Gaza City clashes between Hamas and clan members leave 27 dead
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Posted by Rulweylan@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 267 comments
ImaginarySeries1402@reddit
Dughmush family is one of the families known for being Israel’s collaborators, -before the war some of them were in jail for connections with ISIS and Al Qaeda others were persecuted for drug smuggling and human trafficking, Israel bombed the jail early on in the war and freed all of them (including the infamous Abu Shabab). During the war their area was hardly bombed, they never starved and they worked with Israel in areas the army couldn’t reach. They were given Israeli air coverage during the war to carry out missions against Hamas and “able bodied men” in general. Note; they were given air coverage by Israel today during the attacks as well.
NorthernSkeptic@reddit
Not doubting you, but is there a non-Hamas source for all of this? I’ve never read about this until now.
2dudesinapod@reddit
There are tons of non Hamas Palestinians cheering from the sidelines on Twitter and telegram.
I saw a video a week ago of Hamas executing three collaborators in the street and there was a crowd of Palestinians cheering them on.
cmonnomorework@reddit
Looks like hamas fanboys are super happy, guess the war will continue
2dudesinapod@reddit
Netanyahu and his goons have been saying the war will continue in Hebrew since Friday.
cmonnomorework@reddit
And isn't that great? getting rid of worthless hamas terrorists is always an amazing thing.
Cocaine_Communist_@reddit
Do you ever stop to ask yourself why Hamas hate "Israel" so much?
718Brooklyn@reddit
I understand why Hamas hate Israel, but do you ever wonder why the Palestinians aren’t welcome in Jordan or Egypt?
HourEast5496@reddit
Do you ever wonder why jews were not welcome in almost all of European and American countries? No... too antisemitic to talk about it?
718Brooklyn@reddit
But they are today.
HourEast5496@reddit
But when they were being holocausted like Palestinians are today, jews were not welcome anywhere.
718Brooklyn@reddit
Which is why Israel is so important to Jewish people
NorthernSkeptic@reddit
Not really, because it’s not relevant?
HumaDracobane@reddit
It should be.
Check what the Black October was and why it happened. That is just one example.
Longjumping-Jello459@reddit
Treating people like crap tends to make them not like the leadership in a given host country. Refugee camps, including Palestinian ones, are known for being really poor/impoverished. Neither Egypt nor Jordan supported the development of a Palestinian national movement much less nation until the mid 1960s.
HumaDracobane@reddit
You're right but why would they have to do it?
Out of the region there is the wrong assumption that every country in the middle east is the same and they're all together facing the future, etc and we couldn't be more wrong there. There are different countries, different interests, etc and, on top of that, different religion branches. The idea of everyone grabbing eachothers' hands and walking to the sunset is naive.
All those camps were always mean to be temporary, not consolodate locations, and they werent given full citizenship of Jordan, Egypt or Siria to keep the intention to move back to Gaza again. In the case of Jordan you need to consider the balance of jordanian population and the palestinians. That unbalanced relation made for the palestinian possible to keep forces on the region, those were the ones that tried to make a new estate on the north during the black September. In Egypt they were way less and the control of Nasser, Basad and Mubarak were stronger and didn't allow them to have milities there.
Longjumping-Jello459@reddit
Jordan did offer citizenship with the condition that any Palestinian that accepted it gave up their right to return. Additionally it was done in part because Jordan tried to annex the West Bank after the Arab-Israeli War in 1948-9.
Yes, the various host countries didn't give/offer citizenship as a way try to pressure Israel into following international law to allow people to return to their homes, but clearly Israel has refused and has said that allowing Palestinian refugees back is a non-starter in peace negotiations.
MrKarim@reddit
Would ask yourself would welcome the entire country of Mexico?
718Brooklyn@reddit
Mexico has 130,000,000 people. Gaza has about 2,000,000.
I genuinely think if Russia was genociding Montreal for instance, the US would take the refugees.
Aussiepharoah@reddit
Can't speak for Jordan, but in Egypt it's definitely just a Government issue, Sympathy for Palastine might as well be the coldest take in all of Egypt.
reebellious@reddit
I live in the Middle East and I have never met Arabs who don’t like or don’t feel the Palestinian plight.
HumaDracobane@reddit
Plighting the situation and inviting them into your country are teo totally different things.
reebellious@reddit
But why should Palestinians leave Palestine?
HumaDracobane@reddit
Because of the oldest trick in the book and the one which has been driving Mankind and nature from the begining: Because the ones with the longest stick rules and the ones with the short one bow. It is not a moral or ethical thing but it is what they have.
The british set Israel there because it was their ancient location (I dont judge who had more right to be there, it was the logic they followed) and as soon as they made their estate, literally the next day, they were attacked by their neighbors. Israel won. That was what initiated the entire ordeal and why so many palestinians moved to other countries.
Sloppykrab@reddit
No because that contradicts their viewpoint.
Ala117@reddit
That we're not vile bigots like you.
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
What did that mean?
Ala117@reddit
the viewpoint this guy says is being contradicted.
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
About what?
Sloppykrab@reddit
They can't blame Israel for everything happening.
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
Actually it was Israel as Israel just pushing Palestinian into Jordan and Lebanon that just barely time since they was independent and get overwhelmed so is it Israel fault, if Israel didn't bust committing Nakba, Lebanon and Jordan wouldn't be in mess and Palestinian would be in condition in desperate and misery that make radicacation spread like wildfire
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
Because Egypt and Jordan is currently controlled by one who being bootlicker?
cmonnomorework@reddit
Do you ever stop to ask why you cheered on the 10/7 genocidal invasion and mass rape? Isn't it great seeing those genocidal hamas freaks get mowed down by the idf every day? Smile!
ImaginarySeries1402@reddit
I have found multiple sources but none in English/ or with English subs. Unfortunately most coverage of the region is very biased with Hamas bad so everything else is good.
I’ll try my best to explain it in English and will include some of the sources in Arabic.
Dughmush family is aligned with Fateh, so when Hamas won in 2007, they weren’t very happy. The most important person in the discussion is called Mumtaz Dughmush he is jack of all trades, he worked directly with Fateh under Dahlans leadership ( Israeli agent currently residing in UAE and is involved in the current Gaza plan- he will be reintroduced to Gaza in the near future) then he flipped on Fateh and killed their leader to show loyalty to Hamas, Hamas didn’t trust him, they felt he was onto something, then under the claim that he was a Hamas member he kidnapped a group of international journalists. Placing Hamas in the line of fire, which seemed like an intentional calculated act, when hamas disapproved of his actions he turned on them and killed 11 Hamas members. Clashes between the two groups have been ongoing since 2007. They are Israel/ Fatehs arm in Gaza. They try to undermine Hamases authority in every way possible. Also they are very rich and very resourceful. Before the current war they and their other arm in Egypt controlled the Rafah crossing.
Btw Mumtaz also started an ISIS inspired group at some point and he joined Al Qaeda at another. He was also a high ranking official in Fatehs intelligence services.
Good to note Dughmush family is a large family with roots extending to the entire region, more than 100 of them were killed by Israel in the last offensive most of which jad disowned this guy and his group.
Also this guy doesn’t work alone, other families have collaborated with this one for protection and exchange of resources and to undermine the power of Hamas. All of them are less than 10k combined but they are a loud very well financed minority.
Also Mumtaz is wanted by the USA for ties with Al Qaeda and terrorist attacks in Sini.
Israel has armed them and has tried to give them control over Gaza but the Gazans disapprove of them due to the drugs and trafficking and aid stealing and killing and everything else this family is associated with, so they have to be gives power with force.
https://www.elwatannews.com/news/details/668391#google_vignette
https://www.amad.com.ps/ar/post/536225
Blizarkiy@reddit
Can you tell me more about the families/factions in Gaza? I realized that I have little to know knowledge about the competing goals and viewpoints of all the different groups.
ImaginarySeries1402@reddit
The factions situation in Gaza isn’t overly complicated. Most Gazans are normal ordinary day people. A very small minority realized they could get rich by collaborating with Israel so they take up all different forms. One year they commit an attack against the Palestinians on behalf of Israel in the name of Al Qaeda next it’s ISIS next it’s a new name like Muslim forces and so on. That’s why you will see many names as if it’s multiple factions but it’s the same people with different labels depending on what’s trending.
Also; Gaza has many political groups (like any ordinary state) they have communists الجبهة الشعبية they have -militants turned pacifists- (فتح) they have liberationists they have conservatives. It’s like any ordinary place and they aren’t fighting against each other. But Israel tries to make it happen by giving them weapons (or easing the transfer of weapons to them) and using the above mentioned minority group to commit violence against one and pin it on one of the other parties.
In the past things would take a wild turn with Israel sending weapons to both ends to ensure they both take each other out but Hamas decided to end the cycle of violence and they created a special branch of police who is responsible for limiting internal division and eliminating anyone who bares arms against Palestinians. When Israel felt it had failed it went back to conventional forms of aggression (air strikes and siege). (This is one of the reasons Al Qassam brigade and Sahem are popular in Gaza if you’ve seen videos of the elderly kissing their foreheads and so on. They eliminated internal division and stopped the bloodshed )
The above mentioned minority became isolated and became primarily responsible for human trafficking and drug smuggling they would clash with Hamas and ordinary day Gazans on Israels demand but they aren’t very popular in Gaza so Gazans themselves reject their presence.
If you have the time read on Dahlan in the UAE and Al al-Arjani group in Egypt they are the major players destabilizing Gaza on behalf of Israel.
skydiver_777@reddit
No. There's none
HumaDracobane@reddit
I dont know about this clan but reading about Gaza one decade ago it was divided in multiple clans and clashed were not uncommmon and also against Hamas. In the west we have the perception of Gaza being an area ruled by Hamas but the situationeas and is more complicated.
fruitsteak_mother@reddit
Bibi confirmed it himself https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyn2m9yk0vo
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-confirms-arming-gazan-clans-whats-wrong-with-that/
FriedRice2682@reddit
From the FT
You won't find much if you're looking trough google, but a lot if you're going searching with DuckDuckGo.
NorthernSkeptic@reddit
Thank you.
Mein_Bergkamp@reddit
Are you possibly implying that Hamas might not be 100% truthful?
On my /r/anime_titties ?
Off to r/worldnews with you hasbara bot.
BerDwi@reddit
In an attempt to be snarky, you gave away why you're here. You're supposed to hide your allegiance, Hasbro.
Mein_Bergkamp@reddit
Christ almighty, you probably think Mossad is the reason your father is so disappointed in you.
On the other hand taking something so obviously light-hearted and sparky seriously and trying to actually turn it into something about bots is something a bit would do....
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Or Ami just trying to get into your head?
Sigh, George Soros doesn't pay me enough for dealing with people like you.
BerDwi@reddit
Where did I mention bots again? Unforced error, leading to an additional self report?
You seem confused producing all that conspiracy drivel, maybe seek some help?
Mein_Bergkamp@reddit
One day you'll meet the Hasbara bot of your dreams. That day will be a beautiful day, you will feel powerful and meaningful, you will be the hero of a hundred up votes, envy of all your oddly geographically unspecific friends.
Today is not that day.
Today is the day you just look increasingly rather silly as you dig further and further into a hole entirely of your own making because you apparently cannot tell the difference between someone taking the piss and a global psy op.
BerDwi@reddit
Quit the projection, I really have no interest in getting insight into a disturbed mind that can't but constantly spill their own insecurities and vulnerabilities into the world. When I suggested getting help, I meant it.
Mein_Bergkamp@reddit
My dear boy/girl, this your fantasy.
Not to put too fine a point on it, you're the one who started it.
Now we can be serious if you want but that would entail you actually accepting you've seen a joke and decided it's actually Israel messing with your mind
BerDwi@reddit
Mein_Bergkamp@reddit
Then I'd recommend you never reread what you've been posting tonight ;)
BerDwi@reddit
Ok-Warning-7494@reddit
These guys don’t realize nobody buys their shit anymore.
badmanner66@reddit
So, is it okay to murder them? Just checking who the good guys are. It is easy to get confused
Mr-Anderson123@reddit
I will answer your question with another. Was it okay toe execute willing nazi collaborators after the war?
cmonnomorework@reddit
Welp isn't it great they're trying to replace hamas internally? I'm sure the hamas fanboys here won't like that though
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
Hamas in all of flaw, they are rarely if ever traitor compared to one who sold their people out for starvation and genocide done by Israel
cmonnomorework@reddit
Great, since we both hate genocide isn't it great the idf is taking out the genocidal hamas freaks? Like 200 dead today? Wow gotta up those numbers no?
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
Only genocide I see is IDF doing right now with 60k official and hundred thousand more potentially to be dead from injuries and starvation and even UN said that IDF is doing pattern that march upnas genocide
cmonnomorework@reddit
60k? holy shit thats low considering if the idf did what hamas did on 10/7 every 2 million would be dead.
Not sure what your problem is have you thanked the idf yet?
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
60k is official number, number could be higher as hundred of thousands and doesn't help when Gaza strip population is said been declined by 4% and also that funny time to reply for someone Irish as you are, I suppose that just your free time anyway
Why would I even thank IDF for making claim of stopping Hamas on alleged of genocide that Hamas doesn't even have capabilities to carry out anyway
cmonnomorework@reddit
So idf killed 2% of gaza, when 11% of Germans died during ww2 and hamas killed or raped 100% of everyone they saw on 10/7.
So have you given thanks to the idf for their mercy? Oh wait they busy eliminating another 200 hamas today isn't that great? Celebrate son!
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
You use whatsboutism and what 100%? Hamas only managed to killed barely 2k which is fraction of Israel population
You just being shill and also you seem post as 12 o clock pm which is even odd for Irish to post
cmonnomorework@reddit
Japanese only killed a few thousand during Pearl Harbor and the US killed millions of them. What a dumb argument hahaha.
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
And your point?
You just cheapened tragedy just for your sick mind, you just nothing but anti humanity who thinks it funny
cmonnomorework@reddit
Someones sad they messed around with the idf and now eating their shells for 2 years. What another 200 hamas dead today? You have a problem kid? Hahah
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
I am 22 year old and Israel just facing more isolation than before and what 200 you talking about? Where is the sources as it would be great
You just have problems to stuck in denial
cmonnomorework@reddit
Oh you mean how your pro hamas protests are dead in the vast majority of the world, israel arms and tech exports are exploding and the vast majority of reddit hates you hamas?
Sure congrats! 60k dead isn't a big price to you hamas I guess hahaha
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
Dead what dead as Italy general strike just shutdown Italy in week ago in number of million and we not doing for Hamas, we doing for Palestine and humanity and I don't see anyone hate me, you just making fantasy and also if arm and tech export are exploding then why did Bibi making speech of super Spartan
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/with-super-sparta-speech-netanyahu-snarls-a-tech-sector-already-entangled-by-war/amp/ https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy8rdd5dzvro
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
Dead what dead as Italy general strike just shutdown Italy in week ago in number of million and we not doing for Hamas, we doing for Palestine and humanity and I don't see anyone hate me, you just making fantasy and also if arm and tech export are exploding then why did Bibi making speech of super Spartan
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/with-super-sparta-speech-netanyahu-snarls-a-tech-sector-already-entangled-by-war/amp/
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cmonnomorework@reddit
Japanese only killed a few thousand during Pearl Harbor and the US killed millions of them. What a dumb argument hahaha. Only you hamas is dumb enough to think your terrorists deserve anything
Tankshock@reddit
Wait, so are we trying to stop the killing or just change who is getting killed?
Mr-Anderson123@reddit
This clashes is dismantling gangs that trafficked people and drugs and then took territories to control while supporting the IDF in their genocide. So yes, this is required and a form of justice
860v2@reddit
You just described what Hamas has been doing for decades.
Mr-Anderson123@reddit
Hamas hasn’t been involved in either drug trafficking nor human trafficking. I have researched them and I haven’t been able to find proof of it and they are an actual governing body unlike the gangs your country supports.
860v2@reddit
Human trafficking:
October 7th says otherwise.
Drugs:
Mr-Anderson123@reddit
Hamas has had an active policy of persecuting drug smuggling from its very inception due to ideological reasons, with the creation of departments and public punishments given for this type of action. The Abu Shabab gang that your country supports ironically has been the one doing all those crimes you are crying about. Not my problem you are pro crime and pro war.
And taking hostages (as vile as that act is) isn’t human trafficking you regard. It’s hostage taking, they aren’t selling them nor are they giving them to people for exploitation, they are being held in detention centers much like the thousands of Palestinian hostages your country is holding against their will including many children
860v2@reddit
The source above says otherwise.
False, what Hamas did is considered human trafficking.
Mr-Anderson123@reddit
Lmao, you don’t know what human trafficking is then.
Aristotelaras@reddit
bad bot
860v2@reddit
Notice how you did not say “wrong bot”.
Aristotelaras@reddit
How much is the pay to defend war criminals?
860v2@reddit
Not sure, I don’t defend Hamas.
bluecheese2040@reddit
You're arguing with a fool...you're making sensible points...they'll be ignored for sure though
anxious_cat_grandpa@reddit
The way you write sounds like Marvin the paranoid android from Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
Tankshock@reddit
I can totally hear it lmao, that's really funny.
silverpixie2435@reddit
After a lengthy trial and only the top most senior people.
How is Hamas rounding up people and shooting them in the streets the same as the Nuremberg trials?
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
After a trial and evidence, not with street executions.
You guys will not criticize Hamas for literally anything.
Mr-Anderson123@reddit
The gangs are controlling territory, Hamas is taking back territory before you can even think of rebuilding any judicial and administrative system.
And, a Palestinian military court has already sentenced to deaths members, supporters and leaders of gangs that have been supported by Israel like the Popular forces (mainly composed by the Abu Shabab gang)
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
Sounds like you're just making up excuses for Hamas' murders as you go along.
badmanner66@reddit
Answering a question with a question. A bit Jewish of you. Are you sure you're not one of them??
Mr-Anderson123@reddit
Ok, so you are either trolling or arguing in bad faith
badmanner66@reddit
I thought your analogy was idiotic. It's the best response I could muster, to meet your energy
bouguerean@reddit
I genuinely hope that wasn’t the best you could muster. Anyway, reporting for antisemitism.
badmanner66@reddit
I think you might be experiencing an identity crisis
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
We don't hate Jewish, even Jew is much anti Zionist as anyone else
Mr-Anderson123@reddit
Lmao, you are probably one of those genocide deniers. You aren’t worth your time. How about you sign up to the IDF and satiate your bloodlust in there.
Hesitation-Marx@reddit
What the fuck?
Szwejkowski@reddit
Troll be trolling.
12bEngie@reddit
Least obvious hasbara
dummypod@reddit
If your country isn't in ruins, not on the verge of another invasion, and your government isn't barely functioning and the institutions to carry out judiciary functions is still intact, then no, don't kill the collaborators without trial.
badmanner66@reddit
What country? What government? Please leave the thinking to others
phaedrus910@reddit
That's exactly their point dumbass
badmanner66@reddit
I did hear that reading comprehension in the USA was like 40%. The reason they are killing each other right now is the reason they never had a country. And still don't. And never will. Do you need me to print this out in big, colourful letters with illustrations, so you get it this time?
phaedrus910@reddit
Bro, look back, notice how their comment starts with IF, and then get back to me about reading comprehension.
bluecheese2040@reddit
So you failed to answer his question....way to fail
Mr-Anderson123@reddit
I answered his and faith question with another which showed the stupidity in his claim. Unless of course you are pro gangs, human trafficking, drug trafficking and genocide, then the destruction of the gangs supported by Israel is a necessity
bluecheese2040@reddit
You call someone stupid....then you say....
...showing yourself to be an utter clown
Mr-Anderson123@reddit
So you are pro gangs and pro Israeli, got it
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
In a genocide, collaboration with the ofrending occupiers, is a death penalty offense.
There is no worse traitor than a traitor that contributes to the genicide of their own people.
badmanner66@reddit
Your flair is quite appropriate.
I'm sure you too would be happy for the "Hamas judiciary" to decide whether or not you should be shot to death
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
If a nation invaded me, genocided my family, occupied my land and raped my friends, i wouldn't collaborate with them nor support their efforts.
If i did, then I would expect the consequences of my actions to reflect my crime.
In a perfect world, we wouldn't have the death penalty, we also wouldn't have a live streamed genocide though.
badmanner66@reddit
I think we have heard enough from you, Karen. Concentrate on issues in your immediate vicinity
shieeet@reddit
Completely disregarding everything else here, why 'Karen'? How does that term fit in here?
ImaginarySeries1402@reddit
Exactly 👍
badmanner66@reddit
Another Karen. Have you considered reading 50 shades of gray, instead of dabbling in geopolitical issues?
bearkin1@reddit
I do not understand why you are defending genocide collaborators.
gravity--falls@reddit
Speaking personally just resistant to death penalty. I'm not OK with it when it is used in systems even with extensive judicial processes, and there is understandably not very much reason to believe anything extensive is being done here.
If you're going to rationalize everything that a resistance group does you're going to rationalize a bunch of horrible shit even if that resistance group is ultimately fighting for something you think is good. I don't think it's good to tag these people I've never heard of before as evil people who deserved to die just because another group has claimed they collaborated with another group who is doing terrible shit.
why_i_bother@reddit
If only you were as resistant to actual genocide as you are resistant to using violence against genociders.
gravity--falls@reddit
Such a weird thing to say when my "resistance" here is a single comment saying that I generally am not ok with the death penalty. I'm a college student without boatloads of money who has donated money to palestinian support charities, that's more than I'm doing here.
KaiBahamut@reddit
You should look up the history of the Jewish 'Kapo's' to get a grasp for how big a deal this is.
dummypod@reddit
Such is life in America, what can we do?
cmonnomorework@reddit
Yep, hamas fanboys supporting their genocidal mass rapist overlords of course. Guess the idf will happily continue the war then!
hewlett777@reddit
found one
cmonnomorework@reddit
Found another crying hamas
Halfmoonhero@reddit
Found another “Irish” Reddit user.
hewlett777@reddit
I'm Irish, I doubt the fella I tagged above is.
Sloppykrab@reddit
The Irish do love terrorists though.
hewlett777@reddit
and you love the common wealth
Sloppykrab@reddit
Couldn't give two fucks about the commonwealth.
We're as independent as the ROI is.
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
And still see King Charlie III as head of state despite he also king of UK
Also you seem love terrorists, IDF
Sloppykrab@reddit
We have a thing called, if it's not broken don't fix it. He has no power here anyway. We are also just holding out Prince William.
Considering the IDF can't be terrorists, you might need to learn the definition.
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
Terrorist is one who committed terrorism for agenda purposes and any soldiers can be terrorist and that IDF and so is US soldiers in Iraq, soviet soldiers in Afghanistan, Nazi soldiers in WW2 and British soldiers in Ireland and also IRGC been declared as terrorists despite they are official military branches of Iran
Ala117@reddit
I don't think they love the idf and likud pal, you probably do.
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
Bruh even has an English origin name lol.
Hasbara be more obvious than ever
new_account_wh0_dis@reddit
Does there need to be one? I guess we can play 'Ive tallied up the crimes against humanity commited by x group and per capita for this time period this is the least deranged group'
ImaginarySeries1402@reddit
The Dughmush family were given Israeli weapons to eliminate the returning Gazans. Today they attacked first. Have you seen the victims ? One of them was kidnapped, hands tied then killed point blank with 7 bullets.
badmanner66@reddit
Were they meant to eliminate 'all' the returning Gazans? I think Israel underestimated how many of them were coming back!
cmonnomorework@reddit
Great, sounds like an inside faction is trying to unseat hamas, guess all the hamas fanboys are crying right now
KalaiProvenheim@reddit
I guess Hamas isn’t ISIS if allies of ISIS is seen by you as preferable
cmonnomorework@reddit
Shrug why are you hamas crying over a little civil war? Sad you can't genocide jews freely?
OkGuest3629@reddit
We only bave evidence of Doghmush fighting against Israel, not alongside Israel.
SaneForCocoaPuffs@reddit
Israel bombed jails in Iran and no one was freed. Bombing jails is as likely to kill the prisoners as it is to free them.
bluecheese2040@reddit
So they are anti hamas? Sounds like they are good guys in gaza then right?
KalaiProvenheim@reddit
ISIS, Al-Qaeda, and drug smugglers are the good guys?
SongFeisty8759@reddit
"Good guys" is kind of an oxymoron in most situations and more so in this region... Saying "they are all bad" , as well. Most are bad with some being far worse than others.
FormerLawfulness6@reddit
They're not anti-Hamas. They're a criminal gang that wants to eliminate any checks on their own operations. Their only problem with Hamas is the presence of anything remotely resembling a government or police force. They'll absolutely be murdering whatever peacekeeping force is brought in as well because these kinds of ntelligence collaborations are always just shooting ourselves in the foot for a short term advantage.
These gangs are aligned with ISIS and Al Queda, if your concern is with the risk to Europe, this is the worst possible move for you.
Israel collaborates with these groups because they want to maximize chaos, ensure that there will be no peace or stability in the aftermath, and hopefully hand power to a more international terrorist group so they can justify the next invasion.
KaiBahamut@reddit
Sure, if you prefer ISIS.
860v2@reddit
It looks like a ceasefire is finally holding and what do Palestinians do? They immediately start killing each other.
You couldn’t make this up if you tried. 😂
blurghh@reddit
Except these are the clans that are directly being armed, funded, and protected by the Israeli government, who specifically arm them knowing their violence BECAUSE they want an internal struggle
Israelies arming, funding, and protecting known terror clans with histories of human trafficking and murder, instructing them to kill Palestinians who do not collaborate, and then talking about “tHe PaLeSTiNiAnS JuSt kEEp FiGHtInG” is rich and typical
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/11/18/gaza-looting-aid-convoys-israel-famine/
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-hamas-war-netanyahu-arming-gangs-gaza-clans-activated/
860v2@reddit
Most of what you just wrote is false. But anything to blame Israel for everything, I guess.
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
Bibi admit they armed Israel even Time of Israel confirmes this
860v2@reddit
No one forced Palestinians to kill each other. You’re just upset because you lost.
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
Sounds like you're upset that Israel just exposed themselves by committing a heinous act that they had denied for a long they denied, and some Israelis, like Bibi's close allies in government, are unhappy that they didn't get what they wanted
Also, Israel forced Palestinians to kill each other, as they armed some gangsters, and what is lost if Hamas quickly regains control, despite Israel's claim that they destroyed much of Hamas' capabilities? Israel's media just lost their mind over that?
also here is the time of Israel provide this and try deny this mean you deny Israel as well
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-providing-guns-to-gaza-jihadist-gang-to-bolster-opposition-to-hamas/
860v2@reddit
Who shot the 27 Palestinians? Simple question.
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
Israel who just using proxy so it still Israel, you just use whatsboutism which is so pathetic
ImaginarySeries1402@reddit
Israelis were crying about potential sexual abuse against the hostages, but once the hostages were freed with no signs of abuse Israelis proceeded to rape them .
You couldn’t make this up if you tried
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/freed-israeli-hostage-mia-schem-says-she-was-drugged-raped-by-fitness-influencer-8337962/amp/1
860v2@reddit
You just made that up. Not a good look.
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
I can't expect well from someone who was Israeli, I mean not all Israelis but many of Israelis would rather to deny even in increasing clear evidence isn't hold up as they expect to
860v2@reddit
Are you malfunctioning? This isn’t English.
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
It means you, as Israelis, just deny any of the crimes that the IDF commits or also deny that the IDF or Israel told lies like they did to the journalists they murdered and sometime just nitpicking without looking at full picture
get it?
860v2@reddit
Self defense isn’t a crime. That’s where you’re confused.
None of this would be happening if Palestinians weren’t terrorists.
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
So you call all Palestinian terrorists?
very predictable from Israelis
Even IDF on leave did admit that half of "Militant" they killed are Civilains
860v2@reddit
Who elected Hamas (a designated terrorist organization)?
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
That was 2007 which half of Gazan today wasn't even old enough to vote them back then, you still wanted to blame on Palestinian no matter what, you just most predictable even for Israel standard that blind person can see you on other side of world
Hesitation-Marx@reddit
That poor woman.
FrostiBoi78@reddit
Those clans are funded by Israel for the sake of divide and conquer. Some of them are associated with ISIS and Al-Quaeda. It's the Israelis that should be ashamed of this. I'll also add that Israel continued to bomb Gaza after agreeing to the ceasefire, so please stop with this bullshit narrative that the Israelis want peace but the palestinians just can't be reasoned with. Nobody believes that shit anymore, the whole world is now very well aware that Israel is the problem.
860v2@reddit
Sounds like you’re upset that the narrative you’ve spent years spamming is actively being disproven.
They cant even be peaceful with each other.
FrostiBoi78@reddit
I don't know what leads you to believe that I don't think there is factionalism in Palestine, that's something that exists in every country.
The difference is that many of the worst palestinian factions are supported by Israel to ensure not only that the country remains weak and divided, but also to deligitamise the prospect of a palestinian state, what you are displaying here is the precise concensus that Israel seeks to achieve from these operations, you're being a good dog for them by spreading it online.
Those terrorist and criminal clans were behind bars before Israel bombed the prison with the intention of freeing them. They then proceeded to arm them, Netanyahu has admitted this. They are Israeli proxies there with the intention of making the city even less liveable, and you use this as evidence that the Palestinians are averse to peace, not the people who funded them, not the people who were committing genocide, not the people who continued killing after the ceasefire, not the people who are still ethnically cleansing the west bank.
Genuine question: How does it feel belonging to a nationality that no one likes?
860v2@reddit
Unfortunately for you, this has never worked. You'll either have to come up with something new or admit that you were lying.
FrostiBoi78@reddit
Israel freed those criminal groups and armed them. Go on, do your little mental gymnastics show and explain to me how Israel isn't responsible for this. I'll wait.
860v2@reddit
Who killed 27 Palestinians? Simple question.
FrostiBoi78@reddit
Neither side in this fight killed 27. 19 Dugmesh and 8 Hamas were killed. The whole reason why the fight occurred in the first place is because Israel freed that gang and armed them.
Similiarly, if someone broke a lion out of its zoo enclosure and it mauled a bunch of people to death, I think he'd be liable for the Lion's actions, wouldn't you? Especially if the mauling was precisely the effect the person was looking for. Now do another mental cartwheel.
860v2@reddit
So Palestinians killed them. Thanks for confirming.
FrostiBoi78@reddit
So I'll have your word that if I were to release a pack of wolves into your house then you wouldn't press charges against me. It's totally irrelevant that I gathered them, transported them to your home and released them with the hopes that they'd mess up your house and kill you. No, clearly it's no ones fault but you and the wolves as to why this fight occurred.
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
Israel-backed gangs
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-providing-guns-to-gaza-jihadist-gang-to-bolster-opposition-to-hamas/
860v2@reddit
Gangs made up of who?
IOnlyFearOFGod@reddit
What is clan members? are they having internal divison and strife?
Zeydon@reddit
No internal division - there have been ISIS affiliated terror groups supported by Israel who have been stealing aid and murdering Palestinians.
Rulweylan@reddit (OP)
Also Iran affiliated terror groups who have been stealing aid and murdering Palestinians. Hamas, PIJ etc.
The minute murdering Jews isn't an option, we're back to the shia-backed terrorists murdering the sunni-backed terrorists.
Syrairc@reddit
ftfy
PreviousCurrentThing@reddit
Get over your victim complex.
ImaginarySeries1402@reddit
Shia what ? 😂😂😂 pick up a history book or a dictionary or even run this by ChatGPT. Cant get stupidest than this.
Hesitation-Marx@reddit
Don’t challenge them.
blurghh@reddit
Except despite every allegation by Israel, there was ZERO proof of Hamas ever stealing aid, and every single aid organization that faced violent aid-thefts reported it as being done by these armed clans under protection of the IDF
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hamas-aid-theft-no-evidence-analysis-1.7594805
As far as one year ago it was clear the aid thefts were being committed by these ISIS groups under Israeli backing, and we got confirmation this year that the Israeli soldiers were indeed shooting palestinians trying to stop the looters
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/11/18/gaza-looting-aid-convoys-israel-famine/
Mr-Anderson123@reddit
Huh, you are pro Israeli? In this day and age? Lmao
HumaDracobane@reddit
Gaza had been divided into clans/families for centuries, with clashes, etc. With Arafat and the OLP the situation was more or less stabilized and then Gaza's elections were won (?) By Hamas and the OLP in Cisjordan. Hamas had certain level of control of Gaza but those clans had been always there, and some of them opposed Hamas. Now that Israel is out, or looks like, the business come again as usual.
ImaginarySeries1402@reddit
No its a group that has forever worked with Israel and has benefited from the occupation. They are affiliated with other clans in Sini desert, they’d charge 10k to smuggle people out of Gaza -used to charge 3k before the war- Hamas arrested a bunch of them because human trafficking is illegal in Gaza so they took up arms against Hamas. They carry Israeli weapons and have full Israeli are coverage.
Firecracker048@reddit
Hamas trying to set up a base on the grounds of a hospital? That's not the onion level stuff here
12bEngie@reddit
The ISIS guys said it bro it must be true!!
Firecracker048@reddit
Just as believable as Hamas is.
Aka neither are trustworthy st all. But we have a history of Hamas using hospitals so it's at least got that weight behind it
12bEngie@reddit
alleged. nothing substantiated beyond the words of israel and america. israel were the ones who originally constructed the bunkers lmfao
isis are an international terror syndicate like al qaeda, seeking to establish a caliphate of their own flavor. they are not pan arab, they routinely attack and murder other muslims. hamas is a regional group with no such intentions of a caliphate. even groups like the taliban are opposed to isis
Rulweylan@reddit (OP)
Also amnesty international who documented Hamas using hospital buildings to torture Palestinians in 2014
snarfy666@reddit
You mean besides the minimum of 3 hamas leaders killed in or under hospitals.
Are you deliberately lying or just completely uninformed on a subject you care so much about?
12bEngie@reddit
One would imagine members of hamas would invariably be in the large amount of hospitals which israel indiscriminately bombs..
snarfy666@reddit
So you are backtracking and admitting that hamas uses hospitals for military purposes?
12bEngie@reddit
Nope, just that they were in a hospital 😆
snarfy666@reddit
So lying, got it.
12bEngie@reddit
That’s like “targeting antifa” by bombing every city in america and saying “see, we got some!”
snarfy666@reddit
So we are in the attack stage of darvo.
Firecracker048@reddit
Having your commander killed under a hospital is verifiable proof of using it. Also the Al Saifia was verifiably used by Hamas. Nothing alleged there.
Uhh no. They put a basement there that was then used. Also Amnesty International even said they used it as far back as 2015.https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/05/gaza-palestinians-tortured-summarily-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/
Here's US Intel determining it as well:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/us/politics/gaza-hospital-hamas.html
Just y'all gotta stop with the excuses for Hamas at every turn. It's like admitting they do bad or evil things physically hurts some of you
12bEngie@reddit
The commander killed under the hospital.. according to.. Israel! And america! Even though nobody corroborates it and independent investigation isn’t allowed.. trust them!
How does having used a random room to torture people make it a head of operations 8 years later?
It also clearly says outpatient clinic. That wouldn’t be in a subterranean bunker. I also, again, fail to see why they’d make it a headquarters. By that logic, any place they tortured someone could just become their HQ. If anything you’d want to do that removed from your main spot.
Hamas is fucked up but they’re not anymore fucked yo than any seditious revolutionary group from across human history. They’re a byproduct of the settler state.
Firecracker048@reddit
Yeah huh, Hamas admitting he was killed is according to Israel sure
Just keep burying your head please.
12bEngie@reddit
Oh, i’ll be damned, they did confirm it in august.
“Sinwar was reportedly in an underground command center with other senior Hamas commanders to discuss a potential ceasefire when the strike occurred.”
Lol
Firecracker048@reddit
Yeah they literally admitted it. They waited, of course, but they confirmed it. They tried to get it buried in the news cycle
12bEngie@reddit
Still doesn’t really bode well for the 12 odd other times israel has bombed hospitals with the khamas excuse. Broken clock is still gonna be right twice a day lol
Tankshock@reddit
A broken clock should be never be right in this scenario, is it thing for countries to use hospitals as command centers? This clock should be missing an arm and wrong 24 hours a day!
Firecracker048@reddit
You should never be correct that a hospital houses military assets. The fact it has, at least twice, is a massive problem. You should never ever give a military a reason to side eye shit like schools and hospitals. There's a reason that's a war crime
12bEngie@reddit
Yeah.. they weren’t right, 12 other times. They got lucky with indiscriminate bombing to find men meeting there. No stockpile or anything
Firecracker048@reddit
Right. Considering the combat footage sub has actual combat footage of them fighting Hamas in a few of these hospitals, means it never happened. Okay
12bEngie@reddit
Fighting in an abandoned hospital is not the same as bombing an active one 😆 Huh
Firecracker048@reddit
Head, meet sand
12bEngie@reddit
Zio, meet.. well, you know.
FrostiBoi78@reddit
The dispute isn't over the fact that he was killed, it's over where he was killed. Israeli reports of him being under a hospital are uncoroborated. Also, from the video the Israelis took of the room he was supposedly in, you can see that it was left almost completely untouched by the bombing, which raises the question of how he could've died at all.
your_red_triangle@reddit
pure Hasbara propaganda bullshit. there's ZERO evidence of any Khamas command center under any hospital.
Beatboxingg@reddit
Youre making excuses for zionazis
Killeroftanks@reddit
wut, only once have we seen hamas use hospitals in this war, and that was actually between different buildings, just that one of the buildings connected was a hospital, this also has to be put against the dozen or so times israel have stated hamas was using a hospital, then caught blatantly lying about it.
other than that the latest evidence of hamas using bunkers, is from 2013.... so ya not really something you can rely on.
naktakalah@reddit
As always you can't find a truthful source of information around Gaza.
12bEngie@reddit
Well, one source is ISIS affiliated. So, there is that.
Culture-Careful@reddit
which one of them is that?
brydeswhale@reddit
The Dugmush family is known to associate with ISIL.
FudgeAtron@reddit
No that was al-Shabab in Rafah, this Doghmush they're completely different families.
Culture-Careful@reddit
from what I read on Wikipedia, they did associate with Al-Qaida, but not ISIS. Wiki might be wrong, but idk.
brydeswhale@reddit
No, I probably am mistaken. Thank you for the correction.
Own_Thing_4364@reddit
Not possible, you and the rest of the brain trust are the experts on this.
naktakalah@reddit
Both have ties with some Islamic terrorist state. Is either Iran or ISIS.
bouguerean@reddit
Yeah, I'd definitely say ties with ISIS is far worse than ties with Iran.
naktakalah@reddit
So you believe something based on your own personal opinion? That's not good.
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
Iran only conceded of geopolitical and interest and brotherhood of common interests as any of counties and at least being pragmatic
Isis is just ten time worse than Iran with zero pragmatic and 100% interest
bouguerean@reddit
Yeah it’s not personal opinion, it’s just that one of those is a religious extremist terrorist organization that’s been an international hazard for years now.
I honestly don’t understand why you’re trying to legitimize ISIS here.
cmonnomorework@reddit
Great, let them fight and kill each other while the idf continues to eliminate hamas. Win win!
Lazy_Membership1849@reddit
And you know Israel can't tell different of Hamas and Palestinian so they just kill any of Palestinian they see.
With all resources as they even kill HZ leader, Iranian generals and Houthis PM and they can't even find commander of Hamas for almost year and just bomb everything
Decent_Cheesecake_29@reddit
You mean the one that is the Israeli backed terrorist group?
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
Israel regulary bought ISIS oil. ISIS is widely regarded in the region as a destabilizing force that was propt up and covertly funded by Israel, the USA, Turkey and the Gulf nations.
12bEngie@reddit
Doubly why ISIS would lie to make Hamas look worse
Puzzleheaded_Gas8282@reddit
y'all on drugs... youre talking bout groups of muslims who just can never be at peace. Neither group Is associated with Isreal - just yet another two groups of f muslims fighting. the men cant stop fighting, its not in their blood and the sooner you realise this, the easier it is for you to understand wars in Middle East. Even if Israel had dropped 3x 500lbs on Gaza, destroyed everything... these muslim men come out the woodwork somehow (most living good lives in rich countries) and come out to fight... best to just leave them to fight. Leave your forgein aid for an area of the world more deserving
YamPsychological9577@reddit
Bow is Palestinian vs Palestinian and somehow it's Israel fault....
ExArdEllyOh@reddit
I suppose we now know why the brave resistance-rapists of Hamas finally agreed to a ceasefire. They had internal dissent that they needed to focus on and getting malleted by the IDF every time they showed themselves made that tricky.
Presumably once they've purged all the opposition and re-established control over Gaza they will go back to their core business of trying exterminate the Jews.
TheGhostofBaybars@reddit
Theyre fighting against ISIS linked gangs who murdered people and stole aid to resell it for profit.
You framing it as "internal dissent" is wildly ignorant
No-Contribution-6150@reddit
Is ISIS still active in the region? Active enough to warrant a mention in this instance?
TheGhostofBaybars@reddit
Theyre operating like a mafia now. No fixed presence or combat capable units. They extort, kidnap, ransom and traffick illicit substances. And then they go and do a terror attack once in a while. In Gaza, israel hired some ISIS linked gangs and offered them protection to confront HMS.
flossdaily@reddit
When are Palestinians going to take responsibility for their own actions?
Ala117@reddit
When will israel?
Leshawkcomics@reddit
They’re there, aren’t they?
No-Contribution-6150@reddit
My understanding is they aren't. They're more active in Africa
VizzzyT@reddit
Israel has been arming Isis linked gangs in Gaza to fight Hamas and attack aid. This was a huge news story.
12bEngie@reddit
WHAT? Dude, they’ve been fucking about in new syria too
b-b-b-b-@reddit
womp womp
TraditionalGap1@reddit
I'd say a link to ISIS is probably germane to the discussion. Don't you?
Tiny_Yam2881@reddit
from the article, "At least 27 people have been killed in fierce clashes between Hamas security forces and armed members of the Dughmush family in Gaza City, in one of the most violent internal confrontations since the end of major Israeli operations in the enclave."
Apparantly the Dughmush family and Hamas have had a history of conflict, with both sides claiming they've killed each other before. Some Dughmush family members have associated with Hamas, some with Al-Qaeda, and some of them created their own group called Jaysh Al-Islam in 2006, which is an Islamic State offshoot.
checks out to me, at least. I'm not an expert though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaysh_al-Islam
DorimeAmeno12@reddit
Not isis itself
But the gang hamas is fighting against are affiliated with them
They stole from aid convoys and have supposedly been funded by Israel
860v2@reddit
You just described Hamas.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
... right, fighting ISIS linked gangs
860v2@reddit
False, Hamas stole food and killed Palestinians.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
What do you mean, 'false'?
The article is about Hamas fighting ISIS linked gangs.
The post you reply to describes Hamas as fighting ISIS linked gangs.
That isn't how the word 'false' works.
860v2@reddit
Hamas did what they described above. You’re claiming otherwise.
That’s false.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
No, I am not claiming otherwise. In fact, I'm not making a claim about Hamas at all. You said 'You just described Hamas.' Which, true, they did. And while they did, they also described Hamas as, and I'm quoting here, 'fighting against ISIS linked gangs'. The word you are actually looking for is 'true'.
I get that you were trying to set up to make a different point but the fact that my response doesn't play along doesn't make it any less true and accurate.
Decent_Cheesecake_29@reddit
Don’t forget that the ISIS terrorist gangs also are being backed by Israel.
Dorrbrook@reddit
Meanwhile The Jews'tm will continue to self-determine themselves in Palestinian prisoner's rectums with rifle barrels and cattle prods.
mrpressydepress@reddit
And what hole did you crawl out of?
Ropetrick6@reddit
Why do you support terrorists?
00owl@reddit
Hamas killing Palestinians in order to take control of a hospital to be used as a command center.
Why would Israel do this?
Decent_Cheesecake_29@reddit
You mean the Israeli backed ISIS affiliated terrorist group?
flossdaily@reddit
Didn't you guys already accused Israel of backing Hamas?
Why are you so dedicated to blaming Israel for every bad thing Palestinians do?
Decent_Cheesecake_29@reddit
Why are you so dedicated to trying to absolve Israel of responsibility for the things it has done?
bluecheese2040@reddit
Hamas desperately trying to re-establish control. Hamas and its band of terrorist chums poked Israel knowing 100% what would happen....I'm not excusing Israel but hamas should be hunted down in the way we did with isis.
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