Planet’s first catastrophic climate tipping point reached, report says, with coral reefs facing ‘widespread dieback’
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archontwo@reddit
Ahem...
Yellllloooooow13@reddit
I don’t get what you're trying to say
archontwo@reddit
That there was more coral then than there is today when the planet was a lot warmer so the alarm on less coral when the planet is still colder and worrying about it is illogical.
Yellllloooooow13@reddit
Really ?
A completely different flora worked in a completely different way and had millions of years to adapt to a specific climate is proof that the coral today (which is related to Jurassic coral like T-rex are related to geese) is not dying but is, in reality, is expanding ?
Is that your point ? Are you some kind of climate change denier ?
archontwo@reddit
No. A geologist.
Yellllloooooow13@reddit
That explains why you don’t understand how life works
WIAttacker@reddit
Wow, a colar that evolved 200 millions years ago? That coral?
NoHandBananaNo@reddit (OP)
Theyre not the same corals tho.
I get the feeling you think evolution occurs much faster than it can irl.
Salty_as_the_sea@reddit
Cut off a mouse’s tail and its offspring will have slightly shorter tails no?/s
NisslMissl@reddit
Wow, it's almost like the change in temperature, not the actual temperature, is the issue.
It is irrelevant if there were extinct species of coral that lived on a warmer planet. The existent species of coral cannot adapt quickly enough for the rate of change. So they die instead.
Select survivors might diversify again the future, allowing thriving coral reefs in a warmer world again. In the meantime, meaning the present and near future everyone is concerned with, coral ecosystems collapse.
gruntthirtteen@reddit
They're saying 'this is fine'
Yellllloooooow13@reddit
He seems convinced that those prehistoric coral will magically come back... this is baffling
NoHandBananaNo@reddit (OP)
Super baffling.
Maybe dinosaurs coming back is the answer to all our ecosystem collapse problems!
NoHandBananaNo@reddit (OP)
NotJacobMurphy@reddit
World "leaders": there's just nothing we can do about anything but gdp is up again woohoo
EmployAltruistic647@reddit
Appealing to the lowest common denominator of the world is what politics has come down to
Epic_Meow@reddit
is it even?
duncandun@reddit
Saw a statistic yesterday that if you removed AI growth from the US gdp, it’s gone up .1% in the last year
Epic_Meow@reddit
ah i see. i couldn't find any stats for 2025
Salty_as_the_sea@reddit
You can make gpd go up by just paying to spit in each others face again and again, it’s not really a good measure of anything except money moving. Money moving≠a healthy economy or even one doing actual stuff.
Epic_Meow@reddit
no but like... is it actually up?
RydderRichards@reddit
People would kick their leaders out immediately if they tried.
It's not the leaders, it's not the rich, it's not anybody else, it's what you and me do.
If people wanted green politics they'd vote for green parties. But people aren't doing that and that's why nothing is changing.
-Hi-Reddit@reddit
Because green parties are constantly attacked by billions of petrodollars in many many ways. Money talks.
RydderRichards@reddit
Sure, but it's ultimately us voting
-Hi-Reddit@reddit
We aren't equipped to fight that level of spending on information warfare. Especially now that AI is a better debater, convincer, and sooth-sayer than your average person. Over 50% of the traffic on the internet is bot accounts.
The fossil fuel industry was spending hundreds of millions on influence campaigns pre-AI, do you think they stopped now that their tools are even sharper than ever?
NotJacobMurphy@reddit
Everyone in the UK looking for a left wing party, green party in the corner waving furiously from behind a news blackout
-Hi-Reddit@reddit
And because of the current against them, green parties tend to lack talented politicians and resort to inviting the crazies in. (Talented career politicians take their voice somewhere it'll actually be listened to, rather than drowned out, ignored, attacked, misrepresented, etc. on purpose).
Logical_Team6810@reddit
This is some crazy cope. Gas and Oil corporations have gone to insane lengths to lobby politicians. Anyone "green" has nowhere near the corporate backing as their competitors, and has no way of winning.
RydderRichards@reddit
Sure, but that doesn't change that people vote, not lobbyists.
Logical_Team6810@reddit
Weak argument.
A green candidate systematically can't win.
RydderRichards@reddit
Made up.
If the people want green policies they can get green policies.
NorthernSkeptic@reddit
That’s absurdly simplistic. Yes they can, but powerful interests have invested heavily in making sure that people think they don’t want green policies. And it’s not a fair fight to start with. The deck is heavily stacked when the choice presented to the people is “we need to take vast and costly measures to mitigate disaster” versus “everything’s fine don’t worry about it”.
Logical_Team6810@reddit
Nah, too naive
KubaKuba@reddit
Decrease in quality of life, rather than principled opposition, leads to popular uprisings. (We're in the wealthiest period of human history, and per person, life is basically better every single day.)
For most of history it has actually been "the leaders, the rich" etc that were the movers and pushers.
This remains true.
Additionally, in specific reference to your call for individual action/responsibility, I'd ask how you remove the wealthy and prominent from the conversation when, as a group, they're actually the source of most climate denialism in the media?
I want less tax breaks for the rich. I even VOTED for it. As you suggest. I also VOTED for climate action.
Why then are tax breaks happening, and climate change actions not being taken?
The answer is, "We are 'voting for it'. But the money isn't".
So how do we incentivize capital towards climate action so the rich will let our votes matter?
They have to be able to make money from it.
Traditionally, that would mean government subsidies, tax incentives, and tax penalties.
Remember how I mentioned tax breaks? That thing the wealthy got for free (minus the cost of bribes) instead of having to earn it through societally beneficial projects as has been the case through most of the 20th century?
They're in charge now, and they're writing themselves checks for jobs they haven't done basically...
So now even the one method of leverage we had is gone.
So to recap, life is still broadly improving; likely no rebellions any time soon.
The wealthy are aggravating the problem and holding the resources to do something about it hostage, which makes them responsible.
Voting is happening, but money makes it ineffective.
Finally, our available means to enforce a change in behavior in the wealthy for the common good have been hijacked.....by the wealthy..
narrowwiththehall@reddit
Don’t worry. They’re flying into Davos to fix everything this year I hear
latswipe@reddit
I do have to hand it to vampires like Peter Thiel: it's weird that we have "global leadership" when what they actually do is follow.
Commiessariat@reddit
Financed by Same Day Shipping Emperor Jeff Bezos of the Amazon Empire?
crazytib@reddit
If only we had been warned when there was still time to act
EmployAltruistic647@reddit
In the 1990s, there is hope that something will be done. Nowadays though, the world is so enthralled with anti-intellectualism and egotism that it is frowned upon to even talk about climate change
In the meantime, the billionaires who help to doom the world are building bunkers in preparation of riding out the upcoming catastrophe
Fact is if the world is in ruins, it will still suck even being a billionaire.
Khers@reddit
I wish there was a bit more focus on these type of things. What we as citizens can vote on and try to push for to actually change, instead of 20 years of doom and gloom which doesn't seem to have done much positive change.
Otherwise we just need a few more pandemics because that seems to be the only time emissions drastically reduced.
gruntthirtteen@reddit
But what about the transgender immigrants turning my children into critical thinkers away from my comfy bubble of make believe? That's what's really important!
MementoMurray@reddit
All downhill from here, chaps. I'll see you at the bottom!