Starting October 14th, the Trump administration bans Non-Binary+Intersex people (including citizens) from entering/leaving country (on plane) via CBP passport changes
Posted by exhaustedanalyst@reddit | PrepperIntel | View on Reddit | 191 comments
Bluenose70@reddit
Here's a radical idea: why not leave people in peace to live their lives if they're not harming you. I don't fully understand gender issues tbh, but I can hand on heart say a trans person never bothered me none.
_Nacktmull_@reddit
Lets look a little deeper and connect the dots. In the end its about creating legal ways to go after everyone who does not support the fascist government. Snatching non white people from the streets is just the beginning. Some time ago they declared people terrorists, who are against fascism, oppose christian fundamentalism and criticize capitalism. Trans people have now been added to that list.
stonkon4gme@reddit
And yet in another breath, the US still harps on about how they defeated the Nazis and Fascism. Lol, how's that going nowadays?
Raygaholic420@reddit
Ahhh, a Brit telling us about our country. Don't you have your own problems?
stonkon4gme@reddit
Oh absolutely. It's messed up over here too 😔
Practical_Problem@reddit
Fascism is a universal human problem, it isn't contained by borders
Raygaholic420@reddit
I'm well aware. It was just your smug attitude. We know shit is fucked here. But you have a cluster fuck there too. Lol.
ThrowawayRage1218@reddit
In fairness...
We did also bring a lot of Nazis to our country and put them into government positions after the war. So, y'know...win some lose some.
_Nacktmull_@reddit
That kind of talk decreased noticeably here on reddit, since Trump "unmasked" the USA. At least from my subjective pov.
PoorClassWarRoom@reddit
E.O.s and SC rulings are making being "trans in public" a p0rnographic offense, specifically being trans while children are around.
Ecstatic_Bee6067@reddit
In my opinion, it's an extension of weaponizing racism. I'm also not particularly keen on gender issues, but that's beside the point for this discussion.
The administration, as the brilliant CGP Grey put it, has to secure the "keys" of leadership to effectively govern. To secure the support of the Upper and Upper Middle class, they have to cut taxes - that means cutting spending on social programs which disproportionally affects lower class. - and raise revenue through tarrifs - affecting Lower through parts of the Upper Middle classes.
Those groups aren't going to take that kindly, so the response is to give them something. The administration is giving them - if they choose to receive it - the privilege of being in the "in" group. All these minorities being rounded up should placate a population of the negatively impacted groups.
IMHO, I do believe the administration is moving too quickly and it will backfire, but I suppose we'll see.
EmergencyDesperate73@reddit
Im a god people, but god people. They feel its their business to save the soul of the person next to them. Even if they don’t like them. We/ they believe god put us all here to get to heaven. These people would want to go up to a trans face and tell them they made a bad choice and tell them to their face…. Idk what or why, just to save them.
But me my whole life im like mind your own. Nobody can fucking do that and if their to scared to say it to their face , theyll just keep talking about it like fucking parrots
Thats all people are , are parrots that cant shut the fuck up pr mind their own
BWest829@reddit
It has nothing to do with saving them. They want to see them burn in hell they don’t want to save them they just want to make life as hard as possible for anyone they don’t agree with
EmergencyDesperate73@reddit
I suppose, why is it like that,?
MuscaMurum@reddit
Every fascist regime needs a scapegoat group to blame
Playful_Possible_379@reddit
No, they are just evil and this is the smallest segment of the population to begin with. It's time for war.
FriendToPredators@reddit
Grew up with god people still regularly see god people. Will second this isn’t about saving anyone. It never is. At best that’s cover. People who do this have a brain issue where they just do not grasp that the rest of the world isn’t them. That other people can be doing something they would never do and that’s okay. No chance.
Their main character syndrome is so extreme everything happening anywhere is always about them so they must control it. And when they can’t they freak out. And if they personally can’t bully everyone to be an extension of them, they work to make the state the arm that bullies that to happen.
TheQuietOutsider@reddit
isnt divine judgement a prerequisite for this form of "helping" to salvation? its bigotry and hypocrisy wrapped in a biblical disguise
Altruistic_Tonight18@reddit
So wait, they think intersex is a voluntary identification by people who have an “intersex agenda” encouraging more people to become intersex? It’s a biological characteristic, between the two genders, and differs substantially from people who self-identify as non-binary, who are the ones they seem to think have the anti-American values. That’s just bizarre and it screws 2% of the population over.
I’m asexual, which means I’m not sexually attracted to anyone, and I’ve just been declared as having terrorist ideology because I don’t find anyone sexually attractive. If they’re going to make broad sweeping generalizations, they really need to learn about actual exceptions which wouldn’t offend them if they knew the facts. It’s hard to imagine someone being offended by my lack of sexual inclinations while being perfectly happy as a celibate man.
Actually, I take that back, I have been told that I’m dangerous because of my asexuality, with their logic being that god made people to reproduce and that I am going against gods plan… I think my daughter would disagree.
ThrowawayRage1218@reddit
Nononono. You misunderstand. Intersex is between sex. It means intersex people are people who want sex between the sexes, and are possessed of the Jezebel Spirit. Or else it means they're like those other nonbinaries who make no sense at all and have to be one thing or the other because gender is not societal and made up, it's biological.
(huge fuckin /s, only put there because this is the internet and there's probably someone somewhere who believes this)
s1gnalZer0@reddit
They don't care about facts. They care about hate.
TCBallistics@reddit
Thats what I'm wondering about too. I'm a man, I resemble a man, I was raised a man, in the end I am a male, but biologically I am both male and female on a genetic level due to my tetragametic chimerism. In my bone marrow, blood, and my organs are both XX and XY chromosome cells. On a biological, scientific level I am labeled as intersex which is extremely important medically due to the risks and increased challenges it brings.
I put down male on my paperwork since its what was put down on my birth certificate, but all of my medical info has me labeled as intersex and that includes my medical paperwork necessary for me to get/renew my license or passport. Am I going to lose my ability to leave the country because of something I was literally unable to control even if I wanted to?
East_Cardiologist530@reddit
This whole guise of “protecting women “ sickens me. If that’s the case aren’t men being victimized as well? Only poor delicate women who should be in the kitchen pregnant are potentially victimized by horrible left wing ideology 🙄. My eyes are rolling so hard I’m giving myself a headache. 🤮
ThrowawayRage1218@reddit
But didn't you hear dear leader? We'll be protected whether we want it or not. That sort of phrasing didn't trigger any red flags related to any sort of victimization of afab people at all and made me feel so safe.
Anarkya@reddit
It's fascism.
And it's like that frog in boiling water thing.
It's slowly happening. People are getting used to these rules. They do nothing.
Eventually, people are being jailed and denied their rights.
And it's too late. You now live in a fascist country under the guise of democracy.
NuggetoO@reddit
Being asked what birth sex you are is now fascism? Are the doctors filling out birth certificates fascist now?
Murky_Conclusion_637@reddit
It's the intent behind these types of actions that tell you who you're dealing with. This administration has shown itself to be pure evil, from top to bottom. It's only going to get worse.
NuggetoO@reddit
What's the intent?
Murky_Conclusion_637@reddit
They've made it very clear that anyone not a CIS white Xtian Male is going to have fewer (or no) rights. Have you not been paying attention?
NuggetoO@reddit
Let’s say I haven’t been paying attention. Could you please explain how “They’ve made it very clear that anyone not a cis, rich, white Christian male is going to have fewer (or no) rights” , and do it in a way that actually convinces me that what you’re saying is true?
Everything I’ve seen on that has just been comments like yours, stated as fact but without any evidence. That might be enough for you, but I need more to go on. I don’t watch propaganda networks or legacy media. I mostly pay attention to the headlines that reach me through friends or family. Sure, some of this administration’s actions have been controversial, but nothing I’ve seen even remotely points to a fascist state that only favors rich white men.
Can you present something that might make me see it from your perspective?
From my perspective, there’s an insidious mindset that turns political opponents into the literal embodiment of evil, and that kind of thinking has pushed unstable people to act violently. Charlie Kirk was killed by someone who texted, “I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.” These hyperbolic claims about your political rivals being Nazis or fascists are dangerous.
Needing to put your birth sex on a legal document isn’t fascism.
Gizmosis@reddit
If you need proof, go read the verbiage of the executive orders and project 2025. They're all out there for you to go read, so claiming you've seen no proof while also not looking at the public available proof is insane. You're arguing in bad faith.
Anarkya@reddit
Most people don't pay attention unless it pertains to them directly. Even then, most still don't
m240bravoromeo@reddit
Targeting Trans and denying gender affirming care was one of the first things the nazi party did in Germany.
hera-fawcett@reddit
being banned from entering or leaving a country on the basis of sex is p fucking crazy.
esp bc, ignoring trans and nbies (sorry guys, ily but we knew u were on the hitlist, so its not a surprise fr), intersex is a legitimate condition that ppl are born with.
being born w different chromosomes or physical sex characteristics historically hasnt been grouped w trans/nb (bc they consider trans/nb as choices) and ignores the 'your are born the way god intended' message that usually accompanies.
NuggetoO@reddit
Nobody is banning anyone from entering on the basis of sex. You must declare your birth sex on legal documents. The one your birth certificate says. It's not that hard. Every country in the world is now Fascist for asking this?
runawayjimlfc@reddit
It’s tough but, unfortunate reality is outside of rich liberal elite white circles no one gives a shit about trans people.
HommeMusical@reddit
Quibble: in the real world, frogs actually hop out of the pan when it gets too hot, no matter how slowly you raise the heat.
It feels like humans aren't as smart as frogs sometimes.
GenerationNihilist@reddit
Quibble: It’s called in apologue. The moral of the story is the point…not the facts.
Perhaps you’re talking to yourself, as the true measure of intelligence is the effectiveness of connection.
cssndr73@reddit
This is scary.
TheBreadHasRisen@reddit
It’s not. They can still leave they just have to state their birth gender when they’re leaving. They don’t even have to change their passports. It’s nothing.
well__now_what@reddit
Just change your entire persona to conform to the desires of raving lunatics. No biggy.
TheBreadHasRisen@reddit
Saying “ I was born a male” is changing your entire persona? Oof. You’re quite privileged lol.
GrandArmadillo6831@reddit
Imagine an official asking if you have or have ever had a penis or vagina. Wtf does it matter to fly somewhere?
TheBreadHasRisen@reddit
Imagine expecting every other country on earth to play into the gender game stuff we’re doing here.
Good luck taking a passport with an x as the gender to most countries. Because saying “I used to be a male” is just too much work.
Excellent_Set_232@reddit
You have no understanding of what intersex or nonbinary is do you lol
thefedfox64@reddit
How does non-binary work for medical purposes? If someone has a medical emergency, wouldn't ID need to indicate for non-binary which sex one is for medication/such?
Excellent_Set_232@reddit
I don’t know I’m not their doctor so I won’t be opining about that
thefedfox64@reddit
Then why are you opining about it at all? Medicine affects different sexes differently. Hopefully you do understand that, and receiving medical treatment in other countries happens, and language barriers exist.
HarringtonMAH11@reddit
But thats a totally separate discussion in general. What does being non-bionary have to do with you sitting on an airplane you bought a ticket for have to do with medical emergencies?
thefedfox64@reddit
What does any of it have to do with you sitting on an airplane? Your argument is formed for this one thing. If your gender doesnt matter, then it shouldn't matter at all, for anything. For flying, for identification, for travel, for purposes of anything.
But if you say there are some limits, some restrictions, some level of acknowledgment that it should be known. Then you have to be prepared to nail down the nitty gritty finite details of what/where/when.
The discussion isnt jsut about travel, and pushing that agenda to say "just about this" is another unsound attempt to not have any discussion about it, at all.
HarringtonMAH11@reddit
Does your passport have diabetes, autism, syncope, amputee, impaired vision, DNR, or any other medical thing on it? No? Then everything you just said is anecdotal, and you're just being a bigoted asshole.
thefedfox64@reddit
Ahh, now onto insulting when you cant understand that sex is a medical necessity to know. And given 30 years ago, these procedures were not done/able, and today its almost impossible to tell such things were done, I say its relevant.
So please, ignore the entire talk about identification, which is what you wanted to talk about. Why does my eye color matter? Hair? Height/weight?
Hell, why does any of it matter? But insert some dog whistle about how we cant discuss this. Those boots taste good?
Gizmosis@reddit
You ALSO don't understand how HRT changes the body and shouldn't be speculating on things you don't understand.
Excellent_Set_232@reddit
Where did I give an opinion about it in the first place?
You realize these are issued for people that aren’t intersex and nonbinary as well right your point is moot lol
thefedfox64@reddit
I think you are missing what non-binary is. It is not intersex; non-binary has nothing to do with chromosomal characteristics.
Which is why I asked specifically about non-binary. Why wouldn't for medical purposes that be something that should be on the id?
But stick with the comments about people being bigoted because you don't want to acknowledge the real issues that this can cause. Another red herring to avoid legitimate concerns, so you don't have to face your own bias
Excellent_Set_232@reddit
forgive me for not wanting to medically evaluate a strawman and assert their right to travel freely lol
thefedfox64@reddit
lawl, so its about right to freely travel.
Gotcha, man these goal posts keep moving, avoid, avoid avoid. Such a siren call it seems.
Talk about free travel, the costs for obtaining a passport, and the prices of airline travel and hotels. Man sure does affect poor people - do you want to tango with that or just say traveling is a privilege (not a right) in and of itself?
Excellent_Set_232@reddit
Do you honestly believe this policy change isn’t just a cheap-shot at non-binary and intersex people? Are you really that dense?
thefedfox64@reddit
So because of that reason, we are not allowed to talk/discuss. Gotcha, so we all need to have pure motives to have any discussion about anything.
All I see is more avoidance, and shifting goal posts. Instead of handling the issue, we push it, dismiss it, refuse to talk about it. And boom, what do you know...we marginalized this entire thing again and again and again.
How's that going BTW? Think its going to get better by jsut ignoring the other side? Think we will come around soon? Everyone will wake up and go "wtf were we thinking". Cause I can tell you. Didnt happen after WW2 in Germany. Took them decades to come to terms with it.
Excellent_Set_232@reddit
Intersex and nonbinary people exist, it isn’t an opinion. The use of X on a passport is perfectly valid, and I don’t fucking care if people that identify as non-binary want to use it as well, and if the other governments of the world continue to deny science and human rights by trying to force people into using an outdated binary labeling system, just tack that on to all the other reasons, I’m not gonna let THAT be the reason I logically support a decision just because it makes it easier for bigots to feel good about themselves lmao
TheBreadHasRisen@reddit
Yes. I’m an expert
SnooLentils6995@reddit
An expert at being an idiot maybe
TheBreadHasRisen@reddit
I don’t even agree with it, I’m just telling you what it says in the article. You’re so sensitive and offended.
SnooLentils6995@reddit
Im not sensitive nor offended I just think your take on it is moronic. Lol its coming from a "your problem not mine" type of head.
TheBreadHasRisen@reddit
No, it’s not lol. You’re so triggered!
SnooLentils6995@reddit
Yeah my comments read is triggered lol sure buddy, sure. Idk if you know what triggered means either.
TheBreadHasRisen@reddit
Dude relax, stop being so upset. It’s ok. It’s just Reddit comments.
Excellent_Set_232@reddit
You don’t even understand what the article says 😂
TheBreadHasRisen@reddit
What’s it say 😂
Excellent_Set_232@reddit
The article is about how the administration will handle people who have had an X on their passport rather than M or F. Considering you keep bringing up trans people, who would most likely have an M or F on their passport rather than an X, you didnt understand anything.
TheBreadHasRisen@reddit
I literally said that in another comment.
Excellent_Set_232@reddit
No you didn’t, and you don’t understand what the difference is.
Excellent_Set_232@reddit
Then you would understand all of these types of people have existed for longer than most of the governments that deny their existence have existed lol
TheBreadHasRisen@reddit
Ok, that doesn’t change the fact that they won’t accept their passport, does it?
So do you want to travel the world and have to say “I was a male” , or do you want to sit on the couch and go nowhere because of a question.
melympia@reddit
If I were affected, I would want to not have to choose. Instead, I'd want to be free to be me and still travel. Why is it such an issue to accept the currently assigned gender as de facto? What gain does the government have from forcing you to state what you are no more (and may never have been) as if you were it still?
jobe04@reddit
wtf do you care dumbass ? 🤣🤣
stygg12@reddit
it is weird how they are really invested in something that they don't really understand
jobe04@reddit
but god forbid anyone asks them about a firearm 🤣
TheBreadHasRisen@reddit
I don’t care at all, and you can ask me about firearms “dumbass”.
Excellent_Set_232@reddit
Why does it matter if they’re traveling to places that will accept it?
TheBreadHasRisen@reddit
Are they only going to places that accept it?
Have we gone so far that we can’t even acknowledge that trans folks used to have a different gender? Acknowledging for literally two seconds that “I was born XXX” is too much of an assault?
Excellent_Set_232@reddit
The policy isn’t about trans folk, keep up
DrieverFlows@reddit
you obviously dont see the implications of the trump regime here, or you dont care, or are just trolling.
anyway, i'll spell it out for you. this is only the latest step in a series to condemn, identify and exterminate otherness. once their identified, they can be dealt with according to 'christian' beliefs.
whether you believe that or not, doesnt matter. there's no denying this is how it works, because thats literally an industrial process. and guess who used industrial processes to exterminate otherness in the past?
Fascists, dictatorships and slave nations. hitler.
TheBreadHasRisen@reddit
“Were you born a male or a female?”
OMG HITLER
You guys are laughable.
1011011@reddit
You aren't able to see the forest through the trees.
FuzzzyRam@reddit
"Were you born Jewish?"
Wait, what?
overkill@reddit
I remember the UK census in (I think) 2001, specifically in Northern Ireland, had a question for religion. If you answered "None", you got:
So the old joke of "Are you a Protestant Atheist or a Catholic Atheist?" came true.
Hesitation-Marx@reddit
Hi. I’m sorry about your mother, her memory for a blessing.
You reached out for support, and got compassion and care back. I’m glad for that. Loss is incredibly painful at the best of times, and it wasn’t the best of times.
The X marker isn’t just for “gender games”. It’s also a marker that was instituted not just for nonbinary people (like me), but for intersex people for whom an M or F don’t necessarily apply.
Having to announce your assigned birth gender when you have an X marker can open you up to abuse and actual danger. The TSA and border control enforcement were wildly unsympathetic before all this began; I can only imagine what sort of nastiness they’d feel emboldened to do now.
(And no, I am not intersex and never applied for an X marker because that X felt a little too much like a self-applied target.)
Can you, perhaps, stop and take a breath, and consider extending some of that compassion back towards people who you might not understand, but who are also people?
NuggetoO@reddit
Why are you bringing up their mother passing in a thread about gender? Then you tell them to “take a breath,” like they’re losing control or something.
Stick to the topic instead of acting holier-than-thou.
Saying it’s okay for the government to ask your birth sex at the border doesn’t mean someone lacks compassion or doesn’t see trans people as human. It’s just a simple question, everyone has a birth sex. If you’ve changed it, good for you, but they’re asking what you were born as. They can’t keep rewriting procedures every time someone decides to identify as the newest label to hit the market.
GrandArmadillo6831@reddit
So? they can answer the question in the other country. Wtf does it matter to the US Air travel complex if someone had a uterus at one point?
TheBreadHasRisen@reddit
No, they don’t accept the passport you silly goose. You can’t travel to most country’s with an x gender.
beatrixbrie@reddit
https://www.vice.com/en/article/transgender-model-dubai-airport/
Except that saying what you were born as isn’t helpful if people don’t think you look that way
GrandArmadillo6831@reddit
So? Again W. T. F., what the FUCK, does it matter to the US? THE The intake country is responsible for their own intake like every other fucking category.
You aren't worth the time at this point
Takemyfishplease@reddit
Why are you even here? Like you’re the reason we have to prep for the worst.
WRSTRZ@reddit
Nope. Not entire persona. Just your biological sex on government record. Literally one tick box on a document. Meaning, if you were born a biological male and identify as a female or nonbinary. You can identify as whatever you want as long as your sex on your government documents/travel documents is the same as your actual biological sex. Just like you’re free to identify as 100 years old, as long as your passport shows your actual age. And free to identify as Brad Pitt as long as your actual name is on your passport. And free to identify as French as long as your passport states your actual country of citizenship.
They didn’t exactly make a law that says “identifying as a different sex than your biological sex is illegal”, did they?
TheBreadHasRisen@reddit
No. That’s why I don’t know why I’m getting downvoted to oblivion. You can still be whatever you want to be. But one document has to have one tick mark next to one gender and that’s just preposterous I guess.
lifeline2110@reddit
"I dont know why I'm getting downvoted..." while being a transphobic, sexist, egotistical gun nut, who is showing how much of a troll he is by saying hes an expert on gender. Just because you named your two guns Shela and Betty doesn't mean you know much about gender.
Seriously your idiocy is worse than someone with a 2 iq score. Barnacles have deeper thoughts.
lifeline2110@reddit
Dming me to try and justify transphobic retiric he keeps spouting on this post. Gives zero fucks about troll accusations. Doesn't try to defend or justify himself saying he's "a gender expert". Zero fucks given about this transphobe troll.
WRSTRZ@reddit
I meant to reply to the other guy lol my bad
TheBreadHasRisen@reddit
You’re good lol
HarringtonMAH11@reddit
Intersex people have both or no gendered genitals. What exactly does that have to to with the ability to have a passport? Saying they were born a male is factually wrong.
DugEFreshness@reddit
Wtf does it matter? It's literally protected by the first amendment's Freedom of expression. Ya bootlicker.
PatientExcuse6273@reddit
Free country except when I just NEED to know if I can get you pregnant or not
TheBreadHasRisen@reddit
Big ooff. You are creepy my friend.
Capital-Floor9848@reddit
You people who are so obsessed with the status of everyone else's genitals are the creepy ones.
Smooth_Tell2269@reddit
What's the big friggen deal? Just put your biological birth sex down. Fragile eggshell minds.
Thee-lorax-@reddit
So I have to tell the government what genitalia I was born with to leave the country or to come into the country? That’s just absurd. Why does the government need to know? Why is the Republican Party so obsessed with people’s private?
thefedfox64@reddit
Only if you have X it looks like. Otherwise the government does know. Because everyone with M/F has stated.
So the question becomes, the Government used to know, for its entire existence, now in the last 5/7 years it hasn't. So why was it ok in the 1980s for them to know, but not now?
Thee-lorax-@reddit
Why does it matter what a person has or doesn’t have? Why do we want the government to police genitalia? Why did it ever matter? They have a photo of me and can easily identify me. Seriously it’s a weird obsession with other people’s body. Why do they have to know?
thefedfox64@reddit
For starters, they have generally always known. Since the founding of the country, your gender has been a part of your identification.
So please at least acknowledge that for the majority of US history, your birth sex was known to the government.
Second - medical purposes. Medicine affects the sexes differently and requires different doses. It also helps if there are complications in the following years, which a doctor may or may not want to know.
But the final fact is that you for some reason, all your medical information isn't known to the Government in some form, via Medicare/Medicaid, which is outrageously inaccurate. As for policing genitalia, what does that even mean?
The Government polices while black, while brown, while every other non-white skin. The police treat females differently from males. They police what you can buy, what you can own, what you can drive, and what you can fly. They police and police and police. I'm having a hard time thinking what they don't police. Not sure why this specific thing is off limits, when 99.99% of the stuff still is.
Definitelymostlikely@reddit
Nah the question is why do you want Americans to have more government restrictions?
thefedfox64@reddit
Is it more? I just said, in the 1980's, they knew exactly what your sex was.
sophiep1127@reddit
Actually they do have to change their documents. It has to be entered as shown on the document.
coldinthebarn@reddit
Often times trans people get their birth certificates updates.
TheBreadHasRisen@reddit
It’s only for people with x on their passports. They just need to say what their birth gender was.
coldinthebarn@reddit
You’re being obtuse lol
TheBreadHasRisen@reddit
No I’m not. I know you guys enjoy being triggered and angry and stuff, but I literally just read the article and stated the facts. I don’t agree with it, I don’t give a shit what your gender or identity are, I didn’t vote for Trump. You guys just like being mad.
jimothyjonathans@reddit
You seem like a miserable person.
TheBreadHasRisen@reddit
I’m great! Thanks though
a_duck_in_past_life@reddit
People who are passing as their transitional identity and not their birth sex will have to "prove it". Is that not scary to you?
Go through a run down of what you'd have to do in order to transition. All the documents and all the name change, and ID updates. Now after all of that, being a pain as it already is for you dealing with the dmv and doctors and stress, you need to go on a business trip to Canada and you show them your ID and it says nonbinary on your documents you just had all changed. You may not be passing as male, that you stated. Now they need to prove that you're the person you say you are. They don't believe you. How do you prove that you were born male? What do you think they are going to ask you? What if you were born female but had top surgery?
They're going to want to get real aggressive about finding out, otherwise they just won't let you leave. Now you miss your business trip because you can't prove it without a doctor's note or a strip search. Your work performance is failing because you couldn't make it in time and.......
.... If you have not gotten my point yet, the goal is to trap non cis people here and strip them of their right to travel. And they're saying this under the guise of "just tell me your birth gender and it'll be fine". It's a trap. And it's very worrisome. Because let me put this into perspective. Now they can question anyone, even cisgender people by claiming they don't believe a husky woman is actually a female. Things like that. Acts of oppression on the few are just acts of oppression on the majority, hidden behind a thin veil of lies. This is fascism.
TheBreadHasRisen@reddit
It’s a question. It takes one second to answer. How entitled.
fragrant-final-973@reddit
Found the transvestigator.
OwnCrew6984@reddit
It's a question that shouldn't be asked.
NuggetoO@reddit
You're not allowed to ask someone their birth sex in case they decided to change genders and might take offense at the question?
fragrant-final-973@reddit
Found the transvestigator.
Cryptic_Mutt@reddit
Crazy how you didn't find an answer that's acceptable
This world is better off without you
BigDuckNergy@reddit
This isn't how official documentation works. Once you go in and display your passport and they tell you it is invalid they will not accept it again. It doesn't matter if you go "he he I'm actually a Man even though it says X on the passport"
You will either have to produce new documentation or not leave the country-- and good luck getting anything changed during the shutdown.
When you're logging something like a passport you have to put it all down EXACTLY as it appears on the passport--doing anything else is literally fraud.
The_Mammoth_Hunter@reddit
Easy to say when it doesn't affect you.
TheBreadHasRisen@reddit
How do you know it doesn’t affect me?
Hawkeye3636@reddit
But does it impact you? Simple question. The FBI just wants to know. Remember Palantir will be checking.
TheBreadHasRisen@reddit
Yes it does. Thanks for asking.
Jungle_gym11@reddit
How does it impact you?
dat_GEM_lyf@reddit
You do realize we can see your profile right?
TheBreadHasRisen@reddit
Yep! Still affects me. Stop judging me based off the way I look.
dat_GEM_lyf@reddit
It wasn’t based off your looks lol
The fact that you felt the need to say “stop judging me based off the way I look” speaks volumes as well. Especially in the current thread…
el_goate@reddit
Jfc just let people live their fucking lives in peace without harassing them. Is that too much to ask?
melympia@reddit
And if you just happened to be born intersex, you have to state the gender someone in office decided to assign to you.
Yes, intersex people do exist, and deserve to be recognized as what they are.
JFlash7@reddit
You’re wrong on this. The airlines have to transmit information to CBP exactly as listed on someone’s passport. With M and F being the only allowable characters in the system, anyone with a different sex listed on their passport is essentially blocked from international travel by the inability to submit their information.
Non-Binary Passport Designations: Passports issued with “X” or other non-binary markers will be rejected by CBP systems, requiring resubmission with valid documentation showing “M” or “F” designation.
Cryptic_Mutt@reddit
It's nothing says you, idiot
Snakepli55ken@reddit
Insane. That’s not small government.
boskylady@reddit
Yeah funny how they’re increasingly involved in people’s biology and existence. I thought this was America…
sglbgg@reddit
I’d encourage people to read the actual CBP notification at: https://www.cbp.gov/document/bulletins/executive-order-sex-codes-m-or-f-systems
Specifically this part “If the travel document presented by a traveler for an international flight to or from the United States has a sex indicator other than “M” or “F” or does not otherwise indicate the sex of the traveler, the carrier or the traveler should select either “M” or “F”. Submitting “M” or “F” in the sex field, in place of the value reflected on the travel document, will not subject the carrier to penalty.”
boskylady@reddit
Why the hell is our federal government regulating gender?
-TheDream@reddit
How can this be legal?
SyntheticSins@reddit
This isnt a travel ban its just forcing gender compliance. You have to update your passport with either male or female, all others will be kicked back.
s1gnalZer0@reddit
Cool, so someone who is non binary or trans and is currently traveling outside the country with plans to return tomorrow or later just had their passport invalidated and can no longer return to the US. I guess they should just somehow update their passport while the government is shut down, right?
CavitySearch@reddit
That’s the neat part…
dontgoatsemebro@reddit
Very cool and very legal
Failedmysanityroll@reddit
Found the guy that has CP on their hard drive just like their orange pedophile king
dontgoatsemebro@reddit
Found the guy with the memory of a goldfish.
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DoomgazeAficionado94@reddit
Ask yourself whose authority they are beholden to. Without a governing body to enforce them, laws are just words.
MezcalFlame@reddit
Who is going to stop it?
festivalfriend@reddit
Bro nothing has been legal are you just tuning in?
cerealOverdrive@reddit
This is shitty but it isn’t quite as bad as the headline makes it out to be. My understanding is they can still enter or leaving the country but they are forced to disclose what gender they were deemed to be at birth.
Is it shitty? Yes. Is this a travel ban? No. These people can still enter and leave the country but they’re forced to do something demeaning and completely pointless. That said if you’re looking for canaries in a coal mine we’re starting to have a dead flock down here….
BigDuckNergy@reddit
They can't leave if their passport is rejected, and their passport is rejected if they don't have F or M under the gender section.
They have to provide proper documentation. This isn't a school field trip where you can fudge a parental consent form on the spot.
They literally have to go get a new passport--and good luck doing that during the shutdown.
R2-DMode@reddit
They’ve had all year to update their passports.
brumac44@reddit
I thought intersex were biologically ambiguous sex. Is OPs title incorrect, or are they discriminating against people born that way?
ConflictTemporary877@reddit
Passports that don't designate either "M" or "F" are no longer valid
SalamanderWorking202@reddit
How is it legal to stop US citzens entering the country..?
KermitJFrog5916@reddit
It likely isn't, the issue is it's faster for him to keep pumping this crap out than it is for it to work its way through the courts
Himbo_Shaped@reddit
Jesus christ
RedditMadeName@reddit
I was about to post the exact same thing.
50_61S-----165_97E@reddit
So the issue is that passports where the gender is not specified as Male or Female are no longer valid, it's not a travel ban per se. If you're neither gender, you need to pick one and pay for a new passport which sucks.
BigDuckNergy@reddit
Which you can't do during a government shutdown. It is absolutely a travel ban.
50_61S-----165_97E@reddit
Using that logic, anyone who's waiting for a passport renewal is also subject to a travel ban
BigDuckNergy@reddit
When you make an overarching decision that invalidates an entire demographic's passports during a period of time people can't go make the required changes you are establishing an effective travel ban.
You are being willfully obtuse by comparing someone's passport being essentially revoked, and someone's passport expiring.
jcb989123@reddit
LAND OF THE FREE FUCK YA /s
chemical_outcome213@reddit
That's not actually true, they'll have to state they're male or female but x passports are still valid, it may cause delays and it completely sucks. But this headline is crap.
NuclearPopTarts@reddit
It’s a Reddit rage-bait headline.
I’d like my passport to say I am Padisah Emperor of the House of PopTarts (and World’s Greatest Pickleball Player)
PackOk1473@reddit
Maybe read the article before commenting on it
NuclearPopTarts@reddit
Sir, this is Reddit. Nobody reads the articles!
PackOk1473@reddit
Evidently
BigDuckNergy@reddit
This guy's entire life is trolling, it's why his comments are hidden. Just ignore him and roll on homie.
The_Mammoth_Hunter@reddit
That's not what it means and you know it. Stop acting the fool.
NuclearPopTarts@reddit
And your passport can say Mammoth Hunter The Fool.
Separate_Fold5168@reddit
What about people that are actually born intersex. They just don't exist anymore?
Then_Entertainment97@reddit
Fuck off
-Calm_Skin-@reddit
I no longer believe innocent things about this administration. What is the worst that they would do here? Pretty fucking immoral.
virgoseason@reddit
I mean, the article linked in the original post states that X passports will be denied..
Final-Tumbleweed1335@reddit
The headline may be crap, the idea of doing it is crappier
tennezzee88@reddit
lmao these comments are hilarious
NakedLeftie-420@reddit
Headline is NOT crap. The ONLY reason non-binary and trans people can continue to travel in and out of the country is because the courts granted a relief. (Whatever it’s called). Massachusetts asked SCOTUS 9’ Oct 6 to review the case. Until they do, this policy is not (supposed) to be enforced.
Having said that - when masked thugs are dragging anyone, but specifically US citizens, and throwing them into rental vans and driving off, I do not put anything g past this administration.
So, instead of claiming fake news, help make this type of shit not our reality.
Coloradohboy39@reddit
The fed don't know my gender cuz I'd never tell
Independent_Desk5796@reddit
Does anyone here know of anyone or have they experienced this themselves? I’m traveling internationally next week and need to know whether I can use my passport or not. Who/what office should I call to get the scoop?
No-Working4163@reddit
Terrible, wrong headline. Trump banned the 'X' marker and banned any changed marker. Your paperwork has to have your assigned sex at birth on it. I don't like it but this isn't a ban on people.
Now, can people who have changed these markers go back and revert them sufficiently for the feds' scrutiny? An unanswered question at this point.
ObjectiveDark40@reddit
No one said it's "a ban on people" they said it's a ban on those people leaving the country via plane. Which it is.
erbush1988@reddit
Which people?
No one is barred from leaving. Just lie on the paperwork.
ObjectiveDark40@reddit
The people listed on the headline. You can't lie on your passport that is already printed.
No-Working4163@reddit
They didn't "ban(...) Non-Binary+Intersex people (including citizens) from entering/leaving country (on plane)". They banned people who had changed their gender markers on their documents from doing so. There's a big difference.
ObjectiveDark40@reddit
So they banned them. That's what I said. I never said ALL of them. But they still banned a group of citizens from coming or going via plane.