining chips but the reporting is turkey and Egypt have said they will help find the rest so.
Bartellomio@reddit
Israel has turned Gaza into an open air graveyard full of thousands of rotting unidentified bodies. And then they asked Gaza to hand over a number of very specific rotting bodies with no way of identifying them.
Agitated-Quit-6148@reddit
Well considering they abducted and murdered them for bargaining chips, I'm sure they know where they are.
Bartellomio@reddit
It is worth noting that Israel had already slaughtered hundreds of Innocent Palestinians that year prior to that happening. Not for any specific reason. They just do that. Just as they have done every single year for decades.
Agitated-Quit-6148@reddit
Starting wars has consequences.
Bartellomio@reddit
And that war started many decades ago with the nakba. A horrible crime by the people who would go on to create the state of Israel. The country was literally founded on a war crime and that's how they continued.
snarfy666@reddit
you mean the 47 war which started because every Arab power in the region declared their intent to genocide everyone in Israel?
Agitated-Quit-6148@reddit
The "nakba" happened because "Palestinians" refused the chance to have a country (there has never been a country called Palestine ) and refused to followed international law and attacked the new Jewish state. And lost. Tough
Bartellomio@reddit
The Nakba wasn’t simply “losing a war.” It was a mass expulsion of over 700,000 Palestinians, involving deliberate displacement, massacres, and destruction of villages. Calling that “tough luck” is morally bankrupt.
The UN partition plan in 1947 proposed splitting the land into Jewish and Arab states. Jews, who made up about a third of the population and owned less than 7% of the land, were offered 55% of it. Palestinians and surrounding Arab states rejected it because it was seen as grossly unfair. Civil war broke out, and even before the British withdrew, Zionist militias began forcibly removing Arab populations. I don't knoe why you're describing this as something Israel was right or fair to do. It was objectively wrong and illegal and vile. Israel systematically ethnically cleansed much of the territory through planned operations like Plan Dalet, which explicitly aimed to remove Arabs from key areas. Entire villages were wiped out. And it makes it worse that they did this in the shadow of the Holocaust, when the exact same thing was done to them.
The argument that “there has never been a country called Palestine” is a semantic dodge. Palestine existed as a geographic, cultural, and administrative region for centuries, under the Ottomans, the British, and long before that. You don’t need a modern nation-state to have a people or a homeland.
Agitated-Quit-6148@reddit
I'm looking to buy land in Judea and Samaria.
Bartellomio@reddit
It does not surprise me to find out that you are personally invested in Israel.
Agitated-Quit-6148@reddit
I'm also a US vet that served....In a combat role...in Afghanistan. What Israel faced is Al Qaeda + Isis X 100.
Bartellomio@reddit
Well I am a member of the British military who has been deployed to Afghan too. And Al Quada and ISIS were far greater threats than Hamas.
ZeevF@reddit
That's a load of hogwash. Threat to whom? A jihadi death cult 20 min from Tel Aviv that led the largest slaughter of jews since the holocaust is what? more timid that al Qaeda? Such bs mate. The new president of Syria is former isis. He'd disagree with you
Agitated-Quit-6148@reddit
But you do you. I can tell you this with absolute certainty. If we lost 50k Americans in one attack in 3 hours...and the people who did it went on air the next day and said "we'll do it over and over again till every American is dead"... they ...as well as their country would be smoldering radioactive rubble. The uk wpikd do the same. And yes, 50k is about the equivalent when considering the population size difference between Israel and the US.
Agitated-Quit-6148@reddit
That's just not true. I served with your Royal Marines. No one believes what you just said.
Al Qaeda + the talis were a one and done type thing. Yes., they made some horrific propaganda beheading videos but in general..they shot...attacked...and it was over. The psychological blood thirsty joy in terror was not there in Afghanistan. Hamas has it. They filmed the whole thing...which you can watch... with terrorists calling their mom on speaker phone taking pride in "I just killed jews mom".. and the parents were so proud. And Al Qaeda was never supported by the vast majority of either Afghanistan or even Saudi Arabia..neither was the taliban.
Hamas and their jihadi "we'll kill the jews " platform was democratically voted in.
Agitated-Quit-6148@reddit
But you do you. I'm just glad we don't have to hear about it anymore. Was such a drag. Now that peace has come everyone should be rejoicing
Bartellomio@reddit
I guarantee there is absolutely no chance this peace will hold.
Agitated-Quit-6148@reddit
I'm absolutely mourning every Innocent life lost. I'm also cognizant hamas started a war. You can't start a war then demand the other side stop because you are losing. So..
Hopefully a new Palestine leadership will emerge in Gaza..temporarily headed by Tony Blair and that going forward they chose not to try to genocide Israel
Firecracker048@reddit
I mean, this is areason you don't take hostages in the first place, but even if you do, you keep them in one, central locaiton. Not spread them out amongst the populace and tunnels.
Bartellomio@reddit
How could they possibly keep them in one central location when every central location capable of holding that many people has been bombed to smithereens
Ok_Currency_617@reddit
I didn't downvote you.
Realistically what we see as "Hamas" is basically more a group of gangs/groups with Hamas as the ruling government of Gaza applying soft pressure on them to do things. So once the hostages were taken they got spread out as trophies to many of the groups. Hamas by it's nature is quite decentralized which is how it survives losing it's leader, vice-leader, vice-vice leader, etc.
Think of it like the people elected Hamas, but there's organizations/gangs that elected Hamas that are part of the military but also have their own loyalties. What doesn't get discussed during this war are the violent clashes in Gaza between these gangs and between Hamas and these gangs, there was a recent major one where 30+ died.
Firecracker048@reddit
I appreciate it because your literally the first person to reply.
And you just laid out exactly why Hamas most likely isn't releasing bodies but also should never have taken any in the first place if they had no intention of relasing them/keeping track of them.
Its not just clashes between gangs either. Hamas is legit just killing people in the street based on suspicion. Yet subs/forums like this one, are just completely silent on it or even excusing it.
namikazeiyfe@reddit
There's a new mental gymnastics on this topic. It goes like this " Those gangs are Isis affiliated that were propped up by Israel to use as an excuse to continue their land grabbing" 😏
Airowird@reddit
Tbf, Israel made sure Hamas got funded to oppose the PA so Palestine wouldn't be unified under 1 government.
There's records of Netanyahu saying how useful Hamas is to Israel etc.
So it wouldn't be the first time Israel would support terrorist groups in Gaza as a way to destabilise the region and provoke extremists in attacking so the can retaliate disproportionately.
Ok_Currency_617@reddit
I mean the US has people shooting people for suspicion as well...realistically you give a populace guns and you are going to have violent incidents. Ukraine itself has been quite reluctant to arm it's populace even when cities are about to be occupied because civilians with guns in high stress situations go crazy. Rather than say Hamas is killing people on the streets I'd say people/groups are killing people/groups as you have anarchy there. Some may claim affiliation with the ruling government to justify their actions, I doubt there's any high up official ordering killings because everything is just so decentralized right now.
Btw I'm not one of those bots who pushes/defends Hamas and will never criticize Hamas. Hamas is awful and the people who defend them are disgusting. I'm pointing more to the reality of fog of war combined with running a guerilla operation where most central leadership is dead and civilians are armed and forced to care for themselves.
WonderfulPackage5731@reddit
Hamas didn't take all of the hostages and never had control over several of them. That's why the deal they signed requires them to hand over bodies in their possession and provide any information they have on bodies not in their possession.
You're missing an important part of what is happening. Hamas is in a ceasefire with Israel. They are still actively at war with the Israel backed ISIS and Al qaeda militants that have been supporting the IDF on the ground. As the IDF has pulled back, those militants are left behind without the IDF's cover. Civilians getting caught up in that is not ok. Still, you have to recognize that a war is still raging.
Firecracker048@reddit
That's not entirely what's happening. Trying to paint it all as such is completely dishonest because just like in 2014 again, anyone they suspect as not being loyal or who even helped Israel is gonna be tortured and executed like before.
WonderfulPackage5731@reddit
I didn't claim that's entirely what's happening.
I very clearly stated an important PART that you left out.
You appear to have very selective reading comprehension.
Firecracker048@reddit
No not really. Your argument opens with them clashing with gangs as their primary purpose when the only information to trust about that is Hamas themselves stating that's their intention.
Hamas is about as trustworthy with their information as the Israeli government is.
spudmarsupial@reddit
Unless you are being shelled. Imagine if Israel had been successful in dropping a bomb on all the hostages?
SymphoDeProggy@reddit
honsetly, i don't care, and i don't understand why people make such a huge deal of delays and complications in delivering deceased hostages. we should be focused on hamas' disarmament and removal from control of gaza. everything else is noise.
Moppermonster@reddit
Nah, punishing Israel for their crimes should be priority 1. Hamas is small fry, Israel is not.
azure_beauty@reddit
Too bad Hamas surrendered.
valentc@reddit
The fuck does that have do with punishing Israel for its crimes and genocide?
You think that because the war is over that the crimes agaisnt humanity Israel did just didn't happen?
Thats not how crime works.
azure_beauty@reddit
Israel won and it gets to dictate the terms of how Hamas is dismantled. As for war crimes, Israeli courts will deal with that by themselves.
Revlar@reddit
Israel committed genocide, and our generation will get to dictate if your country gets to continue to exist, as elections take place and your country's brutality and lack of accountability becomes a topic in every international policy debate. You've destroyed yourselves
azure_beauty@reddit
Keep living the fantasy. I don't really care.
Revlar@reddit
It will be real soon. Enjoy Trumpism while it lasts. Just keep in mind he's 80 years old and obese
azure_beauty@reddit
Can't wait for him to go. The future will be even brighter and infinitely full of opportunities.
HourEast5496@reddit
Where Znazis like you will be taken care of so our kids can have a chance to live in leave.
azure_beauty@reddit
Your kids will live in a beautiful world free of islamist extremists thanks to the efforts of people like us. We don't ask for anything in return.
HourEast5496@reddit
Nope! Znazis won't let anything or anyone live in peace, and now we know that.
Except billions of our dollars, land, resources, weapons, and right to live.
Revlar@reddit
You create islamist extremists, by killing their parents, their siblings and their children. By making them live in bombed out ruins, under your bootheel. You are the biggest source of religious extremism, within and without Israel
namikazeiyfe@reddit
If you think that the Democrats are going to do anything other than PR statements and grand standings on the Israel issue if or when they're elected back to power then you're really extremely naive. I don't know why Americans believe that their government ( reps or Dems) are ever going to throw Israel under the bus as long as middle east is concerned. It's not going to happen.
Revlar@reddit
I'm not talking about the democrats. I'm talking about the rest of the world. America will wash its hands off of Israel eventually. Israel's approval rating among the citizenship is minuscule right now, less than 10%. I doubt they'll grow a brain and realize they have to pay for what they broke, but they will definitely leave Israel, and that's when Israel will fall apart
namikazeiyfe@reddit
You sound really naive about world politics. The rest of the world are still heavily in support of Israel, don't be fooled by the PR statements in the media, it's just meant for the gullible like yourself to consume, major world powers are still solidly behind Israel behind closed doors. And America will never wash it's hands off Israel as long as middle East is concerned. You seem to not understand what Israel is America's most important and most valuable partner in the middle east for both security and intelligence reasons. As long as Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Qaeda, Isis, Houthi etc still exists, America would always be in support of Israel. It is in their best interest to do so.
There are multiple "apartheid ethnostate" in that region, Syria is one, Iran is another one , then there's Yemen, Iraq Afghanistan and even Saudi.
Revlar@reddit
Sure. Whatever you say. I'll let the future validate my words
HuDragon@reddit
They have nuclear weapons. And before you draw the comparison with South Africa, Israel isn’t afraid to use them
Revlar@reddit
You can't use nuclear weapons to fix a failed state. Ask the soviets.
Agitated-Quit-6148@reddit
Not really. We dictate what happens, and your government just revived 20 bil from America. We stand with Israel. That's all that matters. So you can protest with your flags but nobody that has power cares. Enjoy
Revlar@reddit
You will be deposed by your own people. It won't be long now. Have fun in the purges, MAGA
Agitated-Quit-6148@reddit
Inshallah
Revlar@reddit
?
Agitated-Quit-6148@reddit
Pay no attention to the propaganda here. We stand with Israel. That's all that matters. Behind the scenes all of Europe's leaders as well as the Arab states were cheering Israel on. Macron and starmer are less popular than Putin in their own countries.
azure_beauty@reddit
It's fun seeing the nonesense they can cook up today. I don't really mind.
Agitated-Quit-6148@reddit
I mind. We have a hamas-wing of the democratic party here.
We love you guys.
zZCycoZz@reddit
Cheers "Agitated-Quit-6148", im sure youre a real person...
Agitated-Quit-6148@reddit
I have 5 times your Karma. Wanna discord dude? Lol. I'm very real.
zZCycoZz@reddit
Karma doesnt mean much, karma bots are half this website.
Agitated-Quit-6148@reddit
I'm not a bot whatsoever
loggy_sci@reddit
You’re probably some right wing lunatic but you hide your profile because you are a coward.
zZCycoZz@reddit
Never said you were either, karma bots are used to sell the accounts to people who want to look legit. I doubt all hasbara accounts are israelis either.
Youre supporting genocide like a bot though.
Agitated-Quit-6148@reddit
Not a karma bot either. I'm literally a public defender that spent a while in the Marines.
azure_beauty@reddit
Are you implying that a bot would not be able to select a custom name whereas a person would?
zZCycoZz@reddit
Your hasbara bots all have those default names.
azure_beauty@reddit
If that is the case, why is my name not default? I also have no idea who that dude is, first time I'm seeing him.
zZCycoZz@reddit
"Your hasbara bots all have those default names" ≠ "every hasbara bot have those default names"
I dont think youre a bot anyway, they generally dont set their location as israel.
Id be very surprised if you did know them, thats the point of the thousands of pro israel astroturf accounts. To spread the narrative from as many random accounts as possible.
azure_beauty@reddit
Sorry, I don't understand. What do you mean by "your"?
zZCycoZz@reddit
"Your" being israeli.
azure_beauty@reddit
Doesn't really sound like they're mine then
zZCycoZz@reddit
Theyre supporting your country with your genocide by spreading misinformation, same as you are.
azure_beauty@reddit
That dude isn't spreading misinformation, he's just obsessively telling everyone about how much he supports Israel. As I said, not sure what's up with that.
zZCycoZz@reddit
Yeah they are
Thats just a complete lie and thats only on this thread. Its right wing propanda when the dems are just as zionist as the republicans are.
azure_beauty@reddit
I don't know what to tell you. It's hard to take that as a serious attempt at disinformation over some dude who comments random shit.
Agitated-Quit-6148@reddit
The same "ceasefire now: folks are not only silent with hamas executions, they are furious hamas released the hostages because it "weakens them" and "the deal wasn't fair and balanced". They believe hamas is entitled to fairness. Lol. 🤦♂️
If we lost 50k Americans (about the equivalent when considering the population size difference between Israel and the US) whoever did it and their country would be smoldering radioactive rubble and we'd be cheering it on. Rightfully so.
TetraThiaFulvalene@reddit
You can't just scale up like that. If somebody in the Vatican stubs their toe of that equivalent of an American becoming paralyzed from the neck down?
mnmkdc@reddit
We know Israel won, but that isn’t a valid defense for them. They should still be sanctioned until they actually make progress toward peace. Having bigger guns will never make them morally correct.
azure_beauty@reddit
No, of course even the victors of a war must be held responsible for war crimes, all of that will come with due time.
However, Hamas lost the war. Dismantling the terror organization and rebuilding what they destroyed should be the main priority.
zZCycoZz@reddit
Lmao, no they wont.
Ropetrick6@reddit
Uh huh, because Israel has such a great history on that front, seeing as they literally gave leadership to one of the biggest war criminals of the century and never took him to justice...
Agitated-Quit-6148@reddit
Crimes against humanity lol.
ElKidDelPueblo@reddit
“The Chamber issued warrants of arrest for two individuals, Mr Benjamin Netanyahu and Mr Yoav Gallant, for crimes against humanity and war crimes committed from at least 8 October 2023 until at least 20 May 2024, the day the Prosecution filed the applications for warrants of arrest.”
https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-state-palestine-icc-pre-trial-chamber-i-rejects-state-israels-challenges
It’s telling that this all is so funny to you.
Agitated-Quit-6148@reddit
That's irrelevant
ElKidDelPueblo@reddit
Agitated-Quit-6148@reddit
The court is not recognized by Israel. I can't...living in the United states demand a court here issues a warrant for someone in Canada based on an allegation of a crime that occurred in Europe.
Gender_is_a_Fluid@reddit
We in the US haven’t signed the international treaty because we want to protect our soldiers of they commit war crimes and even have the hague invasion act should the internationally recognized court attempt to prosecute servicemen for crimes.
Its really shameful to have this and is a basic admittance that we want to cover up or prosecute warcrimes only at our discretion.
ElKidDelPueblo@reddit
“I do not recognize the court that wants to investigate me for jerking off in the rainforest cafe”
Whether Israel recognizes is it not is beside the point. We know that western countries like the US and Israel who regularly commit atrocities and war crimes will choose to not recognize the largest international court that oversees those crimes. The fact that there is enough evidence for the ICC to even put a warrant out, as powerless as it is, means that any normal person would see this as highly likely that that is in fact what is occurring. And that’s beside the fact that we saw them purposely starve a population for two years.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
They still have all their guns and Israel has pulled back and is allowing them to reassert control over the strip.
Real surrender vibes there, bro
azure_beauty@reddit
I'd use the remindme bot, but I think it's banned from the subreddit. Just have some patience.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
What do I have to wait for? I thought they surrendered? You said they surrendered.
Are you now saying I have to wait for their surrender? Wouldn't that then mean that they have not, in fact, surrendered?
azure_beauty@reddit
Do you expect disarmament to be overnight? We really have nothing to lose, it's the Palestinians that are suffering under Hamas.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
I expect you to not say they've surrendered before they've surrendered, it's not that difficult a concept. At least pretend like your statements and opinions hew to something resembling reality.
azure_beauty@reddit
They gave up their only leverage and agreed to disarm. Yeah, that's a surrender
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Did they agree to disarm? Because everything I've read and heard says they haven't agreed to disarm. They haven't agreed to leave Gaza governance.
You got some citations there?
azure_beauty@reddit
Approach it from this point of view, the 20 point peace planhas been ratified by both Israel and Hamas. The plan includes the destruction of terror infrastructure in Gaza, full Hamas demilitarization, and their exclusion from any future governance.
The negotiations are a bit confusing in that immense pressure was placed on Hamas to release the hostages, and the rest has not been ironed out, but technically this is what they agreed to.
Now that Hamas has no leverage, they are eseentiallt forced to continue down this path, or face even worse conditions.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
The problem you have is that Hamas hasn't actually agreed to the twenty points. They haven't agreed to disarm. They haven't agreed to leave Gaza. They've been repeatedly stating this for days. They agreed to phase 1 and to further negotiations on phase 2.
What you describe isn't a surrender.
azure_beauty@reddit
They don't have any leverage to accept anything else
TraditionalGap1@reddit
That may well be, but do you understand the difference between 'they may be forced to surrender in the future' and 'they have surrendered'?
azure_beauty@reddit
I don't see the difference. They surrendered all their leverage.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
One thing has happened, and one thing may happen, but also may not happen, in the future.
One is a historical fact, and one is a prediction.
If you were a cancer patient and you had gone for your consultation and decided upon a course of action, you wouldn't say 'my cancer was treated' until you had actually gone for surgery and had your cancer treated, correct? Because until you actually have your cancer treated, it's all a future possibility that hasn't happened yet.
azure_beauty@reddit
The term surrender essentially means laying down arms and accepting the demands of the victor in a combat or dispute.
The way I see it, Hamas was forced through military and diplomatic pressure to accept the demands of their enemy to give up their leverage. Hamas fights less through it's arms than it does through propaganda and terror. They no longer have hostages to terrorize, and no legitimacy to claim the IDF is unjust in dismantling them when they themselves agreed to such terms.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
And as I pointed out, that hasn't happened. And they haven't agreed to do so. The only thing they agreed to, and have done, is return the hostages (not 'give up', since they recieved in return more than an order of magnitude of hostages and detainees in return) and negotiate further.
We didn't call it a surrender the last time this happened, in January. You'd look like a fool insisting they had surrendered.
azure_beauty@reddit
As I said, from my point of view hamas' "arms" are the terror and international propaganda. The agreement they signed relinquished their ability to use either of the two to harm Israelis.
Of course literal arms are still in their possession, but those are hardly a threat to the security of Israel.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Just don't be surprised when they don't behave like a surrendered force
azure_beauty@reddit
But that's the whole point, I don't think they have much freedom to do anything that won't further damage their position.
SymphoDeProggy@reddit
hey look, noise.
Onuus@reddit
Hey look, a genocide sympathizer!
RandomGenName1234@reddit
Not just a sympathizer, more like a damn cheerleader.
Revlar@reddit
Because Israel wants an excuse to keep shooting Palestinians
Agitated-Quit-6148@reddit
💯
xray-pishi@reddit
They are also aware that the bodies are gonna have forensics and everything done, so would know that there's pretty much no reason for them to try and pull a switcharoo.
An you information ages ago, and isn't gonna sign on for a deal they couldn't keep even if they wanted to.
blurghh@reddit
In other news, Israel just dumped a truckload of unidentified, badly decomposed, and tortured Palestinian bodies to Nasser hospital. 45 people whose identities may never be known to be buried in yet another mass grave. And unlike hamas they didn’t have to dig these people up from out under bombed rubble
Spare me the indignation when they can literally dump dozens of tortured bodies without it making a headline
0rganic_Corn@reddit
The Palestinian ministry of health is the source of that information - it's captured by Hamas and nothing of what it says can be judged to be true
You remember the malfunctioning hamas rocket that ended up in the parking lot of a hospital, killing maybe one or two? Gaza health ministry reported 500 casualties and pinned them on Israel
Earlier on in the war they were reporting deaths linearly. My bros literally took a ruler, drew a live, and every day checked how many dead Palestinians they should report.
Don't get me wrong, the scale of the tragedy in Gaza is horrifying, just, don't trust any numbers from the Gaza health ministry - it's a part of Hamas
blurghh@reddit
The Gaza Ministry of Health’s numbers have been considered so consistently reliable that the Israeli military relied on them and they accorded with previous independently corroborated counts.
860v2@reddit
In other news, let me completely deflect from the fact that Hamas broke the ceasefire agreement…
FCOranje@reddit
Israel broke the agreement. They went back on “no longer blocking aid” and they fired at countless civilians.
860v2@reddit
False.
CwazyCanuck@reddit
Which part, the part where Israel stated it was reducing the number of aid trucks to 300 from the agreed upon 600? Or the three Palestinians IDF killed because they tried to return to their homes, which the ceasefire didn’t prohibit?
860v2@reddit
All of it. Everything you're currently whining about was a response to Hamas/Palestinians breaking the ceasefire agreement.
CwazyCanuck@reddit
So how did Hamas break the ceasefire? I showed you how Israel did, now you show us how Hamas did. Is that so hard?
860v2@reddit
They tried passing off a random body as a hostage.
The Palestinians killed were killed because they crossed an agreed upon boundary and approached troops.
CwazyCanuck@reddit
So Hamas handed over a body they thought was a hostage, and since they have zero way of verifying what they thought, they could not have known they were wrong. That doesn’t break the ceasefire.
Show me in the agreement that it says Palestinian civilians can’t return to their homes?
860v2@reddit
No, they knew it wasn’t a hostage. That breaks the ceasefire.
CwazyCanuck@reddit
Why would you state that Hamas knew it wasn’t a hostage and then you provided a quote unrelated to your claim.
Provide sources for your actual claims.
You still haven’t proven that Hamas broke the ceasefire, you’ve basically just provided your opinion.
860v2@reddit
The quote is for the other claim. Are you ok?
CwazyCanuck@reddit
How did Hamas break the ceasefire this time? What fine print will Israel use to justify that it can actively break the ceasefire?
860v2@reddit
The ceasefire agreement involves returning the bodies of hostages, not random people.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
So they have to go all the way to a forensic lab to make this determination but Hamas can just 100% accurately identify bodies that may have been dead for over a year with... nothing?
Clown
860v2@reddit
Hamas knows who they took hostage. Imaging simping this hard for them.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Imagine not understanding what sitting under piles of rubble for months or years can do to a body
860v2@reddit
That's Hamas' problem, not Israel's.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
If you actually want your dead hostages back and it's not just a ploy to use an excuse to keep going, it is, in fact, also Israel's problem.
860v2@reddit
False, the only reason there's hostages in Gaza is because Hamas took them. They are responsible for everything from there.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Do you want the bodies back, or not? Because if you do, you'll acknowledge the reality in Gaza that you've created, acknowledge how that will impact repatriation.
860v2@reddit
Nope, that was caused by Hamas. They initiated it by committing the October 7th attack.
No one forced them to do that.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Nope... you... don't want the bodies back?
860v2@reddit
False, Hamas took civilians hostage. They’re responsible for the hostages and their bodies.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Ah, you're just an unthinking sockpuppet whose only purpose is to regurgitate talking points, incapable of actually thinking about what you say.
I suppose that explains the bot accounts
860v2@reddit
That’s not an argument. Absolutely nobody asked.
Per international law, hostage takers are responsible for the safety, treatment, and health of the hostages.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
You're right, that's not an argument. It's an observation about the futility of arguments with people too interested in virtue signalling to actually engage.
860v2@reddit
I know I’m right. That’s why I pointed it out.
If you had something of value to add, you would have commented it.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
The problem with people like you is you're so concerned with being 'right' that you don't actually think about whether you're right. I mean, congratulations, you get to blame to Hamas for the hostages and you get the virtue of being 'right'. Bully for you. You 'won' whatever point you think you're making. Such a victory.
Of course, rhetorical 'wins' against random redditors doesn't actually get any bodies back from Gaza. It's probably a good thing that you have no actual power or influence and that the adults who presumably do want these bodies back recognize that regardless of whose fault it is, these bodies are still quite possibly buried under the masses of rubble that Israel created and that, rightfully laying blame or not, grandstanding isn't going to get the job done.
You keep crying about blame and responsibility, I'm saying those things mean sweet fuck all when it comes to actually getting the bodies back from wherever they are.
So you sit there in the warmth of your rhetorical victory, enjoy that satisfaction. Enjoy it while it lasts
860v2@reddit
I’m not reading all of this. Please summarize.
KaiBahamut@reddit
Well, someone destroyed all their infrastructure to organize and identify their buildings. Probably killed the guys who remembered what was stored where too. No electricity for fridges.... I don't know, someone wasn't concerned with who died over there.
860v2@reddit
That all sounds like Hamas' problem, not Israel's. No one forced them to take hostages, kill hostages, lose hostages, etc.
KaiBahamut@reddit
Israel’s bombing did force them to lose hostages? If you bomb the building they have them in and they get crushed to death, and guy who knew they were there gets shot, it all gets very complicated.
But the IDF don’t lose sleep over killing hostages
860v2@reddit
Nope, that was Hamas' fault. If they didn't take hostages, they would have never been in Gaza to begin with.
KaiBahamut@reddit
Still wrong, Israel takes it's own hostages and holds them in administrative detention- no trial, no charges. Turnabout is fair play.
860v2@reddit
Nice deflection, but that doesn't change the fact that the only reason there was hostages in Gaza was because Hamas took them there.
You are mad and I don't care.
CwazyCanuck@reddit
True. But this mistake doesn’t break the ceasefire.
But Israel reducing aid to 300 trucks from the agreed upon 600 does break the ceasefire. And Israel’s killing of 3 Palestinian civilians trying to return to their homes, which the ceasefire did not prohibit, also breaks the ceasefire.
860v2@reddit
Yes, it did. It wasn't a mistake.
Nope, those things were a response to Hamas breaking the agreement.
MrKarim@reddit
Not really Hamas actually asked for a DNA kit, Israel refused to supply it
throwawayaccountisr@reddit
False
TraditionalGap1@reddit
You losing track of your bot accounts?
throwawayaccountisr@reddit
Yes I have only 5.
Disaster1992@reddit
Suddenly you care about breaking ceasefire agreements? What a clown.
860v2@reddit
Disaster1992@reddit
Nah ceasefire is history. We want free sovereign Palestine.
manhattanabe@reddit
You’re making stuff up. Nowhere does it say the bodies were tortured. It says some were shot. It doesn’t even say Israel killed these people. They may have been bodies Israel dug up while searching for buried hostages. They could also be bodies of Palestinians killed during the Oct 7th massacre.
metamorphotits@reddit
holy shit, the cope coming off of you is insane.
you think they're confused that a body with all limbs handcuffed that was run over by a tank is a two year old corpse of a palestinian that was somehow at an israeli music festival, kibbutz, or military office on october 7th, and the hospital couldn't tell????
manhattanabe@reddit
Did the hospital say the body not two years old?
metamorphotits@reddit
you're genuinely implying that a hospital cannot identify the difference between a corpse left to rot for two years versus a fresh one? nothing weird to you about israel holding on to a body for two years without attempting to identify it or bury it in one of many mass graves?
also, way to gloss over the fact some of them were run over by tanks.
manhattanabe@reddit
Israel has many thousands of bodies of Palestinians who were involved in the Oct 7th attacks. They may or may not have managed to identify them, and even if they did, they may not have provided this information to a Hamas. In addition, there are probably Hamas fighters who were run over by tanks during the 2 years of war, again, identified of not. Hamas should be able to identify their people, if they want.
metamorphotits@reddit
so you're saying that israel did not attempt to identify any of the october 7th attackers they found dead? interesting. what about the part about handcuffing the arms and legs of a corpse? are they afraid of zombies?
you have a very vibrant imagination, but only when it comes to excusing war crimes, it seems. anyone dead is hamas! also, hamas is amazing and can identify a two year old corpse run over by a tank. it's not like they don't have over 70k dead to identify already...
israel definitely keeps plenty of bodies- they haven't released the body of dr. adnan al-bursh, who was tortured to death in prison, or the results of his autopsy. why do you think they gotta reach all the way back to 2023? is that the last time you recognize they had an excuse to run over people with a tank and return their mangled and unidentified corpses later?
manhattanabe@reddit
All identification is done with DNA nowadays. Even one finger enough.
Kaleidoscope9498@reddit
Does Israel have a DNA database of Palestinians to reference that? DNA identification is not magical, you need at least the data of relatives to identify a body.
I don't see why or how Israel would have such database.
Airowird@reddit
You can't claim Israel may not have identified them and then also call them terrorists.
Either they knew who these people were and refuse to give that information, or they ran over an unknown civilian captive with a tank as execution.
Calling an unidetified body a terrorist is the "all Palestinians are evil" propaganda of Israel in full effect.
metamorphotits@reddit
and israel wasn't interested in doing this, even though they have an incredibly sophisticated security apparatus? where would the palestinians conduct dna testing? literally every hospital has been bombed and people are dying from lack of medicine.
we know where the bodies came from: palestine. funny how you don't seem to need any proof to assume every single body israel is holding is a terrorist. what about that doctor that was raped to death in prison? did he do terrorism via podiatry?
Gamersco@reddit
https://entesaf.org/en/54810/
TraditionalGap1@reddit
You are aware this isn't the sum total of all reporting on the topic, ye?
manhattanabe@reddit
Well, I don’t get my news from Hamas.com.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
I hope you didn't hurt yourself too hard coming up with that zinger
Davidat0r@reddit
Let’s give visibility to this comment
GianfrancoZoey@reddit
There’s countless examples of Israel doing this exact sort of thing. Absolutely grotesque.
Frank_Scouter@reddit
What are you quoting? That’s not from either article, is it?
icatsouki@reddit
Bartellomio@reddit
They are so close to just starting a full-on extermination camp
TraditionalGap1@reddit
It isn't, it's from a Yemeni organization Entesaf
BackseatCowwatcher@reddit
from a quick google search- that is a branch of Houthis.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Thank god, someone who can independently look shit up
Mark_My_Morphemes@reddit
Where is this quote from? The only place they talk about torture in the article is with an Israeli hostage.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
They're quoting Yemeni organization Entesaf
Mark_My_Morphemes@reddit
Because I can't find the source and neither you nor the person who originally included the quote felt that was an important thing to provide when someone is asking where the quote came from. There's a lot of misinformation in the coverage of this conflict and the only thing we have to go off of is who is reporting g and what is being said.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Do you not know how to use google?
Mark_My_Morphemes@reddit
I legitimately could not find this until I just copy and pastes his quote. Just found it. With that out of the way, not the more reliable source in the world... also i think its disingenuous to put a quote as a comment under an article where that quote did not occur (especially without citing that quote). I think you could agree thats misleading.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Wait... you didn't start by copying and pasting the quote? How else would you go about finding it??
Mark_My_Morphemes@reddit
Search terms "Palestinian bodies Yemen entesaf" thought that would do the trick. copy paste is more annoying on mobile. And it's early for me.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
You should be able to highlight any text in a browser and search directly from the context menu. At least, that's how I found the answer on mobile.
Mark_My_Morphemes@reddit
Im on the reddit mobile app and they make you copy the whole comment from the ellipsis menu so I order to search the quote, I have to do that, remove the other comments from the search box and also the symbol from the "quote" code on reddit. I felt like those search terms would do the trick for recent news from reputable sources.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
How do you find the app? I bailed on it years ago and just stick with the mobile site and I've only heard bad things about their changes since.
Mark_My_Morphemes@reddit
Oh it's just in whatever app store most likely. There's annoying stuff but it gets the job done. Honestly, the copying thing is a major gripe of mine. Why can't I copy like literally everywhere else on my phone? You're going to make me go to a menu that allows me to copy, but not specify what I want to copy? It's absolute balls.
Pristine-Ant-464@reddit
Just horrific. What an evil fascist country.
teslawhaleshark@reddit
Soldiers apply the rule of felony murder, they say anyone dies in prison is only accountable to Hamas
ultraviolentfuture@reddit
Spare you the indignation? Hamas literally assaulted populated areas and raped and kidnapped women, GTFO. There may not be any moral high ground but the whataboutism is also not a worthwhile argument. October 7th started this round of violence.
blazeroman@reddit
Palestinian deaths don't get the same shock and awe reaction from people, you have reddit accounts that still repeat the same lies about beheaded babies but over 20 thousand children killed and torn to shreds don't matter to them, it's just numbers.
Quite frankly, and from experience, when you tell israelis theu have done so and so in terms of horrible crimes, they seem to be extremely proud of their doing and enjoying it, they will still call you antisetic later (or a kapo in my case) but point remains Palestinians to them and those who ally with them, are not considered humans.
chikunshak@reddit
I see quite a different view. Most media outlets cover Palestinian suffering and deaths, with greater sympathy, and less caveats.
Perhaps you are consuming too much right wing American or Israeli media?
blazeroman@reddit
Let's put the media you and i consume on the side and objectively look at how officials refer to Palestinians vs israelis. The kind of unfair language that is used by elected officials or even obama, a former president.
The "families vs. people" contrast is particularly telling (recent obama tweet about hostage exchange) because it humanizes and individualizes Israeli suffering while depersonalizing Palestinian experience. When Obama spoke of Israeli families waiting for their loved ones to return, he created emotional proximity and invited empathy for specific human relationships, parents, children, spouses. But describing Palestinians as simply "people" keeps them at a distance, as an abstract collective rather than individuals with the same web of family bonds and personal grief. This isn't a small stylistic choice; it fundamentally shapes how audiences connect emotionally to each narrative.
Also the "hostages vs. prisoners" language carries even more weight. The term "hostages" clearly implies innocent civilians taken illegally in an act of violence or coercion. "Prisoners" suggests legitimate detention, some kind of legal process, perhaps even criminality on their part. This framing persists even when many of the Palestinians released were held under administrative detention without charges or trial which by any neutral definition makes them hostages too. Israel has detained thousands of Palestinians, including hundreds of children, often without specific accusations. When minors are taken from their homes in night raids and held indefinitely, calling them "prisoners" rather than hostages is a political choice that obscures the reality of their detention.
This pattern appears across official rhetoric in other ways as well. You'll often hear that Israeli forces "respond" or "defend themselves" while Palestinians "attack" or "provoke," even when describing similar military actions.
When an Israeli airstrike kills civilians, officials might say it "targeted militants" with unfortunate collateral damage(very generous if they ever do that too) , but when Palestinians kill Israeli civilians, there's rarely such contextualizing language. Israeli civilian deaths are frequently named, their stories told, their families interviewed. Palestinian casualties, even when they outnumber Israeli deaths by factors of ten or more, are often reduced to statistics: "health officials say 500 people were killed."
Even the language around settlements reflects these disparities. Supporters of Israeli policy call them "neighborhoods" or "communities," evoking normal suburban life. Critics call them "illegal settlements" or "colonies," emphasizing their violation of international law. When a U.S. official shifts between these terms depending on their audience, it reveals how much political calculation goes into supposedly neutral description. The physical reality on the ground doesn't change, but the moral weight of the language shifts dramatically.
Perhaps most importantly, you'll hear officials repeatedly state that "Israel has a right to defend itself" which is true under international law. But this phrase appears so frequently and prominently in official statements that it drowns out equally valid points: that Palestinians also have rights under international law, that occupation itself is a form of violence, that self-defense has legal limits even for states. The constant repetition of one framing without the other creates an implicit hierarchy of whose rights matter most.
Not accidental word choices. Political figures at presidents/prime ministers level have communications teams that carefully craft every public statement. When such disparities appear consistently, they reveal underlying assumptions about whose suffering counts more, whose actions require justification, and whose humanity we're invited to recognize fully.
chikunshak@reddit
A thoughtful comment.
I agree that politicians and government officials tend to view things differently than the average person, and that they prioritize Israel's right to prosecute a war to reduce or remove Hamas' military capacity over the rights of civilians not to be harmed in the process or over the rights of Palestinians to resist occupation with force, and that their communications reflect that priority.
HopelessExistentials@reddit
Which was not even a war but was a genocide. They prioritized Israel carrying out a genocide.
blazeroman@reddit
Let's put the media you and i consume on the side and objectively look at how officials refer to Palestinians vs israelis. The kind of unfair language that is used by elected officials or even obama, a former president.
The "families vs. people" contrast is particularly telling (recent obama tweet about hostage exchange) because it humanizes and individualizes Israeli suffering while depersonalizing Palestinian experience. When Obama spoke of Israeli families waiting for their loved ones to return, he created emotional proximity and invited empathy for specific human relationships, parents, children, spouses. But describing Palestinians as simply "people" keeps them at a distance, as an abstract collective rather than individuals with the same web of family bonds and personal grief. This isn't a small stylistic choice; it fundamentally shapes how audiences connect emotionally to each narrative.
Also the "hostages vs. prisoners" language carries even more weight. The term "hostages" clearly implies innocent civilians taken illegally in an act of violence or coercion. "Prisoners" suggests legitimate detention, some kind of legal process, perhaps even criminality on their part. This framing persists even when many of the Palestinians released were held under administrative detention without charges or trial which by any neutral definition makes them hostages too. Israel has detained thousands of Palestinians, including hundreds of children, often without specific accusations. When minors are taken from their homes in night raids and held indefinitely, calling them "prisoners" rather than hostages is a political choice that obscures the reality of their detention.
This pattern appears across official rhetoric in other ways as well. You'll often hear that Israeli forces "respond" or "defend themselves" while Palestinians "attack" or "provoke," even when describing similar military actions.
When an Israeli airstrike kills civilians, officials might say it "targeted militants" with unfortunate collateral damage(very generous if they ever do that too) , but when Palestinians kill Israeli civilians, there's rarely such contextualizing language. Israeli civilian deaths are frequently named, their stories told, their families interviewed. Palestinian casualties, even when they outnumber Israeli deaths by factors of ten or more, are often reduced to statistics: "health officials say 500 people were killed."
Even the language around settlements reflects these disparities. Supporters of Israeli policy call them "neighborhoods" or "communities," evoking normal suburban life. Critics call them "illegal settlements" or "colonies," emphasizing their violation of international law. When a U.S. official shifts between these terms depending on their audience, it reveals how much political calculation goes into supposedly neutral description. The physical reality on the ground doesn't change, but the moral weight of the language shifts dramatically.
Perhaps most importantly, you'll hear officials repeatedly state that "Israel has a right to defend itself" which is true under international law. But this phrase appears so frequently and prominently in official statements that it drowns out equally valid points: that Palestinians also have rights under international law, that occupation itself is a form of violence, that self-defense has legal limits even for states. The constant repetition of one framing without the other creates an implicit hierarchy of whose rights matter most.
Not accidental word choices. Political figures at presidents/prime ministers level have communications teams that carefully craft every public statement. When such disparities appear consistently, they reveal underlying assumptions about whose suffering counts more, whose actions require justification, and whose humanity we're invited to recognize fully.
Stubbs94@reddit
No they don't. Every media outlet was giving the names of the Israeli hostages, but none of the Palestinian hostages. They also refused to call Palestinians hostages.
chikunshak@reddit
I saw several articles, but a lot of that has to do with intentional obscurity on the Israeli side with who was going to be released.
The media knew who were the Israelis who were captured on October 7 for years, but there were many Palestinians detained by Israel and many convicted prisoners who were released as well and Israel intentionally obscured the negotiations regarding the latter.
That's not evidence of a lack of sympathy for Palestinian suffering.
Stubbs94@reddit
I saw very little coverage of how emaciated and clearly tortured they were. 0 interviews with them or testimonies from their families. The Palestinians were released to the occupied West Bank too, so there's no excuse. The only coverage of the horrific state of the Palestinians is from Al Jazeera as always.
Gender_is_a_Fluid@reddit
Thanks for reminding me that Biden said he had seen the footage of beheaded babies when no such footage existed.
waiver@reddit
I wish Obama hadn’t needed to choose an old white man as vice president to counteract the racism against having a Black president, so that that POS could’ve been stuck in the Senate forever.
Stubbs94@reddit
Weren't some of the corpses still handcuffed on the ankles and wrists too?
metamorphotits@reddit
all of the corpses this time.
blurghh@reddit
Yes
Ashenveiled@reddit
Link?
Gubbinso@reddit
https://www.reutersconnect.com/item/people-watch-as-a-truck-carrying-the-bodies-of-palestinians-who-had-been-held-in-israel-during-the-war-arrives-at-nasser-hospital-in-khan-younis/dGFnOnJldXRlcnMuY29tLDIwMjU6bmV3c21sX1JDMlBCSEFFQjNHUA
redditing_away@reddit
That's just a picture of people at a fence and a headline? No mention of them being "badly decomposed" or such.
Gubbinso@reddit
Apologies, it was strangely difficult to find the story
https://youtu.be/ZAcmV7CDnJU?si=qEJazK0j1maDstaq
BonyDarkness@reddit
Al Jazeera English, ofc that’s the source I’m going to blindly trust in this matter.
Paradoxjjw@reddit
How unsurprising, the zionist troll ignores every source except Al Jazeera.
BonyDarkness@reddit
Great argument! You really showed me there lol
Paradoxjjw@reddit
Your bot script must be broken if it thought that was an argument
BonyDarkness@reddit
Wos wüst vo mia Hawar?
Gubbinso@reddit
I'm not saying you should blindly trust me or al jazeera, always verify or use multiple sources, especially when it's about Israel and Gaza
BonyDarkness@reddit
That’s why you send the first link as a source that doesn’t mention the stuff you said it’s a source for. Very reasonable and a very good basis for discussion of a topic like this. Well done!
Gubbinso@reddit
By all means, you're free to do your own research. I was posting what I could find at the time that related to what he said, attempting to help others find more information about the claims the original comment was making. If you find anything contradicting what OP claims, post it.
You baselessy claimed I lied, and are now reply with irrelevant sarcasm,so you're doing even less for this discussion.
ubion@reddit
Ofc you must have scrolled past the cnn link to complain about this source
BonyDarkness@reddit
I really don’t see any cnn link in this thread I’m replying to.
There is no cnn link in the original comment from u/blurghh. u/Ashenveiled is asking for a link. u/Gubbinso provides a reutersconnect link. u/redditing_away is saying the reutersconnect link doesn’t say anything about “decomposing”. u/Gubbinso is sending the YouTube link to Al Jazeera video.
Please show me where the alleged cnn link is you are referring to.
pulkxy@reddit
its here
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-gaza-ceasefire-deal-hostages-10-14-25?post-id=cmgr3l8su0000356oqp7oci4i
BonyDarkness@reddit
Thanks. But this wasn’t the point.
I’m not going to take a comment in another thread into account if I’m writing/responding in a whole different thread. Doesn’t make any sense.
This is purely a conversation about the reliability of a provided source. If I post an article from the times of Israel or something like that the article would be discredited the same way as propaganda.
What u/ubion is trying to do here is a bad faith argument that has nothing to do with the conversation. But apparently we aren’t ready to have a civil discussion about this.
pulkxy@reddit
it was posted as the first comment under the parent comment of this thread but it looks like they deleted it maybe
BonyDarkness@reddit
I hope you can see how I can’t take something into account that has been deleted.
pulkxy@reddit
you wanted a source, the source exists. not sure why the fuss
ubion@reddit
What the fuck are you on about? Just read the article
zZCycoZz@reddit
More trustworthy than the IDF.
BonyDarkness@reddit
Thank you, internet activist.
redditing_away@reddit
Thank you and no worries, but I still see no mention of the "badly decomposed and tortured" Palestinians the original poster mentioned.
Gubbinso@reddit
Yeah, I didn't either, I was just posting stories I could find that could relate to the original poster's claims
redditing_away@reddit
Gotcha. Appreciate it nonetheless!
blurghh@reddit
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-gaza-ceasefire-deal-hostages-10-14-25 is the link i was referring to, but yes the fact that this is getting next to no coverage is insane
It is not the first, second, or even third time this has happened. On my count at least 6 different instances of israel dumping dozens of unidentified palestinian bodies in gaza, including this one of 100 people.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/23/world/middleeast/gaza-mass-grave.html
WhiteMouse42097@reddit
That’s probably because you lied
Gubbinso@reddit
Lie about what? I didn't write the original comment nor make any claims, I just linked articles that related to his original comment
alexd1993@reddit
"People watch as a truck carrying the bodies of Palestinians who had been held in Israel during the war, arrives at Nasser hospital, amid a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, in Khan Younis in the southern Gaza Strip, October 14, 2025. REUTERS/Ramadan Abed TPX IMAGES OF THE DAY"
Is this what the other guy said? Because that's all your link said. Doesn't say anything about decomposition or tortured or dumped bodies.
Ashenveiled@reddit
dont use brain. just believe
Gubbinso@reddit
https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-gaza-ceasefire-deal-hostages-10-14-25?post-id=cmgr3l8su0000356oqp7oci4i
Took me a while to find an article
Ashenveiled@reddit
Israel could have recovered the bodies while searching for Israeli hostages and did not determine their identities.
Thats hamas saying lol.
blurghh@reddit
Why would Israel have “recovered” bodies of palestinians who they handcuffed, bound, and killed while searching for hostages?
“That’s Hamas saying lol”
No, it is the doctors at the hospital saying, who begged the red cross to intervene and investigate like the last time israel dumped a shipping container of mutilated and bound palestinians into Gaza, months ago
But let me guess, you trust the IDF, the same ones who ambushed and murdered several ambulances full of paramedics, buried them in a mass grave, buried their ambulance, then claimed that they were all armed Hamas fighters killed in a firefight despite eyewitnesses disputing it, only for video recovered from the site confirming that the Israelis murdered the clearly marked paramedics in cold blood after tying them up. They counted all 15 of the dead men as “killed terrorists” only to backtrack and say “oopsy we made a mistake” when video was recovered, oh and then proceeded to murder the twelve year old eyewitness who had been right all along
Ashenveiled@reddit
I dont trust hamas and qatar/iran bots on reddit.
blurghh@reddit
Hasbara trolls are getting lazier, sigh
ubion@reddit
Also some were blindfolded, all were handcuffed, some run over by tanks, why did Israel take them ?
Gubbinso@reddit
That makes sense though. How much of Gaza did the IDF control? Did they not retrieve any hostages' bodies while occupying Gaza? Why wouldn't they?
WhiteMouse42097@reddit
They made it up
blurghh@reddit
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-gaza-ceasefire-deal-hostages-10-14-25
Literally 5 seconds on google
Ashenveiled@reddit
the guy below linked article. even hamas ministery didnt say that those people were held in israel alive.
Onuus@reddit
Keep getting that blood money, kid!
shatonyou@reddit
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-gaza-ceasefire-deal-hostages-10-14-25?post-id=cmgr3l8su0000356oqp7oci4i
All of the bodies arrived at the facility with their hands and legs cuffed, the hospital said. The remains were being held in refrigerators in Israel and came with numbers marking them, rather than names, according to the hospital.
“Some are blindfolded, and there are signs of gunshot wounds in some cases, while others have been run over by tanks,” Nasser hospital said.
teslawhaleshark@reddit
You know what everyone say, both China and its ideological far opposites hate CNN
Firecracker048@reddit
You got a soruce for that that isnt a reddit commet?
blurghh@reddit
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-gaza-ceasefire-deal-hostages-10-14-25?post-id=cmgr3l8su0000356oqp7oci4i
Firecracker048@reddit
Okay, so no signs of torture on the bodies? Why lie about it?
In the entire article, there is literally 0 mention of torture or 'badly decomposed'. Being shot, or having signs of being run over isn't a sign of torture, likely the state the bodies were found in.
PickledLlama@reddit
Are you joking or just really really really awful?
blurghh@reddit
Running over handcuffed bodies with a fucking TANK is not normal behaviour to anyone who isn’t a psychopath
Frank_Scouter@reddit
There’s no mention of running handcuffed bodies over in a tank. Why isn’t it enough to blame Israel for what is factually correct, instead of making up lies?
KHRoN@reddit
cannibaltom@reddit
This should absolutely be today's headline instead of what it currently is. MSM following Israel's narrative, "hostages exchanges for prisoners", "terrorists" instead of "political prisoners detained without charges ".
Frank_Scouter@reddit
What news are you referring to? That’s not what it says in the article you linked?
Agasthenes@reddit
You are just straight up lying. The article says nothing about decomposition, exactly the opposite they are cooled.
Where does it say they were tortured? It specifically says the bodies had died in various ways. To say 45 tortured Palestinians is just a straight up propaganda lie.
redditing_away@reddit
None of the sources so far have backed up your "badly decomposed and tortured" claim, neither are they simply dumped but specifically transported by the Red Cross. They're exchanging bodies as the agreement stipulates.
Why the need to dramatize this?
fcukou@reddit
Wrong
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-hostages-identified-9.6937432
redditing_away@reddit
Well then link the original AP report?
At least in this article there's now at least a mention of some "showing signs of torture", as to back up your initial claim.
Regarding your "Israel just dumped" part however, it would seem this guy disagrees slightly:
fcukou@reddit
Desperate, now you are trying to call the CBC fake news lol.
Go home GI, your girlfriend is getting railed by her neighbor GI, she doesn't care about your Unit 8200 position GI
MeGustaMiSFW@reddit
They bombed the fuck out of everything and then gave them 24 hours to return the bodies they killed and buried under rubble. Israel is not acting in good faith, they’ve also killed several Palestinians during the “ceasefire” so far.
TurbulentData961@reddit
And bombed the heavy rubble moving machinery aid
DalmationStallion@reddit
Don’t forget they halved the amount of aid they agreed to let in.
Bartellomio@reddit
It's like they are constantly looking at themselves and asking how they can be more evil
azure_beauty@reddit
In other words, Hamas sends Israel the body of a random Palestinian instead of returning the Israeli whose body they kidnapped after murdering them two years ago.
In fact this is not the first time they did so, last time sending back a random woman claiming her to be Shiri Bibas, padlockimg the coffin and throwing the key away, evidently in an attempt to hide the fact that they were responsible for her death.
Waffles86@reddit
In other other news, Israel has turned Gaza into rubble, and are now getting upset that it’s hard to find the hostages they carpet bombed.
Any normal person would realize that the two are connected; that it’s hard to find and identify pieces of flesh under buildings that were carpet bombed
azure_beauty@reddit
We have testimony from hostage survivors that hostages were taken into Gaza city during the latest offensive to be used as human shields. According to the testimony, at least one hostage was killed after a building from which his Hamas captors were firing collapsed after Israeli shelling.
The fact that hostages are under rubble is the fault of Hamas, and Hamas alone.
HourEast5496@reddit
Every accusation is a confession.
Say, zio, how's that "site 81" under the tower Da Vinci doing?
Wasn't it bombed by Iran? Did you ask your government why they built a US-Israel intelligent service facility under residential building and near a children playground?
azure_beauty@reddit
Considering a third of your recent comment history consists of calling people Nazis, I don't think this belief reflects well on your morality.
HourEast5496@reddit
Meh! I call that only to znazis. You're hurt because you're one of them
Being an Israeli, morality is not something you should even talk about as it is not you're or your lot is familiar with or abide by.
azure_beauty@reddit
Every accusation is a confession, Nazi.
loggy_sci@reddit
Zio is a antisemitic slur used by the KKK. Mods here have banned its use. You’ve been told this before but mods don’t seem to care.
Ropetrick6@reddit
The fact that hostages are under rubble is the fault of the people turning the buildings hostages were inside of into rubble.
Also, you realize that Israel literally uses human shields, right?
azure_beauty@reddit
I am curious to hear your proposal on how you are supposed to fight against someone firing at you from inside a building without harming the building
Ropetrick6@reddit
I am curious to hear your proposal on how you are not liable for your own actions in turning an entire building to rubble.
Also, Israel murdered Hind Rajab perfectly fine without using missles to turn the building she was in to rubble, why can't they do the same to Hamas? Is it just that much easier for you guys to murder children?
azure_beauty@reddit
Again, if someone is firing at you from a building it is entirely reasonable to eliminate the threat. it is not Israel's fault that Hamas purposefully brought a hostage into the middle of the battle to use them as a shield.
Firstly, she was not in a building, she was under a car, secondly there has been no concrete evidence showing Israel as culpable, which further highlights the fog of war experienced by the fighters on the ground.
Ropetrick6@reddit
Lol, yet more lies out of Israel. Israel was literally proven to have done the murder, you just prefer to lie about it.
azure_beauty@reddit
It's not a lie, she was in fact under a car. Perhaps you should learn some facts about the people you pretend to care so much about.
Ropetrick6@reddit
Oh, playing dumb now that you're being called out for spreading the lie that Israel didn't murder her? I'd ask where your human decency was, if you weren't an Israeli Zionist.
azure_beauty@reddit
I only said that there is no concrete evidence that Israel is responsible for her death. That is not a lie, it is the reality. Is it possible that Israel killed her? Yes, absolutely. But we cannot know that.
Ropetrick6@reddit
It's literally been confirmed that Israel killed her. Your lies aren't going to change that basic fact.
azure_beauty@reddit
No such thing has been confirmed by anybody.
Ropetrick6@reddit
https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/the-killing-of-hind-rajab
It's literally confirmed that Israel did the killing. It was confirmed by the fucking phone call that brought the paramedics to the scene.
You just prefer to lie and say it's up in the air to avoid holding the murderers accountable.
azure_beauty@reddit
While I appreciate the link and the investigative journalism involved, the page never actually provided any conclusive evidence for the killing of Hind, only her family members.
Yes, it is possible that Israel was responsible. But as I state, the easily observable fog of war explains why it is not always possible to easily distinguish between Militant/Civilian, nor is it possible to identify and avoid harming hostages when they are used as human shields during firefights.
It's just not within the capabilities of the average IDF conscript to identify and verify these facts in an active warzone.
Ropetrick6@reddit
It literally gave you the exact evidence showing they knew they were shooting civilians. Fog of war doesn't apply here, and fog of war never justifies murdering civilians in the first place.
They shot the vehicle Hind Rajab was in 335 times at point-blank range. Hind Rajab was killed by the rounds used by the IDF. The IDF killed the rest of her family in the vehicle. The IDF killed the paramedics that came to try and rescue her and her family. If you can't put 2 and 2 together, let me do ot for you: the IDF killed Hind Rajab.
azure_beauty@reddit
Does it apply in the case I was referencing where Hamas used a hostage as a human shield? Or was the IDF supposed to see through the walls to know he was there?
Ropetrick6@reddit
I'd generally assume that when you're trying to free hostages, it's a bad idea to use extremely high yield explosives on places where hostages may be located.
Personally, if a person had my family hostage, I'd prefer for the SWAT teams to use precision, minimize collateral risks, and be open to negotiation for the release of my family. I would prefer that they don't bury my family in rubble due to absolutely destroying the building they're in, along with every other building in a mile radius.
But hey, that's just me.
azure_beauty@reddit
It is following this reasoning that entire blocks in Gaza have remained untouched, as hostages were being held in the area. Israel had no ability to know that a hostage would be purposefully transporter into the middle of the battlefield to act as a human shield, nor were they able to ignore the active threat to their troops.
Ropetrick6@reddit
Maybe if Israel hadn't turned over 90% of Gaza into rubble through its complete disregard for civilians and human lives, the hostages would be alive. They'd definitely be alive if you hadn't given Hamas support in order to destabilize Palestinian democracy and peace efforts.
Also, what are your thoughts on the hostages taken by the IDF?
azure_beauty@reddit
We already paid a high price to bring the hostages back. A war was necessarily and entirely justified.
I'm glad they're back
Ropetrick6@reddit
So what's your stance on the countless civilians still being held hostage by the IDF? Because they are, by no definition of the word, "back".
Also, sorry to break it to you, but the IDF has never been justified.
azure_beauty@reddit
Oh you call those hostages. Well sorry, being a civilian does not automatically make it so that you cannot commit crimes. Criminals are locked up, and that's good, unless you want to refer me to a specific case where you believe someone to be unjustly jailed.
Ropetrick6@reddit
What crimes are the innocent people being held without charges guilty of? Because that's exactly what Administrative Detention is.
azure_beauty@reddit
Every country detains people to some extent before proving their guilty status, Israel's is obviously on the extreme side, but the circumstances too, are extraordinary.
Ropetrick6@reddit
So you're saying that Hamas didn't take hostages, they just took people into Administrative Detention until they could prove their guilty status.
azure_beauty@reddit
Haha no because the Israelis did not commit any crimes.
Ropetrick6@reddit
And neither did the children you kidnapped into Administrative Detention.
azure_beauty@reddit
There are zero children in Israel military detention.
Ropetrick6@reddit
And there are zero Israelis in Hamas detention.
azure_beauty@reddit
No shit we got em out.
Ropetrick6@reddit
Hamas released them, just like how you occasionally release Palestinian children after you kidnapped them.
Ropetrick6@reddit
Also, why are you backing away from your claims about Hind Rajab's murder? Aren't you supposed to keep going off about how the IDF did nothing wrong ever, and it's her fault for being a Palestinian?
azure_beauty@reddit
What point is there in my repeating what I said? You read it. My mind did not change, you can read it again if you want.
Ropetrick6@reddit
So you're choosing to be wrong and deny reality, got it.
WongFarmHand@reddit
hamas was firing at the IDF from the 90% of gazan buildings that are now destroyed?
no, it was carpet bombed and now hostage bodies are buried underneath all of that rubble along with many thousands of innocent palestinians
as if israel cares about the hostages anyway, this is all just a setup to restart the war on demand when they cant find all the bodies under the mountains of rubble they created
idgafsendnudes@reddit
Absolutely braindead take that the people destroying the building have no responsibility for the destruction of the building. Is being braindead a prerequisite for being a Zionist?
azure_beauty@reddit
I am curious to hear your proposal on how you are supposed to fight against someone firing at you from inside a building without harming the building itself.
PrinceNorway@reddit
Listen to yourself. firing at who? The tanks or missiles that are bombing the building?
azure_beauty@reddit
I don't understand. Are you denying the existence of Israeli ground troops in Gaza? That's a new one.
PrinceNorway@reddit
no of course not, who will bulldose and rape without them?
azure_beauty@reddit
So if you accept that there are ground troops in Gaza, how come you deny that they can be fired upon?
PrinceNorway@reddit
Im deniying that its the ground troops leveling buildings.
azure_beauty@reddit
I don't understand. You think the building was shelled by a magic flying tank?
PrinceNorway@reddit
Clearly you dont understand alot, you are on israels side. But keep it up buddy, see how that goes for your conscience.
Stubbs94@reddit
This is said under the premise that Israel has any right to fight the Palestinians while occupying their land. Israel isn't supposed to fight in Gaza. It's supposed to end the occupation.
azure_beauty@reddit
Yeah we do. Next.
Stubbs94@reddit
Nope. There is no right for a nation to defend itself against a people they occupy. Attacking Gaza in itself is a war crime. Before you start that ""what about Khamas?" Bollocks... Yes, occupied people can breach international law and commit war crimes when resisting and this shouldn't be justified either.
azure_beauty@reddit
My comments are also a war crime, I know.
In fact, walking my dog is also a war crime, prohibited under the "no shitting on native land" clause of the Geneva convention.
HamunaHamunaHamuna@reddit
Imagine founding a country based on ethno-religious purity through global terrorism on a greater scale than anything Hamas have ever done; funding Hamas to commit terrorism against the people you've conquered, occupied and are oppressing; killing hundreds of thousands of civilians, several times the number of people than there are terrorists estimated in total by their own military intelligence; and still believing that you are the real victim in the situation.
azure_beauty@reddit
I know you just spat out a bunch of nonsense, and don't care to debunk every single point, but the "killed hundreds of thousands of civilians" is hilarious considering that the combined death toll during all of Israel's history doesn't even come close to that.
HamunaHamunaHamuna@reddit
The confirmed death toll, no. That don't include the vast majority of casualties buried underneath downed buildings.
azure_beauty@reddit
Yeah sure. Not even Hamas claims that nonsense.
HamunaHamunaHamuna@reddit
You should be required to dig them out the same way the Nazis were forced to clean up the death camps. Maybe then you'll acknowledge reality.
azure_beauty@reddit
Your claimed dead Palestinians literally do not exist. I don't know why you're so desperate to make up hundreds of thousands of dead people, that's weird.
HamunaHamunaHamuna@reddit
I disagree. And I understand completely why you'd try to deny it. Many Nazis still deny the Holocaust.
azure_beauty@reddit
What do you disagree about?
HamunaHamunaHamuna@reddit
That the dead Palestinians does not exist. These aren't my estimates, it's estimates by NGO journalists and aid organizations who have been on the ground in Gaza, who estimate somewhere between 180k - 300k buried underneath the rubble (2024 figures).
azure_beauty@reddit
But they literally don't. No one claims they do. You can't disagree about the existence of something that's not there.
HamunaHamunaHamuna@reddit
No, a lot of people claim they do. The only one who claims they do not exist is Israelis, who refuse to allow access for heavy duty equipment required to clear the rubble.
azure_beauty@reddit
Sure, let me amend that. No one serious claims that.
HamunaHamunaHamuna@reddit
Right, and only Israeli state propaganda is serious.
Stubbs94@reddit
Nope, just the actions Israeli militants take against the Palestinians.
Waffles86@reddit
“Look at what you made me do to you!”
notrororo@reddit
"shut up settler" is the only response for people like you
azure_beauty@reddit
Once again joining the harassment on the basis of national identity. Luckily for you reddit considers this entirely acceptable behavior.
notrororo@reddit
i don't think you and your country has any sympathy points left
azure_beauty@reddit
It's a well known fact that you are allowed to hate on a minority after they reach a certain level of unpopularity on the internet.
Javimoran@reddit
I think it is a stretch to label a country that is a military powerhouse with nuclear weapons as a minority...
azure_beauty@reddit
Evidently we are not a majority.
EH1987@reddit
No single country is a majority, what even is this stupid argument?
azure_beauty@reddit
Yes, in fact it's bad to be xenophobic to anyone.
EH1987@reddit
So stop.
azure_beauty@reddit
I agree. People should stop being xenophobic, unfortunately many think it's okay when it's done against Israelis because Israel is unpopular on the internet.
EH1987@reddit
Teflon brain on this one.
azure_beauty@reddit
Yeah I noticed, I'm being nice and slow so you understand
EH1987@reddit
"I know you are but what am I!"
That all you've got?
Javimoran@reddit
If you mean in the sense that most of the world is opposed to the actions of your country, yes. If not, I don't know what to tell you. You are in a war against a much weaker foe. It is like saying that the U.S. was a minority during the Vietnam war, as not even most Americans supported that. Doing something that most people oppose to is not the same as being a minority, it can also be that you are doing something wrong.
azure_beauty@reddit
The fact of most of the world not being us is all that matters for us to be a minority, which yes, is a relative term. In Israel Israelis are a majority, among Israelis, Jews are a majority, whereas Arabs are a minority.
In the holy land Palestinians are not a minority, their population is roughly equal to that of the Jews, whereas if we zoom out, Jews become a minority among a sea of Arab nations.
This really doesn't make sense, America is one of the worlds biggest nations, a leading player on the world stage, the opposite of a minority.
Javimoran@reddit
I don't know if you are purposely obfuscating the discussion or if you are dense and missing the point. With your definition, a serial killer is technically a minority because they are "not most of the world", and most of the world would oppose them. But that is not the traditional definition of a minority as "a small group of people within a community or country with different religion or political views". Israel is the most powerful country in the Middle East, military and financially backed by the U.S.
azure_beauty@reddit
You realize serial killers are not an ethnic or national identity, right?
Javimoran@reddit
And still going circles around the point. Keep your head in the sand.
EH1987@reddit
Could've fooled me.
zZCycoZz@reddit
More likely an israeli airstrike than anything else.
azure_beauty@reddit
We have forensic experts who confirmed that they were killed by strangulation, with experts from many countries confirming the validity of the findings.
zZCycoZz@reddit
No you dont.
Hamas and Israel have made conflicting statements about the cause of death for Shiri Bibas and her children. Hamas said that they were killed by an Israeli airstrike in November 2023.[11][27] The Israeli government said that forensic evidence indicated that they were killed by their captors, and that their corpses were mutilated to simulate injuries from a bombing.[20][25] Israel said it had shared evidence with its international partners.[28][29] Hamas accused Israel of fabricating "baseless lies".[11] Neither Israel nor Hamas has released evidence of their claims to the public.[27]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_and_killing_of_the_Bibas_family
Hamas proving that they died in an airstike would be very difficult while israel releasing the autopsy would be very easy so i know which one seems more likely to be true.
azure_beauty@reddit
Israeli claims have been verified by said international partners. Do you enjoy denying the murder of babies?
zZCycoZz@reddit
Then why dont they release any evidence? "International partners" also verified the beheaded babies claim but that was a hoax.
You should ask the IDF, theyre the experts considering they have murdered more babies than any militant group.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/08/middleeast/babies-al-nasr-gaza-hospital-what-we-know-intl
https://www.bmj.com/content/390/bmj.r1610
azure_beauty@reddit
Why do you want to see photos of mutilated toddlers?
They have not. In fact, not even Israelis have released any investigations claiming such a thing, this comes from a misunderstanding of the unfolding situation by a reporter on October 7, which mixed together the fact that babies were murdered (true) and the fact that people were beheaded (also true).
Onuus@reddit
Take your 7k blood money and go away lol
azure_beauty@reddit
I don't see how this is not harassment on the basis of national identity, which is ridiculous given you are Irish.
Waffles86@reddit
It’s really just harassment based on your shitty take
azure_beauty@reddit
Don't anyone not Jewish/Israeli get accused of taking "7k inblood money"
Waffles86@reddit
I don’t think that post was worth 7k (which is a real policy btw), maybe it was worth 5 dollars
azure_beauty@reddit
Please do let me know where I can claim my five dollars.
capri_stylee@reddit
The one shred of optimism I have for the future is seeing Israel become a parish.
azure_beauty@reddit
A parish lol.
MelodiusRA@reddit
Not Irish. The propagandists usually pick Ireland for some reason.
They get banned eventually.
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Gubbinso@reddit
Honestly, I'm not even sure they have the capability to identify the bodies with 80% of everything demolished by the IDF, they're probably searching for them from their last known locations, it's understandable that they would return wrong bodies among many buried under concrete.
azure_beauty@reddit
Indeed, mixups could happen. But why should we give them the benefit of the doubt when we know they intentionally tried to mislead us last time?
Not to mention this is obviously a stall tactic, given Israel itself knows where many bodies are, and the moment they applied pressure Hamas folded and released more.
Hamas wants a disporportional Israeli response. This is how they try to provoke it.
Gubbinso@reddit
Yeah, I mean it's understandable why you'd be cautious about believing Hamas but there's a lot of assumptions you're making.
We can contrast this with the 45 bodies returned by Israel, tagged but no identification given to Nasser hospital, which received the bodies. They have the infrastructure and ability to store the bodies along with identity databases, yet refuse to give Palestinian health professionals their identities.
You're assuming Hamas has the same Intel on the bodies as Israel does and have the means to quickly retrieve them if they're buried under rubble and then quickly identify them between other corpses buried under the rubble. I'm honestly surprised there's only been one wrong body returned so far.
azure_beauty@reddit
Hamas was holding more than 20 dead hostages, of which during the negotiations they stated they may struggle to immediately retrieve 6-8. So far they have returned 4 in one batch, and another 3(+1 Palestinian) after Israel threatened them by restricting certain concessions they made under the deal. (Of which mind you, I am not a fan, I do not believe international supplies should be used as a negotiation tactic.
Either Hamas lied during the netotiations, or they are adhering by their protocol of waging psychological warfare against the families of the hostages. Hard to give them a lot of the benefit of the doubt given they have played this game multiple times before.
As for the Nasser claims, I can comment as I have not read about that.
Gubbinso@reddit
It's very possible they lied during negotiations or at the very least overestimated how many bodies they could return, they weren't exactly in the best position to negotiate being unable to find some bodies.
Of course, I wish for quick recovery for their families but I think it's too early to assume they're withholding them on purpose.
Bear in mind most of Gaza is flattened, including buildings that held hostages, most of the infrastructure is destroyed, including roads and the blocking of bulldozers entering Gaza. I imagine it's an absolute nightmare being able to even retrieve one body from rubble, identify it and then transport it to handover to the red cross.
I think it'll take at least a few weeks to return all the bodies, hence why I think it's too early if they are indeed withholding bodies.
azure_beauty@reddit
Considering they either lied or are purposefully stalling, is. It not appropriate to apply immense pressure on them to adhere to the agreement? They have help finding hostages from Egypt and potentially others if the need for it arises.
Gubbinso@reddit
Oh by all means, keep demanding for the return of the bodies. I'm just saying that I think it's too early to conclude that they are withholding them on purpose.
In the coming weeks, it'll become clear if they are withholding the bodies for whatever reason, but it's only been a few days since they started retrieving them.
azure_beauty@reddit
For sure. Thank you for the respectful dialogue.
Ropetrick6@reddit
Why should we give Israel the benefit of the doubt when we know they intentionally spread disinformation all the time?
azure_beauty@reddit
Oh you don't have to. You don't get to choose.
Ropetrick6@reddit
Actually, I do get to choose. I'm not giving Israel the benefit of the doubt, seeing as they lied about Hind Rajab's murder.
smillinkillah@reddit
Evidently you don't care enough about Shiri Bibas' murder to know that after Israel detected that it wasn't her body, the mistake was acknowledged and solved - Shiri Bibas' body was sent to Israel and the palestinian woman's body whose identity was mistakenly was also returned.
It's not surprising that medical examiners in Gaza have difficulty in ensuring the identity of a victim of october 7th amid a war that has destroyed lives and essential infrastructure and on top of that having to deal with a terrorist organization.
azure_beauty@reddit
Well no shit, when Hamas was called out on the lie thy had no other options left. Does not change the fact that they sent back a random Palestinian women and clearly tried to obfuscate that fact by padlocking the coffin.
kiiwithebird@reddit
Bro when even the Israeli far right media portraits this as an accident, maybe your take is actually insane...
teslawhaleshark@reddit
Hamas is ultimately the army of lawyers
Bartellomio@reddit
Pure fucking evil country
GetOutOfTheWhey@reddit
How would they know?
They tested the remains and found that the person was a native and not from Europe?
frizzykid@reddit
No? There are lots of ways to take DNA off a dead body and compare it to samples like hair or old teeth, or even living relatives.
Ropetrick6@reddit
So you're saying that Israel tested the remains and found it was from a native, rather than from Europe.
Rulweylan@reddit
The majority of Israeli Jews are natives or the descendants of those Jews ethnically cleansed from Islamic countries over the last century.
Airowird@reddit
“The person was clearly not Israeli as they appeared to be an actual native of the Levant.” IDF
So ... the IDF seems to disagree with you about Israeli being natives.
Rulweylan@reddit
Any actual source for that quote, or is it just plucked from your own fevered imagination?
Ropetrick6@reddit
Mhm, suuuuuuuuure. And is that why they are overwhelmingly allergic to the native flora in comparison to Palestinians, who are actually native to the region?
loggy_sci@reddit
Native people can have allergies to native plants. What the fuck kind of dumb bullshit are you trying to spread here?
Ropetrick6@reddit
"Native" people aren't going to be over 3 times as likely to be allergic to the native plants compared to the ACTUAL natives.
Sorry to break it to you, but only the Palestinians are native here.
loggy_sci@reddit
This is not how allergies or human bodies work. You’re using the dumbest “evidence” imaginable.
Ropetrick6@reddit
Please, enlighten me as to why the people from Europe are over 3 times as likely to be allergic to the native flora of the region compared to the Palestinians who are, you know, actually native to the place.
Go on, do it.
loggy_sci@reddit
You haven’t bothered to prove it yourself, so no I’m not bff king to argue against a point you can’t be bothered to make.
Native people have allergies. Jews are also native to the Levant. Get over yourself.
Ropetrick6@reddit
European Jews are not native to the Levant, sorry to break it to you.
loggy_sci@reddit
Please stop getting your information from TikTok. Jews are native to the Levant and not all Jews in Israel are from Europe, you antisemitic racist.
EU-Best-Thing-Ever@reddit
He doesn't care about what you say, you might as well talk to the wall. All he wanted to say that that Israelis don't belong there and they should be removed, as he is genocidal fantasies wish
Zipz@reddit
Oh lord this racist bullshit again
CastleElsinore@reddit
They have their parents to compare
And contrary to popular belief, dna tests are not illegal in Israel
And no, jews are not from Europe.
Itay Chen Eliyahu Margalit Sahar Baruch Joshua Luito Mollel Tal Haimi Arie Zalmanowicz Ran Gvili Dror Or
Tamir Adar
Ronen Engel Inbar Hayman
Asaf Hamami Lior Rudaeff Muhammad Al-Atarash
Meny Godard Omer Neutra Daniel Oz Sontia Ok’Krasari Sontisek Rintalk Amiram Cooper
Hadar Goldin
Any of these sound like your name?
You are white. We aren't.
themightycatp00@reddit
Or maybe the found the DNA is from the Arabian peninsula and not from the levant
HourEast5496@reddit
That's still a lot more indigenous then you European and American Nazis.
Sarah-himmelfarb@reddit
lol stop this myth has been disproven time and time again. Learn history.
Exatex@reddit
„Never again“ also applies to Israelis. They should know best, of all people.
cptjeff@reddit
The basic reality is that most Israelis interpret "never again" as "never again to Jews, and we are entitled to massacre others to protect ourselves".
cesaroncalves@reddit
This is the entire article, 3 short sentences of hearsay from a genocidal entity.
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
Israel: "hey our forensics says this body doesn't match anyone from out list of remaining hostages"
Reddit plonkers: "hEaRSaY 🤪"
MechaCoqui@reddit
Yeah cause its not like israel hasn’t lied before to get an excuse to bomb their enemies… how many times has it been again that Iran was 2 years away from building a nuke?
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
Israel: "from out Intel, we think Iran maybe years away from building nukes. Here's all our data we've collected and how we came to this conclusion"
Morons in hindsight: "liArS 🤪"
MechaCoqui@reddit
Provide no link and just say “trust me bro” lol
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
Ahhhh you got me 😭😭😭😭😭
But how cool is the US bomber force??? Just one dumb picture of a bomb and they could fly half way across the world and accurately drop bombs on a nuclear site 😱
MechaCoqui@reddit
You mean by the puppet of Israel, the US that has a long history of just bombing brown people over false info? Like the Afghan war and iraq wars? The same US that said sadam had WMDs but no evidence ever provided for that claim or any found? That US?
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
No I mean the US that found a functioning nuclear site all with just a dumb old picture of a bomb 😱😱😱😱
That's some mad skill bro, like insanely mad. Just a picture 😱😱😁
MechaCoqui@reddit
Going by the emoji spamming, guess you’re another troll. So have fun arguing alone, moron.
RainbeauxBull@reddit
I'm not sure why they'd think they would get all the hostage remains back anyway.
The area is fucking destroyed but somehow that destruction wouldn't apply to the remains of some of the hostages.
Get real.
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
They shouldn't have agreed to it then. Get real
Ropetrick6@reddit
They didn't thoughm get real.
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
They did though, get real
Ropetrick6@reddit
They didn't though, get real.
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
They did though, get real
Mnonai@reddit
German flag... The joke really stands on its own. Get real, germ.
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
Says the guy who busy planning which political rival to kidnap and extort next. Come back when you need our spare change to fix your roads or something 😂
Jomtung@reddit
Wow dude, really pressed the gas on that racism there
Agasthenes@reddit
Ah yes let's bro some racism into the debate.
Ropetrick6@reddit
they didn't though, get real.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Thank you for making it obvious you don't actually know what the agreement says.
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
You're welcome!!
Return all the hostages, else 50% aid reduction. Guess none of us involved in this actually know what the agreement says, only you do 😂😂
TraditionalGap1@reddit
That's why I suggest reading the agreement before spracking off
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
Oh ya, totally. But you're on to something here 😱
You should spread your supreme knowledge to everyone involved! Israel, the US, Egypt, Qatar, Hamas, no one has read and understood the agreement because they're about to reduce aid by half 😱😱😱
Your supreme brain could save so many lives, please do it 😱😱😱
Ropetrick6@reddit
My well-regarded friend, have you actually READ the agreement? Or is this a case of you refusing to do so because it contradicts your favorite propaganda?
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
Ya, from this comment chain apparently none of us have read the agreement because aid is to be cut by 50% 😱😱😱
Oh wait, are also in possession of supreme reading and Link-Sharing abilities??? Maybe get in touch with Israel, USA, Qatar, Egypt because they're all about to do something terrible cause no one has apparently understood the agreement apart from you all 😱😱😱😱
Save humanity 😱😱😂😂😂
Ropetrick6@reddit
Go ahead and quote the agreement.
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
Bruh, Im telling you I can't. Neither can all of Israel, Hamas, Qatar, Egypt 😱😱😱😱
Only you can 😱😱😱
Ropetrick6@reddit
Quote it.
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
I just told you I can't, neither can Israel USA Qatar Egypt, only you can save them 😱😱😱😱😂
Ropetrick6@reddit
Quote. The. Agreement.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
You don't have to be a toolbox, the agreement has been publicly posted for all to see. You aren't doing yourself or your credibility any favours (although I doubt you care)
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
Omg it's been posted and still so many parties are so confused?? Man, we need you to save us all!!!! Call them all right now and tell us we're severely mistaken, think of all the lives you'd save 😂😂
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Let's be real, you understanding or not understanding the agreement and its terms doesn't put anyones lives at risk. Easy with the main character syndrome
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
Aye you're soooo good at reading but missed that I wasn't talking about me but all the big players like Israel, the US, Qatar, Egypt and Hamas that seem to all share my incorrect understanding. So call them and correct them all with your supreme understand and reading ability and link sharing ability 😱😱😱😱
TraditionalGap1@reddit
You're claiming Hamas has said they broke the ceasefire? Qatar has said they broke the ceasefire? Egypt has said they broke the ceasefire?
You have some sort of citation for this, right? You didn't just make shit up out of nothing, right?
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
I've no idea apparently. Neither does anyone else because they're about to reduce aid by 50% to Gaza since Hamas has failed to deliver the deceased as the promised. But this is wrong apparently cause none of can read as well as you do 😱😱😱
So contact them all and tell them not to reduce the aid since Hamas hasn't done anything wrong 😱😱😱😱
TraditionalGap1@reddit
You don't have to go up and down every comment thread plastering your ignorance for all to see; we're all quite aware by this point
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
Don't waste time then, get on the phone and call Israel, USA, Hamas, Egypt, Qatar 😱😱😱😱😱
Since only you've understood the agreement and no one else has 😂😂😂😂
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Why? You're the one having difficulty
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
Because they all think Hamas is in breach by not returning deceased hostages and are about to reduce aid by 50%.
But apparently Hamas is not in breach and they're all about to make a dire mistake right? 😂
TraditionalGap1@reddit
The only one who thinks this is Israel, and we don't even know if they actually think that or they're just using it as an excuse to keep things simmering, which is what many folks predicted would happen prior to the ceasefire.
they say Hamas is in breach, but that isn't the same thing at all.
Drab_Majesty@reddit
You are telling on yourself 🤡
https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-text-of-oct-9-israel-hamas-deal-on-trumps-plan-for-comprehensive-end-to-gaza-war/
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
Daaaaamn, I was just telling the other guy, looks like all parties involved have misunderstood the agreement 😱😱😱
We could use your supreme brain power to help clarify all these details. Please contact Israel, USA, Qatar, Egypt, Hamas, etc. and let them know asap that they've all misunderstood it 😱😱😱
Sav humanity please 😱😱😱😱😂
Drab_Majesty@reddit
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
Fair enough, but what did Israel, USA, Hamas, Egypt and Qatar say? 😱😱
Did you show them your supreme reading skills? 😂
Drab_Majesty@reddit
What do you mean what did they say? They signed the agreement. What do you think they said?
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
But they've not understood it since they're blaming Hamas for breaching it by not returning the deceased 😱😱😱
But according to you, this isn't even part of the ceasefire so please go correct them all 😂😂😂
Drab_Majesty@reddit
LMFAO, Lil bro, do you actually think Israel does not know? They have broken the agreement several times in the first days of the agreement. When there are boot licking idiots that are easily manipulated to believe propaganda they can get away with anything. It's almost like Israel has a storied history of lying.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
pics or shens
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
No idea what this means lol
TraditionalGap1@reddit
gee, if only there existed some technology that would allow you to quickly and easily educate yourself with a simple search.
if only
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
Gee, if only there existed a shred of self respect in you that would encourage you to not resort to some cringe tiktok crap and then expect others to follow along
If only
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Tiktok? Buddy, pics or shens is probably older than you are
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
Oh wooooow, so coooool, TIL 😱😱😱
twotokers@reddit
Color me surprised that a German is once again on the wrong side of history when it comes to a genocide.
Gender_is_a_Fluid@reddit
I encountered this pinwheel maniac yesterday too, they seem on a mission to prove themselves worthy of the next reich.
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
Colour me surprised that an American showing the world that their education system is a failure
CwazyCanuck@reddit
The requirement is that Hamas return deceased hostages in their possession and to provide intel on the locations, to the best of their ability, of deceased hostages not in their possession.
Hamas literally did not agree to return all the hostages because it can’t.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-text-of-oct-9-israel-hamas-deal-on-trumps-plan-for-comprehensive-end-to-gaza-war/
RainbeauxBull@reddit
I can agree to give you 10 billion dollars. You'd still be a fool to expect it
fcukou@reddit
They don't agree to it. They agreed to return the bodies in their possession in areas they control. Bodies buried under rubble aren't in their possession, nor are bodies in areas held by the IOF.
cesaroncalves@reddit
Israel is also not allowing digging equipment to pass through to get the bodies.
cesaroncalves@reddit
Literally the article :
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
Oh riiiight, maybe the agriculture department should've said this, wonder why the military is bother, right Einstein?
ifnotthefool@reddit
You realize israel is known to lie. Like, a lot..
itsamepants@reddit
Because Hamas is known as the pillar of truth ?
ifnotthefool@reddit
Do you deny israel is well known for lying? Weapons of mass destruction ring a bell?
rattleandhum@reddit
what was that about whataboutism?
Gubbinso@reddit
Hamas lies so Israel is allowed to lie too right?
"The most army in the world" has less credibility than a sensationalist tabloid, I'd believe the daily express before I believe anything the IDF says.
cesaroncalves@reddit
https://www.wordnik.com/words/hearsay
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
https://www.wordnik.com/words/moron
Ropetrick6@reddit
Oh look, a page all about you!
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
https://www.wordnik.com/words/cringe
Ropetrick6@reddit
Wow, another page all about you!
rattleandhum@reddit
lol gottem
DopeShitBlaster@reddit
“The person was clearly not Israeli as they appeared to be an actual native of the Levant.” IDF
capri_stylee@reddit
Israel kills tens of thousands of children, and starves the survivors.
Germans "iSrAeL has A RiGhT to DeFeNd ItsElF!!!"
Sadists.
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