Israel says it opens fire on suspects in Gaza, local authorities report six killed
Posted by SirLadthe1st@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 569 comments
DevA248@reddit
The genocide continues.
I am sure that many Zionists will flock here saying "Hamas should disarm!" or whatever. With all the people being killed, why don't they call for Israel to be disarmed?
SirLadthe1st@reddit (OP)
Same reason Iran's nuclear program is "too dangerous" but Israel is allowed to continue its own without any supervision: "rules for thee but not for me"
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
Israel has not repeatedly threatened to wipe a nation off the map.
Zer_@reddit
That's not exactly true, Israel was founded on stolen land.
860v2@reddit
False, it was conquered.
QuackingMonkey@reddit
What do you think that means??
860v2@reddit
Israel won the land through war (which Palestinians started). That’s not the same as “stealing”.
QuackingMonkey@reddit
We have a very different view on this point then.
860v2@reddit
My view is based on the definitions, not sure what you’re basing it on.
QuackingMonkey@reddit
It's taking control of land that wasn't yours before. Using military force in the process makes it conquering, but I'd still put it under the larger umbrella of theft.
860v2@reddit
That’s not how any of this works.
QuackingMonkey@reddit
Of course you feel that way.
860v2@reddit
Nope, just going by the definitions. You're just mad that your side lost numerous wars.
QuackingMonkey@reddit
lol, show me a definition that specifically tells that taking something that wasn't yours before by force doesn't fall under the umbrella of theft. This is like saying that gorillas aren't mammals because they are apes.
By the way, I technically have no side in this fight, but I sure have more empathy for the oppressed than the oppressor.
860v2@reddit
Google is free. That sounds like a good first assignment for you.
QuackingMonkey@reddit
I know it is, I even double checked the definition. It's your turn now :)
860v2@reddit
No, you didn’t otherwise you wouldn’t be claiming that two different terms are the same.
QuackingMonkey@reddit
I didn't claim they are synonyms.
860v2@reddit
Here comes the backtracking. 😂
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
Stolen from who? The British? The Ottoman Empire? The Mameluke Sultanate? The Kingdom of Jerusalem? The Fatimid Caliphate? The Abassid Caliphate? The Roman Empire? The Seleucid Empire? The Persian Empire? The Jews were there before all of those entities.
blazeroman@reddit
Then why ia DNA testing banned in israel?
The average Palestinian is more semitic than any european or brooklyn jew that migrated there and got nationality on arrival.
This still doesn't give an excuse to wipe a nation off the map
You can't just select what,you like and ignore the rest of stated facts, it doesn't work out like that
DanDan1993@reddit
It's... Not banned lol
Why are you lying online about it? So weird
blazeroman@reddit
It is banned with the exception of maternity testing reason and from a court order.
Please go shower
Unique_Statement7811@reddit
That’s a lie.
blazeroman@reddit
nope.
Unique_Statement7811@reddit
Repeating the lie, doesn’t make it true. You can do genealogy testing in Israel.
blazeroman@reddit
you are right , repeating a lie doesn't make it true .
DNA testing is banned in israel with the exception of court orders for maternity reasons.
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
So, not banned.
blazeroman@reddit
For the purpose of lineage testing it is.
Take your meds buddy.
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
So regulated, not banned.
blazeroman@reddit
You are just making a strawman for the strawman at this point.
DanDan1993@reddit
So prove it? You're just lying and saying "trust me"
Also why are you telling me to shower?
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
It is not banned, it is regulated.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-no-dna-tests-230000258.html
protonpack@reddit
Regulating cocaine for only medical uses... means it's not banned? Do you feel embarrassed posting such dumb stuff?
Zer_@reddit
Stolen from the Natives, who've lived there since the bronze age. I know what you're trying to do and it won't work, I know my history. There is no mention of Israel in ancient texts up until the Iron Age (where it can be seen mentioned alongside Judah), but there are historical references to the region of Palestine and her peoples since the Bronze age (1300 BCE). Earlier names for the region incldude Djahi, Retenu and Cana'an, of which many Palestinians can trace ancestry to...
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
Jews and the ancestors of the Jews have lived there for thousands of years
Zer_@reddit
Also true, but that doesn't give them the right to turn the region into a Jewish ethno state. Jews, and the other Natives lived in the region for ages with some demographic shifts due to the various Empires that took hegemony over the region.
What makes Israel a colonial project is that most of them are actually European Jews who forcefully displaced ~750,000 natives in 1948. If Zionists were serious about creating a true democratic nation, they'd have included the natives in the process, not excluded them. But of course, the Balfour declaration of 1916 made the Zionist intent to displace clear.
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
Not true, most Israeli are of middle eastern and North African origins at this point.
NoHandBananaNo@reddit
Im curious do you support stuff like this guy
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/hwrsXOvnlUA
Zer_@reddit
I said it was mostly European Jews that displaced the 750,000 Palestinians during the Nakba, which is true, largely Eastern European to be precise.
That said yeah, being a Jewish ethno-state; Israel does let Jews from almost anywhere immigrate to Israel. They even still offer free "nativity" trips depending on where you're immigrating from. What they don't allow is more than ~20% of their citizens from being non-jewish.
pm_me_your_pay_slips@reddit
So have the Palestinians.
Unique_Statement7811@reddit
“The natives.” Mizrahi Jews are native.
mitchconnerrc@reddit
Israel was not a nation-state during all of that time, so I guess the means all those empires had the right to exterminate the entire population in the area, Jews included? Just using your logic?
DevA248@reddit
Yeah, exactly. Like, I have never seen such an ignorant statement as "Israel doesn't wipe countries off the map." Because that's literally what Israel is, and has been, it is the act of wiping off Palestinians from existence in their land.
ebola_kid@reddit
Israel quite literally has a doctrine with its nuclear weapons that it will do mass retaliation with nuclear weapons if it's attacked. It is by far the most likely country to use a nuclear weapon after the US
GothicGolem29@reddit
The doctrine is not just if Israel is attacked it is if Israel is invaded and much of it is destroyed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option it is a last resort so it would be if Israel was about to be defeated that they would deploy it. And as for Israel being second most likely not sure that is true because any country that would have a chance of defeating Israel to such an extent that the Samson Option would be deployed is not foolish enough to do so given the catastrophic consequences.And if I may ask why is the US the most likely?
ebola_kid@reddit
It's a last resort because it's a way of holding the world hostage that it can act however it wants and if it ever is invaded to stop the insane attacks it does on other countries it would nuke whatever it can.
Israel is a rogue state. They're very likely to use a nuke. Other nuclear states aren't at risk of being in a war anytime soon (like France or the UK) and Russia wouldn't nuke Ukraine since it's trying to annex the territory.
America is run by a sycophant dictator and him and his staff are probably just insane enough to nuke somewhere as a show of force
GothicGolem29@reddit
I don't think it is a way to hold the world hostage rather they know they have alot of enemies surrounding them d have done since their independence. so want a way to protect Israel from invasion.
Israels attacks that you would class them as a rogue state for have all been conventional not nuclear which just adds evidence that they dont think they need to use it.They are not likely Israel has no reason to nuke anyone if no one invades them and no one will launch a invasion of the scale needed because doing so will lead to nuclear destruction. None of those countries are likely either I am not sure any country is likely it is just in no ones interests to provoke someone into launching nukes and so it doesnt happen.
Thanks for the answer but I do disagree. Trump is showing dictatorial tendancies and is a sychophant but I don't think that extends to such risk of destruction via Nuclear armageddon. He might invade countries sanction them claim credit for peace deals etc but nukes I don't think so
blazeroman@reddit
Israel has in fact, releatedly threatened to wipe MULTIPLE NATIONS off the map.
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
MULTIPLE 😱😱😱
Which ones?
DevA248@reddit
Palestine.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/06/hamas-israel-hunger-war-in-gaza
Lebanon
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/8/israels-netanyahu-warns-lebanon-could-face-destruction-like-gaza
Iran
https://www.iranintl.com/en/202406296697
GothicGolem29@reddit
That last source says they threatened to wipe out the Iranian regime not wipe Iran off the map
DevA248@reddit
Given that Israel has committed genocide under the pretext of "removing Hamas," I don't think we should give them the benefit of the doubt on this subject.
GothicGolem29@reddit
Even leaving aside my views on your genocide accusation, I am not gonna assume a country meant destroy all of Iran just because they have a committed a crime. We should go off what we can verify instead
capt_fantastic@reddit
Project for a new American century.
NearABE@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
All of them or any of them. The Israeli State also maintains an active policy of denying that they have any nuclear weapons.
blazeroman@reddit
On my way to hold your phone for you and search for it holdup, if only there was a way to search and fact check before spewing written diarrhea online
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
So no answer 🤦🤦
Did you not save the tiktok video where you get this info from? You can look back into your view history and share what ever Mickey Mouse influencer you picked this stuff up from
blazeroman@reddit
The answer is if somekne is dumb on the internet, while they have internet, it's probably not worth the time of day to give them attention.
Also for a german, you are an embarrassment
DevA248@reddit
They have. And they have not only threatened it, but have done it.
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
Please show me a map indicating a sovereign state of Palestine in history?
DrieverFlows@reddit
Moron rebuke. So many nations recognize Palestine as a state. Usa is one of the few who doesnt
WhiteHartLaneFan@reddit
Where is it located and who is the head of state?
DrieverFlows@reddit
blazeroman@reddit
Ill do you one better, show me a map of israel's borders
You can't, because they don't have defined borders, because they want to grab more land, specifically up to the eufrates river.
WhiteHartLaneFan@reddit
lol. It’s the Jordan river. Someone doesn’t know anything about geography unless you think Israel is going to conquer all of Syria, Jordan, and Iraq
blazeroman@reddit
territorial vision that extends from the Nile River to the Euphrates River
WhiteHartLaneFan@reddit
That’s a conspiracy theory and not an official position. Even from a logistical standpoint, it doesn’t make sense. There’s only 10 million people in Israel, they couldn’t hold that much territory even if they wanted to.
Considering you are telling Israelis to take showers in the comments, you are clearly a liar and a bigot
Tom-Rath@reddit
"Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu tells i24 TV news that he feels he is on a “historic and spiritual mission,” and that he is "very attached to the vision of The Promised Land and Greater Israel."
But I'm sure you're right, it's just a conspiracy theory. Turn your fucking brain on dude lmao
You do realize that we have access to the Internet, right? You can't just lie to our faces and expect us to smile.
blazeroman@reddit
alright , you are being compoundly ignorant , you can't read . goodbye.
BufferUnderpants@reddit
Blud thinks that a people not having a state means they can be wiped out just like that lmao
TheIrishBread@reddit
Would love to know his thoughts on native Americans or the Tartars.
Vassago81@reddit
... But tatars had many different "states" during their several century of mostly peaceful conquests
GothicGolem29@reddit
Native Americans were also independent before colonialists areived
lricharz@reddit
Jews have been in Israel longer than Celts in Ireland.
cgaWolf@reddit
- Ofc they can. This is my country now!
- You can't just claim the country! We live here, all 500 million of us!
- But do you have a flag?
spudmarsupial@reddit
Hmmm, Jews might not like that idea.
Oh wait.
BufferUnderpants@reddit
It’s also blatantly colonial, that Zionist argument neatly excuses the dispossession of land and rights that indigenous peoples in the Americas suffered, which makes all the claptrap about indigeneity being a justification for genocide an absolute farse
DevA248@reddit
Do you really think recycling the same colonial lie about "Palestinians don't exist" is helping your case here?
GothicGolem29@reddit
Palestinians exist as a people however,a sovereign state of Palestine sadly did not and does not. Before Israel launched its occupation Palestine was not indepdent
HourEast5496@reddit
That person is a Nzazi bot from india. Block them.
The4thJuliek@reddit
While I totally agree with your comments, I've noticed that you seem to always claim that the pro-Israel shills are Indian and therefore, hateful. Sure, there are some Indians doing this, but it's not only them. There are hundreds of millions of Indians who are absolutely against the Palestinian genocide and by no means have issues with Muslims.
But hey, this is Reddit so it's totally fine to be racist towards Indians and assume that they're the only pro-genocide shills here!
BufferUnderpants@reddit
Better mock and ridicule them, Zionists think their position is a dignified one, of guys suits and with gelled up hair calmly explaining on TV why they should get to genocide people. Let them make a fool of themselves here.
capt_fantastic@reddit
that's rich coming from a country that has no defined borders.
randompersononearth9@reddit
So stateless people are allowed to be wiped out? You and your country of nationalism are a joke.
Oatcake47@reddit
Map by Rand McNally commissioned by the ISA in 1940. Also like 120 nations world wide the recognise the boarders if a Palestinian state as per the 1967 lines.
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
So, a theoretical map? In 1940 it was still the British Mandate.
catch22_SA@reddit
So it's OK to genocide a group of people who don't belong to a sovereign state?
You know you should run to be chancellor of Germany.
RingSplitter69@reddit
2 minutes on google mate
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
And yet you did not provide? Not talking about the British mandate.
cmonnomorework@reddit
Nope, they beat back you genocidal invaders in 1948 and been taking terrorist land since, but hey nice beachfront gaza property!
860v2@reddit
Which nation?
Paradoxjjw@reddit
Bullshit, they threaten to nuke people they don't like all the time
cmonnomorework@reddit
Yawn, then good idea not to attack them like hamas hez iran and others did.
Or keep watching hamas eating israeli lead!
Paradoxjjw@reddit
Let me guess, you're also in favour of completely abandoning Ukraine
DrieverFlows@reddit
Selected quotes from Ben-Gurion, Israel's First Prime Minister
Fellow socialists, I've been doing some reading recently and stumbled across a variety of quotes from Israel's first prime minister, Ben-Gurion.
In here, you will find evidence that contradicts what modern Zionists and their apologists claim - such that Israelis did not displace the local people of the land, or that the displacement was not brutal. You will also find candid admittance that their resistance to the occupiers is justified. Lastly, you will see the trend of collective punishment being justified right from the start.
All from the horse's mouth.
"Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?"
“On May 13, 1947, Ben-Gurion told a meeting of the Jewish Agency Executive which was held in the United States: “We want the Land of Israel in its entirety. That was the original intention.” A week later,speaking to the Elected Assembly in Jerusalem, the leader of the Yishuv wondered: “Does anyone among us disagree that the original intention of the Balfour Declaration and the Mandate, and the original intention of the hopes harbored by generations of the Jewish people, was finally to establish a Jewish state in the whole Land of Israel?” Speaking to the Mapai Secretariat in June, Ben-Gurion stated that it would be a mistake to forgo any part of the land. ”
“If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it’s true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?”
“it is impossible to imagine general evacuation [of the Arab population] without compulsion, and brutal compulsion”
“Were I an Arab, I would rebel even more vigorously, bitterly, and desperately against the immigration that will one day turn Palestine and all its Arab residents over to Jewish rule.”
"There is no question whether a reaction is necessary or not. The only question is when and where. Blowing up a house is not enough, especially if it’s not the right one. There is a need for a brutal and firm response. We need precision in time, place and casualties. If we definitely know the family – hit without mercy, including the women and children of this family who might be there. Otherwise the reaction will not be effective. In the actual place of action, there is no need to distinguish between guilty and innocent."
Sources: - Avi Shlaim, The Politics of Partition: King Abdullah, the Zionists, and Palestine - Nur Masalha, Expulsion of the Palestinians - Shabtai Teveth, Ben-Gurion: The Burning Ground, 1886–1948
And of course Ben-Gurion himself for making these statements.
cmonnomorework@reddit
Sounds way better than hamas who scream to murder and rape everyone. Good thing so many have eaten israeli shells and are with 72 virgins now
SaulsAll@reddit
Cant wipe a nation off the map if you refuse to accept it's a nation as you wipe it off the map. *taps forehead
cmonnomorework@reddit
Maybe hamas shouldn't have invaded and murdered and raped everyone and refuses to lay down arms. Have fun watching them eat idf shells!
runsongas@reddit
they have threatened to nuke all their neighbors though in the event they lose a war in the future
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
Yes, if faced with extermination that is their final threat. Iran makes the threat proactively, not as a last ditch defense.
runsongas@reddit
iran makes an empty threat they don't have the means to carry out, israel has the means and could carry it out just like how north korea threatens to flatten seoul
aykcak@reddit
I mean they are in the process of doing it. Why nitpick if there was a threat or not?
WallyWestJest@reddit
Yeah, instead they just do the thing.
Then they lie about not doing the thing.
Then once they’ve been caught lying, that’s when they admit that they’re doing the thing.
Then they expand doing the thing to 3-5 additional countries.
smegabass@reddit
Wow. They are lies and then there are delulu comments like this.
pm_me_your_pay_slips@reddit
It has multiple times with palestine
WonderfulPackage5731@reddit
In the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Israel armed 13 nuclear weapons for deployment. Golda Meir's cabinet threatened President Nixon to resupply Isreal's depleted munitions, or they would unleash 13 nukes.
Wtf are you on about? Isreal threatens to end the world as we know it.
dezastrologu@reddit
you might want to revisit that statement
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/06/hamas-israel-hunger-war-in-gaza
https://english.elpais.com/international/2024-01-11/wipe-gaza-off-the-face-of-the-earth-the-statements-made-by-israeli-politicians-on-which-south-africa-supports-its-genocide-case.html?outputType=amp
GothicGolem29@reddit
The difference is Iran doesn't have nukes and countries are trying to stop that happening Israel already has nukes
cmonnomorework@reddit
And the entire middle east is happy iran doesn't have nukes, except the hamas crybabies of course
GothicGolem29@reddit
Yeah(and any other Iranian allied groups.)
Czart@reddit
Israel is allowed to continue theirs, because theirs has been completed. They have a nuke, that boat sailed almost 50 years ago.
geoff04@reddit
Yes, and because of that nuke they have...
Rules for thee and not for me.
Czart@reddit
And because of that nuke they play by nuclear powers rules. Same as NK, China, India, Pakistan, russia. But i don't see people whining how that's unfair.
geoff04@reddit
Let's read the title, shall we: "Israel says it pen fires on suspects in Gaza"
Oh you're right, my bad, THERE'S the mention of China, NK, India, Pakistan, Russia.
Some people are born mentally deficient, but I don't see people whining how that's unfair.
Czart@reddit
There wasn't a mention of nukes or iran in headline yet someone started talking about it. So let me repeat myself: stop bitching.
geoff04@reddit
Make me, bitch, I live in a free world.
geoff04@reddit
BAHAHAHAHAHA YOU STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT GENIUS.
You can't make this shit up.
860v2@reddit
That’s because Iran is a terrorist state. Israel isn’t.
IAMADon@reddit
Unlike the terrorist state of Iran, Israel is just a state that was founded by internationally recognised terrorist organisations and that continues to use the definition of terrorism as official military policy. /s
cmonnomorework@reddit
Oh you mean that org that fought back against the 1948 genocidal invasion of israel by 5 arab countries? Even today they making hamas eat lead so quite lovely eh?
860v2@reddit
Can you please link a source that lists Israel as a terrorist state or organization?
IAMADon@reddit
Why? I already sourced that your state was founded by terrorists, and that's all your PM needs to refer to a Palestinian state as a "terror state" as an excuse to deny their right to self determination.
If a Hamas government in a Palestinian state is a terror state, like Netanyahu claims, then Israel also remains a terror state.
860v2@reddit
Because no one cares about your views or analysis.
I personally don’t care that someone you minimizes and downplays Hamas’ actions dislikes Israel. It means less than nothing.
Chemical-Time-9143@reddit
Israel’s nuclear program was promised to them 3000 years ago
cmonnomorework@reddit
Looks like gaza land wasn't promised to hamas though ha
cdnhistorystudent@reddit
It's true, it was prophesized in 2 Opinions 3:16
cmonnomorework@reddit
And the entire middle east is happy the iranian threat is done, except the hamas in here crying haha
pyrusmurdoch@reddit
You want me to list out the direct threats made by the most level headed, duly elected leader ever, Khamenei? Leader since '89 is it? A country that's openly made nuclear threats to multiple countries and continues to enrich uranium is "too dangerous" comparatively. The fucking 80 year old despot running his country into the dirt because he hates "Zionists" is dangerous, believe it or not.
caramelizedonion92@reddit
Because the global system is structurally racist and doesn't give Palestinian lives any real importance as opposed to Israeli lives.
Israel literally commited genocide, with a global concensus from ALL relevant legal and humanitarian organisations, and the world accepts that Hamas is the one that should disarm? Instead of the apartheid state commiting genocide? It makes no logic sense, no matter how you look at it, EXCEPT if you dont consider Palestinians humans not see their lives as equal.
PushforlibertyAlways@reddit
Hamas thinks that 1 Israeli is worth about \~1000 Palestinians. This is the exchange rate they have established through previous prisoner exchanges.
caramelizedonion92@reddit
So you think it is established by unbalanced, coercive prisoner exchanges between a genocidal occupying power and the occupied, not by a literal genocide commited by Israel against Palestinians?
PushforlibertyAlways@reddit
Hamas wouldn't exchange 1 Palestinian for 1 Israeli ever. They think Israeli lives are worth more than their own.
meister2983@reddit
No it's called realpolitik
caramelizedonion92@reddit
Call it what you want, the principles upon which it is based are inherently racist. It is so painfully evident that years from now, everyone will ask themselve "how did we think this was okay" the same way we talk about feudalism and slavery.
meister2983@reddit
Probably not. Palestine is hardly a sympathetic entity even if one can have sympathy for the individuals.
caramelizedonion92@reddit
Waaay more sympathetic than the genocidal ethnostate which is trying to colonize the land and which the entire world hates now.
meister2983@reddit
Why? It's trying to do the exact same thing, only happens to me in a much weaker position leading to highly self destructive behavior.
Does the world like Palestine? Not that I can tell
caramelizedonion92@reddit
???
Palestine doesn't have an army, borders or sovereignty. They are displaced and occupied people living under military control, siege, and apartheid conditions.
Israel is an external occupying power, explicitly described as such by early Zionist leaders who called the project one of colonization. They are backed by the most powerful empire in the world.
Do you not see the power imbalance? Can you not distinguish between occupiers and occupied?
I don't know what to tell you. Look out your window? There have been millions of people around the world marching in support for Palestine. Both before and during the current genocide.
~150 of the 193 UN member states have recognized the State of Palestine.
It's the world agains the US and Israel.
meister2983@reddit
Sure, today. I'm looking at intent though. Palestine is only not the oppressor at the moment because it is weak not because it lacks intent to oppress. And why should I support a group just because it is weak?
I'm in a reasonably liberal part of America and literally see more Israel support on the streets than Palestine. Not much mind you, but Palestine is limited to college campuses and the occasional DSA booth.
Again you are talking about a change, not how things always were. Sure the global South and hardcore leftists don't like Israel. That's not a new thing.
Fact is, no one was willing to take refugees from Gaza. Palestinians in fact remain highly discriminated against even in Arab nations. And average folk in the West don't like any of the possible Palestine governments. Again easy to conflate sympathy for individuals dying and hatred for Israel as support for palestinian nationalism, but not really the same thing.
So? China is much more recognized than Taiwan, but that doesn't mean who gets military support.
Even the increasing recognition is only done to pressure Israel, not anything useful for palestine
caramelizedonion92@reddit
You live in the heart of the empire backing the genocide and you STILL see support for Palestine.
I don't really agree with any of the rest of what you said because we have fundamentally different views of what justice is and what the value of human lives is.
meister2983@reddit
Yes, the US has many political opinions and is a reasonably free society. Not sure what your point is.
Probably. I think "historical justice" is BS that leads to conflicts and it would be better if we never talked about it.
Lives? Not sure if we disagree. As I said, I have sympathy for individual Palestinians, but not their Cause (their nationalism as it is expressed)
cmonnomorework@reddit
ICC already rejected the genocide, and yep the entire world wants the mass murdering and raping hamas gone. But hey if you hamas want to continue to fight hey be my guest! Less hamas the better, keep it up!
caramelizedonion92@reddit
The entire world wants Israel gone, the entire international community sees them for what they are: an apartheid terrorist entity based on the same religious extremism they claim to fight. They know it. Everyone knows it. They are so desperate that they admit they want to buy tiktok for propaganda. Israel will never recover from this.
pyrusmurdoch@reddit
What happens if Israel disarms tomorrow. They lay down all arms, dissolve the military, what happens? Describe the series of events after that for me. Something something river - sea?
ycnz@reddit
They could head off to the countries that love them so much?
pyrusmurdoch@reddit
That's what happens? All Israelis are left to pursue their lives anyway they please? There isn't a whole sale slaughter of every Jew in left in the middle east?
You're a fucking idiot and not enough people in your life have told you that.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Lmao did you even read the article?
“The military said the suspects had crossed a boundary for an initial Israeli pullback under a U.S.-brokered ceasefire plan, in a violation of the deal.”
Laringar@reddit
And I'm sure Israel made absolutely sure that the people in the war zone with no consistent access to internet were well-informed about exactly where the invisible boundaries were that would warrant summary execution, right? And people who have lived under near-constant bombardment for months would have no reason to be a little confused?
I'm also wondering how the "warning to leave" was communicated. It is an extremely well-documented phenomenon that people in stressful situations have a very hard time following commands that are being shouted at them. It happens all the time in civilian encounters with police; the police are yelling so many things that people can barely parse what they're saying.
Living in an active war zone is orders of magnitude more stressful than just getting pulled over by the cops. Unless you have actual experience in following shouted commands from people pointing guns at you, maybe try being slightly more understanding of why it might not be entirely the fault of the victims here?
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Buddy, they drop leaflets, they hack tv and radio. Maybe you should read more. They inform people where missiles are going to hit.
blazeroman@reddit
AAAAAA ok, we taking whatever the israeli military saying as facts now, ok, those never lying honest to god folks that do no wrong
/s
sarim25@reddit
Don't worry, it is the same military that confidently used normal calendars as an excuse for Hamas, or showed 3D models of tunnels because they couldn't find the actual tunnels.
They are totally true about this situation.
NoHandBananaNo@reddit
Also claiming to find guns hidden in a hospital MRI machine room. And I can never forget the "Palestinian nurse" Israeli actress.
sarim25@reddit
Ohh yes, the brand new shiny AKs found behind a dusty dirty MRI
NoHandBananaNo@reddit
An MRI, which can't operate if there is metal in the same room.
The fake Palestinian nurse one was crazy. Apart from the accent she was claiming to be super upset about having to fix up a child's fracture without painkillers (because Hamas).
But at the time all the REAL doctors and nurses there were upset about children's AMPUTATIONS without painkillers (because IDF blockade of course). This was well known via credible medical organizationsand NGOs.
No one actually there, with children covered in 3rd/4th degree burns or with limbs that had to be amputated would have been talking about a fractured arm.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Easily verifiable there’s clear delineations in the ceasefire phases.
blazeroman@reddit
You are being hilariois when people are dying, im just along for the ride here.
No one believes israeli military, according to them they are saints. According to endless feed of dead childred and my personal experience being on the ground there.
They are far from it.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
You don’t have to believe them. There’s a multinationally monitored ceasefire plan in effect. There are lines which the Israeli military is allowed to be within and Palestinians are not. They were warned to leave and instead kept advancing, you can spin it anyway you want but it’s not the truth.
blazeroman@reddit
According to the guys that never lie they were warned.
According to anyone with common sense "oh look Palestinians let's snipe them for fun"
Your truth and the structural tries and tested truth are two different things buddy.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Lmao according to easily verifiable information. You don’t think the international community would be so quiet if Israel violated the ceasefire do you? What’s the reason for the Palestinians encroaching on the Israeli military? Is it to kidnap soldiers? To scout their defenses? You’re not being very logical
blazeroman@reddit
The same international community that could do nothing in face of a genocide? The same international community that got cucked by US veto? The same international community that couldnt get a loaf of bread in via land and opted to drop a truck load of aid using air drop for 2 million people? The same international community that got threatened for ICJ findings?
Jeeeeee idk man 😂😂😂👍
Logic went out the window for this one
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Yeah dude the unproven genocide, where the goalposts had to be moved and only 1/5 of the genocide scholars council voted, when a 2/3 majority was necessary to make a statement. Why do they need to move the goalposts if it’s so clear? You must be a super genius
blazeroman@reddit
That is just factually incorrect. And at this point you are making a strawman for the original strawman.
Do better.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
It’s not factually incorrect read the guidelines.
blazeroman@reddit
I am looking right now at IAGS recognition if genocide along with numerous NGOs, human righys groups and the united nations
You HAVE internet
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Still didn’t answer why only 1/4 of the scholars voted? And how a 2/3 majority is needed to make a statement. Why was it necessary to rush the vote and fudge the process?
blazeroman@reddit
That's factually incorrect like i said, 46% genocide, 36% major warcrimes akin to genocide.
28% took the vote while 86% SUPPORTED THE RESOLUTION
Again, factually incorrect and again a strawman for a strawman for a strawman
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
So 1/4 voted and it wasn’t unanimous? Just like I’ve been saying.
blazeroman@reddit
Now you are just being compoundly ignorant.
IAGS passes resolutions if over two thirds of voters approve and more than 20% take part in the vote. The usual range of voters for any of the resolutions is between 25 and 34%
This one has 28% participation
Over 86% approval
The 1 third thing isn't new or exclusive.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
86% of 26.8% of IAGS members. That's an effective vote of 21.4% (107 out of 500) of all members. In any political or legal bill, that would be outright rejected. It also implies that 78.6% of members didn’t feel convinced enough to even vote on the topic of labeling it a genocide. Genocide scholars don't risk calling a supposedly clear and obvious genocide, a genocide. And here you are, way smarter than all of them.
blazeroman@reddit
That is the normal range. The strawman layers continue. Again, you HAVE INTERNET 😂
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
“The association’s leadership initially promised a virtual town hall, as is customary when contentious resolutions are considered. That town hall never took place. The leadership cancelled it, silenced dissent on the association’s listserv, and refused even to disclose the names of those who drafted the text. In the world of serious scholarship, anonymity of authorship is unthinkable. Transparency is a minimum requirement. But transparency was precisely what the leadership was determined to avoid.”
Again, fudged process leads to fudged numbers. Anonymous votes and no public records of prior votes. The range is anything they want it to be, it’s not quantifiable. What is quantifiable is that 76% of experts abstained from voting, why would they do that if it’s so clearly a genocide?
blazeroman@reddit
The figure of membership who voted (28%) [on the IAGS Gaza Resolution] is within the usual range of votes received for a resolution, which falls between 25-34%.... IAGS' membership is predominantly made up of scholars/academics from a wide range of disciplines, and with experts in the fields of genocide prevention, education and punishment, such as policymakers, NGO representatives and legal professionals."
Do tell me when your selective reading ceases.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Again, the usual range isn’t public knowledge. Why did the board recently lower the requirements and allow artists and other non genocide experts a vote?
blazeroman@reddit
No no, we are not moving from this.
I followed this layer of strawman arguments for some time now which tou have used here and under dozen other posts of cocktails of isrseli atrocities to pardon ans dismiss anything they do.
The 86% approval in favor of resolution is well over threshold, come on, you can do this, take a deep breath and read.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
It’s 86% of 28% which is effective vote of 21.4% in agreement if you average it out over the 500 member body. The stats are all fudged to fit a narrative, the only info on the voting is from their statement on the release of this issue. There are no public records of prior cores, you’re looking for confirmation bias, not truth buddy. These statistics are horrible in any professional or legal field.
blazeroman@reddit
All this fudge talk is making me hungry but my hunger isn't making me forget that both the voting and approval were normal just like any other time and well over threshold.
Also 28% not 26%
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
“Bias distorts statistics by systematically leading to inaccurate or misleading results, causing the statistical conclusion to deviate from the "true" value”
blazeroman@reddit
Is this why your are defending atrocities by grasping at a straw man argument that i have disproved by showing you that this is a normal voting range?
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Strawman argument? I’ve never defended any atrocities, only advocated for the truth, which doesn’t come out without all the evidence. You’re willing to overlook inaccuracies, inconsistencies and fudged numbers, definitions and news reports. That tells me everything I need to know.
blazeroman@reddit
You are in fact grasping at a very thin straw argument in this post and many others of various isrseli atrocities. Your comment history is open pal, might wanna pull the fly up.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
You’re not so good with definitions or anything mildly intellectually. Look up what a strawman is, you attacked my point of vie instead of defending my argument of statistical inaccuracies. You jumped to me defending out atrocities for pointing out that an effective vote of 21% with 0 transparency should be questioned.
blazeroman@reddit
Soooo we ok on the IAGS 86% approval rate which is within normal range and above threshold and adopted by UN. Or you have higher authority than UN?
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
According to them this one time with 0 transparency and no public record of prior votes.
blazeroman@reddit
You are right jimmy, the IAGS is infiltrated by khamaas they forced a vote to make israel doing god's work in god's country, how unethical, how unamerican! There is no genocide, it's just a war, people die.. The 50% women and children casualties is just that, war, so is the 80% civillian casualties, it happens, i guess, between any group of armed to the teeth occupying entity against a bunch if barefoot guys with lightweapons, kitchen made rpgs and that sort.. Its just a war.
Those genocide scholars they know diddly nothings
😂👍 /s
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Nobody said that, there you go again using a strawman
blazeroman@reddit
Again, your comment history is open 😂 That's literally you bud
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Not at all, never used a strawman. Always advocated for truth, again my comment history shows I’m for a Palestinian state, just not through terrorism.
blazeroman@reddit
You advocate for truth so much that when shown that a vote was cast according to rules and passed with overwhelminf approval you proceed to make strawman arguments and conspiracy theories, ignore other points mad repeatedly about other NGOs because that's what truth seekers do.
You advocate for truth so much you got a history of going post to post on israeli atrocities and going through the exact same cycle.
You are so full of truth it's practically leaking 😂😂😂
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Again 21% effective vote, that’s not statistically viable for anything. I’m sorry you have such low standards.
blazeroman@reddit
you keep decreasing the percentage as you comment , that's hilarious .
these aren't my standards , these are the standards of the international community that waited 2 years of genocide or 70+ if we are gonna count it since the nakba , of clear intention cited by dozens of israeli officials and ministers on tv , on social media , to destroy in part or in whole the palestinian people . my bad jimmy , they should have waited until the death toll was in millions.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
21% effective rate, learn statistics before using them
blazeroman@reddit
pretty rich for the guy that cannot read that "The figure of membership who voted (28%) is within the usual range of votes received for a resolution, which falls between 25-34%. To pass, a resolution must receive at least two-thirds majority of those voting in favour, and this was well exceeded, with 86% voting in favour of the resolution."
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
As stated by them, after a rushed 1/4 attendance vote, without normal procedures and with no way to verify any other prior votes and their outcomes to actually parse what the norm is. Again, sorry you have such low intellectual standards for truth.
blazeroman@reddit
1st off, a voter turnout of 28% is not out of the ordinary for IAGS resolutions. This comes well within usual bounds, as the organization itself states that participation in previous polls has often been between 25% and 34%. The IAGS has publicly affirmed this, stating that this level of participation is in line with its long-standing custom.
2nd, the resolution received a resounding 86% of the vote, well above the two-thirds majority needed to approve. This indicates broad agreement among participating members, who are top authorities in genocide research.
third, the IAGS adheres to established internal resolution processes, such as voting procedures and notice periods. This vote does not appear to break from such standards. The claim that the process was "rushed" or irregular is unsupported and goes against what the association has said.
the resolution was issued by the world's leading scholarly group devoted to the study of genocide, whose members include historians, legal experts, and social scientists who adhere to strict academic standards. Therefore, rejecting it as lacking intellectual rigor misses this fact. Because their conclusion is based on decades of research on genocidal processes rather than political expediency, it has substantial weight.
the vote followed proper procedure, participation was typical, and the decision represented the consensus of experts—not "low intellectual standards," necessarily.
last but not least , once more , you leave your comment history open making the same argument over and over , you have the intellectual capacity of a sausage , and that's being generous.
Jotun35@reddit
Hmmm I don't think so. I kinda like sausage. But I don't think I like that guy very much.
Jotun35@reddit
You do realize that "statistically viable" is mumbo jumbo and doesn't mean anything when it comes to statistics, right? One could say "statistically significant" but that doesn't really apply to votes. Votes have rules. If the rules are respected, then the vote is valid. Period. But feel free to criticize the rules. Just leave statistics out of it.
Jotun35@reddit
"I'm only advocating for the truth. I'm just asking questions..."
Yeah... Pretty sure I've heard that tired old BS in the mouth of a certain type of people over and over again. Could you just grow a spine and admit what you are standing for sir and what are your inherent bias? Just for the sake of clarity and well... You know. Truth. I'm just asking questions.
blazeroman@reddit
86% approval is not convinced?
How far one will go to deny genocide, lol
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
The resolution was approved with 86% of the vote among members who participated. Of the association's approximately 500 members, only 28% (around 129 people) cast a ballot.
My bad it was 1/4 not 1/5.
caramelizedonion92@reddit
Israel LITERALLY commited genocide and the international community is instead asking for Hamas to disarm, not Israel.
Jotun35@reddit
Yeah I'm sure the boundary was clearly signaled and visible and not at all a made up BS line existing only the mind of a few IDF people...
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Bud, they were warned to leave and didn’t. That’s their fault. The lines matter only in the context that Palestinians weren’t in an agreed upon area. That’s it, nothing more to it.
Trip4Life@reddit
Or they crossed the ceasefire line which at that point they become belligerents. How is the IDF supposed to know whether they’re armed or not or have bb strapped to their chest
ijzerwater@reddit
how is a civilian to know where the line is exactly?
Laringar@reddit
And to drive that point home: How are civilians who live in a war zone where the infrastructure has been completely destroyed supposed to get information about the specifics of the ceasefire deal and exactly where the boundaries are? I feel like they're doing well just to know that a ceasefire was reached at all.
Israel is saying that they 'communicated that the people should turn around' (rough paraphrase), but how did they do that? Also, we're talking about civilians who quite possibly haven't seen any actual representatives of Israel in months, I think it's entirely possible that they were just trying to ask questions. If they'd been armed or had concealed weapons, Israel would have been shouting that fact from the rooftops, so that fact that that isn't happening suggests these were just regular people, probably confused from literal months of constant bombardment, trying to get by.
waiver@reddit
You can't target civilians, no matter where they are. It's surprising how the basics of humanity and international law seem to escape some pro-Israel supporters, but seriously, this should be obvious.
cmonnomorework@reddit
Hamas soldiers ain't civilians, but then again you hamas killed and raped everything you saw so I get it
layland_lyle@reddit
Stop with the fucking lies.
Those 5 crossed the yellow first stage line that Israel retreated to and Hamas and the Palestinians agreed not to cross. It was also agreed that Israel can defend themselves when anybody crosses the line.
No ceasefire broken, but Hamas broke the deal by sending people across the line.
DevA248@reddit
There are no lies in anything I said.
Israel opened fire on Palestinians killing them, as part of the broader pattern known as genocide. In order to legitimize their death, Zionists like yourself make up lies about "Hamas sent them!" and other such nonsense.
"How dare the prisoners step in the wrong place at Auschwitz!" -- You, probably, in 1943
layland_lyle@reddit
There is no genocide for starters.
A genocide the population decreases, it doesn't increase more than any EU nation. It's as stupid as saying your money got stolen but none is missing. 🤣
This is the president and top judge of the ICJ explaining that their ruling saying there was no evidence of genocide. The ICJ is the top and only valid decision in the world on the matter.
https://youtu.be/T44DebmlvNs?si=GdZV2fAMvcl0M3lo
I bet before you respond you think you know better and post some dumb link of someone with no legal expertise and that isn't even an ICJ judge saying she is wrong.
Israel have every right to open fire on insurgents as do Hamas of Israel did it.
DevA248@reddit
Oh okay, you're just a genocide denier.
Thanks for revealing yourself. We can end this conversation now.
layland_lyle@reddit
No, you are a propaganda peddler who refuses to acknowledge the authority on the matter and you a keyboard warrior, think you know better than the professionals.
You are either trolling, which is likely with the childish name calling, or beyond stupid.
You as a Jordanian, why don't you help them, and why in the Clinton deal did you refuse to have a border with the Palestinians? Why are you taking away their citizenships, considering Jordan is 82% of the former British Palestine?
DevA248@reddit
The "authority on the matter" is certainly not random internet users like yourself.
Are you a professional? No, you're not. Then I don't know what "professionals" you are speaking of.
Your comments seem to be just routine garbage hasbara. Like you're not even trying. Get gud, hasbara bot.
layland_lyle@reddit
Strawman. I never said I was the authority, I said the ICJ is.
You blatantly lying just makes you more wrong LOL
aykcak@reddit
Nobody should be dragged into this argument. It is in bad faith.
Cease fire means cease fire, not "everyone should drop their weapons. And if they have weapons we should still shoot at them".
cmonnomorework@reddit
Part of the rule is to disarm and they didn't so now they in the afterlilfe, whats hard to understand?
aykcak@reddit
Part of the rule is there wouldn't be any more killing
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
Hamas disarming was part of the plan all along.
hectorgarabit@reddit
Israel wants the extermination of the Palestinian people; they have repeated it in many occasions. The Palestinians cannot disarm. Disarming when facing a country that vowed to kill every single Palestinian is just flat out stupid and hamas are not stupid.
cmonnomorework@reddit
If they wanted extermination all 2 million would be dead, not 60k.
Since you hamas can't do math enjoy the war continuing :)
blazeroman@reddit
Hamas disarming to an elected Palestinian government, not to israel.
Think mark, think.
Monterenbas@reddit
But Hamas had opposed any elections, since they took power in Gaza, in 2025.
blazeroman@reddit
That's not factually true, it was postponed multiple times due to either conflict with israel or opposing faction fatah and most recently in 2021 by mahmoud abbas.
Monterenbas@reddit
So, they don’t oppose elections, but there’s not been a single election since they took over and started to murder and torture the PA representatives?
Riiight…
blazeroman@reddit
I wonder why they didn't just go to vote through all the bombing, so sad 😔
Monterenbas@reddit
Ah yes, the famous 20 years of uninterrupted bombing.
Poor Hamas, they so much wanted a democratic transition of power, it’s just those pesky Israelis preventing them.
komokasi@reddit
I mean Israel is an Apartheid state... with complete control of everything that goes in and out of Gaza.
They were even able to hack all the phones in gaza to play Bibi's last UN speech
So yea... its those "pesky israelis" literally preventing them. Its not like Israel bombed 3 countries in 1 week 2 or 3 weeks ago as well tonfurther distabilze the region... so pesky.
bootlickers man 🤮
Monterenbas@reddit
Evil Israel forced Hamas to monopolized all economical and political power in Gaza, while crushing any opposition party.
That’s totally how that went.
komokasi@reddit
I mean... yes thats what happened lol. Bibi literally is on record saying he helped fund them
You think israel helped fund them and did nothing else? Lol
You either have to be a bot or a completely lost soul lmao
loggy_sci@reddit
They could have held elections. Stop trying to remove agency from Hamas.
komokasi@reddit
Lol the Apartheid oppressed people are going to hold an election that is fair and not interfereed with by Israel.
Okay guy. US cant even have a fair election without gerrymandering at the minimum, and you are saying the Gazans are going to be able to just have an election. LMFAO
Israel is an Apartheid state committing a genocide that was started in 1948. Go pound sand, facts are facts, Israel is the problem.
loggy_sci@reddit
They can’t hold elections because Hamas refuses. You’re claiming Israel is stopping them but Hamas has literally never said they want to hold them but are unable because of Israel. You’re doing some serious work here defending a bunch of terrorists, just so you can make Israel seem marginally worse.
Stop getting your takes from TikTok please.
komokasi@reddit
I never said they cant hold. I said even if they did it wouldnt be a free or fair election.
Learn to read, maybe your the one watching too tiktoks
Monterenbas@reddit
Well, so if Hamas is indeed a creature of bad bad Israel, wouldn’t that make sense that they are in fact, not a democratic movement and opposed elections? As was my point.
blazeroman@reddit
reminds me , who was caught funding hamas but also the longest running israeli prime PM and a convicted war criminal , get this one right and you might win a fully paid all inclusive trip to israel and a home that totally didn't belong to any palestinians for free
loggy_sci@reddit
Qatar. Bibi just released Qatari money.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Are you not aware of how Israel (and the US) responded to the 2006 election?
Metum_Chaos@reddit
Not forced, but made it easy for Hamas
blazeroman@reddit
indeed indeed ... soo why those pesky israelis keep electing the same war criminal tho ? is it the 20 years of uninterrupted kitchen rockets or some jewish holiday that i don't know of , i mean i converted a while back so it could be something israeli exclusive
Monterenbas@reddit
Aaand there goes the whattaboutism, surprised it took you that long.
blazeroman@reddit
no no , you get down , you don't get to be on a high horse after a string of false claims you could have easily checked before commenting diarrhea online.
Monterenbas@reddit
False claim?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah–Hamas_conflict
blazeroman@reddit
you claimed that hamas prevented elections since 2005 , i replied that it's factually wrong, im the one who told you that there is conflict between hamas and fatah and elections were delayed multiple times and most recently by abbas himself , you have the comment thread , you can read , please stop being dumb on the internet .
kitti-kin@reddit
As have the Palestinian Authority. They haven't had an election in 20 years, because Abbas knows he'd lose.
Monterenbas@reddit
Abbas doesn’t control Gaza tho, only Hamas have the power to allow, or not, elections over there.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
And that's fine, but 'Hamas had opposed any elections' is factually incorrect.
Monterenbas@reddit
Pretty sure that straight up shooting at members of your opponent political party, does qualify as opposing elections.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
I'm not surprised you'd think that, but that would also be incorrect. They don't get to be your opposing MPs without having been elected to the position. Which they were. In elections. In which Hamas participated. After 2005.
Monterenbas@reddit
And I’m not surprised that you have no idea, what you’re talking about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah–Hamas_conflict
TraditionalGap1@reddit
I mean, I'm not the one going around saying Hamas doesn't participate in elections since 2005
Monterenbas@reddit
Opposed election since 2005 ≠ did not participate in the election 2005
Words are complicated, I know, try not to put your own in my mouth.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
I mean even the fact that you say they 'opposed election since 2005' tells me you have no idea about what you're talking about, since 2005 is when they decided to participate in higher level elections which they previously opposed as instruments of Oslo. They were active in lower level elections for years before 2005.
Monterenbas@reddit
Have there been a single election in Gaza since they took power?
If no, then I’ve I got a pretty good idea of what I’m talking about.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Then you should be able to explain why Hamas hasn't participated in elections since 2006
sight_ful@reddit
That's not how it works. If you said you haven't been working since 2005, that means your last job was in 2005. If they haven't had elections since 2005, that means 2005 were the last elections.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Do you not actually know when elections took place?
sight_ful@reddit
I was basing this off of your own language. You talked about how they were active in 2005 and before 2005 and said this person should have asked why they haven't had elections since 2006.
Looking into it myself, their last legislative election was 2006. Not sure why you didn't just mention that if it was your point instead of everything else.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
It separates those who know there were elections in 2006 and those who do not, because the opinions of those who do not are meaningless noise
sight_ful@reddit
Not knowing the exact date of the last palastinian election means that someone's opinions are meaningless noise? That's hilarious to me.
What's the point of conversating here at all when you belittle those around you and talk in round about ways to make your points?
TraditionalGap1@reddit
If you want to participate in a discussion about Palestinian elections and be taken seriously it helps if you actually know something about Palestinian elections, yes. it's not like there have been that many higher level elections that Hamas as participated in that it would be difficult to keep track of. There's literally a single one. It's the most basic information you could possibly have.
And if you don't have that most basic bit of knowledge, what am I supposed to conclude about your knowledge of Palestinian elections in general? How am I supposed to take anything anyone says seriously if they can't get even that correct?
You want to converse? Let's converse:
I don't understand what you're trying to say here. That's now how what works? The person claimed 'I got a pretty good idea of what I’m talking about'. If that is true, then they should be able to explain why Hamas participated in the 2006 election but not subsequent elections. There's no shortage of commentary and news articles going back well over a decade covering the various elections, how various Palestinian factions not exclusive of Hamas reacted and explanations as to why. If they can't explain that... what other conclusion is there to be reached but that they in fact do not have a pretty good idea of what they're talking about?
Then you mention 2005 no less than four times, but I don't understand what your point is. Particularly the last sentence which is factually incorrect.
Monterenbas@reddit
Because they rule with an Iron fist and oppose any elections?
TraditionalGap1@reddit
That doesn't answer why
Monterenbas@reddit
Because monopolizing power is very beneficial to them and their base and they have no interest sharing it with any other groups.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
That explains why Abbas and Fatah have avoided holding presidential elections since 2005.
Monterenbas@reddit
You mean the people that Hamas literally kicked out of Gaza?
They were the ones supposed to organized elections over there, after Hamas tried to murder them?
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Of course it doesn't make sense if you have this clownish understanding of Hamas as cartoon villains.
Monterenbas@reddit
Don’t know about cartoonish vilains but I did just watched a video of them breaking the bones of some people, and taking their sweet time whit it, and another one of them publicly executing 20 people in front of cheering crowd.
So, not sure how that would qualify for you.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Sure, they do terrible things, no dispute there. They're not nice people and that isn't my claim.
Saying 'Hamas opposes any elections' without any mention of Fatah or Israel and how those three have interacted over the last 20 years around elections is a reductive and clownish take.
I mean, I get it. Who cares about the nuances of Palestinian party politics? Who wants to be seen as 'defending terrorists'? Never mind the details.
It's still fucking clownish
Monterenbas@reddit
You’re free to argue wether they are justified/entitled to oppose elections, due to the actions of some third parties, that’s not my point.
As long as we agree that they did opposed elections.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
No, we don't.
You say 'they oppose any elections'.
I say 'they (amongst others) oppose holding some elections while not holding other elections' and 'they oppose holding elections in only some of Palestine and not all of Palestine'.
One position has nuance and one does not.
Monterenbas@reddit
So they de facto didn’t hold any elections, despite their claim to not oppose them?
TraditionalGap1@reddit
Nuance refers to a subtle difference or distinction in meaning, sound, color, or expression. It describes the finer, more delicate aspects of something that are not immediately obvious but are important for a deeper understanding.
Monterenbas@reddit
Opposed election since 2005 ≠ did not participate in the election 2005
Words are complicated, I know, try not to put your own in my mouth.
Level_Hour6480@reddit
And now that there no hostages to pretend to care aboot, they can be less careful.
cmonnomorework@reddit
Hey hamas refuses to disarm, so the war will continue of course, not sure what you expected :)
upbeatchief@reddit
I had a feeling that they bombed the areas they thiught the hostages were in to kill them.
Just so that hamas would not feel comfortable to hold on to the hostages.
That's the only rational way to justify the gaza city bombing campaign.
DEF3@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive
"Israeli newspapers including Haaretz, ABC News and the UN's Commission of Inquiry have pointed out that during the October 7 attacks the IDF ordered the Hannibal Directive to be used. The IDF was ordered to prevent "at all costs" the abduction of Israeli civilians or soldiers, possibly leading to the death of a large number of Israeli hostages.[6][7][8][9]"
The IDF sees those hostages as a liability while they're alive and they can be used propaganda when they're dead. Also I'd note that rationality doesn't seem to be a governing factor here, it's hate, propaganda, and imperialism all wrapped up into one American backed ethno-state.
cmonnomorework@reddit
So a few more hamas dead after approaching its forces not sure why anyone here is crying. Oh right
SquirtSommelier@reddit
How many Palestinians did Hamas kill in the last two days in order to “re-assert” control? Yes, they should disarm.
Not-reallyanonymous@reddit
Fighting ISIS and Al Qaeda affiliated groups…
SquirtSommelier@reddit
The CSF and local clans are not affiliated with ISIS or Al Qaeda.
And does alleged collaboration with Israel justify a death sentence? It’s not like Hamas is proving their allegations in a court of law.
waiver@reddit
Alleged Collaboration? The CSF is directly managed by the IDF and the Shin Bet
SquirtSommelier@reddit
Does the IDF and Shin Bet work with Al Qaeda and ISIS?
waiver@reddit
Seems to be the case, considering how they arm militias with ISIS and Al Qaeda connections.
SquirtSommelier@reddit
You’re out to lunch.
waiver@reddit
Which part do you disagree with: the claim that the militias have connections to ISIS and Al Qaeda, or that the IDF collaborates with them?
Not-reallyanonymous@reddit
Dughmush clan has a lot of involvement with Al Qaeda and are a violent Islamist faction. They are also the ones that kidnapped and killed the British journalist a while back and it was Hamas that hunted down and imprisoned the murderers.
The “Popular Forces” are lead by Abu Shabab. Abu Shabab, and much of the “Popular Forces” membership, are drawn from ISIS militants who fought in the Sinai.
Israel has provided air support for the first group, and they have been given access to food supplies. The latter group has been given access to food supplies, received air support, and have been financed by and supplied with weapons by Israel.
There’s not been any reporting as to CSF’s own connections to terrorist groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS, but CSF does have connections to the prior two groups, and fights alongside them. The clashes in recent weeks between Hamas and others have included all three of these groups.
What a fucking world when my country and its ally is telling me ISIS and Al Qaeda are the good guys.
HockeyHocki@reddit
Abu Shabab was never in ISIS, nor are 'much' of his membership drawn from ISIS. The ISIS ties mostly relate to cooperation with smuggling gangs operating in the Sinai
Not-reallyanonymous@reddit
Smuggling weapons for ISIS, collaborating with them, isn't a good look, regardless.
Issam Nabahin, a commander for Popular Forces, was linked to ISIS by Egyptian Intelligence and was bombing Hamas vehicles that were involved in fighting ISIS (ie. he was probably a part of operations trying to bring ISIS into Gaza). He was freed by Israel when a drone bombed his particular cell and he immediately went up to join with the "Popular Forces".
Ghassan al-Dheini, another prominent member, was another person involved with ISIS, and was one of the ones that kidnapped Alan Johnston. Somehow he escaped prison, too.
More than one media outlet has reported that people involved in Israeli Security and/or Intelligence have reported to their journalists that there are strong ties between ISIS and the "Popular Forces". Various factions of Israeli Intelligence were pissed enough at funding Popular Forces that they leaked what they were doing, which is what drew Netanyahu to admit in the first place that they were arming militants in Gaza.
HockeyHocki@reddit
They weren't smuggling weapons for ISIS...they were smuggling weapons for themselves, ISIS was simply the supplier...that's the allegation anyway. And it was mostly drugs being smuggled not weapons
Yeah there's plenty of speculation about links to ISIS but you can count on one hand the guys that had any first hand affiliation with ISIS, and that's going back years
Not-reallyanonymous@reddit
"Hey, don't worry about that, it was just a little dealing with ISIS. No big deal." That's the energy here. It's not a good look.
We have specific reports about the most notorious members that we can count on our hands. We don't have specific detail about rank and file other than what Israeli intelligence has said anonymously about strong ties. It could be far more than just a handful of particular guys that were involved. A lot of them are reputedly people with prior militant experience and who were jailed by Hamas. Connecting the dots, and knowing that Hamas has been sustaining operations against Islamist Militants for decades now, it's a bad look for "Popular Forces".
But here you are, really trying to minimize how bad ties to ISIS are.
HockeyHocki@reddit
Hey it was you that claimed 'much' of their ranks came from ISIS with zero evidence to back that up, 100% unfounded speculation. It's not me minimizing anything, it you exaggerating a tenuous link at best
Not-reallyanonymous@reddit
I stated stuff specific enough that 30 seconds of googling will get you to reputable news outlets that reported on them. And I encourage any reader of my comments to do their due diligence and research my claims to their own satisfaction. The reader who researches will find that my claims do have evidence (in some cases, the precise evidence I claimed, such as Israeli Intelligence leakers) and are not just unfounded speculation.
HockeyHocki@reddit
Due diligence? Dude you falsely claimed the leader himself was an ISIS member, you forget that's why we're having this arguement in the first place
Not-reallyanonymous@reddit
Yeah, I'd consider arms smuggling with ISIS, and other collaborations like bombing Hamas vehicles involved in anti-ISIS operations, to be a part of being drawn from the ISIS militancy.
Jotun35@reddit
Not surprising. Israel is preparing its next enemy to justify its genocidal plan. Once Hamas is gone, a new group will be presented as the new danger. Once that one is vanquished, another one will be armed, rinse and repeat until there is not a single Plastesinian on their soil.
dova_kinn@reddit
yes, all collaborators with a genocidal regime deserve the same faith, Hamas is currently taking out the garbage.
SquirtSommelier@reddit
How do you know they’re collaborators?
MaestroRozen@reddit
Hamas said so, obviously, and their word is gospel on this sub.
Waldoh@reddit
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-netanyahu-arming-gangs-gaza-clans-activated/
SquirtSommelier@reddit
Notice how I didn’t mention the Popular Support Forces, which have been alleged to be affiliated with ISIS…….
Waldoh@reddit
Do you think the popular forces aren't a local clan or something?
SquirtSommelier@reddit
The Popular Forces of Palestine are not considered a local clan by regional IR scholars and governments, AFAIK. My knowledge on this matter isn’t particularly strong, and I’m reading more on this to get a better picture.
The Popular Forces are a political-military organization that’s politically and ideologically motivated and linked by Salafi Jihadism. I see that they derive most of their leadership from established clans.
Clans in Palestinian society (like the Dughmush) maintain armed militias and take part in organized crime and drug dealing. But they also play an influential role in local social, economic, and political life by enforcing order, taking part in commerce, and mediating disputes.
https://www.brandeis.edu/crown/publications/middle-east-briefs/pdfs/1-100/meb26.pdf
https://ecfr.eu/special/mapping_palestinian_politics/tribes-and-clans/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
Waldoh@reddit
Did you have an LLM write this bullshit for you?
From your second link
Please stop using chatGPT to do your research.
SquirtSommelier@reddit
"The Popular Forces are a political-military organization that’s politically and ideologically motivated and linked by Salafi Jihadism. I see that they derive most of their leadership from established clans."
I literally said the exact thing you just said.
Waldoh@reddit
Your own link considered the popular forces a clan
I don't know why you just don't take the L.and move on
SquirtSommelier@reddit
I don’t know why you’re being so pedantic about the reference I provided. The Popular Forces are listed in the ARMED GROUPS section anyhow.
Reading comprehension is not that difficult, I promise. Keep at it, and one day you might be actually be decent at it.
Waldoh@reddit
Clans are armed
The arrogance genocide supporters have is wild
SquirtSommelier@reddit
The police in any jurisdiction are armed - would you consider them a clan? Context matters.
Waldoh@reddit
Are the police primarily all from the same CLAN?
Jotun35@reddit
Does alleged collaboration with Hamas justify a death sentence? According to Israel, yes.
Metum_Chaos@reddit
If Israeli collaboration with Hamas would justify a death sentence, then yeah, it should.
SquirtSommelier@reddit
Yeah man, that’s totally normal and rational.
And I’m sure a solid group of dudes like Hamas is going through great pains to make sure that those collaboration claims are irrefutable.
TubercuLicious-OO-@reddit
Had to look up the reporting on this...
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-deploys-fighters-hostages-released-show-strength-2025-10-13/
https://www.trtworld.com/article/c5ac2ca8bf3f
5wmotor@reddit
Hamas just told they deployed 7000 men into Gaza to keep control of the populace.
5wmotor@reddit
Hamas just told they deployed 7000 armed men into Gaza to keep control of the populace.
Edit:
Trump deploys militias against his people = Boo, fascism.
Hamas deploys militias against their people = hooray, freedom fighters.
You guys in here are nuts. Fuck fascism.
Agasthenes@reddit
"sich killed" aka genocide, lmao
DevA248@reddit
Randomly executing people is part of genocide, yes.
Germany has a lot of history in this regard.
xland44@reddit
It's interesting you say this as Hamas is in the middle of executing dozens of Palestinians and executed many of the hostages it held.
Are you claiming that Hamas is committing genocide against Palestinians and Israelis?
DevA248@reddit
If you're going to peddle misinformation about "Hamas executed hostages," frankly you're not worth engaging with.
Back up your sensational claims with evidence, or don't make them
xland44@reddit
Are you living in a cave? Just as one case out of many, there were multiple hostages they shot at point blank from behind, with their reason being to send a "warning" to the IDF.
It was later revealed that Goldberg-Polin and five other hostages with him were executed by Hamas.[4] His autopsy indicated he was likely shot from "close range" 1–2 days before his body was found.[5]
Now, kindly retract your comment sensationally claiming I'm peddling information, or frankly you're not worth engaging with.
DevA248@reddit
No, I live in the real world. I don't consume IDF propaganda.
For example, I don't believe random "autopsy reports" based on "Israel says...". Colonial regimes are serial liars.
xland44@reddit
No need to trust Israel, you have your lord and savior proudly admitting to it a week prior
DevA248@reddit
Hamas are not anyone's "lord and savior" lmao. Funny how Zionists demand that everyone believe their baseless colonial propaganda, otherwise they automatically love Hamas.
As usual, you have absolutely zero evidence of Hamas executing hostages. Not a shred.
So go back to the drawing board please, and try pulling more lies out of your hat.
xland44@reddit
Ah, you're one of those. Let me guess, you also don't believe any sexual assault occurred on October 7th unless if you personally see a video uploaded to P*rnhub for your viewing pleasure?
DevA248@reddit
Why do you keep trying to change the subject?
I'm going to continue to focus on the lie you already made. I will hone in on that false claim, that claim specifically, until you can admit that it was a lie. Until you do that, I will not discuss any other thing, and all your propagandist's teeth can bite at the hard rocks of reality.
Namely, your claim that Hamas executed Israeli hostages. The sole and entire report for such a claim tracks to the Abu Kabir Forensic Institute, which people can read about here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Kabir_Forensic_Institute
https://mondoweiss.net/2025/02/a-brief-history-of-israels-theft-and-trafficking-of-palestinian-organs/
Abu Kabir is a forensic institute named after the Palestinian village which was erased underneath it. The institute has a history of organ trafficking and organ theft, but not only that -- it has long been accused of falsifying reports for political purposes.
This institute is also the sole institute in all of Israel authorized to produce autopsies for so-called terror attacks.
It was the source of the infamous "beheaded babies" claim in Israeli media, which circulated in Western press. This claim was made by the chief forensic pathologist at the Abu Kabir Institute. This same chief pathologist has acknowledged on record that Israel has pressured him to falsify results in the past.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-04-07/ty-article/.premium/israels-chief-of-forensic-institute-says-state-prosecution-influences-testimonies/00000180-5bb2-dc66-a392-7ffb335d0000
This evidence suggests not only that the Abu Kabir Institute is an unreliable source, but that is actually a naked operation to launder Israeli propaganda. Beheaded babies, "autopsy reports" of executed hostages, all trace back here.
All things considered, I would never trust a lying, organ trafficking, settler colonial regime and its official institutes to report the truth.
https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/5982/Int%E2%80%99l-committee-must-investigate-Israel%E2%80%99s-holding-of-dead-bodies-in-Gaza%E2%80%8B
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
There’s videos of Hamas executing people who would have been hostages if they weren’t killed first. You’re delusional bro. They weren’t captured, but they were still executed. The women raped in captivity too.
DevA248@reddit
Videos of Hamas executing hostages? Show them. I'm not interested in anything else.
You haven't got a single scrap of evidence. You just spew lies like clockwork. Classic Zionazi.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Read again, rub your two brain cells together harder. They executed people who would have been hostages, had they not been executed. Lots of videos from nova and the kibbutz’ to back this claim.
DevA248@reddit
I'm the only one with a brain here, clearly.
We are focusing on the claim that Hamas executed hostages. There is still no evidence for that claim. None whatsoever. Only, Zionists love to spread propaganda and think they are entitled to be listened to.
So you can stop being a crybaby about the "nova and kibbutz". Frankly, I couldn't care less.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
And I’m asking why it’s different if they executed them instead of taking them hostage? Since the hostages came from the same places that the executed individuals did. It’s better since they weren’t captive first? Or what? You explain since you’re so smart
DevA248@reddit
I'm not interested in rehashing what happened on October 7, 2023.
This conversation is about the claim that Hamas executes hostages and I have been adamant that I will not get sidetracked by unrelated hasbara
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Buddy, hostages died in captivity, they were raped too
DevA248@reddit
Yep, another claim without evidence. You Zionists just seem to rely on a strategy of making as many lies as possible, and hoping that some of them are believed.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
There’s plenty of evidence, you’re talking to me on an internet connected device, use it.
DevA248@reddit
There's no evidence whatsoever. Your "There's plenty of evidence" claim is another example of the Goebbels-like strategy of mass lies and hoping that some of them are believed.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
I just linked you a UN report that states hostages were subjected to violence, and the reports of 6 hostages shot right before being rescued in a tunnel.
DevA248@reddit
Did you provide any evidence for the claim that hostages were raped?
No. Provide that evidence. Go on, I dare you.
Did you provide any evidence that hostages were shot by Hamas? No. You just repeated what the IDF spokesperson said. Like who cares what the dumbass IDF says.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Again, so you want a pornhub of a hostage being raped? Or do you just not believe UN medical examinations and victims?
DevA248@reddit
If you had any evidence, you could have provided it.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
I did, you didn’t bother to read it, just dismissed it
DevA248@reddit
Fake news. Pick another lie and try again. We know Zionists lie like they breathe.
loggy_sci@reddit
You are war crimes denier and terrorist apologist. Go watch Oct 7th footage and stop getting all of your sophomoric anti-capitalist takes from TikTok. It’s vapid and boring and obvious.
DevA248@reddit
Blah blah blah.
You are a genocidal Zionist and there is absolutely none of your empty, slimy criticism that can dare to touch me.
Go back to the bot farm and try again.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1mz8gxzg82o
“However, a UN mission concluded in March 2024 that there were "reasonable grounds" to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred during the 7 October attack in multiple locations, including rape and gang rape, and that there was "convincing information" that hostages had been subjected to sexual violence, including rape and sexualised torture”
“In a joint IDF-ISA Spokespersons announcement, it was released that on 6 April 2024 Security forces located and returned to Israel from Khan Yunis in the Gaza Strip the body of hostage Elad Katzir who was murdered in captivity by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. “
“On 31 August 2024, IDF Spokesperson Daniel Hagari announced that six Israeli hostages held in captivity in Gaza had been brutally murdered and their bodies returned by IDF forces to Israel: Ori Danino, 25, of Jerusalem; Alexander Lobanov, 32, of Ashkelon; Almog Sarusi, 27, of Ra’anana; Hersh Goldberg-Polin, 23, of Jerusalem; Carmel Gat, 40, of Tel Aviv; Eden Yerushalmi, 24, of Tel Aviv.”
https://www.gov.il/en/pages/hostages-and-missing-persons-report
DevA248@reddit
Okay, if you think there's "convincing information" and "reasonable grounds," show me that convincing information and reasonable grounds.
If, on the other hand, you have no such evidence, then we can write it off as yet another colonial lie.
"IDF says... IDF Spokesperson Hagari says..." Who cares. Womp womp.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Ok so throw out all the ICC and ICJ cases and the arrest warrants, those are all built on “reasonable grounds”
loggy_sci@reddit
Dude this guy is here to fight and troll and will never believe or hear anything that goes against his pre-determined view that Hamas are angels and Jews are evil.
DevA248@reddit
Nope, not what we're talking about.
Looks like you concede defeat. Pretty classic for a Zionist to throw lies at the wall, hoping they stick.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
You lowered the bar bud, you’re trying to make an argument by ignoring everything pertinent and by your own rules. Good luck with that, that’s called searching for confirmation bias.
DevA248@reddit
I didn't ignore everything.
You made multiple claims with no evidence hoping that you would be believed. In the end, you were unable to produce any evidence.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
“Thirteen women and two men who survived captivity by Hamas said they experienced or witnessed sexual violence while held hostage in Gaza, according to a new report by a group of Israeli researchers known as the Dinah Project.”
https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/08/middleeast/hostages-gaza-sexual-violence-report-hamas-latam-intl
“A senior United Nations official found “clear and convincing” information that hostages have been raped and sexually abused in Gaza and “reasonable grounds” to believe sexual violence, including rape and gang rape, occurred during the Oct. 7 terrorist attack led by Hamas.
“Based on the information it gathered, the mission team found clear and convincing information that sexual violence, including rape, sexualized torture, cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment has been committed against hostages," the U.N. said in a report, adding that it "has reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may be ongoing against those still held in captivity.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna141789
DevA248@reddit
Hooray! You buckled under the pressure and are trying another attempt. Let's review the evidence.
15 Israeli captives "said they witnessed or experienced sexual violence." Okay. Nothing about rape, and nothing conclusive here.
"A senior UN official found 'clear and convincing' information, and 'reasonable grounds' "
Okay, let's see that clear and convincing information. Let's see, what are those reasonable grounds?
"clear and convincing information... reasonable grounds"
Great, I'm not denying that they are claiming this. Let's see the evidence behind their claims.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
“There are "reasonable grounds" to believe that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, the UN Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territories said on Tuesday. “
So no genocide? Since it’s just reasonable grounds?
DevA248@reddit
Reasonable grounds are made on the basis of other evidence.
I accept that you concede defeat and are now switching topics because you utterly failed at spreading your lies. Looks like your hasbara salary for today will be reduced.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Again, no argument. You’re using “reasonable grounds” as some inadmissible thing. This is your own logic used against you. I’m glad you can’t do anything other than make ad hominem attacks, what’s your counter? Reasonable grounds aren’t valid to you, ergo the genocide case isn’t, as it’s built under the same legal pretext.
DevA248@reddit
"Reasonable grounds" are not an argument I have made anywhere.
But I find it funny that you are trying to change the subject and think you will get away with it. How does it feel to be a serial liar? Go back to the bot farm, you lying Zionist.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Again, do you want rape videos? You’re willing to accept reasonable grounds for the UNs genocide argument but not for their argument that Hamas committed sexual violence. You’re being disingenuous.
DevA248@reddit
Wrong, I don't accept "reasonable grounds" for anything. You made that up and are trying to create a distraction.
You have no evidence and are flailing about helplessly, trying to grasp at straws. Go on. Admit that you were lying this whole time. We went through a dozen comments and not a single piece of evidence to support your claims.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
I didn’t make it up, you said reasonable grounds aren’t reasonable to you. That’s on you. I used other cases of reasonable grounds to show you how silly of an argument you’re making.
Beatboxingg@reddit
You've been crying and screaming like a toddler lol please keep embarrasing yourself, 🤡
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
What do you think sexual violence is? Again you’re a dogmatic bot. No critical thinking, just a wave of the hand debunks everything for you.
loggy_sci@reddit
It’s not unbelievable that they would do the thing they said they would do.
CricketJamSession@reddit
Only because you didn't care enough to check the reason doesn't mean its randomly
Ala117@reddit
oh we already know the one worded reason, it's always khamas.
CricketJamSession@reddit
Its clear rules not to get close to soldiers and definitively not taunting and coming back again after warning shots
It could have been easily avoided
Ala117@reddit
how's that murder boot taste buddy?
CricketJamSession@reddit
The way you clowns hate facts that ruin your narrative its hilarious
Ala117@reddit
justifying murdering people is "facts" and hilarious to you?
CricketJamSession@reddit
Its hilarious how you use the typical tactic of diverting from your oirignal claim after being called out for BS
Ala117@reddit
you called only yourself out murder enjoyer.
Agasthenes@reddit
My god no that's not genocide. That's state terror, murder or a number of other words.
Have you never opened a dictionary?
bullhead2007@reddit
Well you Germans are nothing if not consistent.
loggy_sci@reddit
You’re too cowardly to put your county as flair but will insult others? Too soft.
bullhead2007@reddit
Lol, I'm in the United Stated of Burger Reich.
Agasthenes@reddit
Nothing more consistent than casual racism when complaining about supposed genocide.
blazeroman@reddit
You know for a german, you should probably know better.
Also for a german, this is very low effort
loggy_sci@reddit
You’re too cowardly to put your county as flair but will insult others? Weak.
MrCharmingTaintman@reddit
Last time I checked there was an ongoing genocide. So these people killed could be considered victims of that. Unless there’s requirements I’m not aware of.
PartySr@reddit
Germans helped Russia invade Ukraine, and now they're helping another country kill people in another country. I'm glad that you're proud of your accomplishment.
860v2@reddit
This isn’t genocide.
johnfkngzoidberg@reddit
Didn’t Trump just take credit for negotiating peace in Gaza?
jimmycarr1@reddit
The war is over!
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
The article clearly says they crossed the predefined border for Israeli withdrawal. And it's not like Hamas wear uniforms for anyone to distinguish who's who
Isosceles_Kramer79@reddit
Do you guys also care that Hamas is killing Gazans in the streets?
sarim25@reddit
That's what they are also doing in Lebanon. Israel has been bombing Lebanon consistently even tho there is a ceasefire active.
This is how Israel will stay in Gaza. By constantly breaking the ceasefire and crying victim.
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
Hezbollah was supposed to be disarmed as part of the ceasefire. So don't talk about breaches till that happens 🤷
Sad-Broccoli@reddit
Israel should be disarmed.
860v2@reddit
If Israel disarms, your boys in Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. will just invade and kill every Jew. They’ve openly stated that that’s their goal.
Sad-Broccoli@reddit
That shit doesn't work on anyone anymore. Not only is it complete bullshit, but Israel is so vile and psychotic that no one cares what happens to Israel. Notice how I said Israel and not Jewish people. They're fine.
Fuck off with your projection. That's ISRAEL'S stated goal about everyone else around them and they are actually doing that and have always done that. It's not hypothetical bullshit victimhood, it's reality.
860v2@reddit
Hamas’ charters say otherwise.
If that was their goal then they would have never entered peace agreements with Egypt or Jordan.
Sad-Broccoli@reddit
From the original 1988 charter:
And from the 2017 revised charter:
860v2@reddit
Now do the part about killing Jews and destroying Israel.
Sad-Broccoli@reddit
Since you seem to have trouble with reading comprehension...
Also fuck isræl. You're not a victim
860v2@reddit
Since you’re refusing, I’ll just do it for you:
October 7th contradicts everything you’re claiming.
xland44@reddit
If that'll ever agreed to, sure. For now let's focus on Hamas and Hezbollah holding up to their ends of what's already been agreed to, which they have yet to do.
upbeatchief@reddit
The west bank disarmed, why are rhe israeli continue to steal it's land?
Sad-Broccoli@reddit
Exactly. They have no answer to this. "B-because they're terrorists!" They know it doesn't matter if they disarm and there's nothing Palestinians could ever do that would allow Israel to let them live in peace. They will continuously move the goal post to justify killing them.
Ok-Call-4805@reddit
If I had Israel as a neighbor I'd never disarm
860v2@reddit
That’s why they keep getting exploded. 😂
ebola_kid@reddit
Why do you Germans love genocide so much
FeijoadaAceitavel@reddit
No, a part of Lebanon was supposed to be disarmed, and it was. Israel keeps bombing it anyway.
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
That's blatantly incorrect. Even since the 2006 war between Israel and Hezbollah, Hezbollah was to be disarmed. Which still hasn't. So go lie somewhere else
pm_me_your_pay_slips@reddit
Why do you keep lying?
HourEast5496@reddit
They're german, advocating for another holocaust, what do you expect from them?
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
You inability to read isn't a lie, cupcake. Find a school that isn't run from behind a village barn yard and try again
Laughing_Man_Returns@reddit
he is a bit brown about it.
meister2983@reddit
There's no active ceasefire. It expired in February
Monterenbas@reddit
Have lebanon respected the agreed terms of the cease fire? Notably removing Hezbollah operatives from the border?
Monterenbas@reddit
Have lebanon respected the agreed upon terms of the ceasefire? Notably removing Hezbollah operatives from the southern border?
Or do they expected Israel to unilateraly respect the ceasefire while not abiding to their own obligations?
upbeatchief@reddit
Maybe israel shouldn't bomb a civilian vehicle and kill a family in it. Or prove they are argueing in good faith and not itching to jump on you the moment you are weak. Like how they invaded syria.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_invasion_of_Syria_(2024%E2%80%93present)
Nobody wants to be another syria or west bank so they don't lay down their arms
Monterenbas@reddit
And that’s absolutely fine, they just can’t complain about Israel violating the ceasefire, if they are themselves violating it.
upbeatchief@reddit
Oh yes we can complain about israeli forces targeting civilians, or targeting hospitals or water treatment plants, or...
The enemies of israel not surrendering doesn't give israel carte blanche to kill anyone and everyone.
Monterenbas@reddit
Ok, cool story, but totally irrelevant to the point being made here, wich is the agreement signed and agreed upon, between both Israel and Hezbollah.
waiver@reddit
That's not how it works, there's a mechanism in place for Israel to raise complaints if Hezbollah fails to uphold part of the ceasefire. They definitely have no justification to bomb Lebanon.
upbeatchief@reddit
Yet we see that the west bank completely didarmed, and the israelis are still straling their land.
Israel is hotile to neighboring nations and eant to steal land.
Otherwise they wouldn't invad syria.
Monterenbas@reddit
Ok, that’s cool and all.
And again, it’s perfectly fine for Hezbollah to not abide by the treaty they’ve signed with Israel, I’m not even criticizing that, maybe that’s the rational thing to do, but in return they can’t realisticaly expect Israel to unilateraly abide to their part of the treaty. It takes two to Tango.
upbeatchief@reddit
I hold israel to not standered of not killing civilians and not instigate conflict. Ine they love to drag civilians into.
Hezbollah didn't fire a single bullet at israeli forces still in Lebanon.
Monterenbas@reddit
What you hold them to, no offense, is kinda irrelevant here, it’s the terms that they’ve signed with Hezbollah that matters.
Yes, Hezbollah didn’t fired any bullet, but the terms of the ceasefire, again, wich Hezbollah agreed to, are much more emcompasing than that, with notably the removal of their forces from the israeli border area.
upbeatchief@reddit
Sonwhat do you think israel and Hezbollah do from now on?
Monterenbas@reddit
Well either they both respect the terms, they mutually agreed upon, or go back to low intensity warfare.
Not-reallyanonymous@reddit
Israel really be like, "I Am Altering the Deal, Pray I Don’t Alter It Any Further."
sarim25@reddit
It's like an abusive neighborhood bully and no one can say no to them.
Not-reallyanonymous@reddit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D8TEJtQRhw
Or Darth Vader.
xland44@reddit
Tl;dr:
TheHeroYouNeed247@reddit
And so it begins again.
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
What part of crossing an agreed boundary is ok?
RainbeauxBull@reddit
Do you fucking hear yourself???
Do you have some proof they even crossed the damn boundary to begin with?
860v2@reddit
Do you have proof that they didn’t?
RainbeauxBull@reddit
I don't need to provide proof. I have never murdered anybody before unlike the lying ass IDF.
Nobody with any sense just takes their word for , just based on the previous behavior.
Provide proof or this is simply yet ANOTHER case of them murdering people in cold blood
860v2@reddit
I’ll just take that as a “no”. Thanks for confirming.
RainbeauxBull@reddit
I'll take that as a no that you don't have proof.
Thanks for confirming
860v2@reddit
You tried. Hold this
Adjective_Noun1312@reddit
IDF claiming they did is as good as proof they didn't in my books.
860v2@reddit
Ok, so you don’t have anything. Thanks for confirming.
MultiversalTraveler@reddit
What part of crossing a boundary “that was previously their own land” is punishable by death?
860v2@reddit
This part.
xland44@reddit
Shhh, don't burst their echo chamber.
Of course, if it was a single Israeli soldier accidentally crossing the boundary you'd see everyone here shouting ""I GUESS ISRAEL DOESN'T WANT PEACE, KILL THE ZIONIST""
KaiBahamut@reddit
If you want that kind of grace for the IDF, maybe they should show that kind of grace.
xland44@reddit
I actually don't! I would much rather we stick to the agreement both sides agreed to.
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
They didn't read this part. Headlines are enough. Now everyone will go around saying Israel breached the ceasefire, that's how it works with this lol
RainbeauxBull@reddit
I read it. I'm not sure why we're automatically supposed to trust idf.
Let's start there
dummypod@reddit
Business as usual for apartheid enforcers
cmonnomorework@reddit
You mean hamas dying as usual after fucking around
dummypod@reddit
The apartheid has been around longer than Hamas
cmonnomorework@reddit
True the entire middle east is apartheid, and kills lgbtq and women and atheists while Israel is the only progressive country there. Oh and great and eliminating terrorists ;)
dummypod@reddit
Funny how you say this but per the UN Israel is the only apartheid in the middle east. Thank you random guy for saying stupid things.
cmonnomorework@reddit
And per the UN hamas is genocidal terrorists which the IDF is doing a marvelous job of destroying.
Thank you hamas for showing you have time to reddit instead of searching for food
shaftofbread@reddit
No no! The Cheeto Benito promised that this will be a "Strong, Durable, and Everlasting Peace"... The Mango Mussolini would never lie to us... right? right?
cmonnomorework@reddit
Well if you hamas insist on not disarming as per agreement, expect idf shells :)
Onuus@reddit
That was quick
upbeatchief@reddit
The second they got their hostages.
Poor hasbara will lose their too argument, "just give the hostages back". And are left with "why wont hamas disarm"
cmonnomorework@reddit
Yep, no disarm, no war ending per the agreement. Maybe hamas fanboys can't read hahaha
cmonnomorework@reddit
You mean hamas dying as usual after fucking around
Successful-Bobcat701@reddit
It never really ended.
gnocchiGuili@reddit
Here is an interview where an Israeli soldier explains that they have an imaginary line that moves at random times and that they do not communicate to civilians. They shoot anyone that crosses it. This is the same thing again.
xland44@reddit
It isn't, for the simple reason that this is a ceasefire agreed with Hamas, with clearly defined lines Hamas and the IDF agreed to.
Hamas knows what it's doing. Just 6 days ago they sent 5 of its members to attack an IDF outpost -- after the ceasefire was agreed upon but before entering into effect -- in an attempt to kidnap a soldier. Source
Quantum_Aurora@reddit
So if a civilian crosses this line, do the soldiers tell them they crossed the line and need to turn back, or do they just execute them on the spot?
xland44@reddit
Outside of active conflict, IDF rules of engagement require shouting a warning, followed by a warning shot 60 degrees in the air if they continue to advance, followed by shooting towards the legs if they continue to advance.
In an actice warzone such as in the current conflict and inside Gaza, where Hamas often attacks armed with guns in civillian clothing, or comes up extremely close with tunnels? Yes, in such cases the RoE permits firing if it's outside of a humanitarian safe zone.
Quantum_Aurora@reddit
Palestinians are allowed to move freely through half the strip now and are not just confined to specific safe zones anymore. It shouldn't be surprising to see them at the borders of the zone.
Did the IDF follow their rules of engagement in this instance? If they are indeed what you list, they have a long history of breaking those rules.
Borealisss@reddit
They hunt them for sport. Like they've always done.
DanDan1993@reddit
Are you compering fog of war in urban warfare against a guerrilla tactic, to established lines in the map agreed upon in a ceasefire?
ShmoodyNo@reddit
“Suspects”
It’s insane how much the Palestinian people have been dehumanized. At least 6 lives extinguished and for what?
ChainExtremeus@reddit
At the same time, Hamas is making public executions. Guess they are also have an itch to shed more Gazan blood?
FederalSandwich1854@reddit
I saw a video of a Ukranian shooting TCC officers, by that logic Russia is allowed to continue bombing Kiev
ChainExtremeus@reddit
I was not talking about the conflict. Only that you seem to be missing real reason why it is happening, and who is the enemy of both israeli and palestinian people.
FederalSandwich1854@reddit
It's still not making sense. If Russia started paying Ukrainians to turn on the Ukranian state/military, then Ukraine is not allowed to punish the traitors?
I mean it complicates it even more since the Russia Ukraine war was an civil war at first
ChainExtremeus@reddit
It was never a civil war. Russia is the agressor state. Just like Palestine, they simply can't live without trying to murder someone who lives close to them.
xland44@reddit
Just 6 days ago Hamas attempted a raid on an IDF army post, attempting to kidnap a soldier. They sent 5 gunmen, and after 3 were killed Hamas admitted to it a day later.
Source
But sure, go ahead and claim it's "dehumanization". There's a reason the ceasefire has clearly defined stages and zones, and it's exactly to avoid situations like this.
FederalSandwich1854@reddit
1) so Hamas directly attacks IDF military.. yet the IDF attacks civilians
2) why are you bringing up something from 6 days ago?
Omergad_Geddidov@reddit
The ceasefire (in effect on October 10th) wasn’t in effect when that raid happened on October 8th.
vikster16@reddit
So you’re saying that Israel is doing things that are just as bad as what a terrorist organization is doing right. There’s no what about Hamas here. Hamas is a fucking terrorist organization, if you’re justification for genocide is look Hamas did that so we’re doing the same shit. That just makes Israel another terrorist state.
ShmoodyNo@reddit
Here comes the laundering.
You are equating an militant raid prior to the ceasefire with some “boundary” being crossed that isn’t even demarcated on the ground. You also bold the word “admission” as though there was some obscurity as to it being an attack.
While here there is zero indication of an attack - even the IDF refrained from calling it that, yet we know there was a massacre of several Palestinians.
AFloppyZipper@reddit
Yeah but what if I type the word "genocide" and pretend to be virtuous and good?
This is animetitties so checkmate 🤡
omar2205@reddit
Do these suspects know that boundary line?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/09/the-gaza-family-torn-apart-by-idf-snipers-from-chicago-and-munich
Just-another-weapon@reddit
Unfortunately this is classic 'ceasefire' behaviour from Israel.
The ceasefire earlier this year saw Israel violating it hundreds of times resulting in the deaths of over 100 people.
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
Unfortunately this is classic ceasefire behaviour from Palestinians. There's a border to which Israel has withdrawn to do don't cross it if you don't wanna get shot. It's literally the 4 th line in the article
pm_me_your_pay_slips@reddit
That line changes everyday without ever telling Palestinians where the line is. The IDF has repeatedly established kill zones without informing Palestinians where these kill zones are.
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
So don't go near it
pm_me_your_pay_slips@reddit
How would a Palestinian know, if the IDF doesn’t tell them before deciding where the new kill zones are?
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
The IDF tells them. You know, leaflets and all. This whole thing could be avoided if Hamas wore uniforms and didn't use plain clothes suicide bombers. Either way, no way IDF is risking their life in any way 🤷
pm_me_your_pay_slips@reddit
They don’t always drop leaflets or tell Palestinians before they start shooting:
https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-soldier-describes-arbitrary-killing-of-civilians-in-gaza-13393422
"In one of the houses that we had been in, we had the big territory. This was the closest to the citizens' neighbourhood, with people inside. And there's an imaginary line that they tell us all the Gazan people know it, and that they know they are not allowed to pass it," he said. "But how can they know?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/07/israel-military-gaza-perimeter-land-testimony-report
How Palestinians would know they were crossing an invisible line was not made clear to them, the soldiers said. “How they know is a really good question. Enough people died or got injured crossing that line, so they don’t go near it.”
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
Again, there's a border, the IDF is present behind that border, leaflets are dropped, so stay away. Pretty simple.
And maybe think of putting on a uniform and not do suicide bombings, then we can talk about distinguishing civilians and fights. Untill then, IDF life is waaaaaay more expensive and important. No chance we're risking that 🫶
pm_me_your_pay_slips@reddit
It’s simple, the IDF doesn’t always tell people where the kill zones are before they start shooting.
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
Its even simpler - there's a border, the IDF is present behind that border, leaflets are dropped, so stay away.
And maybe think of putting on a uniform and not do suicide bombings, then we can talk about distinguishing civilians and fights. Untill then, IDF life is waaaaaay more expensive and important. No chance we're risking that 🫶
pm_me_your_pay_slips@reddit
I get it, the only good Palestinian to you is a dead one. Israel is never going to be safe until Palestinians aren’t just not there.
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
Hamas *
pm_me_your_pay_slips@reddit
That’s what you say, but every civilian killed has been justified as a potential hamas member (when they are tall males) or a supporter (when they’re women, children or elderly). You don’t even need to say “they may have suicide vests!”
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
Not really, civilian causality ratios are well admitted 😂
Gender_is_a_Fluid@reddit
Genocide apologist.
EH1987@reddit
What gave you that impression? Germany has been cheerleading this genocide for two years.
Gender_is_a_Fluid@reddit
Because of german policies towards the holocaust and learning about it is mandatory in school. I’d think people taught on the subject would have a better chance of recognizing it elsewhere.
DevA248@reddit
Germany's legacy predates the Nazis. Their colonial treatment of the Hereros (genocide in Namibia) foreshadowed the Holocaust.
In my opinion, they never critically reckoned with that past.
Adjective_Noun1312@reddit
Germans are taught that genocide isn't genocide unless it's against Jews.
NoHandBananaNo@reddit
Youd think so, but having seen their stance on THIS genocide, I think they must have been teaching about that one wrong in their schools.
Too much emphasis on feelings of guilt maybe and not nearly enough on facts.
EH1987@reddit
All it seems to focus on is that genociding jews is bad, not that genocide is bad, otherwise it wouldn't be German government policy to support a genocidal ethnostate.
BufferUnderpants@reddit
What do you mean? He’s great at it, natural talent if I ever saw it
Ok-Call-4805@reddit
What is it about Germans and genocide?
Omarscomin9257@reddit
Right they're the only people to have committed two genocides in the 20th century. And considering their complicity in this one, the track record is abysmal
HourEast5496@reddit
They consider a decade wasted if they're not busy wiping out someone or helping the new generation of Nazis.
Omarscomin9257@reddit
The Israelis love drawing imaginary lines in the sand and shooting anyone that crosses it. They've been doing it for two years.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-12-18/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-soldiers-expose-arbitrary-killings-and-rampant-lawlessness-in-gazas-netzarim-corridor/00000193-da7f-de86-a9f3-fefff2e50000
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
So don't go near it
Dotura@reddit
The wife beater apologist "Just don't make him angry and he wont beat you"
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
The Jew r*aping terrorist paragliders "don't exist or were paraglide into your music festival"
Dotura@reddit
Oh do show me where I apologize for what Hamas did, i do love a good hypocrite. October 7 was horrible, unsurprisingly when I'm against killing civilians I'm against killing civilians.
If you don't like the R word don't look into what some IDF forced did. Might ruin your image of them.. or maybe you will defend it when they do it.
KaiBahamut@reddit
The line that changes at will? The line you aren't informed of?
TraditionalGap1@reddit
They crossed the line in their territory we drew so we had to shoot them?
Laughing_Man_Returns@reddit
typical Palestinian behaviour, making IDF kill them during a ceasefire!
FlagerantFragerant@reddit
Typical Hamas behaviour, not wearing uniforms and regularly strapping bombs to blow up in crowded places and then breaching borders and complaining!
Laughing_Man_Returns@reddit
and the worst part? when you kill them in time the bombs just disappear!
Sad-Broccoli@reddit
Oh just like the "safe zones" that they bomb?
Doctor-Malcom@reddit
I think of the number of times this year alone, when Israel has killed Palestinians despite orders from Trump to cease all military and violent activities. They will do it anyway like this story, and most Western governments will keep shouting about human rights violations by other countries.
On the other hand, the moment a single Israeli or individual who identifies as Jew (by culture or ethnicity or religion) is killed, it will flood Western news media outlets. At work the board of directors will then issue an anti-semitism alert and task HR with making sure everyone knows this is wrong. Which it is, and it should be wrong for any individual to be killed regardless of their tribal affiliation.
When I was growing up, the PLO was all over the news. Then they were replaced by Hamas. Soon it may be a pro-Palestinian AI LLM designed to destroy TikTok US, bought by a MAGA billionaire to reverse young Americans' distaste of Israel.
Until equal dignity and treatment under international and domestic law is given to the non-Jews of this region, we will keep seeing people turn to violence to achieve their freedoms.
loggy_sci@reddit
Donald Trump is not in charge of the IDF.
Anti-semites always start by discrediting accusations of antisemitism while making it about Jews. Classic.
Are you drunk.
“Non-Jews” are the majority of literally every other country in the region.
KitsueH@reddit
Relevant Onion article
https://theonion.com/israel-agrees-to-go-back-to-killing-palestinians-on-less-frequent-basis/
upbeatchief@reddit
Somehow, a less frequent basis still looks like a longshot seeing how israel is behaving.
upbeatchief@reddit
After two years of genocide do you expect them to stop all at once?
Old habits die hard.
dova_kinn@reddit
Israel is a rouge state it has violated every UN resolutions , broken every ceasefire , committed a genocide not once but twice , starved , burned people alive, all for the simple reason there has been no action against , it's time for this impunity to be ended , Palestinians have every right to defend themselves against this rabid dog , this rouge 'state' needs to be dismantled forever by force if needed.
Monterenbas@reddit
If small nuclear states could be easily dismantled by force, North Korea would have cease to exist long ago.
Mutualy Assured Destruction is still a thing, so good luck to find any volunteer country, to go dismantle Israel.
Salty_as_the_sea@reddit
North Korea is basically the ‘non threat Hamas’ that keep Japan and Korea as closer allies to the US, at least before chinas rise to power. Or at least that’s part of the reason nothing has really been done to overthrow the Kim’s I feel is why it gets little interference.
Tom-Rath@reddit
Global protests took down the nuclear-armed apartheid state of South Africa. That's why Israel is so adamant that BDS be made illegal in Europe and the US through legislation, and why they dump billions into Hasbara efforts.
But I can see you are unburdened by an education in history. It's very easy to be arrogant when you don't know dick.
meister2983@reddit
Technically the state wasn't taken down; the government of a state changed.
And this is because it was credible the whites would do ok under majority black rule. While there's been problems, this generally has held true.
The Jews of Israel don't have such credibility so the level of force against them would have to be much higher than South Africa
upbeatchief@reddit
Maybe it would play out differently in "the only democracy in the middle east"
You know, elect someone who thinks for the good of the population and decides to surrender nukes.
Rodonite@reddit
As someone who is pretty firmly in the pro-Palestine side, I don't see why any nation would surrender it's nukes after Ukraine
upbeatchief@reddit
Thay comment is exhibiting a bad habit of mine, where i post a comment incomplete while a search for the source to back a theain claim i was oalmning to make.
Usually it takes me a minute or two to find them, or even less if i had them in my bookmarks. Expect here i had a screenshot of a aljzeera arabic video discussion about the israeli economy and showing that israeli exports are halved accord to data from the israeli central bank. But i couldn't find an english source.
And without a source i didn't complete the point that economy damage may lead to change in elected officials positions and for the sake of lifiting sanctions, they may opt to surrender nukes qmong other actions, unlikely but who knows.
as for post Ukraine invasion, yeah surrendering nukes is almost unthinkable without extreme pressure, north korea likely would have without support for china, russia and iran.
Monterenbas@reddit
That a massive « maybe », when talking about potential nuclear war.
How would Israel surrendering its nuclear weapons, beneficial to its population exactly?
Especialy at a time where it seems that nuclear weapons is the ultimate and only guarantee, that your country won’t be bullied, by some local or global egemon.
Halfmoonhero@reddit
Anime titties really is just the “Fuck western society” version of r/worldnews lol
Theamazingquinn@reddit
Western Society is when you ignore a ceasefire to murder civilians.
Perfect_Cost_8847@reddit
It used to be a lot more balanced but it got taken over about a year ago and it’s extremely biased now. To a violent degree. I got heavily downvoted the other day for saying “there is never any justification for raping and murdering innocent people.” The context of the comment was criticising Hamas. It’s not really worth engaging here anymore in any kind of discussion. The bots and users genuinely want all people in the West to die. The want the genocide of Israel and all Jews in the region. They say it out loud.
ycnz@reddit
Yes, you're on to us. eyeroll.
HourEast5496@reddit
The reason for downvote is your hypocrisy because you totally favor murders, torturing, raping Palestinians to death, but get your undies twisted at even a fake rape story about European colonizers in the land of POC.
Halfmoonhero@reddit
Fake rape story? You sound totally unhinged. “International” as in Russian, Chinese or Iranian? I knew it would be difficult to tell as I assumed correctly that your history would be hidden.
celloh234@reddit
You should go back to your world news
Halfmoonhero@reddit
Damn, the people responding to you clearly prove your point.
AlludedNuance@reddit
What a load of nonsense.
ycnz@reddit
Because, fuck western society.
RockstepGuy@reddit
Tbh i'm only here to check the opinion of the guys who would send their little girls to ISIS if it meant they would take the fight to Israel.
Checking r/worldnews for anything related to Ukraine and sometimes Israel is useless tho, too much bias.
Morgolol@reddit
World new banned me for asking someone what the fuck is wrong with them in response to a comment cheering on the genocide and calling for more Palestinian kids to get killed since they might be future terrorists.
So ok. Sure. Whatever you say. I think killing innocent women and children is wrong, but apparently world news thinks different.
It's also notable that after blocking several zionists, like a dozen? I barely get world news Israeli propaganda articles. So very interesting how the vast majority of those articles celebrating the genocide was spammed by so few people.
Halfmoonhero@reddit
If you got banned then that’s clearly not what you said.
Morgolol@reddit
I assure you that was the comment, I couldn't find it since those mod messages where I asked them several times what the exact reason is went unanswered and disapeared fro mmy notifications.
However a few months later I also got banned from news sub for commenting "World news sub is an absolute cesspool of zionists cheering on genocides. Some real pieces of shit there." in response to a thread of several people commenting how they got banned from world news. At least still have those notifications.
Halfmoonhero@reddit
So it’s gone from “asking someone what the fuck is wrong with them”, to “Some real pieces of shit”, I’m guessing it was more along the lines of “You’re a real piece of shit” which I’m guessing might be against the subreddit rules.
Monterenbas@reddit
Perfectly balanced, as all thing should be.
NNKarma@reddit
Enough world to be critical of the "west", not enough world to have much news of the rest
Halfmoonhero@reddit
Thanks for proving me right!
Stippings@reddit
Nah, worldnews is just "white power" version of /r/anime_titties.
Ala117@reddit
you hate it here?
GodZ_n_KingZ@reddit
I don't see the issue, Palestinians broke into their borders and they have been shoot down. A lot of countries like Poland, India, Greece, Cyrous and etc are do the same thing.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit
Unlike these nations, Israel is an apartheid state that doesn't have lines or borders. It's fake ethnostate that shouldn't exist in the first place.
NuggetoO@reddit
You feel the same about Islamic ethnostates right? Or is it just the one Jewish state you have an issue with?
BabylonianWeeb@reddit
I also hate religious state including Islamic ones
NuggetoO@reddit
At least you’re consistent. I agree with you, but I think out of all the Middle Eastern religious states, Israel is the least restrictive if you aren’t Jewish. Some of those Islamic countries will literally put you to death for even trying to leave Islam.
Sarah-himmelfarb@reddit
It’s the least restrictive in Israel unless your Palestinian. Than you can be kidnapped and tortured or killed at any moment when a 19 year old soldier decides they can
NuggetoO@reddit
That’s just not reality. Palestinians in Israel (not Gaza, Israel) are citizens with full legal rights, they vote, serve in parliament, run businesses, and even sit on Israel’s Supreme Court.
You can criticize Israel’s military operations all day, but if you’re going to talk about Palestinians inside Israel, then at least be accurate, they have more freedom and legal protection there than Jews would get in any surrounding Islamic country.
celloh234@reddit
Convieniently deciding to ignore thousands of reports about kids and teenagers getting kidnapped with black hoodies put on, hold without trial or a lawyer get tortured for days and then released or killed without any explanation
Sarah-himmelfarb@reddit
Gaza and the West Bank is not an independent state it’s part of Israel.
RainbeauxBull@reddit
The bar is low
mga92@reddit
So the Israeli settlers in the West Bank are all fair game by that logic?
fingerchopper@reddit
No person is illegal
Monterenbas@reddit
Even the Israelis in Palestine?
fingerchopper@reddit
Correct. Actions are illegal, people are not.
The settlements are illegal. Ethnic cleansing is illegal.
Monterenbas@reddit
And here I though they were evil colonizers, when it was legal for millions of europeans to be there all along.
fingerchopper@reddit
That's completely compatible with what I said.
MatthewP0lska@reddit
Please tell me when did Polish army start killing people crossing the border? Because you made that up.
GodZ_n_KingZ@reddit
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/P-10-2024-001503_EN.html
MatthewP0lska@reddit
Yeah they are allowed to use weapons in case of being attacked but there haven't been any cases of them actually killing someone.
HourEast5496@reddit
Illegal? What drugs are you on and for how long have you been on them?
Gender_is_a_Fluid@reddit
IDF shoots likely just random people who have been starving for months over a line no one but Hamas, the IDF and the international intelligence community know where it is.
Think about being a low information starving person corralled into hellish conditions. You hear there is a ceasefire, the IDF is pulling out. You want to get out of the place that has been bombed over this conflict, and get home. Walking home, you suddenly get shot because there was a line no one could physically see, not publicly disclosed the exact lines just a vague area.
I shouldn’t even need to list all the examples of when the IDF has preferred to fire on civilians, they are rather famous for it.
marthamania@reddit
"Ceasefire"..?? 😭
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